NAILED IT

Submitted by Hardscrabble Farmer

I must have been extra busy in August to have missed this predictable press release, but it is a comfort to know that they are fulfilling my cynical expectations, right on schedule.

Wardrobe issues.

Via Slate

Spacesuits and Other Issues Mean NASA Isn’t Landing on the Moon in 2024

Two people stand in front of an American flag wearing spacesuits, with their hands raised in a waiving motion.

There’s a lot of ideas out there about how to make spacesuits better. There’s the MIT-led plan to create shrink-wrapped spacesuits based on the concept of negative pressure. Or a South Dakota School of Mines & Technology contraption that creates a wearable body monitoring system for astronauts. Not to mention a slew of nearly 50 companies that have shown interest in developing a spacesuit for NASA to purchase.

However, I think NASA would be happy just to finish the designs it’s currently working on, the first new suits it’s developed in decades—like the Exploration Extravehicular Mobility Unit. The xEMU is part of the next generation of the spacesuits already worn on the International Space Station, with upgrades that allow astronauts to not just survive on the Moon, but also live and work on it. The xEMUs and a set of new suits for onboard usage are a key part of the Artemis program, which was started by the Trump administration and aims to return humans to the moon by 2024.

Except it doesn’t seem like we’re going to the moon in 2024 after all—and the spacesuits are a big part of that delay.

Sure, the new xEMU suit solves a lot of the problems of previous suits. First, it significantly expands the range of people it can fit. That was a massive issue when NASA planned (and was later forced to scrub) its first all-female spacewalk in 2019 as the ISS did not have enough medium-sized torso suit components for the two astronauts. According to Kristine Davis, an engineer at NASA, the xEMU can be fitted to anyone from “first percentile female to the 99th percentile male.” The new suits will also be ready to handle extremely fine lunar dust and massive scales of temperature variation (-250 to +250 degrees Fahrenheit), while also improving suits’ ability to scrub carbon dioxide—extending the time an astronaut can spend in them. And in possibly the most helpful move for life on the Moon and eventually Mars, the xEMU should actually allow spacefarers to bend, squat, and walk—no more Apollo bunny hops.

The new line of spacesuits just falls short in one minorly important way: hitting deadlines. Originally, these spacesuits were supposed to be tested on the ISS in 2023 with a target date for the Artemis missions in 2028. After Trump’s acceleration, NASA required xEMU suits to be delivered for mission integration by March 31, 2023. Well, that’s not going to happen—with over 20 months of delays currently on the books. NASA’s Office of Inspector General released a report on Aug. 10 detailing the issues that have faced developers of next-generation spacesuits. Schedule pressure has led to mistakes, including at one point using the wrong specifications to construct part of the test next-gen suits’ interface components. Schedule constriction has also resulted in a timeline where spacesuit development and testing are occurring concurrently with other parts of Artemis, which has led to a “design maturity mismatch” and the possibility of future design mismatches as technical requirements are further defined. Misaligned schedules between various NASA offices have compounded issues in intra-agency coordination. Coordination is extra complicated because NASA is “assembling the spacesuit from components supplied by 27 different contractors and vendors.”

And that’s all without mentioning budgetary shortfalls, like that NASA only received 77 percent of its requested funding for the Gateway (an orbiting lunar outpost that is part of the Artemis program)—resulting in $69 million in budget cuts for spacesuit development this year alone. That’s “resulting in at least a 3-month delay to xEMU development schedule,” according to the report. Which makes sense given the massive costs of this project. In total, development of next-gen spacesuits is projected to cost more than $1 billion by the time of completion in Fiscal Year 2025. While there was no exact figure for what they should cost, that’s a ton of money to spend on suit development alone.

(Never fear, there’s someone who thinks they can solve NASA’s spacesuit woes. Elon Musk, has taken to Twitter to let us all know he’s ready to step in.)

Spacesuits are just some of the many reasons the U.S. likely won’t be landing astronauts on the Moon in 2024. Like it did to everything else, the coronavirus wreaked havoc on the timeline for the Artemis program—including temporarily shuttering space facilities and delaying work on mission infrastructure. Setbacks to the construction of the rocket to carry the mission also didn’t help. Plus, there was a legal battle between Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin and NASA after the agency selected SpaceX to build its human landing system for the lunar mission; Bezos was so incensed he offered NASA administrator Bill Nelson to pay $2 billion worth of costs if NASA changed course and selected Blue Origin instead. This protest process had more than contractual ramifications: The NASA IG report said that “delays related to lunar lander development and the recently decided lander contract award bid protests will also preclude a 2024 landing.” Billionaires just can’t play nice.

The delays regarding spacesuit construction and contract processes reveal some important insights about the space industry, especially in the context of government missions. First, politicians like Trump and former Vice President Pence seem to massively underestimate the complexity of designing a mission to the Moon. Just because we have done it before doesn’t mean there aren’t massive engineering hurdles to overcome, large amounts of money to spend, and complex interagency and cross-company collaborations required to make it happen. Second, while it is in vogue to deride private attempts at spaceflight, many of the issues faced by NASA in their push to land on the Moon are seemingly unique to public spaceflight in a rapidly privatizing industry. Unlike private companies, NASA is subject to changing political priorities, unsure and unstable funding dependent on the whims of Congressional negotiation, and the need to contract out to a slew of various private companies while maintaining strict oversight.

Beyond that, the troubles facing Artemis—both in spacesuit development and other sectors—highlight just how difficult crewed spaceflight is, and how expensive. The need for extra safety measures and the complexity of supporting life in the rugged environment of space is, well, hard. This isn’t a new or particularly earth-shattering point, but it’s always valuable to remember how much easier it is to send a robot beyond Earth’s atmosphere.

Have no doubt, the Artemis program will eventually reach the lunar surface. But rushing it probably wasn’t the best idea.

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MrLiberty
MrLiberty
November 17, 2021 4:09 pm

Why do they need to worry about REAL female astronauts? Just get a couple of the male astronauts to identify as female and the suit problem goes away.

And yeah, they certainly can’t use the suits they used the first time because…………………(sounds of crickets)………..

We will NEVER be going back because that would imply we went the first time, and we won’t be going for any first time either.

But we can develop a “vaccine” in 12 days that is perfectly safe for everyone on earth to take multiple doses of with absolutely no ill effects and 96% effectiveness.

Does any truth even exist out there….other than government lies about everything and is the greatest evil ever created by man??

Foot in the Forest
Foot in the Forest
  MrLiberty
November 17, 2021 5:47 pm

The Bible

rhs jr
rhs jr
  Foot in the Forest
November 17, 2021 11:46 pm

and we can be Christians and have doubts about parts of the OT and NT

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  rhs jr
November 18, 2021 1:38 am

I have no problem with the virgin birth or the resurrection. Walking on water, turning water into wine, no problem. Raising the dead girl and Lazarus, I’m there with you. I gotta admit, though, I’m having a real problem with this idea of a jewish carpenter. I mean c’mon.

Steve
Steve
  Iska Waran
November 18, 2021 3:05 pm

Why? Jews are a very adaptable people.

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist
  Iska Waran
November 18, 2021 5:16 pm

Did the snake really talk?

Saxons Wrath
Saxons Wrath
  Foot in the Forest
November 18, 2021 12:03 am

What does NASA’s initials stand for?

Never
A
Straight
Answer

Anonymous
Anonymous
  MrLiberty
November 18, 2021 12:15 am

No, no truth anywhere. Except for that.

Guest
Guest
November 17, 2021 4:21 pm

Here’s a good, entertaining over view. These two guys are a good place to go to for research.

Ghost
Ghost
  Guest
November 17, 2021 6:39 pm

I’m just at the beginning and made this comment about the announcement that Australia has just granted itself the legal authority to search your computer remotely and extract or alter data.

I am positive they are already doing that.

clayusmcret
clayusmcret
November 17, 2021 4:21 pm

52 years later, America cannot go back to the moon because women can’t pee in their suits….or some other silly thing.

Gomer
Gomer
  clayusmcret
November 17, 2021 5:39 pm

Send The Resident, he is already way out there plus… he already craps in his pants.

Ghost
Ghost
  clayusmcret
November 17, 2021 6:52 pm

I got one word for you.

Tampon.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  clayusmcret
November 17, 2021 11:38 pm

“Back” to the moon??? Lol

rhs jr
rhs jr
  clayusmcret
November 17, 2021 11:49 pm

USAF maintenance women can’t pee on the tire of an aircraft and require taxies to haul them back and fourth to a bathroom. I wonder if the Army has to do that for women at the front?

Ghost
Ghost
  rhs jr
November 18, 2021 7:30 am

Actually, if one squats against the landing gear, it is possible to piss on the tire, however the drip-dry is problematic.

rhs jr
rhs jr
  Ghost
November 18, 2021 7:46 am

The females refuse and the colonels do what the females want…for some reason…

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  clayusmcret
November 18, 2021 1:41 am

Obviously you can’t send women to the moon. They’d get lost.

rhs jr
rhs jr
  Iska Waran
November 18, 2021 7:48 am

No bathrooms with a break area…

RiNS
RiNS
November 17, 2021 4:39 pm

Why would they need to design a new spacesuit.. the old ones were amazing

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist
November 17, 2021 4:43 pm

I’d suggest NASA simply use the equipment that went flawlessly to the moon
so many times before, but alas, the blueprints and technical data for the
greatest engineering feat of all humanity has been completely lost.
NONE of any of it can be found. Including that fabulous two man “mune” buggy.
Sad.comment image:large

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Colorado Artist
November 17, 2021 5:04 pm

Mirrors.

GS
GS
  MrLiberty
November 17, 2021 5:27 pm

It was already there. They where just bowering it. Come on man, everybody knows that

BL
BL
  GS
November 17, 2021 8:21 pm

It was a Hertz rental from the nearby Nazi moon base.

Norman Franklin
Norman Franklin
  BL
November 18, 2021 8:40 am

It was an early Ikea prototype, some assembly required.

Gomer
Gomer
  Colorado Artist
November 17, 2021 5:49 pm

Dehydrated dune buggy, just add water and wait 2 minute.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Gomer
November 17, 2021 6:21 pm

Like the little dinosaurs that come in the capsules.

comment image

falconflight
falconflight
  Gomer
November 17, 2021 6:38 pm

I thought that everyone knew that…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Colorado Artist
November 17, 2021 6:55 pm

Just add water. Tang is great.

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man
  Anonymous
November 17, 2021 7:31 pm

Is tang even available any more? Drank it as a kid. Was also hypoglycemic as a kid!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  The Boogie Man
November 18, 2021 7:55 am

I don’t think so. Tang, what a laugh.

Captain_Obviuos
Captain_Obviuos
  The Boogie Man
November 18, 2021 12:36 pm

Tang certainly is still available.

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist
  The Boogie Man
November 18, 2021 5:18 pm

It is!
But alas, “Space Food Sticks” are no longer made.

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka
  Colorado Artist
November 17, 2021 7:17 pm

Don Pettit: “I would go to the moon in a nanosecond, but we lost the technology and it is painful to build it back up.”

Pogo
Pogo
  Colorado Artist
November 18, 2021 12:06 am

Dope. It folded. Plans are on the web.

Tsubion
Tsubion
  Pogo
November 18, 2021 12:25 pm

They played golf too!! Fifty years ago! And took lots of pictures! And collected rocks! And went back lots of times in the seventies with a calculator for an onboard computer! Amazing! And the lunar lander was held together with duct tape and tin foil! And we haven’t been back since because….

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist
  Pogo
November 18, 2021 5:20 pm

Did the Alkali batteries that powered it at -270 for 3 days fold up too?
Those aren’t included in the “plans on the web.”
How long would your car battery last? The 32 volt “silver zinc” batteries
supposed powering the thing were less efficient than your car battery.
And the “plans” found were single drawings of the thing.
No “plans” of any kind.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Colorado Artist
November 18, 2021 10:51 pm
i forget
i forget
November 17, 2021 4:51 pm

War•drobe malfunction. The skin(ning) trade. Must be, per Taleb et al(l others whose perception=comprehension’s high enough…cannibalism on Lord of the Flies weland) skin in the game, but who’s to be or not to be skinned – that is the rhetorical question.

“Socialism for the wealthy “elite” & “free enterprise” for the rest” as Vidal put it.

I watched actor Franco’s movie rendition of Steinbeck’s In Dubious Battle recently…substitute apples (stock valuations) for planets, apple barons for the operation paperclipped NASA•state, & pickers ~ applenauts? ~ for the skinned &, well…the superficial details fade out to black vacuum space where nobody can hear the screams — it’s all the same old story…and this dustbowl isn’t a concluding trilogy, it’s a serial bowl runneth over.

Coulda’ been an actornaut, but I wound up here ♪♫♪

Ghost
Ghost
  i forget
November 17, 2021 7:58 pm

substitute apples (stock valuations) for planets, apple barons for the operation paperclipped NASA•state, & pickers ~ applenauts? ~ for the skinned &, well…the superficial details fade out to black vacuum space where nobody can hear the screams — it’s all the same old story…and this dustbowl isn’t a concluding trilogy, it’s a serial bowl runneth over.

I have been thinking of our old comrade from el paso – a town our old balladeer Marti Robbins told us held Rosa’s Cantina where Felena would whirl.

And, for those who need to find their mouse?

Apparently, Of Mice and Men has morphed into Micely Men due to extensive laboratory research on the genome for medicinal purpose.

(i forget? how’d i do?)

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Ghost
November 17, 2021 9:51 pm

Maggie – I think El Coyote would approve of your Marty Robbins tune, even though we are not allowed to say Mexican girl anymore. It brought back good memories for me.

rhs jr
rhs jr
  TN Patriot
November 18, 2021 12:04 am

A “sweet little Rosa” hit me on the head with a beer bottle in Laredo Nuevo for nada reason when I was a cadet stationed at San Antonio… I also like the Masters Call (the cattle would have trampled him but Jesus sent a bolt of lightning to kill them) and “Come a little closer, you’re my kind of man, so big and so strong”.

i forget
i forget
  Ghost
November 18, 2021 6:10 pm

You did great, Ghost.

Lived in EP for a bit, when I was very young.

(Seems like memory says another distinctive voice, Sam Elliott, hailed from around those parts. SE stakes out & owns a place in ones ears, & EC did the same in that blend of eyes & inner ears that can be experienced in print.)

And years later, that Robbins tune was assigned to me & brother, to play on our guitars.

“Micely men” ~ nicely done.

Like you, I raised meat rodents.

(Which bunnies apparently are no longer considered to be.)

For the snakes.

(Thought I might grow up, & out, to be a herpetologist, maybe underwritten in reptilian adventures by Mutual of Omaha. But just like everything else those old crazy dreams just kinda came & went ♪♫♪ ~ Little Pink Houses).

The practicalities ~~~ behind, & beneath, & especially in front of, the dreams-sssss ~~~ of catching & keeping snakes & running a breeding operation to feed them was not as continuously pregnant with lessons in metaphor forms as all those 100’s of mice were constantly falling backconceiving & offspringing forward 24/7/365, clocks on the wall be damned – but I got a plenty big family out of it, a constellation of connections, without even trying, too.

It’s true. Hugely true. Man-eating has been woven into the environment to such an extent that it now even 3D prints micelyness. The al/chemical soup nazi serves the soup that takes away the soup.

Serves? Inundates.

The test tube nerds cash paychecks from destestible self-loathing deathwish-projectors.

But…back when men were men & the sheep weren’t, seemingly, as plentiful or as afraid as now, what did those stalwarts of 4-digit testosterone do? How did they behave? Were they not also conforming & ostensibly controlled & directed by & to the purposes of self-loathing deathwish-projectors? Those *other* self-loathing deathwish-projectors?

As I watched In Dubious Battle, ostensibly a tale of two sides (lets call them the powerside & the power/less•powerside), I heard the “song” ~ more of a guttural chant, really ~ that’s backgrounded this elevator ride my whole life.

First note/grunt is that the “two sides” have far more in common than not.

Second Clonk Clonk (a Golding story, in his Scorpion God collection – Big G was in WW2 too) is that the lesser lessees always face off with the levees & dykes & dams that the less lesser lessors lease them to waste themselves, each other, upon.

I long ago lost the youthful pretzel-pride I took in killing vipers when I was a boy. But that doesn’t mean I lost the information. When it’s necessary to kill a poisonous snake, you aim for the head, not the tail…

…or Thoreau’s root, not leafy each others.

But the boys are always “sent by the head” to do dubious battle with other boys all of whom are in the tail. Could there ever be a sadder, more suicidally pernicious, tale?

Incorrect self-correction…automatically autopiloted. Who wrote this damn story? Whoever, or whatever, wrote it is insane. Likes to pull the wings off flies, whilst thinking itself Lord, sadist-insane.

Vidal writes about his fascination with twins, other (complementary/completing) halves, doubleness, mirrors. And he recounts the written words of his complement, friend, lover in youth, Jimmie Trimble, who died ~ was killed ~ along with most of the other Marine scout platoon he was with, on Iwo Jima…

“From October to February he seems to have had a quiet time on guam. For one month he was again a baseball player, helping the division team win the local championship. On February 4 he played his last game for the division. He reports to his mother that he has sprained his ankle; meanwhile, “everything is once again wonderful with Christine & me.” He remarks that his mother is a “worse procrastinator than I ever was” – she has not sent him a long-promised picture of herself, so “how about sending one while there is still a tomorrow?” He recalls the Sunday picnics that they used to have in the Virginia mountains. “I’ll never forgive myself for refusing to follow your advice to stay in college. After the war we won’t receive any credit for having been out here…Mom, please don’t get the blues over what I am going to say, but some insurance should be taken out just in case. Mom, you know if anything happens to me you are to have all I possess but I would like to ask one favor: You know the gold ring with the diamonds sey halfway around? Well, Mom, if (it won’t) anything does happen, would you give it to Chris for me? Kind of a memorial the other way around.” Finally, “Well, Mom, I’ll write again in a couple of days…All my love to the swellest Mom in all the world. Your devoted son, Jimmie.”

This letter could have been written in the Civil War. The tone is also that of Andy Hardy in a n MGM movie, but there were once real boys like that, before the great sulleness spread over the land.

February 25, 1945, Jimmie arrived at Iwo Jima in what turned out to be one of the bloodiest engagements of the war. Twenty thousand Japanese were killed, 6,821 American troops were killed, mostly teenage Marines. Jimmie was in the 4th Platoon. A member of what was called the Reconnaissance Company. A survivor of the platoon recalls, “I was with the first observation team that went up there; we stayed three days, then they relieved us; I saw him [Jimmie] when they relieved us, & that was the last time. They relocated their position forward; lost contact with them. In the early morning hours.”

There were eight men in Jimmie’s squadron as of the night of February 28. Thet were arranged, as far as I can tell from a news story, two to a foxhole “on a slope overlooking our infantry front line & the enemy’s concrete placements beyond. As dawn broke at 4:45, March 1, 1945, all hell broke loose upon them. A Jap raiding party had infiltrated the front lines & attacked their post.” Six of the eight were killed” “one…was dead in his foxhole. He had been bayaoneted in his sleep. Another had been killed by a grenade, & a third by rifle fire. One burned poncho was found in the foxhole shared by the two missing men….Sixty-three Jap bodies sprawled in the observation post’s little battleground.”

Jimmie was the scout who was killed by a grenade. Another Marine who was there bears witness: “We were all real proud of Jim Trimble, & everybody else was. He was a joy to be around. He had a good personality. He was always joking. I know he wanted to go back & go to school & play professional baseball. He was just a joy to be around. I remember that he went to the ship’s store – because it was cold up in Iwo. Everybody thinks of it as the Pacific, but it was their winter up there, & it was only 700 miles from Tokyo. Jim went in & bought a black Navy watch sweater. He was theonly guy that kept warm, before this happened. But then, you know, I’ll never forget the way that grenade hit him in the back, & that sweater was just all wrapped up inside of him.

“You know, in circumstances like that, you’re probably closer to those guys than you are to your own brothers. Of course, for me now, we’re talking about 50 years. You kind of forget. Like I said, the wars all kind of blend into each other.

He was tall, blond, curly hair. But I’ll tell you, he was heavy, carrying back. I thought I’d die. At that age, you know, I was 18, & I weighed about 145. He had to weigh 160. He felt like 2,000 pounds by the time I got back to the foxhole.”

When the commanding general heard of Jimmie’s death, he was, according to a witness, “moist-eyed” for one boy lost in all that carnage. The Third Division named its baseball field on Guam Trimble Field. That was that. Since then, “the wars all kind of blend into each other.” …

“[TP] Gore explains his “resolution [that] warned American citizens not to exercise the right to travel on the armed ships of a nelligerent….I introduced that resolution two or three days after the celebrated Sunrise Conference which is now ‘historic’…I thought then that we were speeding headlong into war – as we were.” For someone brought up in the wreckage of the Civil War, any *foreign* war seemed like perfect folly. For someone who detested the country’s ruling class, the idea of a war that would be profitable only to the Rockefellers & to the Morgans was insupportable. Certainly, those who actually fought the war would not do well out of it. But then they never do. From one of Jimmie Trimble’s last letters to his mother from Iwo Jima: “After the war, we won’t receive any credit for having been out here. It’s the smart guy who stays in the States earning money. I’m not even getting much self-satisfaction by telling myself that I’m at least doing my part, for peace of mind does no good if anything happens.” Three weeks later something happened. When I wrote in a memorial issue of Newsweek about the war & Jimmie’s death, letters from ex-marines began to arrive. They are still in a rage at what was done to them, not to mention all the dead.”

Infiltrating Japs killed Jimmie Trimble and the others. Just at the end, there. But the real infiltrating killers that suffused the preceding span of time, from conception all the way to that last bit of time on Iwo Jima, that OS & ouroboros snake, twisted on itself ∞, are the real killers.

Ghost
Ghost
  i forget
November 18, 2021 7:01 pm

This is ponderable, so I will ponder it and reply in kind but for now will just say I .

My dear friend lived in a gated posh neighborhood in OKC where the homes were very expensive (relatively) and on large two- and three-acre lots, well landscaped with a strict neighborhood code.

My friend’s neighbor was an OKC policeman who raised boa constrictors in his shed behind his home, where he also bred rats and mice to feed the snakes. As a policeman, he was quite used to not following rules.

KaD
KaD
November 17, 2021 4:59 pm

Fine with me, America’s broke anyways. We don’t have the money for this nonsense.

GS
GS
  KaD
November 17, 2021 5:24 pm

Seems like they don’t need actual money. Why do we pay taxes again?

falcoflight
falcoflight
  GS
November 17, 2021 6:38 pm

To make you care…

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man
  falcoflight
November 17, 2021 7:05 pm

To make us feel is more like it

falconflight
falconflight
  The Boogie Man
November 17, 2021 8:45 pm

pain

rhs jr
rhs jr
  falconflight
November 18, 2021 12:08 am

It’s easy money…

Mista Ed - Shape Shifta
Mista Ed - Shape Shifta
November 17, 2021 5:56 pm

One way you can tell the Apollo missions never went to the moon is that the suits were not ‘suitable’, and the photos had many wardrobe inconsistencies.

You can read more here, in this lengthy article:
https://www.aulis.com/suits.htm

I’m no expert, but until they come up with a radiation deflection device there won’t be anyone walking around on the the moon for very long. Maybe each suit can have a couple hundred Monster Magnets sewed into it.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
November 17, 2021 6:03 pm

Question: If we had battery-powered cars that could fold themselves up and fit into a suitcase then why don’t we have them now? It seems like a waste of amazing technology.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  NickelthroweR
November 17, 2021 6:22 pm

Actually, the astronauts pulled it out of their ass….just like the whole story.

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man
  NickelthroweR
November 17, 2021 8:52 pm

Perplexing ^

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka
  NickelthroweR
November 18, 2021 8:24 am

I went to the Smithsonian a couple of years ago and took a photo of myself with the foil wrapped thingie (lunar lander) just because it looked so ridiculous.

In 1996, I saw a real live space shuttle start in Cape Canaveral at night time. At that time, I believed it was actually going into outer space. So by my own eyes I can confirm that they did have some rockets that went at least a few thousand feet up.

OriginalDan
OriginalDan
November 17, 2021 6:22 pm

That answers that, first all female space walk means they have to design a space suit that does not make them look fat and goes well with heels.

Mista Ed - Shape Shifta
Mista Ed - Shape Shifta
  OriginalDan
November 17, 2021 6:35 pm

“Honey, does this spacesuit make my ass look fat?”

“No dear, your ass makes your ass look fat.”

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man
  Mista Ed - Shape Shifta
November 17, 2021 7:32 pm

LOL! Nailed it!

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Mista Ed - Shape Shifta
November 17, 2021 8:13 pm

And that is how you ended up in the ER.

Steve
Steve
  Mista Ed - Shape Shifta
November 18, 2021 3:07 pm

Nope, but you’re blocking out the moon, dear.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
November 17, 2021 6:33 pm

Do we not have astronauts today? The ISIS space station, that’s allegedly in space, isn’t it? And they keep streaming video of what appear to be females in what look to be space suits floating around doing whatever it is they do up there, so what exactly is the problem?

It’s tiresome once you get over the fraud part. It’s one thing to be lied to and taken advantage of, that happens to everyone and then you move on with your life, but this a generational thing, this constant rubbing of our noses in their shit while they spin one transparent yarn after another, and follow up each Barnumesque pronouncement made with trumpets and fanfare on every network with some three sentence excuse buried at the bottom of the want ads five years years and billions of dollars later to explain why none of it ever comes to fruition.

It’s just a high tech mafia crew bleeding us dry for their own amusement.

Every time I hear these people now it always sounds like someone saying nice house, it would be a shame if anything were to happen to it with that evil grin.

I know, I know, your Grampy handcrafted O-rings on a foot pedal lathe for NASA in the 1920’s and he would never lie.

Cool story, bro.

m
m
  hardscrabble farmer
November 18, 2021 3:53 am

My sides, my sides! You’re really outdoing yourself with this one, HSF.

The whole ISS is fake! The Hubble telescope repair was fake too. The space shuttle never carried a living human, they were remotely controlled from the first flight, including during landing. The Challenger explosion was just for show.

The videos of EVA walks in the late sixties were obviously all fake, filmed by Kubrick, as we never had functioning space suits. The fantastic background pictures of the Earth from orbit were taken by remote controlled satellites. (Because while our technology wasn’t advanced enough to fly to the moon -even just from a technical standpoint-, we WERE able to build remote controlled film cameras in the 60s, shoot them into low orbit on a satellite, film the earth, and land and recover the film, to use it for the fake production!)

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka
  m
November 18, 2021 6:47 am

Low orbit shmorbit. Photos either through round airplane window cutout or composite images.
On a family trip to Colorado in October 2020, we went to a playground in beautiful Salida on a crisp weekday morning. There was another Dad with school aged kids, so we started chatting about homeschooling. After a very short while, I told him it was so nice to see unmasked people there, since MA is populated with NPCs. He said “oh, you are familiar with that term.” Turns out he was a 3D modelling and computer guy, video game development etc. He had also fallen off the deep end, like me, went on to tell me that we never went to the moon, satellites don’t exist and all earth images are CGI Before he awakened to all that, he almost got a job at NASA once. Now, his dream was to find a large piece of land in a less dry climate and farm or to buy and run a health food store. He lamented the fact that he went into computers and wished he did something more useful with his life, something more “real” as he put it.

rhs jr
rhs jr
  Svarga Loka
November 18, 2021 8:08 am

I was at Hq SAC when the POS Shuttle was born; it was real and so were all it’s pieces that scattered all over south Dixie. I worked for AFSATCOM and satellites are very real; put me down for real trips to the Moon in 1969 etc too. I’ve seen 3 very different UFOs (cigar, saucer, and a large flying evidently ocean explorer) within 50-150 ft and they are very real metal craft too. I am 100% positive Jesus is real and “lives” although the Gospels contain many myths. I can’t unify the Gospels and UFOs any more than Einstein could Unify Physics.

GNL
GNL
November 17, 2021 6:57 pm

There is no such thing as a moon. We’ve all been duped.

🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man
  GNL
November 17, 2021 7:06 pm

Thanks, I was always suspicious of it being made out of cheese.

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man
  The Boogie Man
November 17, 2021 7:08 pm

I always look up and say “That mother fuckers made out of cheese

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man
  The Boogie Man
November 17, 2021 7:14 pm

You can also tell when the guy who runs the projector is off from work. Dah! This guy must get 1 week off a month. Then he cant even get the whole thing to show in focus. Some times 2/3 of it isn’t even visible.

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man
  The Boogie Man
November 17, 2021 8:33 pm

Just went out for a smoke… Looks like the death star is in full bloom tonight. Projector is on target tonight!

jo
jo
  The Boogie Man
November 17, 2021 8:21 pm

During tonight’s (well, 4 a.m. on Thurs.) lunar eclipse, folks’ll think it was a medium-rare NY Strip.

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man
  jo
November 17, 2021 8:25 pm

Yum!😊

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka
  GNL
November 17, 2021 7:19 pm

I do wonder at times what the moon is exactly. And then I set the alarm clock for Friday 4:30am so I can see the partial eclipse and just enjoy the beauty of it.

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man
  Svarga Loka
November 17, 2021 7:21 pm

It’s an alien space station of course. where have you been?

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  The Boogie Man
November 17, 2021 8:16 pm
grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Svarga Loka
November 17, 2021 8:14 pm

The Bible says it’s a female and self luminescent; the lesser light to rule the night. A celestial body. It is a part of the most magnificent timepiece ever conceived.

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man
  grace country pastor
November 17, 2021 8:20 pm

Hmmm. I will have to think about that. ………………Nah!

I’m going with cheese thing!

Ken31
Ken31
  grace country pastor
November 17, 2021 9:57 pm

Did the bible check under its tail, or what?

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man
  grace country pastor
November 18, 2021 10:01 am

Just trying to keep it lite. If the Bible says it’s a female and self luminescent. who am I to argue?

monger
monger
November 17, 2021 7:22 pm

Meanwhile it’s a great way to launder money to insiders… what is this crap, first you have to believe we even went to the moon, then you have to look at the real threat of space debris in orbit smashing into satellites and triggering an impenetrable debris field around the planet. Doomed to failure, like everything else the USG has it’s fingers in.

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man
  monger
November 17, 2021 7:22 pm

Don’t forget the radiation!

rhs jr
rhs jr
  The Boogie Man
November 18, 2021 12:15 am

That belt of radiation normally is blocking a lot of Cosmic Rays (but not during a Solar Minimum).

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
November 17, 2021 7:41 pm

There is no money in NASA landing men on the moon and returning them safely to earth. There is beaucoup money in piddling around making ready to take men to the moon and return them safely to earth, and that is what NASA will do.

Maybe Bezos or Branson, or (enter Chinese name here) will get a crew together but…. there is damned little reason to spend the money it will cost to actually send man back to the moon. And there is a LOT of reasons to think that spending much time on the lunar surface is very bad for human health. And robotic ability to explore, sense and sample are growing every day.

Back to the moon? Not any time soon, and not NASA, ever. That won’t keep them from spending all the money they can though.

Steve Z.
Steve Z.
November 17, 2021 8:06 pm

Temperature extremes of 250F in the sun and -270F in the dark.
Solar radiation and millions of micro meteors doing thousands of miles per hour
America…fuck yeah!

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Steve Z.
November 18, 2021 9:11 am

Well there is an alternative explanation.

Ghost
Ghost
  hardscrabble farmer
November 18, 2021 10:14 am

I emailed a video to Admin entitled Dark Persuasion: long subtitle about Pavlov

I hope it didn’t fall into the rabbit hole and shows up but this video focuses more closely on the Manhattan Project of the Mind aka MK Ultra and the use of LSD to alter or erase memories.

The experiments were positively evil.

Ghost
Ghost
  hardscrabble farmer
November 18, 2021 7:03 pm

The connection is this: Would it have been possible to modify astronaut memories enough to make them believe their playtime on the moon was real? At least some of them?

That might be why Collins’s comment about “well, the animated shots… there weren’t cameras on the moon” was interesting. We’ve all been told about the magic camera that shot the perfect image.

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misantrhope
misantrhope
November 17, 2021 10:06 pm

Hardscrabble Farmer:

Most of us are struggling with time constaints. Please reduce the length of your articles and get to the fucking point, please.

rhs jr
rhs jr
  misantrhope
November 18, 2021 12:17 am

succinct

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  misantrhope
November 18, 2021 8:00 am

Just so I understand you correctly-

When I post a link to an article written by someone else, you’d like me to first edit it down to a Reader’s Digest condensed version rather than expect the reader to skim the original version? Because I have all the time in the world?

I’ll get right on it.

Ghost
Ghost
  hardscrabble farmer
November 18, 2021 8:21 am

And, if you don’t mind, please point out the most relevant information by either bolding the font or, even better, with summary bullet points introducing the article with hyperlinks to the relevant paragraphs.

That would really be awesome.

Thanks for going to all this trouble so people do not actually have to read and think.

OriginalDan
OriginalDan
  misantrhope
November 18, 2021 11:06 am

You could try spending less time watching porn.

Steve
Steve
  OriginalDan
November 18, 2021 3:09 pm

I thought that was porn. Oops, wrong blog.

Steve Z.
Steve Z.
  Steve
November 19, 2021 5:34 pm

The original Steve changed his name to Steve Z. It was tiring having people think I wrote such dumb shit.

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 17, 2021 11:20 pm

But if what I ate did not agree with me and I need an Urgent defecation, what are my odds of doing a San Francisco squat miles from the vacuum throne.

rhs jr
rhs jr
  Anonymous
November 18, 2021 12:19 am

You do what all fighter pilots do…

JiffyJeff
JiffyJeff
November 18, 2021 12:25 am

All them words in his article without one mentioning the former technology so groundbreaking and amazing it was simply lost in a few years. The biggest most obvious pile of BS that keeps on giving. Thankfully not all of us are so stupid to believe the lies.

rhs jr
rhs jr
  JiffyJeff
November 18, 2021 8:18 am

How many Slickers can make an arrowhead, tan a hide, survive an Ice Age Winter? NASA forgot how to make a Saturn Rocket; they don’t even know we are a decade into a Grand Solar Minimum (the Eddy Minimum). I hope they all take The Shot.

Shotgun Trooper
Shotgun Trooper
November 18, 2021 4:21 am

They keep complaining we can’t see the back side of the moon, thereby implying the moon is flat. It’s just rolling around us like a penny…..

rhs jr
rhs jr
  Shotgun Trooper
November 18, 2021 8:25 am

a sphere and it’s not rolling at all on any axis; it is locked in orbit like a man and a woman slow dancing…when they spin, one high tide is on the opposite side of the earth (the other is between them). Science is so sexy.

Tsubion
Tsubion
  rhs jr
November 18, 2021 12:54 pm

Yes but why do these planetoids do this? I wish they wouldn’t. It’s creepy. Like someone never showing you what’s behind their back. And our Moon isn’t the only one. It’s like a cult out there.

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 18, 2021 4:48 am

this whole issue is one of those total fluff subjects that endless nonsense can be spun out from to keep people distracted. this civilization is swirling around the bowl on its last few spins til it’s down the toilet. Nobody is sending anybody to the moon, probably ever. nobody can afford that anymore. even when we could afford it, it’s a likely as not that the whole effort was half real and half deception. they sure spent a lot on rockets and gadgets and what have you. they sent a bunch of stuff flying up into space. Probably had people in some of them. Some things did get to the moon. Maybe the missions didnt go so well and they faked some things to not blemish the image of omnipotence. theres certainly a lot that smells funny around the edges of that whole story. maybe as someone who did not live through those years to remember the atmosphere and hype around it, it matters less to me whether it was real or fake. i missed that one by just a couple years..

but the tabloid-quality stories about ‘space’ drama are really just that – fluff for the slice of the population who are true believers in a star trek future (and in order to drive this machine nightmare, they needed armies of highly trained nerds to run the machinery, and inspired many of them with some high-tech-future bullshit) to keep on believeing.
none of that is gonna happen.

rhs jr
rhs jr
  Anonymous
November 18, 2021 8:50 am

Great except technology will progress and seem like magic by today’s understanding. I’ve seen Florida go from no electricity and out houses in the 40s to Space Ships and Flip Phones; only Democratic Socialism can fuck up future Progress …

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  rhs jr
November 18, 2021 9:10 am

You’re confusing refinements with originality. The word progress has been so bastardized it no longer resembles the founding premise. There hasn’t been a significant invention in the last half century. The Age of Enlightenment is over, we are now moving into the consolidation of Technics, as Francis Parker Yockey prophesied in Imperium, where all science is focused not on discovery and invention, but harnessed by bureaucrats into a force of surveillance and domination.

Inventions elevate mankind, Technics oppress them.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
November 18, 2021 12:13 pm

I have changed my opinion about three years ago, that based on what the Enlightenment has really brought us, it would be a good thing if it were over.

I’m not that optimistic on that count as you, though…

Thunderdolt
Thunderdolt
November 18, 2021 7:15 am

Excerpted from Wagging the MoonDoggie by Dave McGowan.

So begins Moon Machines: The Space Suit. As previously noted, Alan Shepard had ridden the
first manned Mercury capsule into sub-orbit just before Kennedy’s announcement. The
Mercury program, launched in 1959, just after the formation of NASA, was America’s first
space program. The suits used for that program were, according to both NASA and the talkingheads
on the Science Channel, redundant. The capsules provided the astronauts with their first
line of defense; the suits were only an emergency back-up that no one was sure would even
work.
But now, with Kennedy’s commitment to the Apollo program, our astronauts were going to
need suits that provided their first and only line of defense. NASA did not yet have suits that
could operate off the ship’s life support systems through umbilical cords (such as would be
needed to perform space-walks) and now it needed suits capable of providing fully independent
life support. In other words, starting essentially from scratch, NASA was going to have to
come up with one of the most technologically advanced spacesuits ever conceived. And it was
going to have to do it very quickly.
Eight companies reportedly submitted proposals to NASA for consideration. Almost all were
companies that were known within the aerospace industry. One, however, was known for its
work in a somewhat different field of endeavor; the International Latex Corporation was best
known as the manufacturer of Playtex bras and girdles. Improbably enough though, it would
soon be adding Apollo spacesuits to its product line.
(Wikipedia, it should be noted, contains a much different version of events than what was
provided by Moon Machines, including a claim that ILC began designing spacesuits “as early
as 1955.” The version provided by the Science Channel, however, came directly from the
people who were involved in the project. And the company’s own promotional materials hold
that “ILC started designing suits on 1961; started making test and prototype suits in 1964; and
started delivering suits for use by Apollo astronauts in 1966.”)

Fielding Mellish
Fielding Mellish
November 18, 2021 7:20 am

Amazing to think that we went to the Moon in 1969 (or did we) and now we can’t seem to get our shit together to do it again.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Fielding Mellish
November 18, 2021 8:02 am

When you say amazing, do you mean unbelievable?

Ghost
Ghost
  hardscrabble farmer
November 18, 2021 8:37 am

I think Fielding is relatively new here.

This really hasn’t gotten the attention it should garner. It’s been a while.

visible stars to Michael Collins on Gemini?

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka
  Fielding Mellish
November 18, 2021 8:33 am

And with technology that was less advanced than the Commodore C64. (I loved that thing when I was 12). Now you can get a $40 Raspberry Pi to run an old fashioned game emulator with 120,000 games on it. But no, we do not have the technology to replicate something from 70 years ago. Unbelievable.

m
m
  Svarga Loka
November 18, 2021 12:07 pm

I think the argument was “we do not have the technology ready at hand, to replicate something from 70 years ago.”

rhs jr
rhs jr
  Fielding Mellish
November 18, 2021 9:12 am

You forgot about LBJ starting the Great Society about 1965: Affirmative Discrimination, Bussing, Dumbed Down public schools, Reconstruction II, crime pays, the destruction of Meritocracy and Traditions and build back better Kakistocracy? If we didn’t have a Welfare Economy, we wouldn’t have no Economy at all! The gobermint buys stupid and boy are we getting our monies worth of (sh)it. Moon heck, we can’t beat goat fuckers and the Modern China Dragon wants a piece of us now; they will make good use our new highways.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
November 18, 2021 8:42 am

I saw this when it was first announced and called BS the day I posted the link- for obvious reasons- but I never realized just how brazen their BS would be when it came time to kick the can down the road- as they always do.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-publishes-artemis-plan-to-land-first-woman-next-man-on-moon-in-2024

Here’s the statement, the link is above-

Sep 21, 2020

NASA Publishes Artemis Plan to Land First Woman, Next Man on Moon in 2024

Now from the article at he top of this thread-

Originally, these spacesuits were supposed to be tested on the ISS in 2023 with a target date for the Artemis missions in 2028.

That’s just a flat out lie. How do they keep getting away with telling lies and having journalists just roll with it? How hard could it have been to fact check that simple data point? NASA wasn’t forced at gunpoint to come up with a date for the mission, they could have said 2035 and given themselves a lot more breathing room, but no, they had to say 2024. Now they’re pretending that 2028 was always the target date. And next year it will be 2032. And so on, and so on.

And no matter how many times you point out the obvious lies and falsehoods, there’s always someone willing to come around, mocking anyone who points them out and then claim some kind of personal connection to this steaming pile of horseshit by telling you about how their MeeMaw repaired slide rules in Houston for 60 years, so yeah, we definitely went to the Moon in 1969.

It’s all so tiresome.

Ghost
Ghost
  hardscrabble farmer
November 18, 2021 9:16 am

At least we have Tang.

Of course, that really had nothing to do with the space program… or did it?

Maybe General Foods wasn’t selling enough Tang and so they got the news gatekeepers to link Tang to the “space program” and suddenly Tang became a healthy breakfast drink for children. And after the FDA approved high fructose corn syrup as real sugar, I’m betting there has been an uptick in childhood obesity and diabetes.

The FDA has been trying to kill us for a long time.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Ghost
November 18, 2021 9:35 am

Probably one of the most effective product placement advertising strategies in the history of mankind.

I grew up drinking that swill thinking I had some kind of connection to the Moon landing.

Sad.

Ghost
Ghost
  hardscrabble farmer
November 18, 2021 10:31 am

I think this is one hundred, brought to you by Tang, the favorite breakfast drink of John Glenn, the first geriatric to go into space, long before Captain Kirk.

m
m
  hardscrabble farmer
November 18, 2021 10:26 am

Yeah, let’s just pile it all together!

I mean when I say we wouldn’t be able to fly to the moon today and return safely, because we have no more engineers that have learned how to build things with a Plan B, C, D, and E in mind – that means I must disbelieve the 1969 moon landing too??
Or when I’m saying it is completely impossible to have a mission fly to Mars, land on it, and return safely, even if whole humanity spent 20 years of excess capacity on designing, building, and assembling in orbit such an expedition – then I cannot be stating such without saying the same for 1969???

It’s truly tiresome, in that you are correct.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  m
November 18, 2021 10:36 am

I understand you.

You believe it.

Your tolerance for duplicity exceeds my own.

m
m
  hardscrabble farmer
November 18, 2021 12:04 pm

I haven’t seen a serious argument to refute it – you know, an argument that at a minimum when making an outrageous claim applies that claim’s consequences equally in both directions [meaning pro and contra.]

You for sure haven’t been able to present one.

Tsubion
Tsubion
  m
November 18, 2021 1:05 pm

Money.

Ken31
Ken31
  m
November 18, 2021 2:37 pm

Nobody feels like rehashing old ground for you special. If they tell any lies at all, you have to question the rest. They have lied.

m
m
  Ken31
November 19, 2021 1:10 pm

Yes, I do that.
But a single lie doesn’t automatically represent a “smoking gun”, nor makes it a “litmus test.”

If you cannot be bothered to rehash old ground in a concise, to the point type of way while considering my requirement above, then the problem might be more on your side.

Ken31
Ken31
  hardscrabble farmer
November 18, 2021 2:35 pm

Affirmative action bullshit is just that. It is offensive to rational people.

Ghost
Ghost
November 18, 2021 1:38 pm

This is four very funny minutes about being one of those men…

whoopie
whoopie
November 18, 2021 1:57 pm

The dimwits at MIT with their “elastic” space suit seem unaware that the vacuum of space is intensely cold and dry. Their sexy suit might provide limited protection inside a spacecraft if there’s a leak, but outside, you’d be freeze dried in minutes.

Random63
Random63
November 18, 2021 3:33 pm

They should let Playtex design and build the suits like they did during the Apollo program. Worked well then.