Authored by Daisy Luther via The Organic Prepper blog,
How many times have you seen a gun control debate in which someone chimes in, “Nobody needs an AR-15. What are you going to do, hunt deer with it?” It’s been a busy year for gun control advocates, passing draconian law after draconian law.
Sometimes it’s part of a heartfelt essay, like this, which is just another essay where a man bloviates about his views on high-velocity weapons.
There is no place for high-velocity weaponry in the hands of the citizenry. No number of lengthy oratories by National Rifle Association leadership and pandering politicians will ever justify the deaths this nation has already endured. “Every Marine a Rifleman” is an adage for Marines, not for civilians. We are no longer under the oppressive rule of a foreign king, and it is folly to think that by keeping civilians from such weapons that we risk our republic. We risk nothing more than offending the bloated gun lobby in Washington. But by doing nothing, we continue to risk our children’s lives. (source)
The author of that piece feels that since a pistol isn’t a match for an AR-15, nobody but police and military should be allowed to have one.
But that’s exactly why we should be able to own guns like AR-15s.
A disabled gentleman in Summerfield, Florida demonstrated exactly why one needs an AR-15 last Wednesday when he handily dealt with four home invaders who thought he was a soft target.
Deputies got the call at 8:21 p.m. Wednesday and went to the home at 14999 SE 32nd Court Road in response to a report of shots fired.
Sgt. Micah Moore found Doyle with a gunshot wound and a shotgun next to him on the ground. Deputies entered the home and found Jackson dead on the dining room floor. Detectives said he was wearing a “Jason” mask on top of his head, gloves on both hands, jeans and a black shirt.
Near Jackson’s head was a semi-automatic pistol, detectives said.
Continuing into the home, deputies found the 61-year-old homeowner in a bedroom.
He had an AR-15 rifle on his legs and was bleeding from a gunshot wound to the stomach, according to sheriff’s officials. Doyle and the homeowner were transported to Ocala Regional Medical Center, where Doyle died.
Deputies continued to search the area.
Deputy Austin Coon and K-9 Deputy Alberto Gago, with his dog Nitro, found Rodriguez and Hamilton in the 15000 block of Southeast 36th Avenue, according to arrest reports. Rodriguez was hiding in tall grass on the side of the road.
He was wearing sweat pants and a purple shirt. Hamilton was wearing all black clothing.
Deputies said the men were sweating. (source)
I’ll bet they were sweating when they discovered how outmatched they were. Here’s what went down. Police have opted not to name the brave homeowner.
The homeowner told Detective Travis O’Cull that, about an hour before the shooting, a male who he barely remembers from a past Craigslist transaction, knocked on the front door, according to sheriff’s officials.
The homeowner said he did not open the door but saw the male peering through a back sliding-glass door. He said he asked the male what he was doing and was told he needed help with his vehicle.
The homeowner said he told the individual he was disabled and couldn’t help him. That person then left and [the] homeowner went to sleep.
The homeowner told the detective he was awakened by a loud noise and grabbed his AR-15, which was near his bed. He saw a masked person inside the home, he said, and he and the intruders exchanged gunfire. He said he shot at the man in the mask and at a second person coming toward him.
The homeowner said it was Jackson who shot him. (source)
If ever there was a case for being ready to defend one’s home, this is it.
The other two suspects were interviewed and then placed under arrest.
Two of the four of the suspects have criminal records. Local police say that the homeowner faces no charges and that he’s done nothing to prevent him from owning guns. He is in stable condition, recovering at the hospital.
Here are the mug shots of the alleged home invaders.
Are you prepared to defend YOUR home?
I’ve written before about why preppers need guns, but it’s important to note that you need guns in good times too if you intend to defend yourself. This story is a perfect example of why. There’s no ongoing disaster or SHTF event happening in Summerfield, Florida. It was just an ordinary night in July…until 4 people allegedly decided to invade an innocent man’s home.
If the homeowner had not had greater firepower, this story probably would have had a very different ending. Imagine taking on 4 armed home invaders with a Glock.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why people actually do need AR-15s. We must be prepared to defend our homes and our families because when you need the police in seconds, they’re only minutes away.
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Use whatever guns you’re comfortable and skilled with. Multiple rounds did the trick here, and AR’s are a good home defense choice.
I am not an expert, but my research has found there is a debate between and AR 15’s and 12 gauge shot gun shooting 00 shot for home defense. I lean towards the shot gun my self.
The limitation with the shot gun is about 5 rounds. That’s why 30 round magazines are very handy. BTW, I do think a shotgun is a very capable home defense weapon.
Steve,6 one chambered and lets not forget the Kel-tec/Saigas(not the video player)15+ round toys.That said,have a Mossy 500/6 round chambered with 18″ barrel,probably be fine(if not,things have really gone wrong!).Things that wrong got me to me other items!
My semiauto Benelli M1 is 7+1 with an extended tube.
In close quarters like this I would say advantage shotgun.
I agree with those who say to use that with which you are familiar and comfortable. FWIW you will not find many things which fire faster with less recoil than the good old .30 Carbine. It has more the twice the foot pounds of energy as the vaunted .45 acp. Short and handy, easy to load and charge even with arthritis etc. 15 or 30 round GI mags. Soft point rounds are simply wicked.
Like the 30 rounds but appreciate the 12 gauge too .
The shot gun is less likely to carry into a neighbors home but in close quarters will cut down a miscreant handily . It appears in this case a 223 round has enough room to expend its energy .
It’s amazing the perps all appear to have a touch of color but one
Yeah – it’s really “amazing” how it happened that the perps were 3 niggers and a pond-scum hanger-on.
Even old Hunting shotguns like the 870 wingmaster can easily have an extender put on and the plug taken out. Then you have 7 shots. All kinds of variant shotguns that come standard with 8+
The real question with shotguns in a home defense situation is what type of shot you are going to use. If you don’t live alone you have to consider the serioius penetration that something like double 00 will do. Also the spread can be pretty bad potentially. This ain’t the movies and if you are fighting for your life against home invaders etc, you are doing to miss at least some of the time. Shotguns are highly intimidating though and from shorter distances require very minimal training. AR-‘s and such are definitely more complicated and they do missfire as well. I’ve never had a shotgun missfire, but I’ve had lots of others misfire over the years.
My preference would be for shotgun w/ handgun secondary. I don’t think most people will be in a self defense situation that requires the power of a rifle round. Even the small .223 can go through walls no problem, so rifle rounds missing can be a big deal if you live in a more populated environment or if you have alot of family members in the home. Situations like the article is why home invasion is so scary, in our local city I see most home invasions taking plase with 2-3 people working together. It seem rare to have one person solo doing it. But again I don’t think a rifle round of any sort is usually the best option for closer quarters self defense. If you want to use a rifle in a fast pace, close quarters situation it would require training, and ongoing practice and remember you own every round you shoot and rifle rounds can easily fly through plywood and drywall and exit the house. Shotgun shells like #4 have less penetration for misses and alot of handgun rounds won’t continue to travel too far. Honestly one person stopping 4 armed assailants is a miracle, the guy must have trained, been lucky, and it sounds like a couple ran off right away. Sad state of affairs but it seems like the Elderly are the number one targets for home invasions and robberies from how often they are noted in the news locally.
OO is to big for home defense. Smaller more numerous loads are just as effective indoors and not as likely to cause unintended damage.
Within a house even a 12 gauge trap load is devastating. 7/8 of an ounce of even #8 is the size of a golf ball at 1200+ fps when it would hit somebody inside a house. A good compromise for the shotgunner if the fight carries outside would be plated BB shot like Federal Premium. In magnum form, whether 2 3/4″ or 3″ it would not seriously over penetrate buildings past maybe one drywalled wall and would keep you in the fight if ranges got to 50 yards. I have recovered plated BB fired at 100 yards that deformed wickedly at that range.
Please don’t fire high velocity rifle rounds inside your home if you have neighbors anywhere within 100 yards of it.
Some will very likely end up in one of your neighbor’s home’s.
Good for you sailor
I have both the AR and 12 gauge with 00 buck… Chip
The thing about the shotgun is (at least mine) you have to pump between shots… Chip
Sometimes just the action of the pump can send potential intruders away.
Carry on and arm up….
What all ya’ll failed to mention, is that an AR is perfect for a weak or recoil sensitive individual. Over penetration is usually not a problem with most .223 or 5.56 because they tend to yaw and break up, shedding energy quickly. 62 gr. green tip might be an issue because it is designed to penetrate. My go to is AR with 55 grainers. Back up is 12 ga. Mossy 500. On my property I might have to engage out to 150 yards, not 12 ga. distances. YMMV.
Unfortunately engaging anyone at 100yards no adays is almost a guaranteed jail sentence. Even in gun friendly states there aren’t many scenarios that a shooting is going to be considered legal beyond 50yards from your home. Unless its some shtf type no authority scenario.
I’ve shot AR’s through endless amounts of plywood with soft tips, they easily can travel through walls unless they hit the studs. Alot of handguns will as well, but depending it has less chance, and tend to weaken dramatically afterwards.
For people that aren’t agile or have disabilities AR platforms can be difficult to use, despite the recoil being very low. I’ve seen alot a people struggle to clear missfires and prime the weapon. As rifles go AR in .223 is almost definitely better than nearly any other rifle I can think off though. Most people aren’t going to train with their weapon much, otherwise handguns would be the easy go to option in most scenarios. I consider it secondary b/c it requires regular use and some training to use with any real degree of accuracy. Mind you the gun statistics show that most civilian gun users merely present their weapons and this ends things, without a shot being fired. So intimidation works for a large number of criminals, they want easy unarmed targets. Again why I think a shotgun is so great, pure psychological factor, plus within 30′ which would be typical for nearly all realistic scenarios Shotgun works great. Clearly double OO or 50 cal slugs are not going to be the choice for most people, and they kick hard.
You can always mix and match shotgun ammo as well, say 4 shot for the first 5 shots, and 50 cal slugs if you can handle it for the longer shots if a gun fight continues. There really aren’t many scenarios I see Double OO being the go to load, sure it disintigrates things real well but that includes unintended targets.
The low recoil stuff they sell like Rio OO is designed for three gun competition shooting games and is quite gentle. It lacks the range but is a good compromise when over penetration and neighbors are the concern.
An AR-15 will leave a large hole and wear a home invader out. Yeah, so will a shotgun, but my shotgun is made for hunting, and is only a single shot, Sometimes that is not enough.
A fence around the house with a dog would be a good idea. Gives you an alarm and a delay to help with dealing with a threat.
Yah,would rather (don’t have the setup yet)dog and geese(that get along with said dog(s).Geese are a great alarm/grew up with a few as a kid and they let you know a problem is around!
The AR 15 is considered a moderately powered weapon. Many states don’t allow hunting deer with it because it’s considered under powered for deer.
Nobody needs a AR-15!
Why,because you own a M-1/AK-47/AR-10/Barret .50 ect.
Oh,or a good quality shotgun also acceptable/not to mention all the other rifles and pistols!
Despite it’s issues,I love this country!
Sigh….,I upvoted all comments,can’t upvote meself?!
Mossberg 930 spx tactical 8 round capacity, 12 gauge. Chambers both 2 3/4 and 3”.
Bot,have you tried/used the 1&3/4 “shells,read a bit about em and seems a nice “in house”don’t want to travel far shell that adds capacity,thinking of ordering /trying some but wonder if any here have gone that path.
None have tried will next order get 25 and pun intended give em a shot and reprt on em.
James..
Would like to hear what you think after you try some. I’m an up close and personal kinda guy so I use my own reconfigured low power loads in a 20 ga. Mossberg 610 but I make disposable pipe guns in 12 ga.. If those are any good it will save me the trouble of reloading 2 3/4 12’s.
Flea,no more input/i.e. users will make a video and post,keep in mind will be out of a 18″/12 gauge config.,worth a shot as I said though.
1 3/4 inch shells work fine in a pump shotgun, but not so well in a semi-auto. You can get an adapter for mossbergs(Opsol) that help them cycle the Aguila mini’s
I’ve heard in automatics there might be a problem with insufficient powder in the 1 3/ in rounds to rack the next round. Check YT for some videos on the topic.
I want one!
I love my Mossbergs!
Mossberg 930 JM Pro Tactical 24″ holds 10 3″. For those who haven’t heard before, 24″ is the max length you need for a shotgun shell to deliver maximum velocity. Many have longer barrels but that is to improve sight radius, not velocity. If you mount a red dot on any length the sight radius is no longer a consideration.
Got you James!
Thanks Grace!
No matter our beliefs religious/political ect.,self defense is a given.
I like shotguns, and yes, they DO make semi-auto and pump shotguns that hold 8 rounds of buckshot. The trick is finding affordable models.
Conversely, you can also get home defense carbines or SBR’s in 9mm with 20-30 round magazines. If you have a 9mm pistol, even better. This way you only need one or two types of ammo.
If I can swing it I’d like to have a suppressed PDW fed with 30 rounds of 9mm subsonics. Easy on the ears, little to no flash, and minimized penetration good for CQB. CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1 or a Mossberg 590A1 or 930 SPX w/Taclite would be my dream kit, but a good AR carbine with multiple mags will always do.
New to gun ownership, have a Ruger 9 mm with 17 round clip, and a Mossberg 590 A 1 pistol grip 8 round
This would round out the collection nicely. Small enough for a woman or older child to handle if necessary, extremely dependable, easy to maintain and the .30 cal round packs a knockout punch. Your first two choices are excellent picks for a first time gun owner, make sure you practice with them as often as you can, especially how to draw, engage and reload with the 9. the Mossberg is point and shoot easy, but sidearms require a lot of practice to become deadly efficient.
That’s actually a good *minimum force* necessary against charging Africans.
The two legged variety.
Jaime,
As a Nam Vet who lived in West Texas from 84 to 88. The first year in a singlewide…and who backpacked…many times alone…all over the stark remote beauty of West Texas, from Big Bend to the Guadalupe mountains (the highest point in Texas) and all around San Angelo, ‘No Country for Old Men’ is one of my all-time top favorite movies…hells bells…I could have really wandered into the opening scene finding the carnage and the money…I was in that type country many times over those four years…just to be really alone.
In another knowing smile, I have faced a psychopath before and posted about it…but I lived…and so did he. (We almost shot one another).
To top it off my wife is from Odessa, where the last scenes (the wife’s murder, the car accident, the pharmacy) take place. The Permian Basin is an unusual place.
Instead of a home grown Josh Brolin type character in the role of the good guy (who gets killed – yea bad guys can win at first blush).
How about a Nam Vet from Jersey…who survives ?
Whata ya think Flea?
The m1 carbine is a great choice. They are a little pricey if you go for a WW II version($1200 and up in my neck of the woods). Auto ordinance makes a replica m1 carbine that is a little cheaper($750-$1100), but works just as well. Found one at cope’s distributing for $750, but they are now out of stock. They have the paratrooper version in stock for $950.
Looking forward to purchasing your book when you find a publisher Hardscrabble Farmer.
Inland Manufacturing is making numerous versions of the M1 Carbine. So does Kahr/Auto Ordnance. Warning to “those people.” the Kahr/Auto Ordnance outfit is as the Arabs say, Eesra aylee.
Magpul is coming out soon with 30 round EVO mags.
I have posted in the past the news article link about a couple my age who were murdered in their rural, isolated home (just like mine) just up the road from me at 7 am by a Father/Son home invasion team. Everyone was white.
They shot the couple’s two dogs with crossbow bolts then smashed open the front door (weak lock, they just pounded the door open) then shot the couple with crossbow bolts. Tortured the man to get the safe combination.
Packed all the valuables into the couple truck, the dead couple, and the dead dogs, set the house on fire, and drove off.
I have 9 rooms in my home, everyone holds a hidden, loaded gun. My bedroom has three:
1. A 9mm CZ Scorpion with two 30 round mags taped together (easy to manurver inside a home)
2. A .45
3. A .357
I have a drill with my wife. If she is ever held by a home invader with a gun or knife to her who is demanding I drop my weapon or he will kill her…I will SCREAM her MIDDLE NAME in a panic!!!
I never, ever use her middle name.
That is her signal to fold over, slip down or suddenly twist to the side, then I will take a head/face shot!
I have told her over and over that is how home invaders disarm someone in the family with a weapon and I will never give up my weapon.
She is an excellent shot with her snub nose .38…and knows my middle name. I worry if she could actually take the shot if it was me being held…but I have moves. I have told her never, ever give up your weapon.
I buy the life size targets drilling the bad guy and practice, practice, practice.
Oh yea, long screws in all door lock, they had the short ones, and don’t forget the ajustable door jamb.
Funny…where is the black thug? The 12% who committ 52% of the murders???
Mark,hope you never have to put that to a test,that said,think you and wife will pass.
Me too buddy…I need to snap her in more…we have each other’s backs.
I live in a place where people leave their doors open, still.
Hard for me to imagine living with a 24/7 war mentality.
CB,
Impossible for me not to…war/combat/life & death incidents, no matter how long ago will re-wire your brain.
Just a fact.
Everyone’s a gun expert!!
Sure as fuck ain’t a snowflake. So what? Is having an opinion a problem?
There might be a few vets or other people with interesting insight to contribute.
If it was a thread about jacking off while eating Cheetos would you have bothered to comment?
Ed,me response was to Tom if any time stamp misreds here.
Nope,just trying to get by.
I would say few of us have the access/training to be “experts” unless retired/current special ops type/high level leo background ect. here,we just try and be a little better every day/week when ever we get a chance to improve skills,same with the rest of life skills.
With that said,you have any info./ideas ect. on how to be more proficient with firearms feel no one here would be opposed to hearing what you have to say.
Tballs.
As a matter of fact we are. We are experts at what we want in a weapon which means we know as much as the experts in the gun mags. Sharing our views on weapons helps us see new ways of thinking. Some here are still trying to formulate Ideas of who, when and why they might shoot someone. If you think that isn’t important you might want to rethink it. MG said at the very beginning “Use whatever you’re comfortable with. Maybe some of us are still trying to find that “whatever”.
Having been shot at as much here as in Nam, and having shot back. I would never disparage anyone for talking guns and self defense. I’m one of the more gentle souls on here (at least that’s my version) some others may not be so nice.
If Flea is one of the more gentle people on TBP, the others are truly scarey. I want Flea on my side.
Not everyone. Some people have more experience with different tools and skill sets. When they offer advice it pays to listen. If someone like Francis Marion jumps on this thread, listen closely because he’s forgotten more than most people know.
I hope Francis does pipe up sometime in this thread. I told my other half just recently we need to practice more…a lot more. We have been much too busy with other things around the farm. This is something we really need to make time for.
Tomthall,
I’m no gun/weapons expert…unless you’re talking M-60 or M26 Frags or the 911 .45…but all I still have in my hands now is the .45.
But, I have learned a great deal from many here about guns.
I’m a big believer in the bits and pieces philosophy…take the best bits and pieces from many, mold them with what you know from real world experience, and you will be better off.
Pay attention, get engaged, ask questions, and leave the snark out…you might learn something that could keep you and yours alive one day.
No expert but I don’t want to make it easy for them.
Too bad the brave homeowner was not able to terminate all the vibrant dieversity that came to visit and bring him enrichment.
public hangings would do wonders for morale in my book
It’s funny that the States where you most need to be well armed, are the States that work the hardest to make it impossible to protect your family.
That’s nothing drum magazines and a determined neighborhood patrol can’t handle.
Try an AR in 7.62×39
You’ll love it
Great choice
The problem is, we have allowed the anti Second Amendment crowd to define the terms.
A firearm is a tool which possess no evil intent on its own. Assigning intent to an inanimate object is the epitome of insanity. Demonizing a weapon on “looks alone” also marks the accuser as an unstable individual who is also insane. Call them out on their illogic and insanity.
Another dirty tactic the anti-Second Amendment crowd uses exposes children to potential and actual harm by putting them in “gun-free zones”. These people care not one wit about children, but uses them for their own nefarious purposes.
We need to TAKE BACK the argument…
When the antis blame the firearm for the actions of a criminal, state that: “a firearm is an inanimate object, subject only to the intent of the user. Firearms ARE used to preserve life and make a 90 lb. woman equal to a 200 lb. criminal.
When the antis attempt to justify their “gun free zones” counter their misguided argument with “you mean, criminal safety zones” or “victim disarmament zones”. State that “we protect our money, banks, politicians and celebrities, buildings and facilities with PEOPLE WITH GUNS, but protect our children with “gun-free zone” signs”.
When the antis state that: “you don’t need and AR-15”, counter with, “Who are YOU to consider what I need?”
When the antis criticize AR-15s in general, counter with: “you mean the most popular rifle of the day, useable by even the smallest, weakest person as a means of self-defense. Besides, AR-15s are FUN to shoot”. Offer to take them to the range and supply them with an AR-15, ammunition and range time. I have made many converts this way.
When the antis state that: “You don’t need an AR-15 to hunt with”, counter with “AR-15s ARE used for hunting, but in many states, are prohibited from being used to take large game because they are underpowered”.
When the antis state that: “AR-15s are high powered rifles”, correct them by stating that “AR-15s with the .223 or 5.56mm cartridge are considered medium-powered weapons–NOT “high-powered” by any means”.
When the antis state that: “the Constitution was written during the time of muskets, and that the Second Amendment should only apply to “weapons of that time period”, state that: “by your logic, the First Amendment should not apply to modern-day telecommunications, internet, television, radio, public-address systems, books and newspapers produced on high-speed offset printing presses. Only “town-criers” and Benjamin Franklin type printing presses would be covered under the First Amendment”.
When the antis state that “only law enforcement and government should possess firearms”, remind them of the latest school shooting, as well as Columbine, where “law enforcement” SAT ON THEIR HANDS while children were being murdered, afraid to challenge the shooter, despite being armed to the hilt. The government-run murderous sieges at Ruby Ridge and Waco are also good examples of government (mis)use of firearms.
Gun-banners want ALL guns, even if they attempt to get them a little at a time, chipping away at the Second Amendment. Here are the “excuses” that the anti-gun crowd uses to “justify” their misguided position:
Handguns–“too concealable”
Rifles–“too accurate”
Shotguns–“too deadly”
The Second Amendment is the most “infringed” of any part of the Constitution.
This tome can be used to counter any argument against any infringement of our Second Amendment.
Quite often, firearms owners are their own worst enemies. The duck hunters don’t like the AR-15 “black rifles” so they see no problem if attempts are made to ban them. The traditional rifle owners don’t like machine guns, so they have no problem with them being legislated out of existence. Some pistol owners see nothing wrong with certain long guns being outlawed just as some rifle owners would have no problem seeing pistols banned. You see, anti-gunners want them all. They will chip away a little at a time until their goal of civilian disarmament is complete. They have an excuse for banning every firearm. Scoped bolt-action rifles are defined by anti-gunners as “sniper rifles” because they are “too accurate”. Magazine-fed weapons are suspect because of high (actually normal) magazine capacity. Handguns are suspect because they are “easily concealable”. The gun grabbers want them all and have made (flimsy and suspect) excuses for banning every type of firearm. They don’t care how long it takes. and will use incrementalism to their advantage.
Friends, ALL firearms advocates must “hang together” and realize that an assault on ANY means of firearms ownership and self-defense is an assault on ALL forms of firearms ownership and self-defense.
There is absolutely NO ROOM for complacency among ANY Second Amendment supporters. An attack on one is an attack on ALL…
ALL firearms laws are unconstitutional on their face. Imagine the hue and cry if “reasonable” restrictions were placed on First Amendment activities, especially with the “mainstream media”. The Second Amendment is clear–what part of “shall not be infringed” do politicians and the media not understand…of course, they understand full well…it’s part of their communist agenda…
Even the NRA bears some responsibility for capitulation on matters concerning firearms. The NRA failed when it allowed the National Firearms Act of 1934 to stand without offering opposition, the 1968 Gun Control Act, the NICS “instant check” system, the “no new machine gun for civilians” ban in 1986, the so-called “assault weapons” ban in 1994, and other infringements of the Second Amendment. Let’s face it. What better way to increase membership than to “allow” infringements to be enacted and then push for a new membership drive. Yes, the NRA has done good, but its spirit of “compromise” will only lead to one thing…confiscation.
If the NRA is truly the premier “gun rights” organization, it must reject ALL compromise…
What’s missing here is a pack of dogs with multiple sets of eyes and ears to alert for visitors, both invited and unwelcome. They don’t even need to be trained to attack- most people are apprehensive around multiple dogs they do not know barking- as it gives the homeowner plenty of time to suss out the situation well in advance of any hostilities. Being ready in a defilade position with your weapon up before someone comes through the door is a very big advantage, and if someone is coming through unwelcome and uninvited is an invitation to another sort of greeting.
Forewarned is forearmed.
Have 2 miniature (30lb) golden doodles. They make a lot of noise.
How about a half dozen attack squirrels?
The culling continues apace. Faster, please.
Love AR’s but my choice for this job is a S&W M&P9 w/9mm 124Gr JHPs – it’s better suited (or something similar – Glock, HK, 1911 in 45 etc etc etc).
Long guns are too cumbersome indoors. On the other hand they seem to have done the job perfectly fine in this case.
Shorter is better inside but round/gun choice is far less important than familiararity with your weapon (and rounds put down range).
Shoot often and shoot lots.
Agree, my go to is a HK VP9 with light/laser combo. Short range, violent encounter I prefer a pistol. Long gun is too cumbersome in a close range fight….but, I also have a Mossy 590 handy in case I need to go outside, as well. Practice getting around your house at night, in the dark, as well as your shooting.
I like the ar 15 “pistol” configuration in 300 blackout or 7.62×39 calibers for home defense. 10 to 12 inches shorter then your standard ar carbine, and those calibers will work better on drug crazed home invaders!
Second call for ARs in 7.62×39 for 30 caliber punch.
My experience is 1,000 rounds of brass case ammo with the standard $79 BGC, and not one failure of any kind.
These magazines and bolts won’t fail you.
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/d-h-steel-ar15-7-62x39mm-30rd-magazine
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/c-products-defense-magazine-ar-15-7-62x39mm-28-round-mag-2-pack-2801
https://youngmanufacturing.net/product/chrome-bolt-7-62-x-39/
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-pa47-16-7-62×39-upper-w-bcg-and-charging-handle.html
Why I need an AR 15? Please, this is akin to saying that my trip to the grocery store would have been impossible without my BMW. Articles like this serve no purpose and in this case encourage using a weapon meant for offense to be used for defense. There are better choices and counting on a 3000+fps bullet to fragment before entering your bedrooms or leaving your house is wishful thinking.
Obviously, you’re one of those who don’t get it … and no, don’t ask me to do the job of defending you, or your family, for you. If you have so much faith in the police and the altruistic motives of others to save you, that’s your choice.
Any weapon can be offensive or defensive in nature. It depends on the intent of the user and the manner of its use. A pencil just lying on the floor isn’t a weapon until someone stabs you with it. Conversely, a note written and left in the right place might save your life if found by a passerby … see how that works?
You have much to learn about the baser humans among us and I wish you well.
Ed, I own multiple weapons of destruction. My point was that there are better choices if you have friendlies near by. Sheetrock is not a bullet stop.
Anonomousey.
A .22 short passes the test for what the FBI considers lethal. It will pass through a 1″ pine board at 50 yards so there goes you’re bedroom theory.
As a former Dork, lazy asshole and two bit hoodlum I can tell you for a fact that when the attack starts there is no more distinction between offence and defense among those men and women who have a strong desire to live. There is a percentage of people who will curl up and beg no matter how many guns you gave them. I suspect you are in that category.
My .45 with custom printed drop in stock and 140 grain lead wad cutters expand two times their diameter thru two layer of sheetrock. They will no doubt cause damage still, but will expend most of their energy on initial impact. Copper coated #4s sent out of a 12 ga.Will knock down anything you stand in front of it. Just giving my opinion for family safety Flea, I will not need your help. If you wish to talk distance, I have opinion on that matter also.
Anon.
Perhaps you could have said it that way the first time. We have no way of knowing which anono you are and you came across to at least 7 of us as a bleeding heart gun grabber.
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I have the: NV-200 Mini Aura Digital Night Vision Pocket Monocular. For the money it is excellent! Front pocket size, smaller then a pack of cigarettes…I keep it handy by my bed, and always take it with me when ever I am traveling.
If ever outside at night dealing with bad guys (lots of woods around my home/farm) it could make all the difference in the world.
Be aware it does put out a red dot light that can be seen by your target, but when my wife and I tested it (from the back porch while one of us were in deep woods) we could see each other clearly in the woods that would other wise leave the person in the woods invisible to the naked eye. Impressive range for its size.
I also have a night scope on my M1A and a larger more powerful monocular. If your not prepared to fight at night, you will eventually end up in deep shit way over your head.
It gives me great pleasure to read all of the pro-Second Amendment comments – appears that 98% of which are gun owners, many with varying degrees of expertise …
I am retired, 75 years of age, live alone, and … disabled. I also live in the middle of the forest in the, Inland Pacific Northwest State of Montana (hence the Avatar, IPNW). My closest neighbor is 1/4 mile away. Cell phones don’t work in this area, so I don’t see the need to own one. I chose to move to this neck of the woods after spending the majority of my life in another state that was saturated in crime and infested with a majority populous of 3rd World border-jumping slime bags, and life-enriching Africans.
I am also a 36-year veteran law enforcement officer, with varying levels of specialized ops, all with County, State and Federal service. I have lived by the code of the gun for nearly half of my life. I have experienced enough shootouts and related incidents to provide me with enough nightly re-occurring nightmares to last me the rest of my life. I have some notches on the handle of my pistola, but won’t tell you how many.
Experience is the greatest teacher known to man.
While I have essentially detached myself from the former environment in which I barely succeeded in surviving, I know that letting my guard down in my now chosen environment could prove fatal. That is why:
I own, and know how to use each and all 35 rifles and pistols. Each room in my house has two or more weapons loaded and stashed for immediate retrieval. My bedroom has three, two pistols with red dot sights, and a Ruger Mini-14 w/nightlight and spare magazine. The Mini-14 is locked open and loaded with the safety in the off position, so all I have to do is release the bolt and it’s instantly chambered. The Mini sleeps next to me on the bed. I choose the Mini’s over the AR 15’s as I find them – for me – more reliable and not prone to jamming
My vehicle is home to another Mini-14, and a Colt 1911 .45 ACP, and there is enough ammo in the truck to take care of business for a long, long time! I am also a prepper and have ample stashes of food and emergency supplies both in the home and in the truck. For the few of you here who don’t know what a Mini-14 is, just let me say that it is one very nasty, nasty rifle to be on the wrong end thereof.
Well, these are just a few of the tricks I have in store for any deadbeat meth-head or miscreant African who decides to take advantage of this old man. In my opinion, anyone who is not prepared to deal with a home invasion, at least with the bare firearm essentials, is an absolute idiot. And, any man who is not prepared to defend his home, his wife, and his children, is a disgrace to the human race.
Men, arm yourselves. It is your God-given right to protect your loved ones, not only in the home, but everywhere you go.
Experience is the greatest teacher known to man.
Yeah one of my best friends is a LEO and his stories the past couple decades were real enough for me to never get too lax. I live in the country but we still get the occasional home invasion, always an Elderly person/couple since I lived here. Seems the thugs scope out elderly, or go after their fellow thugs and drug dealers. We are at least 20mins away from closest State police if they get here right away. One minute is too long a time to wait for help often times, since the very nature of these type of events is they are surprising at some level.
In my younger years I trained and trained others in self-defense. It was 90% mentality and awareness. No matter how young and trained you are, one crazy dude with a sharp knife can get lucky and mess you up or worse. Even in my prime It would have been very difficult to take on more than 1 person with no weapons, 3 people or more you pretty much are done, if they have weapons, you are in big trouble. I bounced for 5 years of college and was involved in trying to stop alot of fights. I quit one day after having a mason jar smashed over my head by the guys friend that I was dragging out of the bar. I was getting stitches, saying enough is enough of this bullshit. But once you witness first hand alot of violence its hard to switch off they awareness bug. To this day I avoid large crowded places like the plague, bars are trouble, even college bars.
I read Patrick Mondaca’s piece that was sourced in the first quote. I’m sure most TBP readers could tear apart Pat’s reasoning without much thought. i.e. he was in the military of a Tyrannical country that had invaded Iraq for starters. From my training experience, in California, mildly dedicated civilians are better operators than former AGW’s unless they are mildly dedicated to periodic training also. Training is the key and it doesn’t take an unreasonable amount to stay reasonably proficient with one’s firearm of choice.
The perps Look like White supremacists to me.
The perps look like white supremacists
Why not ban something that would actually have an impact on crime?
Factoid: More people are murdered every year in the US with HAMMERS than the total murdered with every kind of rifle combined. I can just see the Dhimmicrats streaming towards Home Depot or Ace to protest right now.
Speaking of “HAMMERS” ….
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If I had a hammer
I’d hammer in the morning
I’d hammer in the evening
All over this land
I’d hammer out The Squad
I’d hammer dem bitches dead
I’d hammer out the hate of dem Commie Libtard demons
All over this land
If I had a bell
I’d ring it in the morning
I’d ring it in the evening
All over this land
I’d ring out Occasio
I’d ring out that Omar
I’d ring out Tlaib and Pressley and all of Antifa
All over this land
If I had a song
I’d sing it in the morning
I’d sing it in the evening
All over this land
I’d sing out “FUCK YOU!”
I’d sing out “YA CUNTS!”
I’d sing out love for Donald Trump in 2020
All over this land
Well I got a hammer
And I got a bell
And I got a song to sing, all over this land
I’d sing
“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”
Shotgun vs. AR? Mostly either-either in my view. Neither is a bad choice and neither is perfect. Both can be had in highly portable trim and accessorized to taste. One has massive stopping power and limited round count. The other has less stopping power and more rounds available. The only was to completely eliminate over-penetration is to not use a gun, so as long as one isn’t using a .50 cal, it is what it is. Smart ammo choices can mitigate it to a point. My best choice? Bulgarian underfolder in 5.45×39. Although, I do believe that Evan Marshall’s data reveals that the .357 magnum has the best one-shot-stops record at about 97 percent. Multiple assailants kinda messes that up though due to slower reload-ability. Right up there with the slide action shotgun, I’d have to rate a lever action in .44 or .357. Good round count, maneuverable, easy to use, and lots of stopping power relative to over penetration issue. And, I’d never count on the psychological value of the sound of a slide action shotgun’s action being racked. It might give pause to a law abiding regular person (larp), but sociopathic, drug abusing, adrenaline junkie? Wouldn’t count on it. And always have a (very sharp) edged weapon as a backup-backup. And a suture kit and tournaquet. No one doesn’t get cut in a knife fight.