Is Our Second Civil War — also a ‘Forever War’?

Guest Post by Pat Buchanan

Is Our Second Civil War -- also a 'Forever War'?

Who was not stunned to learn that as Trump seemed to be pulling ahead in the voting count on Nov. 3, suddenly, around midnight, the vote counting appeared to stop in the crucial swing states, and we were told it would begin again early the next morning? Why the halt?

When the Electoral College meets Monday, it will almost surely certify former Vice President Joe Biden as the 46th president of the United States. And he will take the oath of office Jan. 20.

There is, nationally, a growing if grudging realization of that reality.

Yet millions of Americans will refuse to accept the legitimacy of that election and its outcome and will continue to believe, with President Donald Trump, that it was “rigged.”

“Was the 2020 election stolen by the establishment to get rid of a president, Donald Trump, whom it loathed?” will be debated decades hence — as are questions such as, “Did FDR have advance knowledge the Japanese were going to attack?” and, “Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone in Dallas?”

That perception that something was afoot first arose in the minds of millions in the hours after the election on Nov. 3, when 83% of Republicans polled by Gallup said they did not believe reports of Trump’s defeat.

Things perceived as real are real in their consequences.

And there was justification for that perception. Who was not stunned to learn that as Trump seemed to be pulling ahead in the voting count on Nov. 3, suddenly, around midnight, the vote counting appeared to stop in the crucial swing states, and we were told it would begin again early the next morning? Why the halt?

Again, things perceived as real are real in their consequences.

The Washington Post reports this week that, midway between Election Day and Inauguration Day, only 27 congressional Republicans would acknowledge Biden’s win. Some 220 GOP members of the House and Senate — 88% of Republicans serving in Congress — would not say who won the election.

And Trump continues to fight on, millions behind him, to persuade public officials in such battleground states as Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada to withdraw their certifications.

He is said to be working the phones to get Republicans in Congress to reject the designation of Biden as president.

He has joined a suit by 17 states’ attorneys general to have the Supreme Court accept Texas’ argument that late alterations in the voting processes in four swing states be declared unconstitutional and illegal.

Among the more credible charges is that, due to the pandemic, late changes were made in the voting processes of states, especially with mailed-out and mailed-in ballots. The contention is that votes cast as a consequence of changes done contrary to state laws or constitutions should be thrown out. Most of those votes came from the urban precincts where Biden’s margins were massive.

While some 50 lawsuits filed in Trump’s cause may have been rejected in courts, the hourly allegations of fraud in the collection and counting of ballots have given credence to a generalized belief that Trump was cheated of votes he received and Biden received votes that were illicitly cast.

Where will this leave us Jan. 20?

American politics will be even more poisoned and polarized than it has been for the last four years. Tens of millions of Americans will see themselves as disfranchised and believe that the greatest champion they have had in decades was illegally driven from power by the same deep state-media conspiracy he fought for four years.

Reinforcing this perception is the sudden revelation this week that Biden’s son Hunter is indeed the target of a federal tax investigation.

That is a story the mainstream media not only refused to cover but sought to bury. And it further buttresses a widespread belief that the mainstream media were in the tank for Biden and will use the power they have to fix the outcome of future American elections in favor of the establishment to which they belong.

For scores of millions of Americans, the mainstream media have lost any credibility and moral authority they once had.

The media have spent four years promoting the falsehood that Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump conspired to steal the 2016 election, a charge for which the two-year Robert Mueller investigation could not find any substance at all. They championed the cause of impeachment of Trump over a single comment in a phone call to the president of Ukraine.

And all the while, they painted Trump as racist, sexist, homophobic and treasonous, and his followers as torch-carrying deplorables.

The hypocritical calls from the mainstream media today for us all to come together, after the atrocities they perpetrated, boggle the mind.

Amazing. And now that the Democrats appear to have captured the White House, the message is, “Can’t we all just get along?”

What lies ahead?

Some see secession. But though secession is unlikely, a secession of the heart has already taken place in America. We are two nations, two peoples seemingly separated indefinitely. Can a nation so divided as ours, racially, ideologically, religiously, still do great things together, as did the America of days gone by, to the amazement of the world?

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38 Comments
pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis
December 11, 2020 8:07 am

It’s not a matter of opinion..When, in the middle of the night, 130,000 votes suddenly appear for one candidate, and no votes for the other candidate, it’s vote fraud…When votes are “counted” for one candidate after the opposing Party’s judges have been kicked out, it’s vote fraud…When votes for a candidate are greater than the number of registered voters, it’s vote fraud….When votes are switched from one candidate to another, it’s vote fraud…..etc.

flash
flash
December 11, 2020 8:11 am

There are no blue states, just blue cities full of mentally ill degenerates and fools. Rural Red has the power to shut it all down.

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Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
  flash
December 11, 2020 9:24 am

Red better shut it down and starve out these useless MFers.

Ivan
Ivan
  Kid Jupiter
December 11, 2020 10:33 am

And the GOP, a bunch of feckless gritting traitors.

Boycott the GOP. Do not participate.

SoTexGuy
SoTexGuy
  flash
December 11, 2020 10:44 am

Wow, thanks.

Ned2
Ned2
  flash
December 11, 2020 12:19 pm

There are MANY blue towns all over the red that aren’t shown on that map.
Jackson Hole, WY for instance.
The communist cancer is widespread.

pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis
  flash
December 11, 2020 2:32 pm

Michigan now admits that 174K absentee ballots can’t be tied to any registered voter..and that info is in the Texas suit…http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/12/174-384-unregistered-votes-in-mi.html

flash
flash
December 11, 2020 8:26 am

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flash
flash
  flash
December 11, 2020 8:27 am

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

― Samuel Adams
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pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis
  flash
December 11, 2020 9:14 am

Yes, and Buchanan is right about one thing…the war against those who want to enslave us is a forever war….

Ivan
Ivan
  flash
December 11, 2020 10:34 am

It’s okay to be WHITE

mark
mark
  Ivan
December 12, 2020 12:11 am

and a well armed, well trained, willing to die WHITE!

Jim in Va.
Jim in Va.
December 11, 2020 8:44 am

I will do what the dems did to Trump. If the supreme Ct. doesn’t overturn this I will become the resistance.

yahright
yahright
December 11, 2020 8:48 am

Just reading the stuff that old Joe is planning on getting done is enough to make people wish Trump won.
Actually, the people that control Joe want this stuff, including Harris the sore knees. Its been four years of civil war and this talk about how horrible Trump is from the left. The spending and the increase in the national debt is the only real issue that I have. I blame the bankers and people around Trump for most of that. Trump has a few tricks up his sleeve left. If not, there are some interesting times coming our way.

ragman
ragman
  yahright
December 11, 2020 8:56 am

Interesting times indeed! I urge everyone to check out Karl Denninger’s podcast on Texas and the other states that joined the Lone Star State.

Be Prepared
Be Prepared
  ragman
December 11, 2020 9:09 am

Do you have a link to the podcast you are talking about?

morongobill
morongobill
  Be Prepared
December 11, 2020 9:21 am
pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis
  yahright
December 11, 2020 9:12 am

The Covid scam has something to do with the deficit…

SoTexGuy
SoTexGuy
  pyrrhuis
December 11, 2020 10:46 am

It has something to do with EVERYTHING.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  yahright
December 11, 2020 9:36 am

“Trump has a few tricks up his sleeve left”

Too bad he couldn’t be bothered to employ them while he was still in office, huh?

He failed to build a wall, failed to end Obamacare, failed to end DACA, failed to end the Third World invasion….gee, he failed on every promise he made in 2016.

I bet he would most definitely have delivered on the Platinum Plan, though! Yup, another half billion dollars to the Mudmen…. no problem.

Can’t wait to see what clever tricks he has in reserve now!

pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis
  Anonymous
December 11, 2020 10:41 am

You haven’t noticed that the wall is getting built with military funds, over the objections of both parties? You didn’t notice that Trump kneecapped Obamacare by eliminating the penalty? Idiot…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  pyrrhuis
December 11, 2020 11:12 am

So, if the fumigator who promises to rid your house of vermin comes by and swats 6 flies in your kitchen, you would be content that he had delivered on his promises?

Who is the idiot, I wonder?

Now do DACA, Third World immigration (to include H1-1B), and the Platinum Plan!

Can’t wait!!

Ned2
Ned2
  Anonymous
December 11, 2020 12:22 pm

Blaming Trump for the incompetence of Congress again?

brian
brian
  Ned2
December 11, 2020 1:03 pm

You can’t win an argument with a willfully stupid. Don’t waste the time.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  brian
December 11, 2020 6:26 pm

You got that right, Brian! People are determined to believe in a savior no matter how much evidence accumulates that they have been betrayed.

Ivan
Ivan
  yahright
December 11, 2020 10:35 am

Little barry sotero controls this mess for his globalist overlords. Make no mistake about that.

Voltara
Voltara
  Ivan
December 11, 2020 1:45 pm

Barry just sits at home watching his old speeches on youtube. He is a talentless puppet

Be Prepared
Be Prepared
December 11, 2020 9:04 am

We all know that this election was a farce. The veil of The Beer Virus has seemingly kept the silent majority at bay…. where are our mass demonstrations? Anti-fa like protests? Either we all realize that it’s too late… or we are all to used to being silenced by the belligerent libs shouting tirades without reason. The problem is that we are hardworking, independent-minded people and we value, maybe too much, what we have built. We are serious about responsibilities and try to keep our word. Does this mean we are stuck with a dictator? Because that is exactly was it’s called when the elections are not free from fraud. //rant off

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Be Prepared
December 11, 2020 9:39 am

Demonstrations? Protests?

Your ongoing faith in the system is touching in the extreme. Like a puppy crying in the rain.

DaddyJo
DaddyJo
  Be Prepared
December 11, 2020 12:17 pm

Join the discussion…”and we value, maybe too much, what we have built” The defining mark of a religious person is that they place little value on anything except their beliefs. The left is religious about their beliefs; the right is not. We must learn to hold “our stuff” and even our lives very loosely as we live our beliefs. If we do not it will all be taken from us anyway..

Robert Gore
Robert Gore
December 11, 2020 9:16 am

Okay, Pat’s recycling material SLL, TBP, and other sites been running since before the election, but at least he’s finally getting on board. I cut him some slack because he was sounding today’s patriot and nationalist themes back in the 1990s and he didn’t have a lot of company.

Cynyr
Cynyr
  Robert Gore
December 11, 2020 9:30 am

I’ll bet I have read this same column seventy-five times. Everybody writes as if they know, then they recite all the facts, then they admit that they don’t know.
I love Pat Buchanan, but when is somebody going to provide a plan of action?

James
James
  Cynyr
December 11, 2020 9:55 am

Stop looking for leaders and become one!

Build a trustworthy team in your community made up of folks you have known for years/decades/keep prepping/training ect.

Ivan
Ivan
  Cynyr
December 11, 2020 10:38 am

Fire when you see the whites of their eyes.

pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis
  Robert Gore
December 11, 2020 10:42 am

Pat needs to retire, he has no clue how the country feels about such blatant fraud…

Bubbah
Bubbah
  Robert Gore
December 11, 2020 12:52 pm

He was my throw away vote in 2000, he was at least on board with keeping illegals out and trying to salvage western culture. And he wasn’t a massive warmonger. Bush ended up being horrible, and his retreads Barr, and Roberts clearly aren’t helping the cause of freedom/justice.

SoTexGuy
SoTexGuy
December 11, 2020 10:43 am

I have not recently read a piece by Pat Buchanan that didn’t rile me with some outrageous assertion or mis-claimer. This is a welcome exception.. About this? “Yet millions of Americans will refuse to accept the legitimacy of that election and its outcome ..” It’s true.. but not so different from 2016.

Tony
Tony
December 11, 2020 1:29 pm

Read what’s been written; rewrite what has been read; submit to the left without a fight to the finish. That is what this piece is all about.