I agree 100% with the article below. I am sufficiently aggrieved. I think all you Americans reading this story should send me $100 … a very small price for your sins against us Germans.
What is this picture below? Germans guarding some dead Jews?
Nope. American soldier. Dead Germans. Why don’t you google “Rhine Meadows” …. and read about the 19 camps built by America to hold and torture captured Germans. It was worse than a Motel 6.
On second thought ….. you jerks should send me $200.
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Eisenhower’s Starvation Order
By James Bacque
Never had so many people been put in prison. The size of the Allied captures was unprecedented in all history. The Soviets took prisoner some 3.5 million Europeans, the Americans about 6.1 million, the British about 2.4 million, the Canadians about 300,000, the French around 200,000. Uncounted millions of Japanese entered American captivity in 1945, plus about 640,000 entering Soviet captivity.
As soon as Germany surrendered on 8 May 1945, the American Military Governor, General Eisenhower, sent out an “urgent courier” throughout the huge area that he commanded, making it a crime punishable by death for German civilians to feed prisoners. It was even a death-penalty crime to gather food together in one place to take it to prisoners … The order was sent in German to the provincial governments, ordering them to distribute it immediately to local governments. Copies of the orders were discovered recently in several villages near the Rhine … The message [which Bacque reproduces] reads in part: “… under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the local inhabitants in order to deliver them to the prisoners of war. Those who violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of being shot….”
Eisenhower’s order was also posted in English, German and Polish on the bulletin board of Military Government Headquarters in Bavaria, signed by the Chief of Staff of the Military Governor of Bavaria. Later it was posted in Polish in Straubing and Regensburg, where there were many Polish guard companies at nearby camps. One US Army officer who read the posted order in May 1945 has written that it was “the intention of Army command regarding the German POW camps in the US Zone from May 1945 through the end of 1947 to exterminate as many POWs as the traffic would bear without international scrutiny.”
… The [American] army’s policy was to starve [German] prisoners, according to several American soldiers who were there. Martin Brech, retired professor of philosophy at Mercy college in New York, who was a guard at Andernach in 1945, has said that he was told by an officer that “it is our policy that these men not be fed.” The 50,000 to 60,000 men in Andernach were starving, living with no shelter in holes in the ground, trying to nourish themselves on grass. When Brech smuggled bread to them through the wire, he was ordered to stop by an officer. Later, Brech sneaked more food to them, was caught, and told by the same officer, “If you do that again, you’ll be shot.” Brech saw bodies go out of the camp “by the truckload” but he was never told how many there were, where they were buried, or how.
… The prisoner Paul Schmitt was shot in the American camp at Bretzenheim after coming close to the wire to see his wife and young son who were bringing him a basket of food. The French followed suit: Agnes Spira was shot by French guards at Dietersheim in July 1945 for taking food to prisoners. The memorial to her in nearby Buedesheim, written by one of her chidren, reads: “On the 31st of July 1945, my mother was suddenly and unexpectedly torn from me because of her good deed toward the imprisoned soldiers.” The entry in the Catholic church register says simply: “A tragic demise, shot in Dietersheim on 31.07.1945. Buried on 03.08.1945.” Martin Brech watched in amazement as one officer at Andernach stood on a hillside firing shots towards German women running away from him in the valley below.
The prisoner Hans Scharf … was watching as a German woman with her two children came towards an American guard in the camp at Bad Kreuznach, carrying a wine bottle. She asked the guard to give the bottle to her husband, who was just inside the wire. The guard upended the bottle into his own mouth, and when it was empty, threw it on the ground and killed the prisoner with five shots.
….Many prisoners and German civilians saw the American guards burn the food brought by civilian women. One former prisoner described it recently: “At first, the women from the nearby town brought food into the camp. The American soldiers took everything away from the women, threw it in a heap and poured gasoline [benzine] over it and burned it.” Eisenhower himself ordered that the food be destroyed, according to the writer Karl Vogel, who was the German camp commander appointed by the Americans in Camp 8 at Garmisch-Partenkirchen. Although the prisoners were getting only 800 calories per day, the Americans were destroying food outside the camp gate.
https://russia-insider.com/en/history/holocaust-was-what-americans-did-germans/ri25872
The TRUE holocaust…not the phony contrived jewish “holocaust”…bastards
I agree. I am studying James Bacque’s Other Losses, Keeling’s Gruesome Harvest, and Goodrich’s Hellstorm. I also want to read and study John Wear’s Germany’s War.
I thought you were Austrian.
I am. But,I think Austrians are Germanic. Soooo, close enough for government work.
Please send your $200 ASAP.
All native speakers of Germanic languages are Germanic – Germans, Icelanders, Norwegians, Swedes, Danes, Anglo-Saxons, Faroese, etc.. The rest of the world, especially Israel, need to send all of us free shit forever.
AC..
They already give us a lot of Shit. I would take some free stuff though.
The Jews are responsible for WW1 and 2? Well maybe the Rothschilds, but never forget to add the rest of the Globalist Elites who profit from it all.
Stalin and Hitler where both on the same page of demonizing Da Joos, to contrived their Totalitarian rule! I wish you were 18 years old in 1940 Germany or Russia to receive 100% of your Bullshit Assclown!
“Stalin and Hitler where both on the same page of demonizing Da Joos”
Holy fuck, are you ignorant.
Ah, but the Red Sea Pedestrians and their Ashkenazi fellow travelers had hundreds of years to perfect their shtick and beat their victims to the punch! That is chutzpah!
> It was worse than a Motel 6.
Stucky, that was priceless, I’m still laughing…
great post,
thanks.
My Mom is German, an immigrant who came through Ellis Island, she fled post war, but she has never really talked about anything except her youth, growing up on a farm. Her father (my Opa) deserted the Fuher’s army and went to Spain for the duration, leaving Oma and Mom on their own. Eventually, all re-uniting states side.
It is amazing what the previous generation has experienced.
I fear we learn nothing from history.
We learn nothing from history.
Fixed that last line for ya.
After seeing your fellow Americans killed it’s amazing they didn’t just mow everyone down with machine guns.
Yah..
What a cheap horseshit reply.
I suppose you agree with the other Holocaust commited. The one where we fire bombed nearly every city in Germany full of women, kids and old men because Germans killed American soldiers in a war zone. I could go on.
War is hell you idiot! Lesson is DON’T START ONE!! There is no nice war, or just war, or fair war, there is just death and destruction until somebody looses.
DON’T TRY TO DEPRIVE FREE MEN OF THEIR LIFE LIBERTY OR PROPERTY WITHOUT DUE PROCESS and we won’t kill your ass!
capish?
Anano you Moran. They didn’t start it. Everything you learned in school I as a lie.
*Who* started the war? Germany? Complete bullshit.
The 1939 Danzig Massacres
The Polish Bolsheviks kill 58,000 German Nationals in the Danzig corridor In the months leading up to the German invasion the Polish Army and independent Bolshevik units had been slaughtering German nationals in the Danzig corridor. Mass killings of thousands of civilian ethnic Germans (Volksdeutsche) by both civilian and Russian NDVK Jews, who were confident that Poland would quickly defeat Germany. Many apparently expected to take possession of German farms and businesses. An estimated 58,000 German civilians lost their lives in the massacres carried out prior to the 1939 invasion.
Communist Jews murdered 58,000 ethnic German civilians. Jews started the war.
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/aus.politics/eA8GaXR-5Yg/NIBeGI1DDRcJ
https://archive.org/details/WhyDidHitlerInvadePoland-Ww2HiddenHistory
As a reward for allowing the Bolsheviks to murder German civilians in Poland, a big slice of the Polish aristocracy was slaughtered in the Katyn Forest Massacre in 1940, by the Bolsheviks.
https://www.norkarussia.info/uploads/3/7/7/9/37792067/deportation_and_destruction_soviet_germans.pdf
https://library.ndsu.edu/grhc/research/scholarly/meetings_conventions/dr_sinner.html
Open Wound : The Genocide of German Ethnic Minorities in Russia and the Soviet Union: 1915-1949 and Beyond, by Samuel Sinner
What a load of shit. The 58,000 number was German propaganda number. Look up Bloody Sunday for the real story. That 58,000 story was fabricated to justify the invasion. It never happened.
You fucks are clueless.
Amazing. People vote up for a lie put out by CC, and down for a truth that is easily confirmed by even the most cursory of research.
What a bunch of morons.
You are literally incapable of telling the truth.
Anonass- I gave where the facts could be found. The CC shit is fake.
Sure.
Soldiers are one thing, but killing civilians, especially women and children in a city, is not how wars should be conducted. We started doing that, and the Nazis retaliated in kind.
Fleas-Don’t you hate these knee jerked, 8th grade civics based, defiantly ignorant sentiments? If you really care to find out just who it was that ‘started’ the 2 part western world civil war of the 20th Century hear this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tclAbWvBt70&t=16s
Better stay Anonymous, Skippy. It’s easier to hide your IQ.
CC..
Is it me or is TBP being flooded with Mal informed wise asses dropping simplistic one liners like it was fact.
I guess as TBP gets more widely read-a good thing-you get more diverse (there’s than fucking word again) ideas that makes you have to pan out the muck for the gold nuggets.
Bravo, basically the same elitist bastards that started 1 are there for 2 and every other conflict manufactured like the Bullshit that’s the Arab Spring! Gen. Wesley Clark, 7 countries in five years, Gen. Smedley Butler of WW 1 fame said it best in a American Legion speech, War Is A Racket, Google for those that should know the truth! Damn the liars to Hell!
Dresden?
Yes, on February 13-14 (Ash Wednesday), 1945, the Dresden atrocity was committed by the RAF at night and piled on by the Americans the next day. Oh and by the way, Dwight David Eisenhower, Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, stated his absolute hatred of Germans. His beliefs may have been informed by his theological upbringing. Hint: he was not Catholic.
Yes, with the night bombing of February 13, 1945 by the RAF of Dresden being methodically planned to create a firestorm with winds so strong as to draw people in the city attempting to flee into its vortex. The American bombers returned the next day and continued the incineration of German men, women and children. Fighter escorts descended to low altitude and strafed those able to escape the fires.
The book by David Irving, who lived and worked in Germany in a steel factory in the early 1960’s where he first learned of this war crime by the Allies, is, if memory serves me, The Destruction of Dresden and was published in 1963.
Pedro..
You might like The Nameless War by A.H.M Ramsay. The only member of Parlament who was arrested and held without charge for 4 years until he was no longer a threat to Churchill. A trusted aide to Chamberlain, he details the treasonous double dealing leading up to the War including withholding info from Chamberlain and the planned bombing of Germany well before the war. Just 113 pages.
In today’s atmosphere of total lunacy it could be considered ultra fashionable
to excuse the Nazi maniacs as the aggrieved party. If the millions they killed–Jew
and non-Jew alike–could speak we might hear a very different narrative.
You appear to be the product of our lovely public school system…?
I think you meant PUBIC Skool Sicthem.
Are civilians living in a country, even one at war, in other words those men, women and children who occupy a city in that country, are they fair game for annihilation by firebombing, Anonymous?
Echos of Andersonville.
The site was commanded by Captain Henry Wirz, who was tried and executed after the war for war crimes. It was overcrowded to four times its capacity, with an inadequate water supply, inadequate food rations, and unsanitary conditions. Of the approximately 45,000 Union prisoners held at Camp Sumter during the war, nearly 13,000 died. The chief causes of death were scurvy, diarrhea, and dysentery.
The death toll in Lincoln’s POW camps was a war crime. The difference is that Lincoln had the capacity to feed and provide medical care – the SOuth did not. The soldiers at Camp Sumpter (Andersonville was not the actual name ) guarding the prisoners got the same rations as the prisoners. Lincoln was given the opportunity to send rations and supplies to the prisoners at Camp Sumpter but refused. Lincoln is responsible for the deaths of countless Confederate and Union Prisoners. The deaths of German POWs cited in the article are echos of Lincoln’s polices not those of Jefferson Davis.
My father -in-law to his dying day grieved over his part in the firebombing of Dresden. The teenage bombardiers and their 20 something pilots were told that Dresden contained important military targets and thus was a legitimate target. It was only latter they found out it was a lie.There were no militarily targets in Dresden , only tens of thousands of women and children refugees.
He also described that the causality count was deliberately increased via the strategy of firebombing the center of the city first and as people rushed in to fight those fires , the perimeter was firebombing thereby trapping the entire city in flames. No war crimes here, just following orders, as many as Nuremberg claimed , too.
Funny too, how the US used preemptive strikes to combat Communism ( those damn dominoes, falling ) and terrorism whenever the Synagogue of Satan controlled Pentagram declared it, but when Germany resisted the invasion of Bolshevik Russia preemptively , it became an act of war against all the West . Christians mass murdering Christians to save Boslheviks , the sworn enemy of Christ. Satan must have had one monstrous chuckle over that amazing twist of collusion.
Two great reads I recently stumped upon explain it all . WWI and WWII were just one great continuation of a great globalist effort to bring Germany to heel .
If any are interested, the links are here:
Conjuring Hitler: How Britain and America Made the Third Reich
by Guido Giacomo Preparata
https://archive.org/details/ConjuringHitler
Hitler: Born at Versailles (Hitler Century, Vol I/Index Enclosed) Hardcover – December 1, 1987
by Leon Degrelle
https://archive.org/details/BornAtVersailles
PS Empty suit Eisenhower did Patton
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3869117/General-George-S.-Patton-was-assassinated-to-silence-his-criticism-of-allied-war-leaders-claims-new-book.html
Flash…
Well said. Few know that Hitler considered a strong Christian Church and the British Empire to be the best bulwark against Bolshevism because they won’t read Mein Kamph.
Hitler a Christian? Did you just walk of the short bus with Uncle Fester waiting to take you back to your stall?
Fester..
I didn’t say that dikwad, you did. I wrote 27 words and you couldn’t get it right and we’re supposed to trust what you say about it. I said YOU refuse to read what he believed.
The depths of your ignorance really are incomprehensible. You know less than nothing, but seem to think you are an authority.
i grew up in war time and had to go to church believe it or not, not must but should go
Remember Coventry was fire bombed by Hitler first, think what he would of done with the A Bomb!
England bombed Berlin in a night raid first. Learn some history, DA
Dad – you ignorant slut, he said fire bomb. And the Germans fire bombed Coventry first. They did so intentionally.
Do NOT talk to your father like that young man!
Mom – I learned it from you!
A good number more than once, Dad. Watch the David Irving presentations on the subject of his book, Churchill’s War. You may be surprised about what the archives, German, American, Russian and American to name a few, reveal about “the greatest living Englishman”.
Nice, see you got the archive.org link for Degrelle … haven’t read it yet, but it’s on my list.
You’re gonna get every penny the African prince refunds me, Stuck. Every penny. I promise.
Funny. Except there’s always one dumbfuck downvoter. What are the odds for a stupid flake with no sense of humor? 11 to 1. Here’s my down-vote on you, bitch. ? Have a nice day.
Whenever the victors do not entirely exterminate the vanquished, the vanquished can count themselves as fortunate. I don’t give a shit about how bad the Germans (or Russians, or Japanese, or Cubans, or American Indians, etc) had it after they lost. That the victors did not kill every last one of them was a minor tribute to some semblance of civilization. They may not be so fortunate next time.
War is Hell. It is a real bad to start or lose one. When a nation or people find themselves in a war, the only sensible policy is no quarter. None asked, none given. Fight without reserve until you win or lose.
Brian..
That’s a poor argument. Do you have examples of the Victor entirely exterminating a Nation. At some point it goes from war to clubbing baby Fur Seals. How many people have you exterminated while they were begging for mercy. Have you killed anyone who was looking at you and begging for mercy.
As for who started that war. If I wanted to I could make the case that it wasn’t Germany or Japan but Flash beat me to it.
Hitler demonized the Jews to blame for the downfall of Germany in WW1, hitler was a National Socialist not a damned tinkers damned different from Stalin, both totalitarian tyrants! Stick it Clown!
Wayne’s world..
You stick it moron. You fell for that Zionist rot. FUKK OFF.
You are a literal moron.
“Do you have examples of the Victor entirely exterminating a Nation”
Clearly not a student of history, right?
Alexander of Macedon, Ghengis Khan, Cyrus, shall I continue?
They basically kept the women as spoils and thereby bred their enemy out of existence after the vast majority of the men were killed. There are recorded accounts of Alexander putting entire villages to the sword.
People like you actually terrify me if I’m being honest, because the reason we are seeing history starting to repeat is that those ignorant of history are legion once again. Hence the cycle continues…
Keeping the women is not wiping out an entire Nation nor is wiping out a village. Idiots like you scare me too.
For all intents and purposes, this is EXACTLY wiping out a nation. Women were property through most of history, arguably, for a very good reason. They do not build or maintain culture and will gladly protect their lives by offering their bodies to the conqueror.
There is historical precedent for this dating back as far as recorded history and beyond. So yes, killing all the men is nation erasure by any non-pedantic non-spergy definition. You are incapable of this line of reasoning, so like I said. History repeats…
For all intents and purposes my ass. They did or they didn’t. Women are half the gene pool and supply all the blood and tissue. That creates an unbreakable spiritual connection between mother and child. Going door to door and wiping out all the women and children is like clubbing baby Fur Seals and even the worst humans lose their stomach for it. Also, about the spiritual connection to the mother, if you’re mother is a Jew, you are a Jew but not so with the father. You are trying to use book knowledge to discuss this like you a actually know something. You and anon
no-brainer are brain dead.
I agree to a point, but if you take the women, impregnate them with the offspring of the victors, the women will bond to the children of their captors.
Either way, the society is transformed.
Maggie..
In theory yes. Wiping out all the males of an entire NATION is nearly impossible. Displacing a Nation has happened. He said they were lucky the Victor’s didn’t wipe them out completely and that there is plenty of precedent but didn’t provide even one. Further more the mothers would be sure to tell there kids about her people thus keeping the spark alive. They may be different but not eradicated. My contention is that it’s just too difficult to be worth it. By his reasoning everything East of austia should be Mongol. When in fact the Mongols were changed almost as much. Adopting Islam for instance. Not even Paraguay was wiped out entirely. They appeared to me to be justify our atrocities by claiming we were acting humanely or civilized by comparison. Which I don’t buy because none of the others bragged about being the most kind, generous and benovolent country in the world while doing it.
Flea, You did not see anything in my post about who started the war. That is not very important. What matters is who wins the war. Victors and vanquished. I don’t (can’t, really, not being a nation or state) fight or start wars. Nobody begs me for mercy, and I haven’t vanquished anyone. I have had may ass kicked a few times, and kicked a few myself. That none of those fights were to the death says quite a lot about the civilization those fights took place in. Left to their own devices, almost anyone will kill a mortal enemy without mercy or compunction of any sort. I bet you would.
Likely to be a lot more of that going around, by and by.
Brian..
Killing women and children from 2 miles up or going door to door is not killing mortal enemies. It’s sadistic murder.
Amen, and amen Flea.
The Russians have a MIRVed warhead that comes in at hyper speed-undefeatable-and can create a smoking crater from Atlanta, Georgia to Portland, Maine. Or, if detonated off shore will send a 1500′ tsunami up to 900 miles inland while poisoning the ground for as long as the earth circles the sun.
Take a seat john wane. This shit is too important to be left to a 1950 vintage eagle scout.
Totally unnecessary to fuck up all that prime real estate. That same MIRV need never touch the earth or even airburst in low atmosphere. Simply put each of those warheads across the sky in North America and EMP the entire continent back into the Stone Age.
Roll your army in 6 months later when only the feral roaming bands of Mad Max style sociopaths are left and grab some of the best real estate on planet earth.
“Whenever the victors do not entirely exterminate the vanquished, the vanquished can count themselves as fortunate. ”
We lost the war in Vietnam. By your reasoning — if one can call it that — the Vietnamese should have at least taken out the entire West Coast.
Until you are the one, not in uniform, about to be beaten to death by the punks from the other country who happened to defeat your country…
https://www.freespeech-time.com/2018/03/germany-state-of-emergency-declared-as.html
you started the shit Germany, don’t fuck with free men, we will kill you and your children!
Uh, Joe. Have you read any verified history from real historians?
How did Hitlers SS treat their captives? What is this shit! Hitler murdered Millions, What Thou Soweth So Shall You Reap!
By the way, how come all the German prisoners that were released have said nothing of this? Oh the poor SS maybe have a pissing pal!
A holocaust is what the Germans did to the Russian POWs, where the Germans starved and killed over 3.3 million Russians. Now that is a Holocaust.
Compare the Rhine Meadows deaths, where legitimate historians claim 3000 – 4500 deaths, not the lies that Basque promulgated, to the 3.3 million plus Russians killed. Hell, even take his numbers, which he claims to be in the hundreds of thousands, and compare that to the 3.3 million Russians dead at the hands of the Germans. That was out of around 5.5 million Russian POWs. That is a real holocaust.
Conversely, out of around 3 million German POWs in Russian hands, as many as 1 million may have died. Now that too is a Holocaust.
Reputable scholars (not Bacque figures which have been discredited by every legitimate scholar on the subject) on Rhine Meadows, put the death figures for Rhine Meadows between 3000 and 4500. That is not a holocaust, but it is disgraceful.
The Germans and Russians were fucking animals. The American soldiers were compassionate in comparison.
It is disgraceful to compare Americans to the Germans. There was no holocaust at Rhine Meadows, but it was horrific. But there sure were holocausts committed by the Germans and Russians.
Basque is not a legitimate historian. People should do some actual research.
Reputable historians and legitimate scholars according to whom? Wisdom can always justify her children.
“The Germans and Russians were fucking animals. The American soldiers were compassionate in comparison. ”
The schools in The Res must not have had history teachers. But, you made up for it by reading some Joo authors.
Let ‘er rip!!!
The Americans were just as disreputable as the Germans and Russian. Don’t kid yourself.
This shit tale is disgusting! Tell me the difference between Hitler and Stalin? If SS soldiers were marched off and X on the spot these bastards had no problem committing such crimes themselves! What is this praise of Totalitarian Bullshit!! You are claiming Americans are Drone State Run Murderers? You are full of Shit!
Go read some real history books. Everything you think you know about WWII is a lie.
Yes, Wayne. Obummer ordered many executions by drone. Now collect your 50 cents from Soreass.
Don’t forget the torture. Remember Abu Grahib.
Stuckmaster, noooo! What a load of crap! The tales of James Bacque (a canadian Journalist-have I to say more?) have been debunked in multiple researches.
There have been deaths- for sure ! Maybe 100.000 1945/1946 but never ever near a million. Where would you place 1 million corpses? You were operating in a vastly destroyed continent at that time as a military Chief! No infrastructure, no transport capacity, no agriculture.
The nourishment of 2 to 3 million POW was a nightmare and the american and british strategy was to let go most of the people ASAP. A lot of serious NAZI guys could escape the examinations and were able to live a new life as bureaucrats of the new Bundesrepublik.
To stick the allied forces with a holocaust tag in this case is utter nonsense!
Whatever makes you feel better about Saint America.
I keep saying it to the point I feel like a scratch record . We have been betrayed and lied to about everything we thought we knew.Our history is full of lies. The Heliocentric model of the universe is a lie. It’s all lies.
America is going to deserve everything that’s coming to it. This country is going to burn like no other in history and it should.
“This country is going to burn like no other in history and it should.”
Replace the word country with world and I’m in absolute agreement.
Very interesting read Stucky.
Stuck..
Too many will fully ignorant Soros Trolls for my blood pressure. I’m out here. Good luck.
If you give up you let the trolls take over.
Dors – the shit people post as fact from discredited historians as fact is legend around here. That Stuck has bought into this load of crap is astonishing. I think he has lost his fucking marbles.and of course he is joined by all resident conspiracy trolls in his fairytale.
Hellstorm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-TEamhLBk
I am glad that a relatively ‘normie’ website would post this. TBP has become less ‘normie’ over the past two year. When I contemplate the enormity of America’s sins, it’s greatest being first, patricide and then, fratricide, I shudder to imagine the punishment that will befall it.
I have pretty much decided that there is no way to know truth about anything anymore unless I was at said historical event myself. Even your so called “eyewitness” testimony will be full of half truths. Even when you believe you are telling the truth your eyes can lie to you and your memory is faulty.
My grandfather was German. I’m not giving you a dime.
“I have pretty much decided that there is no way to know truth about anything anymore…”
There is revealed truth we can rely upon MC.
John 14:6 KJB… “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
That’s it, GCP. But the words of scripture have been twisted by so many people to support evil acts we must rely on the Spirit to guide us and try to avoid suppressing him.
Does this position not open the door to private interpretation; to the possibility that God could potentially say something to me and not to you?
This is the process by which religions are formed. No?
We already privately interpret, pastor. It’s unavoidable. I try not to have my scripture filtered by religions. I’m not out on my own. I like Dr Micheal Heiser.
Then Gods Word isn’t. And truth can’t be known.
Here are just a few historians that have said that Bacque is full of crap:
David Stafford, Edinburgh U., Center for the Study of 2 world wars, prof. Emeritus, school of history
Rudolph Rummel, professor of political science who taught at the Indiana University, Yale University, and University of Hawaii.
Simon MacKenzie, phd Oxford, military historian, pfof. U of South Carolina, Templar Medal winner in military history
Stephen Ambrose, prof of history, U of New Orleans, who states “With regard to another of Mr. Bacque’s conclusions, he arrives at his sensational figure of one million dead through a system of analysis that has left almost everyone who has tried to check his statistics and methods befuddled. He did make one mistake because of a typing error by a clerk. He saw a figure of 70,000 prisoners in an Army medical report and then calculated the total death rate for all prisoners in American hands on the basis of that number and the 21,000 deaths also mentioned in the report. That is, he arrived at his most basic conclusion, a death rate in all camps of 30 percent, by dividing the 21,000 deaths by the 70,000 prisoners. However, the 70,000 figure should have been 10 times higher. All other figures in the document make it clear that the correct number of prisoners was 700,000. This would make the death rate not 30 percent but 3 percent…In fact, as Albert Cowdrey of the Department of the Army’s Center of Military History reported to the conference, the overall death rate among German prisoners was 1 percent.”
Arthur Smith, Prof Cal State
His review of Bacque: http://articles.latimes.com/1990-05-13/books/bk-109_1_satanic-verses
Günter Bischof, Austrian American historian
Here is an article totally obliterating Bacque’s bullshit: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/book-review-the-massacre-of-truth-1247922.html
And who is Bacque? A novelist with zero backround in doind historical scholarship, no advanced degrees or experience in the field.
I have seen some horrible sources quoted on TBP, and I have seen sheeple buy into some seriously fake shit.
But I never thought the day would come that Stuck would be one of those.
That is pathetic.
And I repeat, to compare US soldier behavior in WW2 to that of the Germans is a damn disgrace. The Germans committed mass atrocities, and there is not a US equivalent of their actions anytime, anywhere.
Really? The US almost completed the genocide of the American Indian.
That was a blight on the history of the US. But the reality is disease was by far the major cause of the wipeout – smallpox, measles, rtc., wiped the Indians out. That was not intentional, but was also probably not lamented by many. And half the population of the US was against what happened, as a matter of record. It was never a case like what the Germans and Russians did to each other. It was bad, but it was not nearly that bad. Those figures are ghastly, with millions dying as POWs.
I’ve read about some pretty bad shit done to the AI.
No doubt about it.
The U.S. intentionally killed American Indians,removed them from their homeland to the unknown West, just like they intentionally killed American Southerners during the War Between the States and during Reconstruction. In fact, that war gave them idea for the Indians. America has committed numerous atrocities in its past, and it continues to do so today.
LLoph – As the poster boy for Affirmative Action you illustrate the evil Affirmative Action has inflicted on the US. Read the following Essay and the 500 plus comments. It will take several hours if you read for comprehension.
http://www.unz.com/article/german-soldiers-of-world-war-ii/
That story talks about the resolve and discipline of the German soldier. I understand that. Never questioned it. I am not one of the above who called for their annihilation.
But riddle me this – how the fuck did three plus million Russian POWs die at the hands of the Germans? What about the other concentration camps? I guess German soldiers were not involved. To compare the US soldier in any way to the brutality of the acts committed by German soldiers is disgraceful, and anyone with any sense knows it to be true.
And what affirmative action are you speaking of? I am too old to have benefitted by that shit. What I got I earned. SATs of over 1400, taken as a sophomore, back when that really meant something and were not devalued, top of my HS class in the best school in Oregon, Oregon Scholar, National Merit Scholar, recipient of named scholarships, GMAT of 750 entering into grad school, IQ of 150 +, graduated Ivy league in 3 years, studied at King’s College, University of Granada, etc. Ran large manufacturing organizations before age 30. Yup, I sure was helped by Affirmative Action. You are a moron.
I love it when dickheads like you and boatguy and others, when unable to address arguments, create shit and narratives out of thin air. That is some unethical bullshit right there.
Nobody here does unethical better than you.
Anonymous moron joins the fray. If you want to post any examples attesting to that, feel free. I gave a concrete example of my allegations. You, not so much.
You obviously did not read Unz essay. Typical of ignorant savages who claim a resume equal to “On the internet no one knows you’re a dog.”
The US has committed more atrocities than any nation on the Planet. If you can lower yourself to actually read something that contradicts your mystically derived beliefs before ad hominem attacks. https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/us_atrocities.md
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You know Roy, what you are saying is that no Indian can succeed in their own merits.
Now, many times the term is bandied about without due cause, but fact is, in this case you meet the exact definition.
You are racist. You deem it impossible that I earned what I have achieved. That is the exact definition of racist.
Re reading, I read the first article. It told me nothing new, and my brief synopsis is accurate.
Re your ridiculous claims about the US commuting more atrocities than any other, I suppose you must be ignorant of the histories of Russia and China, as recent points of reference.
I am not a believer in the US as a saintly entity. Quite the contrary. I was specific in my reference to Germans and Russians in WW2.
You obviously did not read Unz essay. Typical of ignorant savages who claim a resume equal to “On the internet no one knows you’re a dog.”
The US has committed more atrocities than any nation on the Planet. If you can lower yourself to actually read something that contradicts your mystically derived beliefs before ad hominem attacks. https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/us_atrocities.md
Roy – your Alzheimers is kicking in. You already said that. Better get back on your meds, and your Racists R Us subscription needs renewing.
Btw – you are right, many on the internet lie about things. I have many years history on this site. I think my body of work attests to my bona fides, but feel free to believe what you want. However, make unsubstantiated statements about an individual based solely on their race, that defines racism. Want to talk in general terms about Indians, be my guest, as I am deeply aware of their general shortcomings.
But any individual needs to be taken on their own merit. There are individuals from every race and background that buck the trends. Take you for instance. Based on your comments, a racist Indian would draw the conclusion that all whites are morons.
Wow. Impressive credentials!!! The only thing you left out is the size of you dick. (You should lie about that.)
Nevertheless, we are duly impressed and humbled to be in your presence.
Guess all you conspiracy theorists cannot abide what real historians say. Go figure.
Flash- Excellent post about Dresden.
Loopey- Good job calling out this disinfo for profit. (BL)
BL – there is no foundation in fact to any of it. It is amazing that Stuck says he agrees with this fairytale. Iwould have thought his investigative skills would have been up to the task of checking the assclown out that invented this stuff. The assclown based almost the entirety of his book on a known typographical error. That is amazing in its incompetence and stupidity.
“The Germans committed mass atrocities, and there is not a US equivalent of their actions anytime, anywhere”
Are you aware of the firebombings of civilians in cities of non-strategic importance by the RAF and the American Army Air Corps like those of Dresden, Hamburg and Cologne to name just three from WWII? The Bomber Command acknowledged it was an exercise designed to terrorize the citizens of Germany.
No jingoist wants to talk about the unnecessary invasion of Normandy or the mass rape of women that ensued
OVERLORD: The Unnecessary Invasion
By
William F. Moore
Lieutenant Colonel, USAF
The massive allied invasion of Normandy in June 1944 was not necessary for the military defeat of Germany. The German Army had already been destroyed on the eastern front, and the German war industry was being devastated by the combined bombing offensive. According to Trumbull Higgins,
When the British were finally compelled by their Allies to invade France in 1944, it was an invasion essentially undertaken in the self-interest of the West, the terrible risk of the collapse of the Soviet Union having long since passed. At this date the Red Army no longer needed more than Western supplies with which to occupy eastern Europe. (4:283)
The Normandy invasion was simply too late to be of meaningful assistance to the Russians. In fact, Stalin had conceded that is was no longer necessary.
D-Day GIs ‘raped and killed their French allies while US army generals turned a blind eye’
“When French outrage eventually forced action, a series of kangaroo courts resulted in 153 prosecutions for sex offences and 29 soldiers being hanged for rape, 77 per cent of them were black GIs. The military had to send for an executioner from Texas to perform the hangings as the French capital punishment system was still the guillotine and they had no technicians skilled in the use of the noose ”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/422860/D-Day-GIs-raped-and-killed-their-French-allies-while-US-army-generals-turned-a-blind-eye
Not to mention the nuclear bombings of Japan when they were already trying to surrender.
“The Germans committed mass atrocities, and there is not a US equivalent of their actions anytime, anywhere.” ———- Chief LoopyDope
These already have been mentioned by several people …. but apparently your skull is too thick to absorb the info. Let’s try one more time;
—We dropped ATOMIC BOMBS on two cities that had little to no military value …. especially at that late stage in the war.
— Literal tornadoes of fire upon Dresden, mostly civilians and a city with little to no military value.
— In more modern times … we literally destroy nations, Libya for example, killing directly and indirectly tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands …….. for no other fucking reason than not liking their leader(s).
I don’t understand you. Are you willfully blind to some of the very bad things America has done, or are you just plain stupid?
“I have seen some horrible sources quoted on TBP, and I have seen sheeple buy into some seriously fake shit. ….. But I never thought the day would come that Stuck would be one of those.”
Maybe Bacque is full of crap. In fact, I will concede that he is!
That really doesn’t change the argument regarding the Eisenhower, his utter disdain for Germans, and the actions he took. In fact, there are MANY OTHER BOOKS related to this topic — with pretty much the same conclusion. Does that surprise you … that there are other books that make similar claims?
So now you’re a numbers guy? Whining and moaning about 58,000 …. “IT WASN’T 58,000 YA FUCKEN ASSHOLES!!!! ”
Funny thing about numbers. It works both ways. You see, when someone says “It wasn’t 6 million who were killed.”, then YOU go batshit-crazy over that as well.
Not the state approved propaganda like Loopy promotes, but two more must reads on the subject of why hows and whys of Two World Wars that gave unleashed the scourge of Bolshevism on all Christendom. Heathen Red Asses will poo poo because their victim-hood always take precedence over any ability to reason.
Churchill, Hitler, and “The Unnecessary War”: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World
Great Wars and Great Leaders: A Libertarian Rebuttal
https://mises.org/library/great-wars-and-great-leaders-libertarian-rebuttal
Remember when Britain declared war on Germany because Hitler invaded Poland, then Churchill gave Poland to Stalin so he could mass murder the Poles at will. That was funny.
I’ve read about this before. It’s absolutely disgusting was the U.S. military did.
Talk about a shitfest…..lol. You really started one this time.
MC,
After I popped onto it late in the game I dug a deep fighting hole and put my flack jacket on…a lot of shrapnel flying around…some of it friendly fire.
“And I repeat, to compare US soldier behavior in WW2 to that of the Germans is a damn disgrace. ” —- Llpoh
That is such a totally ignorant, stupid, disgusting, moronic statement that I’m not even going to address Chief Not-As-Smart-As-He-Thinks directly. Instead, I put it directly to you readers.
Let me tell you about the German soldier I knew very well. He was my father.
— He wasn’t a Nazi.
— In fact, he despised Hitler.
— He did not volunteer to fight, he was conscripted … at gunpoint.
— He fought on the Russian front …. eventually he was captured by the Russians, & almost died in prison camp.
— He was a mortar guy with his grenade launcher
— He guesses he probably killed a few Russians that way in battle, but he wasn’t sure because of the distance
— He never raped anyone
— He never put anyone in a oven
— He never murdered a child, or a woman
— He was just a grunt, poor as dirt, thrown into a war he hated, by leaders he hated and who really didn’t give a flying fuck about him, a war which separated him from his own parents forever, a war which changed him and fucked him up good and hard for a loooong time, where he was terrified all the time, but did not commit terror.
I’m guessing that he was just like YOUR dad …. the American soldier.
Soldiers …. they’re just cannon fodder for those in power. I don’t give a damn which side they’re on. My dad realized this and became a staunch pacifist after the war. So much so that my mom told me (just recently) that when I told them I was going into the USAF, that my dad cried alone in the bedroom that night.
In closing, I am NOT denying that Germans committed atrocities. I just don’t know how many? Do you? Does anyone, really? I think the vast number of soldiers were like my father, or yours, just wanting the fucking horrid war to end, and to lead normal lives.
Some of us have been communicating on the coming war and Iraqinazation of Venezuela. Look at some pictures of Iraqi cities or Nagasaki to get an idea.
Thierry Meyssan has an article about it on Int. Clearinghouse.
The Terrible Forthcoming Destruction of the Caribbean Basin.
Goes hand in hand with this post and especially some of the Brain Dead replies.
What we seem to have is people using info by Illegitimate Scholars from Illegitimate Institutions creating Illegitimate Studies for public consumption.
Anyone condoning our mass Sadistic Murder cannot also claim to be a free or independent thinker.
I have read about this. My German cousin (1st once removed) was born in ’35 and won’t talk about what happened to the German women and teenage girls under occupation. A good series to read are the station books by David Downing. One can get a feel of how things were in Berlin after the war ended. Of course all the Germans that were too young to fight were massive guilt tripped about the chosen people. I know a woman who went to Israel after it was formed to work on a kibbutz as an atonement for her people’s sins. In the 80s there was massive pushback from young Germans that refused the collective guilt.
https://www.goodreads.com/series/60323-john-russell-effi-koenen
No one mentions the hundreds of thousands of the millions of Germans that died when they were forced from their ancestral homelands in Eastern Europe back into Germany.
ANYONE who is willing to slay another human being is (spiritually speaking) a COCKROACH. All of our (USA) past war-time leaders and “Presidents” were vile cockroaches … INCLUDING Truman who decided that the ONLY alternative was to drop ATOMIC BOMBS on Japanese cities and allow untold hundreds of thousands of innocent beings (including children , infants and the elderly) to have their live bodies incinerated. Even if it came down to “American lives” or “Japanese lives”, it STILL was NOT the thing to do of course IF you had an ounce of “TRUTH” in your soul. This INSECT mentality will keep a soul on the revolving wheel of reincarnation, over and over and over and over again, UNTIL the spiritually DEAD “human” awakens spiritually . America’s “leadership” revealed it’s TRUE colors (desperately wicked heart) AFTER WW2 ended. In any case, the ENTIRE world lies in DARKNESS, with the exception of the truly “enlightened”. To KILL (under ANY circumstances) is to remain in the animal kingdom … EVOLVE.