By Doug “Uncola” Lynn via TheBurningPlatform.com
As I’ve written of before, I’m part of a group of men that meet for breakfast on some weekends as a result of our shared involvement in a community organization. A few weeks ago, I dined with two of the men who seemed genuinely excited about the upcoming Blue Wave they believe will occur in the November midterm elections.
One of the men, a business owner self-identifying as a Republican, said that after much thought and analysis, Hillary Clinton would have made a better president than Donald Trump. The other man, who is a physician, is by any definition a rainbow-flag waving Cultural Marxist.
When I explained to them my perspectives, they said I needed to “quit watching the lies on Fox News”. At one point during our conversation, the RINO (Republican in Name Only) said the Deep State did not exist. When I asked if he would acknowledge the influence of unelected government officials throughout the “swamp”, he simply stated again “there was no Deep State”.
And so began conversations that extended over the next several days.
When I told them “it wasn’t just Fox News” and texted them both links to books documenting the corruption of the Clintons and the existence of the Deep State – the RINO said he would read none of it.
I replied with: “Most people don’t want to know, and that’s why a Blue Wave is possible”.
At this point, the conversation bifurcated into separate exchanges: One with the RINO and the other with the Doctor.
For me, it was just another couple of online shitfests. Yawn.
The RINO
I began by showing how the phony Russian investigation was utilized to undermine Candidate Trump and later to subvert the constitutionally elected president. At the same time, I addressed the apparent collusion between the shadow state and the handful of corporations which I called Mainstream Media.
I also addressed the Uranium One scandal as well as the inappropriateness of Rod Rosenstein, Robert Mueller, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, and others in the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Justice (DoJ) investigating Donald Trump.
My RINO friend, in turn, brought up how Ukraine gave both Paul Manafort (former Trump Campaign Chair) and the Podesta brothers (Democratic Party Lobbyist + Hillary Clinton Campaign Chair) money as a way to “hedge their bets across the board”.
In response, I pointed out that only those with ties to Trump were being prosecuted and how Manafort’s indictments, and trial, had provided “great media cover” for the April 2018 congressional criminal referrals of James Comey, Hillary Clinton, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, and Lisa Page.
As we continued our conversation by texting, I was surprised when my RINO friend, out of apparent respect for me, said he ordered Jerome R. Corsi’s book “Killing the Deep State”. I told him I’d not read that book but, for the record, I considered Trump as the manifestation of one of the following three possibilities:
A.) The Real Thing
B.) Serving the agenda of the global financial elite unwittingly
C.) Controlled opposition as a Judas Goat or Trojan Horse
If B or C, he was installed to bleed the remaining air out of the brake-lines before America’s “big stop”. If A, then Trump was truly at war against the Financial-Military Industrial Complex.
The RINO said it could actually be “D”, that Trump was an “incompetent boob”, and added that it wasn’t logical for the Deep State, even if it existed, to have allowed both the U.S. house and senate to go “red” – because, if everything I said was true, then – didn’t that prove the Deep State didn’t exist?
He said: “Logic, Dude. Logic”.
As a continuation of our previous conversations, where I claimed Trump may have been installed as a modern day Herbert Hoover, I asked my friend, the RINO: “Why Hillary? What has she done, ever, except stand by her man, the only president in modern times to have been impeached for lying under oath. Why rig the primaries for Hillary and not Bernie?”
“Logic.” I said: “Logic”.
The RINO then said “if the federal government was that powerful, the people would revolt”.
I responded that I believed fractional reserve banking had centralized financial power via a small of group of titans operating out of the International Bank of Settlements and that the Captive Corporate Media prohibited any revolt via misinformation and by the hypnotic power of suggestion. Toward that end, I also referenced the authors Carroll Quigley and Edward Bernays:
In time the (the “Order”) brought into their financial network the provincial banking centers, organized as commercial banks and savings banks, as well as insurance companies, to form all of these into a single financial system on an international scale which manipulated the quantity and flow of money so that they were able to influence, if not control, governments on one side and industries on the other.
Quigley, Carroll. “Tragedy and Hope: The History of the World in Our Time”
...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.
Bernays, Edward. “Propaganda”
My RINO friend said he might believe me “if people couldn’t publish freely on the internet, but that Trump’s election proved the Deep State was not in control”. He said four of the current top ten New York Times best sellers were written by conservatives and that there was no (First Amendment) “suppression in the United States, the banning of Alex Jones notwithstanding”.
I claimed the “free internet” had been under assault since Trump’s election and that “fake news” was the excuse for censorship which was launched with the “PropOrNot” Washington Post article on Thanksgiving Day 2016. I furthermore sent him links showing how Facebook has suppressed 93% of traffic to conservative websites since Trump’s win, Twitter’s shadow-banning, et al.
He, in turn, said these were “companies” and “not the government”.
I said, even so, companies like Facebook and The Washington Post were CIA assets – and that, in the end, “real suppression was taking place that could in fact change the outcome of the 2018 Midterm Elections”.
He claimed that corporate censorship “has been going on forever”, but the “Republicans are now in control of government, the economy was soaring, unemployment is at an all-time low, and that I was I going “off the rails” with my Orwellian conspiracy theories.
I expressed my concerns over rising deficits, and the existing debt, and asked why rates have been raised on Trump seven times, but never under Obama. I also pointed out how Democratic National Committee (DNC) chairman, Tom Perez, recently anointed the Socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez the “future of the Democratic Party” as well as Cortez’s recent statement that “capitalism will not always exist”.
It wasn’t me “going off the rails”, after all. So good luck with that large Blue Wave.
Soon after that particular weekend textfest, so began another conversation after Trump’s former campaign chair, Paul Manafort, was found guilty of “five counts of tax fraud, one count of failure to file a report of foreign bank and financial accounts and two counts of bank fraud”.
This time, our text exchange lined-up as the RINO’s Trump guilt by association via Manafort, Stormy Daniels, and Michael Cohen, versus my documented claims of FISA Abuse and Spygate; whereby I excoriated Mueller’s unlimited mandate to seek out crimes in spite of Statute 28 CFR 600 (grounds for appointed a special counsel) that required a crime to have taken place first; how Rosenstein, Mueller, and Comey all colluded to transition a counter-intelligence investigation into Russian collusion, then obstruction, and then into Cohen’s taxi medallion escapades and the financial crimes by Manafort – even as Tony Podesta was yet to see the inside of a court room.
When the RINO questioned my “emotional stability”, I responded thusly:
All is well, in spite of the ongoing soft coup against a sitting president framed by a fabricated Russian dossier, and perpetrated by the most shameless and corrupt officials ever to have sullied the highest government offices of this once great nation; and the subsequent cover-up by the Corporate Mainstream Media.
Obviously, no minds were changed.
The Doctor
As mentioned before, I was also texting with the Doctor as I engaged the RINO in the above exchanges.
The first link the Doctor sent me was a FactCheck.org article that was, of course, at the very tip-top of the Google search results for “Uranium One”.
In response, I pointed out the following two “Big Buts” from the so-called “fact check” article:
But there is no evidence that the donations or the [Bill Clinton] speaking fee had any influence on the approvals granted by the NRC or the Committee on Foreign Investments…
And,
But, as we’ve written before, there is no evidence that donations to the Clinton Foundation from people with ties to Uranium One or Bill Clinton’s speaking fee influenced Hillary Clinton’s official actions.
I showed that Attorney General Eric Holder was on the “Committee on Foreign Investment” at the time the Uranium One deal was approved and, furthermore, provided link-attribution for the following facts:
The investigation was ultimately supervised by then-U.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein, an Obama appointee who now serves as President Trump’s deputy attorney general, and then-Assistant FBI Director Andrew McCabe, now the deputy FBI director under Trump, Justice Department documents show.
“Who really demonstrated collusion with the Russians?” I asked. “And given that Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI then, why are he and Rosenstein allowed to investigate Trump when Trump’s pick for Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, had to recuse himself from the Russian investigation?”
“What the hell is up with that?” I wondered.
The Doctor then argued that Peter Schweizer, the author of “Clinton Cash” was a friend of Steve Bannon and that the book was “full of accusations, but short on facts”. He also said the Republicans were “waist deep in any corruption too”.
I responded by agreeing that Republicans like John McCain and Lindsey Graham were corrupt “neoconic warmongers” just like the Doctor’s hero, Hillary. Fuck them.
To which he replied that he “wanted facts, not conspiracy theories”.
I said it was a fact that Hillary Clinton broke laws, but that now it was the people surrounding Trump who were being prosecuted, that a “two-tiered legal system” meant that America had become a lawless nation, and yet the Political Left cared more for bathroom rights. “Even Obama was against that before he was for it”, I said.
The Doctor said there was “no law against using a private server” and the only ones who cared about “bathroom rights” were “paranoid conservatives who want to frighten and divide people”.
I said: “Even so, engaging in identity politics and advocating for bathroom rights are cases of “misplaced priorities, wouldn’t you agree?”
In response, he said I shouldn’t be so obsessed with Hillary, because she lost. He sent me an NPR link on Trump’s “Money Laundering” and argued that I should, instead, focus on the following:
…a U.S. President who is controlled by the Russian government because they have been using him [Trump] for 30 years to launder dirty money for the Russian mob…
I responded by saying: “I thought you only wanted to discuss “facts” and not conspiracy theories?”
Additionally, I cited the facts showing the only “collusion” that took place was FISA Abuse and Spygate – and that FBI texts pointed to Obama’s knowledge of operation “Crossfire Hurricane”: Which was nothing less than a sitting president spying on a presidential candidate. Moreover, I added that the Russian investigation was designed to “cover the tracks” of the guilty parties; “a fact that fair-minded liberals would acknowledge”; especially if it were Bush the Younger who spied on Obama.
The Doctor said the facts didn’t support any of my conclusions.
In return, I said those were “the ONLY facts” in the Russia investigation and told him to read the Inspector General’s report; and that he was “dreaming of money laundering schemes” while I was quoting actual occurrences from the public record.
“Why was FBI agent Peter Strzok fired, if there was no evidence?” I asked, before adding: “You and Robert Mueller are the only ones who don’t have evidence, my friend”.
“The FISA warrant was for Carter Page, not Trump”, said the Doctor.
“Right around the time they thought Trump could win”, said I. “Why is Carter Page still a free man?”
“The OIG (Office of Inspector General) report does not support or conclude that Obama spied on Trump”, said the Doctor.
I replied in kind: “The OIG report delineated the cover-up of Hillary Clinton’s e-mails, but FISA Abuse and Spygate are still being investigated”; and that “those crimes were bigger than Watergate”, yet all the Doctor’s concerns were for Paul Manafort’s financial improprieties that had nothing to do with any alleged Russian collusion by Trump.
Then we descended into a debate over former FBI agent Peter Strzok’s changing of Hillary’s “gross negligence” (i.e. a crime) to “extremely careless”, the phony Russian dossier, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Rosenstein’s redactions and stalling, etc., before the Doctor wrongly stated that Comey changed the “gross negligence” language along with this little gem:
The Russian dossier has actually been proven true for the most part, not bogus.
I, in turn, provided documentation showing that it was, indeed, Peter Strzok who changed the language in order to exonerate Hillary prior to the election. I also described the collusion behind the creation of the bogus Russian dossier.
The Doctor then said the OIG report found no evidence that Strzok’s political beliefs affected his work; to which I responded by asking:
“Then why did Strzok change the language to exonerate Hillary?” and “Why did Strzok get fired?”
From there, we entered into a discussion regarding FISA applications, FBI 302 forms, and 1023 counterintelligence documentation that still remain classified; as well as other documents that have been heavily redacted. I teased the Doctor that I thought Trump was either waiting for the right moment to make these unclassified, or perhaps the Donald didn’t want to “taint the midterm elections out of fairness”.
The Doctor said all of that documentation would prove that Trump “conspired with the Russians to take down Hillary”.
Even so, I wondered: “Why didn’t Rosenstein recuse himself like Sessions, given that Rosenstein (according the OIG report) signed at least one of the FISA applications on Trump?”
“Collusion”, said I, “that’s why”.
The Doctor replied: “Trump asked Russia on national TV to find the [Hillary] e-mails and, the next day, Russia released the e-mails”.
Obviously the Doctor conflated Wikileaks with Russia, and even so, it wasn’t the next day, but I decided to stay on track:
“Bruce Ohr’s wife worked for Fusion GPS, the same firm that Hillary Clinton used to create the fake dossier on Trump. There’s your documented collusion”, I said, before adding: “Obama weaponized the FBI and DoJ against a Republican presidential candidate. It’s the largest scandal in the history of the United States and one that Robert Mueller is now attempting to cover up. If the Democrats win this fall, they might get away with it”.
The Doctor said that the Inspector General’s report proved that everything I just said was a lie, that the FBI was investigating Clinton (not Trump) and “if that was weoponizing the FBI against Trump, then Obama must have wanted Trump to win”.
He added: “The FBI said NOTHING about investigating Trump for ANYTHING before the election” and what I “was saying made no sense”. In fact, the Doctor claimed, everything I said “proved that it was actually TRUMP” who was “trying to divert attention AWAY from Mueller” because “he [Trump] knows he is guilty”.
In response to that, I brought up the FBI mole, Stefan Halper, the Ohrs again, and how the investigation into Hillary was designed to absolve Hillary prior to the election; even as the Russian counterintelligence investigation was executed as an “insurance policy” in order to undermine Trump; both before and after the election.
The Doctor said I “should read the OIG report” and I countered back that “I did read the report” and that it fully supported “the criminal referrals to congress for these people: James Comey, Hillary Clinton, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, and Lisa Page”.
Obviously, again, no minds were changed.
Conclusion
The above summation was the result of quotations from actual discussions, transcriptions of exact texts, and recollections from additional conversations. Although some of it was moderately paraphrased for purposes of illustration and cadence, I would say it is 95% to 99% accurate; with any errors attributed to, perhaps, the bias of my own perspective in understanding their positions.
That said, although my breakfast companions have forthrightly repudiated my statements of facts, my link-attributed documentation, my opinions, and my political views at this time, they would, however, concede that the above exchanges were narrated accurately for the most part, and, by and large, delineated here in the correct order, with near 100% accuracy. Perhaps the only exceptions they could make would be with some of my paraphrasing of our dialogue, but even then, they would have to admit that none of the original intent, or meaning, was eliminated from any of the above recitations.
So what’s the point?
It is this: I used enjoy many things. Now? Not so much. Gradually, and over time, the things I once enjoyed have become tarnished. First it was Saturday Night Live, then football, and now it has become most movies, TV shows, and late night talk shows. What was sewn into the U.S. educational system decades ago has now sullied everything from personal identity, to personal relations, to politics. Everything the Political Left has touched, it has turned to shit.
The English journalist and satirist, Malcom Muggeridge, described the befoulment as:
A solvent rather than a precipitate, a sedative rather than a stimulant, a slough rather than a precipice; blurring the edges of truth, the definition of virtue, the shape of beauty; a cracked bell, a mist, a death wish…
– Muggeridge, Malcolm. “The Great Liberal Death Wish – (1979)
And, for these reasons, the decline of the West:
Thus did Western Man decide to abolish himself, creating his own boredom out of his own affluence, his own vulnerability out of his own strength, his own impotence out of his own erotomania, himself blowing the trumpet that brought the walls of his own city tumbling down… Until at last, having educated himself into imbecility, and polluted and drugged himself into stupefaction, he keeled over–a weary, battered old brontosaurus–and became extinct.
― Muggeridge, Malcolm. “Vintage Muggeridge: Religion and Society”
In addition to our conversations on Trump, my “friends” have lectured me on my “racism and white privilege”; even as they burn with hate for the likes of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, former presidential candidate Herman Cain, former Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke, and actress Stacey Dash.
Who are these “friends” to tell me that I’m a racist, but they are not?
The aforementioned doctor has asked our group to not use straws to drink juice at breakfast because they harm dolphins. Yet, he supports a woman’s “right to choose” because fish are more worthy than fetuses? Really?
And he’s a doctor.
Indeed. It is an Orwellian Brave New World. And perhaps one that deserves to implode, because as most everyone reading this knows, the foolishness has become pandemic.
To the left, there is no logic, no rationality, no law, no accountability, no common sense, and no right or wrong because everything is political to them based upon their instinct alone. The Manufactured Reality of the Hive Mind has become a religion. And the hypocrisy is boundless.
The forthcoming 2018 Midterm Elections will mark the point of no return in the United States because, no matter who wins the “allegorical argument”, the marriage is headed for a divorce.
A house divided will not stand.
America’s ideological breach is no longer funny, or cute; and, even now, in the company of those who I consider friends, I’m not laughing anymore.
Great article, yet scary. Social media and Neo-Communist media has worked wonders at helping to keep people stuck with their confirmation bias. None of us certainly has all the truth or the facts, we can only struggle the best we can with imperfect information. Anyone that doesn’t see CNN/MSNBC as pure Left wing propaganda is not worth talking to for one minute. They are dellusional true believers, this neo-communism is their new cult like religion.
Seeing how difficult it is to get people to even hedge on what they believe when presented with facts is disturbing. This country is the tower of Babel, but its the ideologies that are causing destruction more than language. I only had one friend who is a lefty, and became a worse lefty over time (school teacher of course). I don’t talk to him anymore, he is in my view insane, he can drink his vodka and watch Maddow everynight, something is seriously wrong with him. Honestly talking to him is like speaking to someone with active psychosis. Fortunately my few friends that I have left are Republican/Libertarian, although we don’t tend to talk politics much either. We all know we are pretty much an echo chamber. As someone who basically just wants to be left alone to live life, Leftists won’t allow that and the tyranny of statists is something scary to behold. When I hear some of the insanity by the far left it reminds me constantly of the “enemies domestic” since clearly they hold nothing of value left in what is America. They literally want to shred the bill of rights and force you into their group think, or their prisons or death camps, its honestly not much of a leap to that given their rhetoric.
Spot on. I too no longer have leftist friends. It’s like being friends with a heroin addict who you know will never quit. Only instead of just ruining their lives, they join the hive mind of other addicts and vote to end ours too. Using our money to do it!
Excellent epistle. Readers here have probably all had similar discussions–which tend to deteriorate into arguments–with friends and family. They are exactly the same as religious zealots, impervious to logic, deaf to facts, and once you cite one too many facts, they resort to ad hominem, dismissing you along with your stubborn facts. To avoid frustration and ostracization, we keep our mouths shut, which, of course, serves the purpose of the leftists; silencing those with common sense gives them victory without a battle. Damned if we do but more damned if we don’t.
I agree with your sentiments. I have a now former friend from the UK who is a vicious Trump hater and who roundly dismisses anything to do with him, or any of his supporters. He’s here on a work visa and would go on and on ad-nauseum about how Trump is an idiot and how anyone who supports him should be sent to a camp, and how Americans – or as he put it, Yanks – were the bloody stupidest lot on the planet, yada, yada. Then one day I asked him if he hated it here so much, why he didn’t hop on the first flight back to Londonistan? He launched into a paroxysm about how I was trying to deflect from the huge embarrassment that is our country and how the whole world thinks we’re a joke. He got particularly incensed when I stated that most Americans didn’t particularly care what the rest of the world thought of us and that we didn’t really need the rest of the world for anything.
And I think that goes to the core of many of the beliefs of these people; “I’m important and you had better take heed when I say something, because it’s equally important.” The fact that I told him that not only was opinion pretty much worthless, but that he was free to leave whenever he liked laid bare the raw nerve in many of these people. That they stand on a house of cards.
Last New Year’s Eve at a celebration I made the comment that I was looking forward to the tax cut for the coming year. A highly educated DVM stated that I would not be getting a tax cut and that it did not exist. I stated that I had researched it and my tax break would be about $1600. It was a fact and he was in denial. I said I would wait and see. He then launched into Russian collusion and how its’ ads on Facebook had cost HRC the election. I stated that I had not been influenced by any ads on Facebook. I then called Hilary a “commie bitch” for shock value, everybody in the room jaws dropped. Got a rise out of the DVM and told him that discussing politics was not something I wished to continue. I smiled and watched as my brother in law winked in agreement with me. My theory is throw it back and throw it hard. Never Trumpers only understand humiliation, not logic!
I tell my wife the same thing. Time to quit being the nice guy. I shame one of our local bar tenders who is constantly watching CNN. “Getting your daily dose of brain washing?”. He says he’s libertarian and that he applies “common sense” while watching CNN. No amount of common sense would allow anyone with any common sense to continue watching CNN.
Great article Doug. Thanks for sharing your experiences. I don’t talk to either of my sisters for the same ideological divides. This country is divided and will never rally together again. The red team versus blue team and the main stream media will insure that we remain that way. I keep hoping that the truth will be revealed on your above arguments but fear even if it is, with convictions and all, that people like your friends will not accept the results. Just like they would not/will not accept that Donald Trump is their President. Sad… Chip
BTW do your “friends” know about or read TBP? (hehehehehe)
I’ve sent them TBP articles before and, as far as I know, the last article on my own blog they read was one on Hillary Clinton before the election in 2016. At that time they said I was “so wrong”, even if my “points were made intelligently”.
They’ve never talked about my blog since, and I don’t bring it up.
I chuckle thinking they might be reading your post and the comments here…. Chip
What does the bartenders common sense have to say about the lately unhinged Prof. Toobin saying (on CNN) Trump’s opposition to Antifa is based on racism, “since most people think Antifa is a Black civil rights group?” I agree with all who say these f’ers are not just confused, but insane.
Contrast that with Tucker Carlson (on FOX) interviewing an Antifa fan boy, asking questions, listening to answers, and finding the Antifa guy as baffled as anyone else by Toobin’s claim that Antifa is a Black civil rights group.
Chip writes… “This country is divided and will never rally together again.”
Agreed. The terms of the divorce must now somehow be agreed upon. I fear the situation is beyond reasonable discussion. Cooler heads no longer seem to exist. Illogic and unreason are now the norm.
In my opinion, these conversations are worth…ZERO. The only conversation worth having is how we are going to break up and divide the land.
The notion of dividing the country up was decided in 1865 after the deaths of over 600,000 Americans. The only conversation I want to hear is how the people who want to break it up are going to be purged, and if it’s in the millions then all that number is at this point in time is a mere statistic.
The south was right. You’re for the tyranny of big government… Chip
I’m from the South and it’s the Democrat places who are the trouble. When they find out that Hillary and Obama are the traitors they’ll never believe it. They’ll be the ones to destroy everything and they’ll have to be run out or purged.
The only cardinals that are right are the feathered ones.
Speaking in a strictly historic sense, land belongs to whoever is willing to kill for it. If these fuqueres force us into such a sick zero sum game, let THEM suffer the consequences.
That’s what Sitting Bull said.
Sounds tedious. I no longer have the patience to try to awaken such shills anymore. I educate the young who can still be reached, prepare for the needs of my tribe and load magazines while watching the storm on the horizon draw closer.
Uncola, you are like Sisyphus in your combat with dead weight, although Sisyphus did move it up the hill. A great effort just the same on your part; moreover you gave us a terrific example of intelligence, eloquence, and facts meeting up with belief and opinion that reveals once and for all that leftists are hard-wired and incapable of change. Again and again the leftists have taken over societies and reduced them to where the people have nothing left to lose.
Somehow and soon something’s gotta give. I doubt even when Hillary and the rest are jailed that leftists will give up their identities. Won’t they just riot? I can’t see the solution. But thanks for relating your gentlemanly presented arguments so we can see more plainly than ever that rolling a rock up a hill is just that and nothing more, though some believe Sisyphus came to love his task. But then he was alone and not beset with crazy people bent on cutting him down.
Doug, why on Earth would you waste your time with dolts like that? Stzrok and Page texting about the need for an insurance policy made the mainstream media. Anyone who doesn’t understand that the fix was in against Trump is an idiot – I don’t care if they’re successful in business or are a doctor.
@ Bigfoot & Iska,
More often than not, I will use humor to deflect and parry certain conversations. And sometimes I just change the subject to topics on which we can agree.
But this time, their comments on the Blue Wave pissed me off sufficiently at a time I was already finding their arrogance tedious. I decided to let them know what I really thought.
I also wanted to parse the differences between persuading a politically centrist/independent opponent as compared to a near socialist; and there were, indeed, differences. The RINO was more receptive. He, in fact, has opened up to at least the possibility of a Deep State; even if his mind has not been completely changed at this time.
Of course all that is understandable, but I still found it interesting in practice nevertheless.
I will also say that both of them seem less enthusiastic to engage me in politics now. So there’s that as well. I’ll just claim that as a bonus.
UN- Why not just encourage the people to stop playing their game? No more red/blue, left/right, REP/DEM, condemn the the whole dog pile of steaming poo. That is the giant turd that divides.
You can write about this crap all day but divided we fall and you aren’t flipping enough people to make a difference, if any.
@ Bea,
I definitely agree in many ways, that the left / right “game” is a charade. However, there are fundamental value differences between left and right that transcend the “game”.
Liberal versus RINO were lies on the long walk towards tyranny.
If there is anyone left to put Humpty Dumpty back together again after the fall, it will be genuine conservatives who will be picking up the pieces to make a better omelette.
History is a great teacher, and perhaps hard times will set priorities straight.
Just as the book of Ecclesiastes says “there is nothing new under the sun“, it also says “the heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left“.
Of course, not everyone believes what they read; or history for that matter.
Doug, somebody sent me a little meme the other day, let me see if I can remember it correctly. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak man. Weak men create hard times.
Hard times create hard-on lust.
Hard-on lust creates (even more) dust.
Dust exposes allergic reactors.
Allergic reactors aerosolize bugs from dusty tractors.
Pandemics kill ‘em.
Leavin’ fewer to shill ‘em.
Moo-tation undeniable.
Assures beans refriable.
Pass the tortillas.
Interesting movie clips, if. Nice poetry. Or is that a series of haiku segments?
Fortune cookie couplets. I like leather ones. Cuts way down on the kookie dust. & those fuzzy muppets.
https://colossalshop.com/products/leather-fortune-cookies
Unco likes Mencken (well, who doesn’t?). Mencken liked Fante. Maybe give the dust an ask. Looks to be a story that tells the whole story. Dustbowls – breakfast of chimpians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ask_the_Dust
Here is a challenge, give it your best shot at convincing me. If you can convince me as to the validity of what you believe and anything that has been accomplished in the last 18 months that has turned the country around so drastically from the last joke of a administration. Convince me that the Bush administrations were conservative or in any way helpful to life liberty and freedom. (as an example of your side of the red/blue, liberal/conservative, Rep/Dem)
I will be your sounding board to gain ammo for your breakfast club members who don’t buy into the reality you are viewing. I do not imply that their version of reality is correct or better in any way. I contend that it is all a suckers bet.
Truthfully, I believe more in the people that voted for Trump than, perhaps, Trump himself.
Trump could be controlled opposition for all I know; but I believe the Americans that voted for him, and still support him, were disappointed by both Bush the Younger and Barry O.
I believe FISA Abuse and Spygate would never have seen the light of day had the Harpy been elected; and neither would the Mainstream Media’s lies and lunacy of the Political Left have been exposed to the extent they have since Trump’s election.
Of course, all of that could have been by design, like a shot of adrenaline into the bloodstream of dying junkie imprisoned on death row with a weak heart.
All I know is that it’s bigger than me. I have roots where I am, and there’s nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. Pass the popcorn.
I can’t eat popcorn right now… strictly a milk toast and broth diet for now.
tucking this here to apologize for the mixup
c’mon ups
UN- I asked for you to give me your take on past REP/conservative administration that were in any way on our side AND what in the last 18 months has transpired to be in our favor.
Your answer is FISA abuse and Spygate? I see where you are having trouble. Let’s boil this down a little Doug, tell me in a short description what you think FISA is about (just the basics) and then the same about Spygate.
If Trump is real, then FISA Abuse and Spygate were meant to undermine his candidacy and his presidency and his professed dreams to MAGA.
If Trump is controlled opposition or a Judas Goat, then FISA Abuse and Spygate are the means to break America into pieces for once and for all, like Humpty Dumpty, to where all of the king’s horses and all of the kings men will never put the once “United” States together again; because that’s the only way a New World Order can rise like a phoenix from the ashes of the old system.
No law. No nation. By accident or design, Trump is either a scapegoat’s ass or a magnifying glass.
Who paid for the dossier and for who’s benefit? CLUE: It was not the Clintons and originally was to benefit Ted Cruz.
The original plan changed as did the script on this one UN.
Could Bea you’re right. One thing that is always underreported, it seems, is the Repug’s involvement in the dossier. I find that interesting.
UN – Robert Mercer paid for that dossier , the guy that owns half of Breitbart (and other sites both lib and alt) you know, the guy who pays Steve Bannon. He put 10 million behind Cruz and the dossier was to be used against Trump. Or that too is just theater.
Mercer owns Vanity Fair which is very liberal , they play both sides and DT is just a actor:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/trump-campaign-distances-itself-from-cambridge-analytica-after-assange-connection-surfaces
Heh, heh ….I figured you wouldn’t touch that UN.
Back in the day, say around the time of the American Revolution, handbills and pamphlets coupled with people speaking to small groups was how ideas spread. Later, there were full scale larger circulation newspapers. Then came radio which enabled people to talk to a lot more people at once and get right inside their homes. Telephones allowed folks to talk to other folks, but this was mainly a one on one type conversation. TV then came along that took radio and added a visual element. Then color TV. This must’ve been seen as the greatest mind control technology of all time by the folks who decided what to tell the people. Now we have the internet, that wraps up newspapers, television, radio and the telephone all in one. Plus on top of that it includes all the trackers and spyware to gather information on folks so it can be known, where they go, who they are friends with, where they shop, what they buy, where they bank and what they think.
The internet is both the most amazing and most diabolical invention of all time. I rank it above figuring out how to split the atom that gave us nuclear power and nuclear weapons, but if the planet ever sees a large scale nuclear war, I want to be able to revise my order, even if I have been reduced to ash.
We have access to more knowledge and ideas than at anytime in human history, yet more people spend time watching funny cat videos than learning something. We know social media sites like Facebook actively investigate how their service can be used to control people and steer them into thinking certain ways. We know that nearly everything we do on a computer is collected and tracked and stored away somewhere by some group for some purpose of which we may not even be aware of.
We live in interesting times that is for sure.
I applaud you taking the time to have discussions with your friends about these things, but as you found out the mind control machine has a strong grasp on the minds of many and there is really nothing that can be said to sway them. Certainly facts cannot, because the two sides cannot even agree on the facts.
@ TJF,
Perhaps there is a reason the internet is also called “The Worldwide Web“, no?
I started to come to terms with being “collected and tracked” on the enemies list in 2009 as a fed up shocked blade in the TEA Party. Shocked that I was in public with a homemade sign in my hands. That was not something I had ever done in my 59 years. I even ended up on the front page of the local newspaper with a sign that said: “We The People Say No To Socialism!”
After nine more years of supporting a host of Conservative, Libertarian, anti Left -anti Globalist -anti Bankster – anti tyrannical group’s and individual’s “activities” and knowing how we were being tracked to be stacked later on…I felt like a living JOHN HANCOCK signature. A buddy who is trying to be a “Grey Man” warned me I was making myself a target…I told him I knew that.
I have no doubt I could be visited at 4 AM by the the “authorities in power” or the “enemy in the war – both regular and illigular” or the “desperate looking for food” or “criminal gangs looking for victims” or all four depending on how the next few years unfolds.
At this point I don’t know of anyone personally (there are plenty here and on the net of course) who have made the wide and deep preps I have to actually live independently and fight in the inevitable coming river of blood nightmare.
So be it. I dread it, it puts a sickening chill into my spirit, I don’t want to see it…I’ve known war and combat and blood lust…but I will do what I have to do when I have to do it, even if it costs me my life…and it probably will.
I have no doubt this comment, if I live long enough, could just be another arrow pointing to why I may actually have to use what I have waiting, what I have hidden, what I have already discovered I’m capable of.
Its not me that I’m worried about. I tremble for those I love who are clueless and innocent and totally unprepared.
Brandeis. Jurist concluded that (JP) Morgan partners held 72 directorships in 47 of the countries largest corporations. Pujo report concluded it was 341 directorships in 112 corporations. Biggest industrial trust was Morgan’s U.S. Steel. It absorbed 228 separate companies in 127 cities in 18 states – all once locally owned & financed. Some of the men at the top of the weave referred to themselves as webmeisters. Spiderman hadn’t been invented yet. Nor DARPA.
a lot of insight in that spiderweb
men with insight, men in granite ~ Tupelo Honey
Irish (scots, too) know. Brits. & dunno. Cats & prots. Divisions – dust. If absent, invent it.
Words catch up, like ketchup to the fries. Been reading “Every Man a Speculator.” Steve Fraser. That’s where politician Pujo, pretending to be Cujo, defending the sheep, made my acquaintance. Lot of the book (the author) is wrong, but as usual, there’s color to be had.
But my faver:
To the author……I hope you have other ‘friends’
It’s a terrible realization to admit, but when good friends & family become so irretrievably brainwashed, the time for Civil War approaches. And make no mistake: we are quite likely past the point of no return. If a change in power happens any time soon (by coup or election), the radicals WILL go after us with a psychotic vengeance. And these people you describe will support them, just like the German people went along w/good ‘ole Adolph. Leftism, when it seizes power, ALWAYS leads to totalitarianism and the gulag, eventually…
And some point shortly thereafter, their triumph will turn to terror as they are no longer Useful Idiots. They become Useless Idiots, scapegoats, as the Communitarians turn on them next in their cultural enrichment purge of the moment. A mass grave of diversity awaits.
in my experience, someone who tells you not to watch Fox news, is brainlessly watching MSNBC. i watch neither because i only (purposely) have an antenna, but i think Tucker Carlson has great value. someone who asserts there is no “deep state” is likely unaware of the Senior Executive Services, and also must think the deep state has to be formal rather than amorphous. anyone who thinks Hillary C. is qualified at all to be President overlooks the simple minded danger of political offices having an “inherited” propensity through cult of personality effects of their predecessors (i give you Justin Trudeau, Hafez Assad, the Castros, the Kennedys, Bushes, and the 3 person congressional Dingell dynasty since 1933 in Michigan). simpletons make simple choices, and name recognition is the simplest (without name recognition, most rely on height, race and good looks – thus are we doomed.)
i’m sorry for you and for others as you try to spit into the wind of ignorance, irrationality, false supposition and stubbornness. facts don’t matter to people who have closed their minds. these minds will not be changed. as history proves, unfortunately, they can only be wiped out. also unfortunately, they are more successful in doing the wiping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSJUrHzIRmI
this is excellent. thanks for linking
I lose them when I mention controlled demolition….It is nigh impossible to move the discussion forward from there.
Controlled demolition would have left enormous piles of rubble. The vast majority of material those buildings were constructed with and the contents therein became literal dust in the wind. Talk about a conversation stopper…
GCP
You refer to whay Dr. Judy Wood coined as dustification.
Even within the TRUTH community this topic is highly debated.l, especially suggesting that the images of planes hitting the Twin Towers were photoshopped and other projectiles were used instead.
with “friends” like those, who needs enemies?
Thank you everyone, thus far, for the fantastic commentary. Much to unpack there; and some of it I’ll be thinking about for days. I appreciate y’all very much. Seriously.
No, THANK YOU !!
Uncola you are pissing in the wind. It is like trying to convince Grace Country Pastor that Paul’s letters in the bible aren’t a divine message from GOD himself. I just had a big agrument with a liberal memeber of the blue team because I trashed John McCain as a war-monger. Because McCain hated Trump, now all his sins have been washed away according to liberals. CNN is poision
🙂
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
-Mark Twain
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
-Mark Twain
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.
-Thomas Paine
I think many of us see the cognitive disconnect in our otherwise wise friends and colleagues. My very pragmatic US Navy-retired doctor (betcha he knows something about fires on the Forrestal, I’ll ask) isn’t a Trump supporter, but neither a Hilderbeast supporter. However, he insists Trump is bringing in all sorts of Russian elitists to Miralago (or whatever) to have babies and get citizenship somehow. He really gets a bit upset over the topic so I steer away, but I’m thinking…. Russian elitist versus Musloid jihadist: One just sounds better.
My cousins who like to sit in the river and drink beer all summer have gone their separate ways. They don’t understand why I just don’t join the grasshopper clan and party as if there is no tomorrow. When I told my cousin to her face I believed Hillary was the biggest skank hoe in the world and that she was no more a role model for women than any other power-grubbing vampire squid leech woman. (Gotta love that movie Leech Woman. When the whole pineal gland business was being tossed around, it gave me the perfect video clue for what a pineal gland can do for an old hag like Hildebeast.)
I laid out my case to my cousins, but they were not interested in anything but demanding I not say that about her.
I lost some of my hillbilly followers over ten reasons to NOT mourn Shitstain and one of them gave me an angry face and said she would not be following me because what I posted was tacky and tasteless.
I replied that the Truth is quite often tacky and tasteless, but if you chew it long enough, it restores your ability to see through the bullshit. I also suggested no one was forcing her to read what I post. Which made her even madder because she wanted me to beg forgiveness and ask her to remain on my little community chat.
We do not have time for that. I would post a link to a video sent to me by friends out west, but I don’t want to clutter your fine observational essay with snarky pettiness. I will email the link to you later and if you think it worthy, perhaps you can “sneak” it in without the stench of Maggie drawing vultures and other predators.
It is supposed to be about free speech. It is really about who gets the last word.
I can’t beat you to 100 but I can get in the last word.
I just happened to wake up from a nap, opened my laptop and posted 100. God is definitely on my side today!
Hey Mary! You planning a trip to the Mississippi anytime soon? St. Louie or the Cape?
Doug is doing something. And while his conclusion appears to be that no minds were changed, he is probably wrong. Minds were changed in as much as they were presented with information that they didn’t have before. They will have to work with that information to make it fit into their world view and in the end that information will modify their world view. Most of us do not have the required intelligence to maintain such a confrontation. To keep the facts straight and on hand. To offer the facts, as you see them, in a calm and orderly way. I know I can’t do it and I am pretty sure that most of you can’t do it either.
The reason that Doug’s “facts” didn’t seem to change any minds is the same reason that none of us are willing to change our minds. Our minds, all of our minds, see our world views as correct. We know that they are not complete, but we take comfort in our knowledge and our facts and we will defend them to the death. So to will Doug’s friends. In the end, there are only two ways to change the people who inhabit the world around you. Either you convince them of the veracity of you’re arguments, or you kill them. But you have to kill them all. And you don’t have the stomach for killing even one of them so that leaves you only the method that Doug explains in this article. Standing to does not mean that you take up arms against your misguided friends. Standing to can also mean that you change their minds with your “facts”. In other words, you engage in the conversation. You respond to the texting. You work at it and you keep them as friends. You need to keep them as friends because if they become enemies you can no longer engage in the conversation. It is through conversations such as Doug’s that minds can be changed. Without these conversations no minds can be changed. I am not saying that I think that Doug marshaled every response effectively, and for sure I am not saying that I could do better, but at least he stood his ground and offered as good as he got. I can’t say whether minds were changed of not, but if they were not changed, who’s fault must that be? It can only fall to Doug to find a better way to explain to his friends that their world view is ultimately a destructive one. And he will continue because he is stubborn and he is smart enough to keep the conversation going. It is the only way to win short of killing all of them for thought crimes; something that only a few of you TBPers have proposed.
Doug is doing something. You can do something too. Even if you are too stupid to keep the “facts” straight in your head or too hot headed to keep a calm mind during the conversation, it is far better to have tried than it is to cut yourself off from those who think differently.
Do something.
Unfortunately, it is as Doug who is likely to be killed, imprisoned or silenced for “thought crimes” .
“Nobody gets out of here alive” is a little more real at 65 than 25.
Hollywood,
Great points. From a cognitive psychological standpoint, it takes “work” to unlearn and retrain your brain to think differently… cognition is conservative in nature, this means that deliberate cognitive energy must be used to change aspects of our beliefs and worldviews.
Many people have adopted and hold onto faulty schemas or developed ways of perceiving and interpreting their surroundings and have identified and internalized aspects of manufactured talking points, misinformation or inaccurate retelling of history through the process of assimilation.
Thus the still highly relevant cliche,
IGNORANCE IS BLISS…
Willful ignorance is by far so much “WORSER!” especially in this Age of Information.
Ultimately, people must convince themselves. Tearing down decades of indoctrination of the State takes a huge amount of will and, typically, a very long time.
You planted the seeds, Uncola, that is all you can do. The idea that you can, somehow reveal this great truth and suddenly change a mind is absurd. Human Beings do not operate in this manner…everything is a process. You began the process…and as Rob stated, you DID SOMETHING. You took responsibility, utilized passion, reason and patience. And now you are down in the dumps because they didn’t immediately change their entire worldview? Bullshit.
Find something else to enjoy and keep speaking the truth. The latter will seldom be enjoyable, but it is good, it is noble and it will eventually bear fruit.
Bob P wrote this below as a part of his post:
impervious to logic, deaf to facts, and once you cite one too many facts, they resort to ad hominem, dismissing you along with your stubborn facts.
This is exactly what I run into every time I attempt to have a meaningful discussion. They’re impossible to reach with logic or facts. I don’t even try anymore, to include my own mother.
BTW, excellent article per usual UnCola
I just gotta tell you I misread a sentence above and it makes me laugh. Hope it makes you smile too.
“They’re impossible to reach with logic or FARTS.”
OMG… is that funny?
It still makes me laugh, but today it really might be the drugs.
Logic or Farts
Doug,
Fantastic article! I think many of us have similar stories. The bottom line is you can’t fix stupid. Those that support this blue wave will get theirs in the end. These are the same kinds of coversations friends and families were having before the siege of Ft. Sumter. One cannon shot changed America forever. Neighbor against neighbor. Brother against brother.
It may be a cannon shot, a gun shot, or a bolt of lightening. This powder keg is ready to blow. Here in Texas we’re open to it and ready for it.
History doesn’t repeat but rhymes.
I think we’re heading to the same result, but there will be more than two sides.
Long on ammo, short on hope!
Waste of time to talk to these morons. I just unfriended a guy I have known for 20 years over this sort of thing. LIfe is too short and these people are destroying our country. Fuck them.
GAVEYOU A PLUS. I have a neighbor I haven’t talked to in 5 years. Stupid lib. Will not respond to logic, history, current events, or facts. When the schism omes, I will shoot accurately.
Doug, you need to reevaluate the people you call friends. You don’t seem to be very discriminating.
Great one! At this point I pretty much know who is on which side; that is, are they leftists, never Trumpers, or Trump supporting. It’s tricky being with friends who obviously consume MSNBC all day. Conversations are potential minefields. Glad we haven’t had television for over 6 years now. Just being online for any length of time is enough to fill one with worry & anger.
Although it seems hopeless, there are some that I believe don’t fall for the whole cultural Marxist thing, and in the safety of the voting booth will surprise us all. One can always pray for it anyway. Thanks Uncola
Fascinating article! A carefully recorded and honest representation from both perspectives. It may go down in history as the last attempt at dialogue between warring factions of the left and right, before all hell breaks loose. As I was reading this, I was remembering the start of violence in South Africa, the sides being drawn in Europe (Italy, Spain, Poland, Hungary etc.), the sliding of the Catholic church into globalism and our own civil war coming to a head in just a few months. Civil discourse is soon to become a relic from the good old days.
Funny thing is: Russia and China seem to be unaffected by the virus of rebellion that is sweeping the globe. I wonder if their ability to keep themselves isolated from the internal strife sweeping the world may be their way of coming through this global conflict as the victors who will then decide how to divide the spoils of the nations who have collapsed, the nations having been vanquished by their own internal demons.
Not. Russia and China seem to have a much better way of dealing with trouble makers. They would never allow a bunch of black clad droolers rampage through the streets. The minute that happened they would lock every single one of them up and wouldn’t let them out. You either kill your demons or your change their minds. How many have you killed? Me, I can’t even kill a rabbit and even Maggie can do that.
I like your referal to SA and eastern europe. You can take a stance on any issue that you like and nobody will care. It isn’t until a large number of people take that stance that anything will be changed. It is changed by the many, not the few. But it always starts with one person who says NO. If Doug changed any minds, even slightly, then things got just that little bit better. If he didn’t change any minds then it has to be his fault and he has to come up with better arguments. But he can’t stop trying. You can’t stop trying. You have to seek out the confrontation. You have to revel in the confrontation. If you don’t, then you will be washed over and drowned by the great sea that is (((communism))) or you will be converted or die to the religion of piece. (yeah I know it’s peace)
Engage or die. Do the work. Win the arguments. Get smarter. Get ready. Get in the fight.
Do something.
EVEN Maggie? I think you mean, ONLY Maggie.
Good comment. I don’t even mind the poke. I do have tough skin.
And I think Nick and I qualify for having “done something.” My son, as well, who is almost to Auntie’s home where he can get ready for interviews on his own. I told him to go. It is what a mother does when it is time. Kick them out.
One might see China and Russia as emerging from their own long nightmares with those of us aware of what they went through fighting to avoid the same fate.
I think you have the patience of Job, Uncola. It takes a lot of time and mountains of patience to attempt to change minds like that and in the end, no minds were changed. Maybe you planted the seeds of doubt in their minds, though and that is worth something.
Rob said each one of us probably have some kind of story about friends like this. Sorry, Rob, I paraphrased.
Indeed, I second that notion. I was in Denver a couple weeks ago visiting my my sister-in-law who I stay in touch with since I lost my brother several years ago. I know her political leanings and my nephew and niece and the rest of the family members. It’s not the same as mine and they know it, too. So we usually avoid political subjects to keep the visits congenial. I keep in touch with them because they are all I have left of my immediate family, aside from my kids and it’s different with them.
Anyways, three days went by and we managed to talk about all kinds of things besides politics. My last night there at dinner at my nephews house where I am surrounded by liberals I am having a wonderful time talking about all kinds of things and suddenly I hear blah blah blah..Trump..Blah Blah.. I don’t even remember what I was talking about and I looked around and asked in a loud voice “Who started in with the politics?” My sis-in-law admitted to the deed and I said I thought we were going to avoid that subject and she said something to the effect that well..this latest whatever it was, I don’t even remember what she said I was so pissed..but she was all knotted up in her panties and could not keep her mouth shut. So then my nephews wife starts talking about Trump voters and how we all got lied to, (she’s most likely right but I was not in the mood to admit that right then) felt sorry for us were so stupid and I got fed up and said Well, I voted for Trump, so there ya go. This stopped them in their tracks. My nephew asked me if I would vote for him again and since I din’t want to continue the conversation I ignored him completely and never answered the question.
Rob also said:
“You work at it and you keep them as friends. You need to keep them as friends because if they become enemies you can no longer engage in the conversation. It is through conversations such as Doug’s that minds can be changed. Without these conversations no minds can be changed.”
Maybe so..but
Doug said “…the marriage is headed for a divorce.
A house divided will not stand.
America’s ideological breach is no longer funny, or cute; and, even now, in the company of those who I consider friends, I’m not laughing anymore.”
Divorce can be a no contest situation where both parties agree that it’s not working anymore but we can still be civil to each other or they can be extremely messy with all kinds of collateral damage and huge losses for both parties. I don’t see any way for it to be civil anymore.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to vent. It’s been on my mind and now it’s off my mind.
Is a good place for any venting… perhaps, even comments from other posts about lawn chairs.
MC. Holding your temper is the hardest thing of all to do. Losing your temper stops your thinking process and forces you to spout simple platitudes that you hold as truths. Since your truths and their truths are not the same, you platitudes accomplish nothing. But you can accomplish something if you just work at getting better at it. Learn to control your anger. Memorize your points and the facts that you think support them. Offer them in friendship. Let your friends do the research into the truths that you hold, but also agree to do the research into their truths. Both of you may change. That is ok.
Don’t give up. There is no other way.
1861 to 1865
Clarence Darrow, Attorney for the Damned: Clarence Darrow in the Courtroom:
Tags: blood, civil-war, cruelty, death, honor, justice, killing, law, life, madness, patriotism, sacred, value, violence, war
“Now, your Honor, I have spoken about the [Civil] war. I believed in it. I don’t know whether I was crazy or not. Sometimes I think perhaps I was. I approved of it; I joined in the general cry of madness and despair. I urged men to fight. I was safe because I was too old to go. I was like the rest. What did they do? Right or wrong, justifiable or unjustifiable — which I need not discuss today — it changed the world. For four long years the civilized world was engaged in killing men. Christian against Christian, barbarian uniting with Christians to kill Christians; anything to kill. It was taught in every school, aye in the Sunday schools. The little children played at war. The toddling children on the street. Do you suppose this world has ever been the same since? How long, your Honor, will it take for the world to get back the humane emotions that were slowly growing before the war? How long will it take the calloused hearts of men before the scars of hatred and cruelty shall be removed?
We read of killing one hundred thousand men in a day. We read about it and we rejoiced in it — if it was the other fellows who were killed. We were fed on flesh and drank blood. Even down to the prattling babe. I need not tell you how many upright, honorable young boys have come into this court charged with murder, some saved and some sent to their death, boys who fought in this war and learned to place a cheap value on human life. You know it and I know it. These boys were brought up in it. The tales of death were in their homes, their playgrounds, their schools; they were in the newspapers that they read; it was a part of the common frenzy — what was a life? It was nothing. It was the least sacred thing in existence and these boys were trained to this cruelty.”
Civil War Round 2: 2020 to 20_ _?
SUPERB work sir as usual.
They are hopeless members of a cult.
Like Jim Jones followers going to the camp in Guiana to drink the poison, or Scientology members, that you can never convert to Mormons, for example . I have a brother and a cousin who are rabid cult members. Never speak of politics as it is a wasted breath.
Doug – I think you are far more patient, and polite, than I might have been! FWIW here are some random thoughts about your experience –
1) I think there IS some value in challenging what others believe, but I think you get the best bang per buck by politely saying that you have a completely different view and making a few simple points about how much you disagree (and why) before ending the conversation. I have long since given up believing that I alone can change someone’s opinion. I have, however, had more of an impact by opening the door to future conversations where the other person over time came to see that maybe some of the things I had said may have had value and then approached me in a more receptive frame of mind.
2) I read a VERY interesting recent article which talked about the current differences between people. It is worth your time. It starts off talking about UK issues and Jeremy Corbyn in particular but it quickly broadens to some points I think you’ll find interesting. I think it clearly explains that the basis of your disagreement with your “friends” wasn’t political, but rather about who’s awake.
3) We seem to live in a time where it is increasingly difficult to communicate with each other – we are all increasingly intolerant of each other’s views. The internet gives us access to >4 Bn people’s views, and maybe our brains simply cannot cope with so many differing opinions? Maybe our ape brains get more intransigent as they get more overwhelmed. Certainly there are many well understood biases in how we think that helps us cope with all the conflicting information that we hear – https://unherd.com/2018/08/think-youre-open-minded/
4) There are definitely some fundamental things wrong with our world today – corruption, inequity, wars, poverty. It’s enough to drive any rational, decent, caring person insane! And it seems to be getting worse. Will it ever end?! When (and how) will it end? FWIW, I stay sane (well, try to anyway) by (a) trying to remain receptive and tolerant to anyone who seems decent (regardless of their views), (b) staying close to the few people who really matter, (c) knowing that the situation CANNOT last forever (the West is bankrupt and change is inevitable), (d) trying to prepare as best I can for that change, which could be destabilising, bloody and violent. I hope for the best but I (inadequately) try to prepare for the worst! Fourth turnings are a bitch.
Bottom line – get less involved in arguing and more involved in managing your way through it.
Uncola
Your article explains perfectly why I have no friends. It isn’t worth the time to beat my head against the wall. At neighborhood gatherings I have no interest in engaging with people incapable of critical thinking. I stick to small talk. I also don’t tell anyone about this website. People can find it if they are interested.
Friends are one thing; like-minded countrymen with shelter and protection are another.
I hope you know you have lots of those from what you have done here.
Stucky now has claim to the spot at the pond. Deer camp is covered. However, that lovely little treehouse with just a few minor inconveniences seems to be more available since my son graduated and had to pull his resume down because the job he really wants is available after mid-September.
Yes, that is smug dripping off Nick and my faces. We. Done. It.
hahahaha…
You are the Fireman from Farenheit 451, aren’t you?
@ Admin,
I understand. Really.
You get me.
Admin and Uncola get a room.
I’m fresh out of friends, so your chumminess is pissing me off.
Here’s an appropriate video from the Almond Bros – Midnight Rider
Almond Brothers? I think that’s “nuts”. LOL.
Da Vulture
Almond Bros? That’s nutty.
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We have slipped sideways into the Bizzaro World universe populated with liberal loonies.
Send them all to California, I say! Confirmation bias is a grand thing until it isn’t.
Doug..
Befoulment. You read my mind, I don’t even like being in the checkout line due to magazines.
Both the RINO and Doctor types I encounter see Contempt Prior to Investigation as a virtue.
I mainly wanted to see iforget incorporate that into a poem.
Doesn’t Da Vulture seem….. so….familiar?
Why would you associate with people like that, beyond a simple wave as you drive by?
Why would you waste your time trying to engage in a discussion with them.
Pig mud wrestling?
Thank you Doug. I’m glad you saw fit to commit to writing the frustration I could only verbalize. I’ve had the same talks with friends of the same level. So I mention that I’ve seen all the progressive arguments, in fact was brought up on them. Even their “news”. And that Aristotle said: “It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it.”; and ask them “So how about you?”
Then it devolves to “…How ’bout those Lakers?”; or “How about that new west coast IPA?” bar convos they so disdain. So I quit, telling them “history is happening” and they will be embarrassed in a few years no matter who wins. Especially when the SJW police decide they are no longer useful idiots.
On the other hand, people who have to physically build something as simple as a garage have less of a problem with recognizing straight up lies, and propaganda. But they’re too busy for poly-ticks, and too disgusted to try to learn the big picture.
That said, I take two exceptions to your statement:
“What was sewn into the U.S. educational system decades ago …”
One, perhaps seeds were sown … Didn’t the collectivists “… sow the wind, so that we reap the whirlwind” for almost two centuries?
And two, I refuse to grant the Collectivist “Entropy-ists” the concept “Education”. It is a lie posing as a euphemism for Forced Public Schooling, expressed in “der fatherland’s daycare lack of concentration camps”. Designed to take a smart child and turn him into a corporate drone or a killbot, per Gatto’s ‘underground history’.
Thanks again for your efforts. I’ll re-approach my fading friends. And maybe even try Stef’s “Against Me” argument on them as a denouement.
@ Mike,
I stewed over the exchanges for the last 10 days or so, and finally decided to write and post. It was like therapy, really. It allowed me to revisit everything from a distance and, now that it’s recorded for posterity, I can let it go and move on.
I stand corrected on the “sewn” typo; but can’t shake the idea that it may have been a Freudian Slip instead: Maybe I was thinking “sewn” as “joined or attached by stitches” of Sewcialism
There are many people you will never convince with facts. Why is it that some can see and others reject truth or reality? It goes deep, but King Solomon sums it up in Ecclesiastes 1:1-11. Nothing changes from the ancient days (first earth age or “old time”) to present age.
:9 “The thing that HATH been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is NO new thing under the sun. :10 Is there anything whereof it may be said, See this is new? It hath been already of OLD time, which was before us. :11 There is no remembrance of former things (1st earth age); neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are come with those that shall come after.” (this present age)
Those who can not see were those who rejected truth in the first age, eons ago at the first rebellion which the Prophets said created the “Katabole” or the destruction of Earth. They have free will to choose, but many will screw it up again.
This is Satan’s world. He is setting up a dialectic where both sides (corporate/state) will eventually merge into a one world system. How many will follow him?
II Thess 2: 9-12 “Even him, (Christ) whose coming is after the working of Satan, with all powers and signs and lying wonders. (meaning before Christ’s return, Satan’s appearance will codify his current deceptions and lies with astounding false miracles)
:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. :11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie: (In another words He’s going to put them in a stupor because they will not accept truth. ) :12 That they all might be damned who believe not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
Christianity was never suppose to become a religion, but a reality for the world to accept salvation.
We are in a brief renaissance that will end soon. There will always be those who accept and fight for truth and righteousness, those who bury their heads in the ground and don’t want to get involved and accept the status quo (the blind), and those who are working 24/7 promoting Satan’s plan. It has always been this way. The conditioning of each new generation will tilt the balance even more. Good is evil and evil is good. However, this time you will have to make a choice. Truth or lies. The point is there is nothing new under the sun. So if your having a difficult time waking up a friend, there might be a good reason.
Once upon a time … Einstein said:
“We can not solve our problems with the same level of thinking that created them.”
Molyneux paraphrased that as:
“You can’t argue someone out of a position they were not argued into.”
Seeing that as a child raising issue – “do as I say, not as I do”, “because I said so”, etc. – my axiom is:
“You can’t argue someone out of an idea that was beaten (or bullied) into them.“
Take heart, buddy. the greatest thing about leftism, from our point of view, is that it cannot support itself. The project to defund It is well underway. It’s going to take time, but bit by bit the funding mechanisms 0bama put in place are being crushed. First a trickle, then a tsunami. if you wonder about the strength of Trumps game, look at the box he just put Canada in. he just defeated Canada’s leftist agenda in one move. Checkmate. Goodbye carbon tax. Goodbye socialized medicine. Watch. if we don’t subsidize them, they can’t do any of that
“Despicable”? Interesting “descriptor”. I was think’n, “pathetic”. Regardless, the now oft-quoted Chinese polite curse, “May you live in interesting times”, comes to mind. Definitely exciting times, especially when monitored [inland, rural] remotely as a well-AGED soon-to-be 72 y/o drafted ‘Nam vet (’69). Perhaps perversely, the whole “flustercluck” finds me daily a little more relieved of being “a little closer to Home”.
Great articles generate great comments I see.
I too have loved ones with whom I cannot discuss these issues, but fortunately I have a number of good friends who see the world as I do.
I believe the lack of logic that characterizes the Left is evidence of spiritual rather than intellectual roots. Jesus identified the Father of Lies, and that being seems to inhabit all the distortions of truth, lack of justice, rebellion against God’s created order, and gross hypocrisy that the rest of us try to break through. It is why facts and history mean nothing to them. They have been completely deluded by our enemies in high places, those not made of flesh and blood.
The great tragedy is that those forces now control most public discourse, the popular culture, the educational system, the entertainment industry, and many churches. Many otherwise good and competent people do not have the knowledge base and/or inner resources to resist all the propaganda, so they are sucked into conforming to what all the cool and noisy people vomit out 24/7. A very tragic end of all this is inevitable.
A people cannot govern themselves from a place of bitter conflict over world view and value systems. One will have to vanquish the other. The alternative is for a despot to gain power who will have to use vicious tactics to keep order. Either way, the near and far future looks dangerous and destructive. It would seem that a priority for us to work on shoring up whatever strength we have within and try to find a way to teach our kids what awaits – without taking away the happiness of childhood. (I’m still working on that one.)
We wish not to offend, we also wish to be accepted, the dichotomy of humanity is nothing is sacred or everything is sacred. Right and wrong are blurred by the media. Give a rip or not, things that cannot go on, won’t. Stand up and be counted or be funneled to the chute of oblivion!?
@ Gayle,
I don’t know about me, but I would say you just greatly resembled that observation.
Kudos! Ya not only gotta good cognitive grip, but also a special talent for effectively expressing it. Hoping that you have also put your “grasp” of the Truth and subsequent response an inland, rural, grouped, gunned, gardened and “System D”/simplified “happiness”on a portion of UNencumbered, arable county “allodium”. The “Remnants” are a GATHERing as the Lord intended from the Beginning. As One of the CHOOSING to be on the Lord’s “Manifest” of the repentant/redeemed – welcome aboard! NO FEAR – hoo-wah.
Sir, further to this thread, this excellent article on the left by a well spoken Brit, is an great review of the cult mentality we have all encountered. All here will find it informative.
http://katehon.com/article/useful-idiocy-left
@ Ursel,
Good article. So many thought-provoking and interesting perspectives; many of which could be utilized in future debates. Here are just a few:
It’s way way bigger than some ambiguous “deep state”. You can tell this just from the fact that nobody’s taken anybody of consequence out. There was that one guy who went after a bunch of republicans at a ball game a few months back, but those targets were basically nobodies. I’m talking about the big fish, like Beelzebezos or Zuckerburgler or Diemon, who are allowed to walk the earth without the fear of god or pissed off man in them. The deep state doesnt have this kind of power to completely neuter the oppressed commonfolk who by the millions have nothing to lose. This is complete psychological domination with zero pushback, zero abberations who slip through the cracks. Every single person, across the entire nation, just sits there and lets pedophiles, banksters, healthcare racketeers, and tech oligarchs walk all over them, stealing their money, their minds, their bodies, their childrens minds and bodies, and they, to a man, do nothing about it. Tell me what force on earth has the power to accomplish that?
Well, the good news is John McCain is still dead and will remain dead and, in few more years every sycophant in and of the Deep State will join him. Outside of North Korea, Iran and Cuba its hard for one party or dictator to hold onto power for more than 20 or so years. The ‘New Left’ that was born 50 years ago and came to power with Bill Clinton is growing old and their long march through the institutions is coming to an end. That it is happening under Donald Trump, a man they despise makes their loss of power all the more enjoyable.
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Edit: MC, I literally woke up from napping, sat up and opened the laptop, saw 99 and posted this. How do I do it?
Magic Monkey Milk from Mary Bess. (Kidding… she’s only beginning training. With this “setback” she may need to breed another litter with Simon, the pig of a goat.
The problems will come once the leftist liberal progressives get back in the White House. They are going to relentless in their hate for traditional Americans and they will do their best to get ” people of color” to hate us . It’s going to be 24/7 .I can see it now.
I have family members that I can’t stand to be around because of their Liberal bullshit. I keep the peace now for my mom but it’s hard as when they come to visit.
The powers that be will collapse the economy but not while Trump is in office . They will wait for the right time before they pull the rug out from under us. I pray the Republicans do well in November and Trump is reelected. Not that they will save us ( there is no saving of our nation ) but that the Republicans will postpone the coming nightmare.
Good post Unanswered. You to Meatball!
BB, making predictions is the easiest thing in the world to do, why I’ve done it a thousand times myself. It’s getting it right that’s the hard part.
Our ancestors cawing down from the trees only thought 2 minutes ahead, which was a good strategy for survival at the time. Their reaction was to a real in the moment threat. With the advent of the Prefrontal Cortex , we spend much, too much time, in the future rather in the here and now. It is both a benefit and a curse. As Yogi Berra says, “The future ain’t what it use to be.” A lot of time and energy can be wasted on a future that doesn’t come to pass. There’s a word for a person who’s predictions turns out right. It’s called Lucky!
MC, I literally woke up from napping… How do I do it?
“They” thought the election was sewn up. Hillary OR Jeb would win …. and the Swamp would finalize It’s coup.
Every candidate for President since 1988 has had direct history as a CIA asset as well as membership in either the Trilateral Commission or the Bilderberg Society with one exception. That would be George W Bush whose father was the Executive Director of the Trilateral Commission and a CIA Director.
DADDY Bush — Skull & Bones, lifelong CIA, CIA Director. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svJysyC7RDc child abuse by “daddy”
Bill Clinton SNITCHED on his anti-war Comrades TO the CIA-DADDY-BUSH (as did Hillary)
BABYBush — well. property of Skull & Bones— puppet of Cheney & Daddy
Obama CIA ASSET … seemed to rise out of total obscurity (a hallmark of intelligence assets) he has been little more than a CIA asset from his Columbia University days onward.
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Two names, ONE CRIME FAMILY
W-rong Bush calls HILLARY his SISTER IN LAW:
http://www.teaparty.org/bush-hillary-sister-law-71099/
http://redalertpolitics.com/2014/12/07/bush-calls-hillary-clinton-sister-law-says-brother-jeb-beat-2016/
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=bush+clinton+drug+dealers
Alcoholic Barbara Bush says her sons call Mr. Clinton “my brother by another mother.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bush-and-clinton-unlikely-partners-in-crime/
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Americas/article1484263.ece
Now we see the drunk W-rong Bush clinging to Moochelle.
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/127722171#p127722171
TheBush girls and Chelsea are BFFs …. Chelsea also is friends with George Soros’s son.
Remember the Boys murdered in MENA? http://investmentwatchblog.com/billy-jack-haynes-retired-professional-wrestler-speaks-out-drug-running-and-hit-jobs-for-the-clintons/
Bushs and Clintons: partners in crime research the MENA airport research Prescott Bush&NAZIS.
so many rabbit holes so little time
An interesting collection of articles worth perusing.
Waste not your time with a fool God teaches us, you might as well tried pissing into a 90 mph wind without getting wet then try to talk to the fool.
You need to find some new friends , you’re hangin out with a bunch of jerkoffs.
After reading your article, I am reminded of a passage in THE GODFATHER. Don Vito is negotiating with a mobster who is unusually recalcitrant. He finally throws up his hands and says to those around him: “…no one can reason with this man.” And, of course, the stubborn Goombah ends up shot dead in a barber chair within a few days. My question to you, sir, is why would you even socialize and entertain conversations with these individuals? They are not going to evaluate your facts or points of arguments.
This bankrupt, syphilitic country is teetering on the brink. We have had a run-up of divisions for years, paralleling the historical run-up to 1861. Do not waste your time with these fools. They are not going to listen to you. Draw in your circle of friends and acquaintances. Get you and yours prepared for what I and many others fear will happen in the very near future.
I hope my terrible record on predictions will hold. There is talk of a Syrian false flag gas attack all over the place. The predictions are anytime in the next week but surely by next Friday. This time Russia will not stand for it if we bomb Syria again and things might get out of control very fast.
I hope cooler heads will prevail and next Friday passes like any other day. God help us. It’s like McCain striking back from hell.
C for the win!
Trump throws some red meat (modest reforms and a shitload of rhetoric) to nominal conservatives starving for hope, who buy it hook, line, and sinker- and feel Trump is the second coming of Andrew Jackson.
The honeymoon will be over soon enough, if it isn’t already..
Your patience is unfathomable to me when dealing with these idiots. I’d have been in jail.
One comment you made sent me looking for this:
“I often feel faced with a dilemma akin to telling someone it’s raining, and have them not only refuse to believe me, but to also refuse to walk outside.”
Anywho, I tracked it down in an article I read titled “Paradise Lost” at that Silver Bear Café site I read occasionally. Big tough guy down in Texas who looks a bit, well, lumberjacky.
Life’s too short and time’s too dear for that kind of shit. You have my condolences. Good article. Evidently telling you that I’m going to post it is somehow no-no self-promotion, so I won’t tell you anymore, just assume I’ll post them.
Dear Heavens, RG? What is going on? I am not trying to promote JSB down in Texas here… I just think he has a real treasure trove of videos and articles collected for years.
I will back out that comment if I can.
If this NOT about the Silver Bear link, then, well, as Gilda once said, “Never mind.”
You can’t fuck with people and then wonder why they are pissed off, Maggie. You’ve been on a roll lately. Your a freaking wrecking ball. I regret that I have been so blind not to see what was so plain.
The meds? It’s OK, El Calumny. Her tummy hurts. You guys have been on fire lately.
Yeah well calling her bitchy is like calling Hitler bossy. If you follow her trail, she’s gone off on all sorts of males, including the LVN; I wonder if he paid for Sensetti the LVN’s sins. Wishing tiny darts on balls reveals a sadistic hatred of the male species. You can remain fem-pilled if you wish.
He was referring to the above piece, Mags; and Stucky always busting his balls for being born. ?
Okay. I’m still going to stay offline. Healing is top priority. Email me if you need a fall guy.
Turns out the vacuum helps me sit up. Lord have Mercy!
Is Stucky okay? Is something going on in Jersey we need to pray about with gcp? We all know how it touches Stucky to have us praying for him.
Thank you, Robert, for posting my article on your blog, StraightLineLogic.com, where it appears people are able read multifarious articles on current events daily; as well as acquire your novels: “The Golden Pinnacle” and “The Gordian Knot”. ?
ah…. I see it was a courtesy thing betwixt you and he. Glad I didn’t do it. I am glad I took down my promotion of KP’s page. Still, tadpole, the day will be a long hard night here, as I take delivery of a wound vac, which is NOT the simple sponge my surgeon hinted at.
I don’t even like the other kind of vac.
don’t like this one either
But, don’t hate it either now that it is sealed and operating properly.