A car company in Central China has claimed that it has built a hydrogen powered vehicle that’s capable of traveling up to 500km using only water as power, according to the South China Morning Post.
The vehicle was made by Qingnian Cars in Henan province and made its first drive on Wednesday of last week when local Communist Party chiefs visited the plant. The vehicle has reportedly not been tested over longer distances, but Ping Qingnian, the company’s CEO, said that it could go 300 to 500km using 300 to 400 liters of water as fuel.
Qingnian said: “The cost [of research and development] is a trade secret that I cannot reveal. We achieved this at a low cost, this is our company’s technology.”
“The water that we are using is ours, we don’t have to go to the Middle East to buy [petrol]. Water is not polluting either,” Pang continued, explaining that the engine ran on a chemical reaction using a catalyst applied to a mixture of aluminum powder and water. He said the company could recycle the reactants used in the process.
Hydrogen continues to “gain steam” in the new energy vehicles market, but still remain far less mainstream than electric vehicles. These vehicles generally react hydrogen and oxygen to power an electric motor. To fuel with water alone, the water has to undergo electrolysis, which creates hydrogen power.
Many hydrogen cars in the past have been debunked or written off as not cost efficient or energy efficient. Qingnian’s vehicle was confirmed by an official from the Nanyang Bureau of Industry and Information Technology as “only a prototype” and the car is not in mass production yet.
The company has been developing the technology with Hubei University of Technology since 2006.
Jiang Feng, a professor of material sciences at Xian Jiaotong University responded to widespread skepticism on the web: “If you don’t understand it, at least you should have a tolerant attitude toward it. I think making emotionally charged comments is inappropriate.”
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Physics are physics. Hydrogen is a product of energy expenditure, not an energy source.
Thank you, Steve.
the composition of the sun is 75 percent hydrogen and 25 percent helium.
???
Fusion.
Oh.
Well, once it’s perfected the oil industry can quash that, too.
Now that is a classic face of someone you cannot trust. Either you see it or you don’t, I’m pretty sure at this point that ability is akin to being able to pitch a baseball at 90mph+ or roll your tongue.
You will not see a Chinese car that is powered by water in your lifetime. Absolute fugazi.
But you can always trust this one?
“Oh, you’re a tough guy, Jeb”. Classic line. Killed the “next in line” candidate dead.
No.
They have a dozen Chinamen pedaling the car – and they drink the water.
Let’s pretend for a brief moment this is true.
Then one hopes it does this magic with readily available salt water from the oceans, because
Last I heard, the world’s fresh water sources are a dwindling resource, just as oil is.
Dude needs to get some sleep.
He makes baggy eyes Georgie look almost normal, by comparison.
Face has more bags on it than the luggage carousel for Arrivals at O’Hare.
http://rexresearch.com/hyfuel/garrett/garrett.htm
Skip to 1:30 – see the Kneegrow sitting in the car – he’s working on a watermelon powered car.
Soon after this, Meyer ran out of a restaurant hollering, “I’ve been poisoned!” and collapsed. The authorities ruled his death was from natural causes (arsenic is natural, I suppose.) The tech then fell off the face of the earth. Nothing suspicious there.
How much water??? WOW!
Now the oil companies will buy all the water and sell it for $2.75 a gallon.
They’re doing better than that already. Go to any gas station. Ounce for ounce to water is the most expensive thing they sell. Gas, oil, Beer, soda, nope, it’s the bottled water
Water power thru a catalytic reaction sounds feasible “BUT”
What is the return ? At 8 pounds per gallon you are moving a great deal of weight out of the chute . Sure there is an energy curve of maximum output to input . However I do not see this moving 40,000 pounds of goods to market . Like the Tesla , cool car neat idea for small payload for 300 miles then 1 to 4 hours to refuel .
We still have not seen the bang for the buck that petroleum based fuels gives us . However rather than pursuing the corn alcohol nonsense the original Diesel engine ran on peanut oil and there bio fuels in the think tanks including filtering spent deep fat fryer oil .
Perhaps the water engine process is something to examine however there are probably better alternatives and boondoggle alcohol thinning our petroleum fuels is really not cost effective and in a word “STUPID” that’s why Washington is all for it !
Boater- This is for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqLpqROSPnQ
One more try….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_e9WAO1IO8
The Chinks got nothing new with the water powered car.
Thanks guys , a vehicle that every time I turn the key 3 oil sheiks stand and cheer leaving a carbon footprint like big foot !
Boater- Had a little technical trouble above. I have been posting water powered vehicles for several years.
He really doesn’t look like Hyde from That 70s show, but he sure sounds like him. Time to throw beer cans at him.
Shirt and tie combo – Fail
So the math on the volume of water per distance traveled is about 1 liter to 1 kilometer. That’s a LOT of water and works out to . . . 3.78 liters per gallon; 1.6 kilometers per mile . . . 3.78/1.6 = 2.3 miles per gallon.
2.3 mpg
2.3
two point three
. . .
And a full tank is 800 lbs.
So China has their own Elon Musk? LMAO
Stanley Meyers.
I think that car is more likely running on bullshit.
I invented a car that runs entirely off of beer. The sad part is after 15 miles you can’t keep the damn thing between the lines. It’s like trying to drive by the braille method !
Buck – no way that will ever work. I would drink all the fuel before it can ever make it into the car.
You use cheap stuff to run the car…the good stuff goes in the cooler…to run you .
Buck – you do not understand. I have NEVER met a beer so bad I would pour it into a car. That is a sin against God.
LLPOH…..a little story . I starting having a beer or so at 14. My buddies and I get someone to buy us beer. My buddies and I would drink a couple on a Saturday night down by the railroad tracks close to my neighborhood. At that time my favorite beer was Miler in the bottle. Now this was 1973…no craft beers etc. Bud was the king and with the exception of a few imports most beer was crap.
My dad and I had worked all day in the yard one summer day,it was hot,we were tired and sweaty . I was 16 at the time of this event. My taste for beer was set on Miller. Well my dad wasn’t much of a drinker but he decided that it was time for that father/son beer . He asked me,” Son,want a beer ” ? Sure I told him. Wow..a beer, cool. So he went into the house and emerged with two beers. He pops the top on mine and hands it to me. What was it…..a Red,White and Blue beer. It was the cheapest crap on the planet. Heck even the wino’s wouldn’t drink that horse piss .I choked it down . I went out with my buddies and had a real beer that night…Miller in the bottle !
So yes there is beer that I’ll have to pass on…horse piss beer .
You can drink the beer – and have the car run on piss.
Dutchman,
When you put it in the tank…I can agree on the faster, faster, faster method…but what do you do when the car screams deeper, deeper, deeper???
Such bullshit. I vaguely recall seeing water-as-fuel-for-cars in Popular Mechanics …. in the 1970s. Really.
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Here’s the deal, people: There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch.
There is energy in water. Chemically, it’s locked up in the atomic bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. When the hydrogen and oxygen combine, whether it’s in a fuel cell, internal combustion engine running on hydrogen, or a jury-rigged pickup truck with an electrolysis cell in the bed, there’s energy left over in the form of heat or electrons. That’s converted to mechanical energy by the pistons and crankshaft or electrical motors to move the vehicle.
Problem: It takes exactly the same amount of energy to pry those hydrogen and oxygen atoms apart inside the electrolysis cell as you get back when they recombine inside the fuel cell. The laws of thermodynamics haven’t changed, in spite of any hype you read on some blog or news aggregator. Subtract the losses to heat in the engine and alternator and electrolysis cell, and you’re losing energy, not gaining it–period.
Rest of article (I beat Uncola to the punch … hahahaha!) here;
———- https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a3428/4271579/
All true.
You could get the Hydrogen to run a fuel cell from natural gas without violating the laws of thermodynamics; but that would defeat the purpose for the watermelons.
The purpose for watermelons is to believe in that free lunch, and to profit from convincing others that lunch is free.
Besides which, it’d be easier to just use cng to fuel the car, which we won’t do anyway.
Stucky – There WAS a video by a guy who used a galvanized nail and muriatic acid to make hydrogen, and his point was to show how volatile hydrogen is. From the cap on the jug – a gallon if I recall correctly – of acid with the nail in it, he ran a plastic tube about fifty yards away; on the end of the plastic tube was a small glass tube, and he put a flame to it. It burned just like a candle. For awhile, a couple of hours, all time-lapsed. Then he showed the jug of acid as it reached “critical” level, the point where the mixture had “boiled off” about two-thirds of the original contents – the pressure reversed, sucked the flame through the tube, and exploded.
Can’t find the video now. Wonder why. And why are the Tesla cops are here?
As described in the article, it actually does make sense from a chemical point of view: here is the reaction being implied in the article:
2Al + 6H2O → 2Al(OH)3 + 3H2
This is analog of a reaction many high school students see demonstrated:
2Na + 2H2O → 2NaOH + H2
The latter reaction proceeds without a catalyst, and is extremely exothermic and explosive as the hydrogen gas is ignited the instant it is formed by the hot metal surface.
Aluminum powder also reacts with water, but is a less vigorous reaction- you can heat the system to get it started, but a catalyst would make the process safer to handle as you don’t want the hydrogen produced to ignite spontaneously. So, the idea of using this system to produce hydrogen in situ as a fuel isn’t implausible at all.
However, what the article isn’t telling you is this- you can’t mine aluminum powder- you mine the oxides and have to use a hell of a lot of energy to reduce the oxides to actual aluminum metal. In other words, you aren’t powering the car with water- you are powering it with energy intensive aluminum metal.
Oh great. Now Kuntzler will start writing about peak water.
They don’t call clean drinking water, Blue Gold in other parts of the world for nothing!
Sam Kinison called.
Ha Ha Ha Laughing out loud! Big Time! thank GOD I wasn’t eating anything……
Shoot, Shot, Shit…I have been spitting out red wine much of this thread!
Not a new concept.
Car makers in Japan are cross-licencing this tech seen in the video.
First they do more research and improvements, then comes a release.
Would you buy a used car from that guy?
True or not, a TRULY FREE MARKET in energy and transportation, would have delivered a multitude of far superior cars (and energy technology) to the marketplace by now. Instead, government violence and power has been employed on behalf of the status quo and on behalf of new upstarts pandering to political agendas.
Hydrogen as a fuel source is certainly viable. Superior catalyst technology could allow lower direct energy consumption to achieve the cracking of the water molecule, but who knows what these folks are really up to. For sure, if this technology is in any way real, and is any sort of threat to the big three automakers, the oil industry, Tesla, or similar, it will NEVER be allowed on US roads in our lifetime. That is the beauty of crony-capitalism (not having to worry about your position in the marketplace).
I once read an article about the production and uses for nano-sized metal particles, near-atom sized metal powders. One of the people involved in the production side said his company doesn’t produce aluminum powder. He said people trying to produce nano aluminum usually wind up with a big smoking hole in the ground.
Irwin Corey explained this 40 years ago. We just haven’t been listening.