America’s Attila the Hun moment

Via Sovereign Man

In the year 435 AD, after several years of endless menacing from the nomadic Hun tribe, the Roman Empire was ready to make a deal.

The Huns were fairly new on the continent; they had originally come from central Eurasia as recently as 370 AD. Yet in the span of a few short decades, they quickly established themselves as the dominant tribe in Eastern Europe, conquering vast territories and threatening the Roman Empire.

The Empire was a pitiful shell of its former self at that point. So Emperor Theodosius II sent one of his generals to meet with the Huns in the city of Margus, now called Pozarevac in modern day Serbia.

The leader of the Huns was a short, flat-nosed warrior in his mid 30s named Attila who famously remained on his horse during the entire meeting with the Roman envoys.

Attila was cunning, and he knew the Romans were weak. So he intentionally made ridiculous demands.

Among them, he told the Romans he would leave them alone if they paid a tribute of 700 pounds of gold per year (worth about $13.3 million in today’s money).

This was a significant sum back then, especially given that the Roman Empire had lost its most productive gold mines in Hispania to the Visigoths and Vandals in the early 400s.

(The region of Andalusia in modern Spain is actually named for the Vandal tribe, derived from the Arabic word al-Andalus.)

In addition to the money, though, Attila also demanded that the Romans could not enter into any alliance with any other tribes if the Huns deemed them to be a threat.

In making this demand, Attila was essentially giving himself control of Rome’s foreign policy and military affairs.

But the Romans were not in a position to negotiate. They were weak… and terrified of what Attila might do. So they agreed. And Roman Consul Flavius Plinta signed the Treaty of Margus with Attila the Hun in 435 AD.

The peace didn’t last long. In 440, just five years later, Attila massed his forces on the Roman border once again and declared that the Empire had violated the Treaty of Margus.

Emperor Theodosius initially refused Attila’s demands, believing he could defeat the Huns. But at the same time he was busy fighting off other barbarian tribes, including the Vandals that had just conquered Roman provinces in North Africa, which happened to be the Empire’s main source of food.

Theodosius put up a fight, and he tried to negotiate. But after a few years he capitulated to Attila once again, and signed a new treaty in 443 AD.

This new treaty was nothing short of absurd. Attila required that his annual tribute– already a debilitating cost for Rome– be TRIPLED to 2,100 pounds of gold per year.

Plus he demanded an astonishing 6,000 pounds of gold, up front. That was an unimaginable sum of money, and a humiliating embarrassment for the empire.

Theodosius and his bureaucrats tried to save face by hiding the payments, or having the imperial accountants write off the money as “services rendered” by the Huns.

But everyone knew the truth– Rome was a shattered shell of its former greatness, and only signed the deal because they were too weak to stand up to Attila.

This is a simple point that doesn’t require a PhD in International Relations: dominant superpowers don’t need to grovel to their enemies. Dominant superpowers don’t get humiliated in front of the world.

And most importantly, when you’re forced to negotiate and make huge concessions– especially military concessions– you cease being a dominant superpower.

We’ve seen this now several times with the United States. Some have been major events, like the disgraceful, shameful debacle in Afghanistan several months ago.

(And similar to Theodosius, Hunter Biden’s dad acted like the humiliation in Afghanistan didn’t actually happen; his people even tried to dress it up as a logistical success!)

Other incidents have been more subtle, like the US submitting to China’s demands and reaffirming America’s commitment to the “one China” policy, i.e. pretending that Taiwan doesn’t exist.

(It’s also noteworthy that Hunter Biden’s dad was the one who was inconvenienced and stayed up until midnight talking to his Chinese counterpart during a recent call, due to the time zone differences between Washington and Beijing…)

Earlier this year, Hunter Biden’s dad also referred to the Chinese government’s genocide against its Uighur ethnic minority as “different cultural norms”.

These are all clear signs of waning dominance.

The world’s premier superpower doesn’t leave behind $83 billion worth of military equipment to its sworn enemy in Afghanistan.

The world’s premier superpower doesn’t refer to genocide as “different cultural norms”.

The world’s premier superpower doesn’t sit up at midnight, smiling politely to the people who have routinely cyberattacked some of your most critical national security infrastructure.

But if this point weren’t already completely obvious, just look at what’s happening with Russia right now.

Officials from the US State Department are meeting with Russian representatives this week to request that Russia withdraw its troops from the Ukrainian border.

Personally I think the whole thing is a joke; from a military tactics perspective, if Putin were going to invade Ukraine, he most likely would have done it already.

The fact that he still has troops massed on the border is nothing more than an attempt to make the West look weak. And job well done.

While they’re not quite as ridiculous as the Huns… yet… Russia is making all sorts of wild demands, many of which the US has already indicated it is willing to accept.

One of those demands is that the US limit joint military exercises with its European allies. And this one actually is quite similar to what Attila required of the Roman Empire in 435 AD.

And just like Rome, once you start groveling to your adversary and allowing them to dictate your foreign policy and military affairs, it seems clear that you’re no longer the dominant superpower.

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11 Comments
Oldtoad of Green Acres
Oldtoad of Green Acres
January 14, 2022 8:19 am

Just the start, like the Atilla’s first gold payment.
Maybe a better analogy is the incoming flood of humanity and drugs along the southern border.
We are toast, dried and burnt.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
January 14, 2022 8:29 am

And in related news, water is wet.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 14, 2022 9:18 am

Ahh Russia the forever distraction when the Dems are in power.

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
January 14, 2022 10:08 am

Putin is no barbarian but he and his men are hard-eyed, tough sons of bitches. They are trying to rebuild their country after the devastation of 70 years of Communism. They have no illusions about the world. They scoff at the idiotic idea of “soft power” (our Canadian friends imagine that counts for something in the world. Ha!). They can smell weakness a thousand miles away. They know they have to leverage everything they have to confront powers that are richer and more heavily armed, and they are doing it with advanced technology. When they decide they can retreat no longer, they will follow the advance of Field Marshal Guderian, “Strike hard, strike fast!”

If the balloon goes up, Lord help our soldiers in range of their weapons. I am sure our diverse, feminized army will give a good account of itself. We will have a whole new crowd to pray for on Memorial Day.

They look at a pathetic buffoon like Blinken or a silly dingbat like Wendy Sherman and imagine them strapped to chairs in the basement of some Russian prison, getting beaten senseless. Biden? They have him by the short hairs, and the people around Biden know it. God alone can imagine what sickening videos and stinking financial deals they have in their files.

Did you vote for Biden? Well, God damn you.

August
August
  Southern Sage
January 14, 2022 11:19 am

The big question in international affairs is whether the Russians and Chinese will move on their ‘near abroad’ issues now, or whether their waiting a bit longer might be advantageous… as the FUSA’s military capacities and domestic cohesiveness continues to degrade.

The disgusting Blinken ‘n’ Sherman show of the last 10 days has moved the world closer to an immediate kinetic solution.

FWIW, I believe that ‘Simon Black’ claims a background in US military intelligence; color me unimpressed with his analytic abilities. I guess that’s par for the course, these days.

rhs jr
rhs jr
January 14, 2022 10:15 am

Putin repeatedly gave FJB chances to negotiate and FJB always immediately said “no, you back down some more or I will fuck you up”. Bad things are now going to happen to the FJB Administration complements of Mr Putin; I predict FJB will lose his dumb ass. FJB should learn from the history of another military moron who attacked the Russians about 80 years ago, started WWII and who lost his dumb ass. And that moron should have learned from the French general who did the same about 200 years earlier and lost his ass. Please Mr Putin, you are a better Christian man than the Criminal Usurper who stole the 2020 American election and subjected Americans to a Leftist Dictatorship, and you understand the tyranny of communist; give us a chance to vote the SOBs out in Nov2022; and if we don’t, we won’t blame you for kicking him out yourself, we will thank you.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  rhs jr
January 14, 2022 10:22 am

Your ignorance of history betrays your public education.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  rhs jr
January 14, 2022 2:07 pm

Stop your damn groveling and pearl clutching . Always have to have a savior, don’t you?

Junious Ricardo Stanton
Junious Ricardo Stanton
January 14, 2022 10:32 am

The two situations cited have one thing in common, both empires were in precipitous and obvious decline. The Roman Empire was overstretched, unable to defend itself, it was thoroughly corrupt, decadent and surrounded by hostile tribes. The US Empire too is overextended, it too is broke, it too is weak but its biggest threats are not external, they are internal. The tidal wave of moral rot, corruption and incompetence are roiling at such a great rate systemic collapse is eminent, we can see it in almost everything around us. The once reliable mail service is poor, the government is owned and influenced by the rich even more than it was at the nation’s founding, the ruling classes, the oligarchs and money changers have ripped off our pension funds, rigged all the markets (stocks, commodities etc.) funneled our tax dollars into their pockets, public education is becoming a caste system and the gender confusion and depravity are endemic. Say goodbye to the myth of America and hello to the dystopian Brave New World Order Biden’s handlers have in store for all of us.

daddy Joe
daddy Joe
January 14, 2022 12:46 pm

so someone else finally noticed the elephant in the room..

Mountainrat
Mountainrat
January 14, 2022 6:09 pm

I don’t think the Russians have made any ridiculous demands. They seem to be the only adults in the room.