Wu Flu vs. the Spanish Flu?

Guest Post by Eric Peters

A reader asks about comparisons being made between WuFlu and the 1918 Spanish Flu and specifically whether the precedent set then is legitimately applicable today.

He writes:

I am on a trivia email list that puts out a little “on this date” article each day and yesterday (March 4) marked the date in 1918 when the first “Spanish flu” cases were reported; so the article was facts about that pandemic. 

It noted that in 1918 Americans social distanced, wore masks and schools and businesses were closed for months at a time, just like today. I see some issues with the comparison though; firstly that the demographic of the deaths and serious illnesses were quite different (Spanish flu affected young adults much more than WuFlu has) and also that medical care wasn’t nearly as equipped to treat symptoms a century ago as they are today and many deaths from the Spanish flu were due to misdiagnosis and improper treatment by doctors. I’ve noticed many in the media want to shoehorn WuFlu into the Spanish flu – “It’s 1918 all over again!” Do you believe there is a historical basis for such a comparison and what in your view would be a libertarian response to a pandemic the scale of the Spanish flu (if any different from the views toward WuFlu edicts)?

I think the main issue here isn’t who gets sick – or how sick or even how to treat the sick – but rather the same issue that’s the unspoken core issue of almost everything today since almost everything today has become an issue of the collective vs. the individual  . . . which is really a false paradigm, once you dissect it a little.

Because there is no collective – other than as a rhetorical device.

When individuals form groups they do not become a “group.” They remain a number of individuals.

When individuals – most dangerously, politicians and other species of busybodies – speak in the collective, e.g., that “we” ought to be doing (or not doing) this or that “society” needs (or does not need) this or that, the speaker, who is an individual, means he (and the individuals who agree with him) hold that opinion and – usually – that he (and those who support him) intend to force – they never “ask,” despite their dishonest use of this otherwise noble word –  everyone to do or not do whatever it is they are in favor of doing or not doing.

If any individual does not agree with “we,” then it is not “we” or “society” – that is to say, everyone – who is tacking this way or that way but rather some of “we” – i.e., the individuals who presume to speak for everyone – who are attempting to conflate their preferences with everyone’s preferences.

These individuals invariably fail to respect the right of the other individuals who disagree and who wish be left out of whatever it is that “we” intend to do – or insist be done.

Sometimes, the collective is a majority of individuals but majority status does not give the individuals who constitute it “supererogatory rights” above those properly belonging to individuals. If it is agreed that it is morally wrong for Joe to take Mike’s stuff then it cannot be morally right for Mike and Joe to take Bill’s stuff just because there are two of them and one of him.

On the same basis, Joe has the right to weigh risks – and assume the consequences of his decisions – with regard to his own health, which is properly (morally) no other individual’s business.

Just as people are (for now) free to take care of their health by choosing to eat sensibly and exercise, if they wish to do those things – and equally free to choose not to do those things – even if other people consider it salutary or “risky” to do/not do those things.

They also have the right to stay home or not; to open – or close – their businesses, as they deem appropriate. To wear a “mask,” if they think it prudent – just as many consider it prudent to exercise and eat sensibly.

Or not, if they so decide.

This idea that there is a collective health – and collective obligations as regards health – is morally obnoxious.

The fact that Joe is sick does not mean that Bill is sick – and Mike’s fear that Bill might be sick doesn’t give Mike the moral right to require that Bill pretend he is sick (and to wear a “mask”or “practice” various acts of kabuki) because Mike is fearful of the possibility that Bill might be sick.

The problem, of course, is that many individuals do think (or rather, believe) they have the right to impose their fears of might on other individuals. This has been the underlying but rarely articulated principle driving almost every political policy of the modern era – long before the WuFlu – because it has been embedded in the psyche of Americans for decades predating the WuFlu era.

For example:

It is has been asserted that driving faster than “x” MPH (even if it is only 1 MPH faster than “x”) might result in an accident and so driving even 1 MPH faster than “x” is forbidden by law and punishable, even when (as is almost always the case) there is no accident.

It is not necessary to establish that harm was caused. It is enough to assert that it might have been.

No matter how abstract the might.

It is asserted that a person who possesses a gun might use it to in a negligent or criminal way; therefore, possession guns by people who did not use a gun negligently or criminally is restricted or even forbidden; the person who ignores these restrictions and prohibitions is subject to criminal prosecution just the same as if he actually had used the gun in a negligent or criminal manner.

The injustice of this should be obvious.

Also the open-endedness that arises from the lack of clarity and specificity. Harm caused means something. It can be factually established – and factually rebutted.

You either did – or you did not.

Might can be literally anything. And inevitably, will be. The extremity of this standard is bound only by the willingness of people to tolerate the degree to which they are told they may not do this – or will be punished for doing that – based on what someone else worries might happen, if they do or don’t.

Acceptance of this standard many years ago by a large number of Americans is why healthy Americans are walking around wearing Face Burqas to prevent the transmission of a sickness they haven’t got and being coerced into submitting to a vaccination of unknown provenance and unknown risk, the consequences of that to be assumed entirely by them, as individuals.

They might be sick. They might spread sickness.

Anyone hypothetically capable of the act might also be a shagger of wee beasties, too.

Whether the individual actually has shagged a wee beastie is not relevant according to the terms of this collective, open-ended standard. Which is also a medieval one since not only is it based on the verdict of the mob, it is based upon the fears of the mob. Whipped up by demagogic individuals who pander to and exploit the fears of the individuals who are the mob.

There is no argument that counters fear because feelings are immune to reason. Burn the witch! 

Wear a mask! 

They embody the same standard.

Whether someone might be sick – or whatever else they might be – isn’t the issue. It is whether they actually are.

Unless, of course, we’re back in the witch-burning business – which appears to be exactly the “case.”

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25 Comments
Burny
Burny
March 9, 2021 6:57 pm

You can’t compare a pandemic that happened a 100+ years ago with what we have today. We live in insulated house, on finished floors, heated and/or cooled with clean devices, work about 8 hours a day in mostly safe and clean settings, eat hygienic and fresh food kept in fridges and freezers, clean ourselves individually in showers or baths with clean, potable hot water, we didn’t all just came out of a 4-year, multi-million-death war, calorie-restricted period, we don’t live 10, 15 or 20 under the same roof. Different conditions. Spanish flu, same bug and all, in 2020? We wouldn’t even notice (unless “they’d” need to hide an economic crisis, give trillions to businesses or some such……….)

Buck Fiden
Buck Fiden
  Burny
March 10, 2021 12:19 am

The whole debacle reminds me of a saying we had in the military…
We, the unwilling,
Are led by the unknowing,
And asked to do the impossible,
For the ungrateful.
We have done so much,
For so long,
With so little,
We are now qualified
To do anything with nothing.
YMMV….

SeeBee
SeeBee
March 9, 2021 7:28 pm

Voluntary Genocide.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  SeeBee
March 9, 2021 8:13 pm

SeeBee,

I keep seeing this genocide and such being said. Lots of people are going to look just as silly as Mygirl did at the start of this fakedemic if millions of people are not dying in the next 4-6 months.

SeeBee
SeeBee
  Glock-N-Load
March 9, 2021 8:33 pm

Au Contraire mon ami…those masked/vaccinated people are already “dead.” (And don’t think you will be getting any “official” numbers anytime soon.)

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  SeeBee
March 9, 2021 9:29 pm

You’re saying millions of people have already died from the non-vaccine?

SeeBee
SeeBee
  Glock-N-Load
March 9, 2021 10:13 pm

No. Brain dead. Yes. And most people aren’t just going to drop dead immediately post medical gel injection. Oh no..they will need to suffer a bit before they do…

“Some people are going to die from the vaccine directly. But a large number of people are going to start getting horribly sick and get all kinds of autoimmune diseases.”
Dr. Sherry Tenpenny

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  SeeBee
March 9, 2021 10:21 pm

I guess we will just have to wait and see. Btw, my 21 year old daughter just got her first shot today.

Also btw, I am not taking the shot. My wife and I asked her not to take it because there was not reason for her to take it. Kids, what can you do?

SeeBee
SeeBee
  Glock-N-Load
March 9, 2021 10:24 pm

Glock..the number of people I know taking this shot is astounding. I know how you feel.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
March 9, 2021 8:12 pm

I walked around one of the Minneapolis lakes today. Very busy with the unseasonably warm weather. It’s a good 20 degrees above average – which might mean GLOBAL WARMING, except that a couple weeks ago we just ended two straight weeks of below zero temps (a good 20 degrees below average). Anyways, with rare exception, the only ones wearing masks were young people. Teenagers, early 20’s. What the fuck? I think the girls think they’re saving someone’s granny somewhere and the boys are going along with what the girls think. Young people think they’re smart, but they’re even more stupider than regular people.

TwatWaffle
TwatWaffle
  Iska Waran
March 9, 2021 10:10 pm

If a young man is wearing a mask whilst being with a young lady, then chances are his reasoning is poon tang.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  TwatWaffle
March 9, 2021 10:24 pm

I live in Northern Va. and I can say, with certainty, that the men around here are not wearing it because they want poon tang. They are wearing it, in droves, because they are Manginas.

TwatWaffle
TwatWaffle
  Glock-N-Load
March 9, 2021 11:44 pm

Then there’s that. Plenty of smooth crotched Ken dolls around.

ASIG
ASIG
March 9, 2021 8:26 pm

So if you want me to wear a mask because yours alone isn’t good enough, why don’t you just get yourself a better mask and not worry about what I’m doing. Or just wear two masks.

SeeBee
SeeBee
March 9, 2021 8:59 pm

The Flu vs Microwave Sickness

“The Flu” and “Microwave Sickness” Share Many of the Same Symptoms

Helen
Helen
March 9, 2021 9:33 pm

Well, it’s hit home for us. My adult daughter is a daycare worker, considered essential. They weren’t essential for the first lockdown and the daycare closed, but it’s different this time. They were informed today that they must take the vaccine to continue working there. She loves her job and is gifted at it, the kids adore her and the parents all love her. I’m trying not to worry; what can you do. She doesn’t want to do it, but she needs to earn her living.
My dentist is a smart, knowledgeable young woman. During my checkup she told me she’d taken it, no problems. Don’t be afraid, says she.
So, I pray. That there will be no harmful effects or damage.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  Helen
March 9, 2021 10:03 pm

till the second jab, then it’s over. I pray for her and my parents.

Helen
Helen
  ILuvCO2
March 9, 2021 10:11 pm

Thank you, I appreciate it. I’ll pray for your parents, too.

SeeBee
SeeBee
  Helen
March 9, 2021 10:20 pm

I saw a cousin for dinner a couple of weeks ago. She’s an Asst Principal at a Public School in NYC. She was scratching herself from head to toe. Almost ripping skin off. Comes to light she had gotten the medical gel shot a couple of weeks prior, but two doctors she visited said it had nothing to do with the “vaccine.” Because the reaction was not immediate, there was no causation at all.

If anyone is looking to buy a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge, please call me at 1 800 duh duhs.

daniel bjorndahl
daniel bjorndahl
  SeeBee
March 10, 2021 9:11 am

the number isnt in service anymore. can I just post my bank account details in a comment and you can subtract the appropriate amount?

urb811
urb811
  Helen
March 10, 2021 7:53 am

Helen

Here’s the EUA for the Pfizer jab., since it’s emergency based, can’t be forced to take.
seek an attorney

https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download

Helen
Helen
  urb811
March 10, 2021 8:46 am

Thank you for that information Urb811, and for your concern. We’re Canadian, don’t know if the Ministry of Health can force the issue. I have tried to educate my daughter on the dire effects, but she is young, trusting, in a happy bubble. There is a video of Dr Simone Gold discussing the vaccine…it is chilling. I doubt my daughter would watch. If all the girls who work there would stick together and refuse…..that would be great.
Just this morning before my granddaughter left for school, we did a devotion on Psalm 139:17-18, about God’s thoughts toward us outnumber the grains of sand. It was comforting.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Helen
March 10, 2021 1:19 pm

“She doesn’t want to do it, but she needs to earn her living.”

I mean no offense when I say, the State owns her.

Helen
Helen
  Anonymous
March 10, 2021 1:59 pm

You’re right. Pretty much everybody.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Helen
March 15, 2021 4:28 pm

Federal law prevent employers from requiring a vaccine issued under an emergency order. Your daughter can say NO and they cannot fire her for it.