Submitted by Mary Christine
I don’t know how they can just ban an appliance willy nilly. They gonna replace my $1600 stove with a similar priced electric? I don’t want one anyway. I love cooking on my gas stove. They will have to take it from my cold dead hands.
A federal agency may look to ban gas stoves over concern about the release of pollutants that can cause health and respiratory problems, according to a new report.
The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is set to open public comment on the dangers of gas stoves sometime this winter. The commission could set standards on emissions from the gas stoves, or even look to ban the manufacture or import of the appliances, commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. told Bloomberg News.
“This is a hidden hazard,” Trumka told the outlet. “Any option is on the table. Products that can’t be made safe can be banned.”
The stoves, which are used in about 40 percent of homes in the U.S., emit pollutants including nitrogen dioxide, carbon monoxide and fine particulate matter at levels deemed unsafe by the EPA and World Health Organization. The emissions have been linked to illness, cardiovascular problems, cancer, and other health conditions. More than 12 percent of current childhood asthma cases are linked to gas stove use, according to peer-reviewed research published in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health last month.
Senator Cory Booker (D., N.J.) and Representative Don Beyer (D., Va.) wrote a letter to the agency last month urging the commission to address the issue and calling the harmful emissions a “cumulative burden” on black, Latino and low-income households.
However, the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers argues that cooking produces harmful emissions regardless of the kind of stove used.
“Ventilation is really where this discussion should be, rather than banning one particular type of technology,” Jill Notini, a vice president at the association, told Bloomberg. “Banning one type of a cooking appliance is not going to address the concerns about overall indoor air quality. We may need some behavior change, we may need [people] to turn on their hoods when cooking.”
The American Gas Association similarly argued against a ban.
“The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission and EPA do not present gas ranges as a significant contributor to adverse air quality or health hazard in their technical or public information literature, guidance, or requirements,” Karen Harbert, the group’s president, told the outlet. “The most practical, realistic way to achieve a sustainable future where energy is clean, as well as safe, reliable and affordable, is to ensure it includes natural gas and the infrastructure that transports it.”
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See how this works? “News” articles within the last week citing “Studies”….
Gas stoves have given 650,000 U.S. children asthma, study finds
https://news.yahoo.com/gas-stoves-have-given-650000-us-children-asthma-study-finds-204619540.html
Cooking With Gas? You May Want to Hear About Health Concerns and Rebates
https://www.westword.com/news/colorado-study-retailers-health-impacts-gas-stoves-rebates-15815751
Gas stoves could be making thousands of children in America sick
https://www.popsci.com/health/gas-stove-childhood-asthma/
But wait, there’s more. Switch to electric and get a rebate….
Meanwhile, the Inflation Reduction Act, which became national law in August, provides $4.5 billion in funding for states to provide rebates for new electric appliances, including ranges, cook tops and ovens. Those incentives will be doled out on a state-by-state basis, primarily targeted at low- and moderate-income households, and can be used to purchase an induction or conventional electric stove. People switching from a gas stove can access an additional $500 toward their purchase.
EXACTLY!! THANKS YOU !! It’s like those articles “Kids have heart attacks, too”. This whole fucking country is fake and gay.
These fucking retards don’t understand the first thing about energy!
I might listen to one who has passed a couple courses in thermodynamics. There is a unit of energy behind every $ of GDP. Where does the fucking electricity come from?! You want it part-time or full-time???
It’s not about energy. It’s about control. Electricity is easier to shut off.
Bingo, Iska
Indeed.
nailed it in one
1 cf gas =1000btu.
1 watt = 3.41 btu
They have pretty much banned coal and nukes, so combined cycle and peaker units, which are gas turbines and burn natural gas, are producing most of your electricity.
No the USA is great; it’s the “elected” leaders who are fake and gay
Elected? Now that’s funny.
If elections are legit, then the elected cannot be fake and gay unless the voters are fake and gay.
If elections are not legit, then voters are fake and gay anyway.
Gas stoves are also the cause of Sudden Adult Death Syndrome. We must ban them and get more covid shots to prevent this from happening. Global warming, Russian election interference, Jan. 6, microaggressions, Trump, banning abortions, assault rifles, Trump, exercise, Ukraine, voter ID, Trump, …. Where is my safe room with warm puppies, coloring books, a pacifier?
$500? 🤣🤣🤣🤣NO
“They will have to take it from my cold dead hands.”
They don’t have to take. They can just turn off your gas.
And we can shut off their electricity… tit for tat
I see what you mean there.
Let them try that with my wood cook. Actually it’s a coal cook stove but anthracite coal is hard to get in Florida, and it burns wood just fine.
Wood stove heats like a champ.
Cooks like a pro, while heating the house.
GF was worried that it wasn’t EPA certified.
Next I have to worry about the wood stove police…
In the shack up in the hills sits an old Monkey Wards hunting tent stove-probably 80 years old and found in an antique shop in the mid-60s. Replaced a very large/very old coal stove in the small kitchen with the tent stove; saved some space to boot. It will burn wood or coal, though because the fire box is on the smaller side it needs more wood every hour or so, depending on if it is hard wood from wood pallets; soft wood from the nearby forest needs replenishing every half hour or so-at least in cool to cold weather. I’d like to see them fuckers try to outlaw wood.
They will.
I’d be more concerned about your Statist leaning GF if I were you. Sounds like you’re on the verge of a big mistake.
Well they can shut down the rural propane suppliers, I suppose. My hubby is pretty handy. I guess I could have him build me a wood burning oven.
Wow, you were downvoted by an America hating cork blower from San Francisco….
My plan in involves very old diesel engine technology, cheap Chinese ST generator heads and various solar power crap.
My food will stay as frozen as I want it.
I have Google Earthed fuel sites to plunder as needed.
Sorry, I meant to say “cock”….
What whiskey does the ol man like?
A few machineguns and gas is back on.
You don’t make any sense
Sorry bout your luck, Mary. Nothing should be banned. But Gov’t will list and decide “Essentials”.
I love my electric stove/oven. I’ve been using it for 30 years, I actually have an identical one in storage. Mint shape. I keep my Glass Pyrex Coffee pot going on min. all the time.
Electric ranges may be fine for baking (most aren’t!), but the cook top is the problem. They take forever to heat up and slow down, and the elements all have “hot-spot” problems where you’re likely to burn the food right over that spot. No thanks, I’ll keep my 500 lb Garland gas range, The one where I have to light the oven with a match
I agree, the oven has “hot spots” too. I dunno about forever to heat up and slow down, maybe I’m so used to it after 30 years. I usually use hot tap water for boiling and jack it to high immediately. Boiling in 1-2 mins. I don’t burn my cheese sauces by using a thin wire “rack” between the element and the bottom of the pot. Also one time, I over spilled my deep frying pot. Putting out the massive fire was easy. Turned off the element, put a lid on the pot, the spilled oil was Caught below the element so I moved the pot and put another lid on the element. Fire out, in about 20 seconds. No spilling down the front of the oven. Hey, enjoy your gas range, to each their own. Doesn’t matter what it’s cooked on, so long as it tastes good. I also used the electric oven to cook many 20+ person Christmas and Thanksgiving get togethers. It’s an early 90’s Kenmore Classic.
Also we just ran gas lines approx. 5 yrs ago.
I’ve cooked on electric. Gas is easier to control. Had gas line run in my last house so I could have a gas stove.
ive never started an oil fire but to each their own…
i actually splurged and got the dual fuel lp range and electric oven. it was an overpriced piece of ge shit that took 4 service calls to get working…third guy on his first call says hey this wire is disconnected back here…upside is i have a new motherboard for it if something other than the shoddy assembly go wrong.
I avoid cooking with water from the hot water heater-cool tap water has fewer contaminants.
And use the “strike anywhere” matches when ya do it.
My Garland has some real heavy steel in its oven, and can take a long time to heat up. If I’m going to bake, I light it way ahead of time using those kitchen matches. On the pilot alone, Thermostat turned to “0”, the oven will settle in at around 250 degrees, taking no time to go to 350-400 degrees when its bread baking time. And my kitchen stays nice and toasty warm all day in the winter.
Even those were ‘revised’ years ago … too ‘dangerous’ as the old Ohio Blue Tip matches …
Well, if all of these well meaning folks think that the 40% of ussa homes with a gas range should get rid of them, then they should get right on that! Amazingly, that’s about the same percentage of homes with firearms, Hmmm.
Wonder how that’ll go?
Hey, Joe’s gonna give us 87,000 more IRS cucks.
Just more of that slow creep tyranny.
Bullshit. This has nothing to do with particulates and health hazards within the home. While there are some high-end electric stoves, for the most part, gas stoves are preferred by serious cooks. Some of the cities in the Bay Area already banned gas stoves because of the global warming. They want electric stoves just like they want everyone driving electric cars. Ostensibly it’s so that they can be powered by solar and wind (which is a joke), but they also want to the ability to suppress your power usage. They’d be able to shut off all cars remotely, but they also want everyone on a “smart grid” (initially to get a discount on your bill). Whenever there’s a power shortage (which will be a LOT of the time), they’ll shut off your AC, shut off your stove, shut off your ability to charge your Tesla. You can sit in the dark and have graham crackers for dinner.
the power companies have already begun to do just that in several states calling them rolling brownouts
What Iska is talking about is selective based on social credit score.
Small fire pit out in the backyard, pantry full of cans of spam, a little brown sugar, and dinner will be ready in a jiffy. Thank a Boy Scout for being prepared.
Spam? SPAM? Ahhhhhh … ‘slowly I turned — step by step’ …
Don’t ya know, gas stoves are the cause of sudden death for adults.
Every restaurant cooks with gas, especially Asian restaurants. So this is a RACIST proposal against Asians. They need to speak out.
And these stoves will be nothing compared to the pollution caused by setting all the plannedemic and jab criminals on fire as punishment.
That is absolutely true.
To my knowledge, there is no restaurant that uses electric heat for cooking
I saw two on the Antony Bourdain shows. One in Asia(?) and The other in Montreal or Q.C. run by some hipsters with household ovens.
But they were the extreme exceptions.
I picked up one of those camp cookstoves a few years back. Thing is as heavy as an oxe, but it has burner tops, oven, and warmer drawer. It can also supplement as a heat stove. Ban gas stoves? Fuck do I care!
What brand, sounds like a great appliance!
Made by a company called Elmira. May be damn near 100 years old!
Mine was made in 1935 by a company called the Auto Stove Works of New Athens, Illinois.
Good pre war USA cast iron.
Like everything else these people do, it’s about control. They want 100% dependence on electricity so they can shut down any house any time. CBDC, social credit, electric heat, electric cooking, electric cars, all to NUDGE you into compliance.
That’s why Brandon’s infrastructure bill is paying for people to get new Smart electrical boxes to replace the old fuse box or circuit breaker box.
If you don’t comply with their latest New Would Order WEF decrees then they will be able to shut off the power to specific appliances. Social credit score too low, no AC for you Desantis voters in Florida, or no heat for you Kim Reynolds voters in Iowa this winter.
Spreading your pro Trump opinions on social media, no internet for you. O you’re opposed to open borders and muchas mas Nuevo Democrats. Sorry but your fridge is going to be shut off.
You’ll own nothing and you damn well better thank us.
People will do good to learn about powering their houses ( or refrigerators at the very least) from an alternative power source ( or learn to enjoy rotten food).
And there it is!
See, before refrigeration was a thing, there were myriad ways to preserve perishable foods.
Salting, drying, fermenting, pickling are just a few of the possibilities.
And many of these techniques provide the probiotics lacking in today’s foods.
There’s always an alternative…
Agreed but still worth having enough solar for a small fridge. When things suck bad, little luxuries help a lot.
Solar is not cheap per watt, but they are YOUR watts.
I don’t fit the criteria :
“…calling the harmful emissions a “cumulative burden” on black, Latino and low-income households.”
Therefore, the gas appliances are not a burden; but removing gas appliances from my options is a burden. Therefore banning gas appliances is a burden to the majority of the population.
Remove Corey. Problem solved.
I run my gas stove for heat when the power goes out
That is the kicker, right there.
Smart.
Put a pot of water on it so to increase the humidity of the air.
Adds to warming effect.
Like I give a RATs HINEY what any of these shit stains think. Corey booker et al can go play hide their little sausages with each other as there is NOTHING they say or do that would EVER make me comply with their edicts if I lived in the US, doubly so here in canukistan.
They are not addressing the most serious hazard of a gas stove which is people could die. Im sure 5-10 people die every year from gas explosions and maybe tens die from suicide by sticking their heads in gas ovens. I will not rest until that number is zero, the same with cars and matches. The only way to prevent the deaths are to eliminate the threat. If you play with fire you get burned.
Had a property become available not too long ago near me. They jammed 2 small houses in the original spot. After the first one spread itself around the neighborhood.
People (Karens) like you are the reason that old equipment is preferred more, by those users with long experience.
More rugged, more reliable, and no mandated hyper-protectionary safeties
are part of the design. Things work, for people who know how to use them.
Danger and risk will always exist, because well, idiots.
Take a sleeping pill Skippy, or you’ll never get any rest.
Accidental injuries and death will continue to happen, regardless of how many bans, how many safety features are incorporated due to government diktat.
Junior cuts off a toe, and modern lawnmowers have to have safety designs because some Karen badgered her Congressman and yet another federal law forced change on every manufacturer.
If you think alternatives to gas stoves don’t cause deaths, you’re delusional.
Banning natural gas stoves inside the home is a bridge too far.
I wonder how many people are electrocuted by electric appliances each year?
One time lesson for me years ago!
Just have a hard time believing that any burn off from using a natural gas oven causes unhealthy inhalants that are endangering people’s lives.
Leaking natural gas is a more dangerous risk.
Poor hard line connections, and cheap flex pipe supply lines to ovens and gas dryers have killed.
For other risks, stating the obvious to most here, but
Electric stovetops can start fires just as easily as gas stovetops, if combustibles are too close in proximity.
Grease fires are probably more prominent with gas stovetops in flareups.
More user error there, too, though.
Witness the videos of deep frying a turkey outdoors, when too much heated cooking oil overflows onto propane burners when the bird is dropped in.
Confirmation of ignition is one good safety feature of modern gas fed appliances that shuts the flow valve if it fails to light.
Edison electrocuted an elephant just to try and convince everyone that Tesla’s AC was far more dangerous than his DC. What a piece of shit Edison was.
I freaking hate these rich assholes. They think every living thing is just an exploitable resource.
Under the right conditions an AC fault can be self-extingushing (it crosses zero voltage every 8.3 milliseconds); DC faults generally are not as forgiving. Highest DC design I ever did was 75KV-it had some clever design details but the principles are the same: plenty of insulation and adequate spacing are starters. Never had a failure with any of my designs.
If they actually gave a shit about health and respiratory problems they would cancel the covid vaxxinations
That was my first thought.
A REAL cook cooks over fire. Damn straight.
Wasn’t me who dv. I use my Bar B Q, when it has to be fire. Often.
The electrical grid is already straining and they want to double the number of electric ranges/cooktops. How much will it cost to wire one of these electrical appliances into a normal home? Does the home have enough amperage available through their current breaker box or will it have to be replaced, as well and at what cost?
Does anyone at any of these bureaucracies even think about how to apply the idiotic rules they propose?
Speaking as the son of a man who worked for the electric utility, I was raised cooking with electricity and that is what I prefer, but I know a lot of people who prefer gas and will resist this effort with all their might (see M C’s introductory comment).
I’ve never blown the breaker box ever with my stove. And I have run the Broiler(Top and bottom in the oven) and all four elements at the same time. I have blown an element fuse, actually makes me feel nostalgic putting in an old glass backed one in.
Some older houses may not have enough capacity in their breaker box to add an electric stove, which will cost quite a bit to have an electrician replace the breaker box and run the new service to the range. I used to wire ranges with my Dad back in the late 50’s early 60’s and we almost always had to add a fuse box for the added power.
When I put in the gas and got rid of the range and water heater I had gained four extra circuits for a woefully inadequate outlet supplied house. Used two and have two yet to run. Liking it more every day.
I had to check, I got a 125amp box.
about average for canukistan
Yup, heard apparently that 60amp was a thing…. before the 80’s…
I’m sure that $500 would cover that…lol!
I actually priced a new one last.year, came out to $2,500 installed.
The Brandon regime is paying for people to get new Smart breaker boxes. It’s a part of the national infrastructure projects law that they passed last year. If you’re income is at or below a certain threshold it’s free otherwise it’s going to be subsidised.
Of course if you put in a new box don’t be surprised when they declare a climate emergency and use the “smart” box to shut down your AC this Summer, or your heat next winter.
That’s so we can share the pain, same as in Ukraine.
I switched everything over from electrical to gas this last year. Range, dryer, on demand hot water, fireplace.
Went from 1200 in summer, 2000 in winter on electrical per month, down to 150 on electrical and about the same in gas (in winter) and gas in summer is about 30/mo. The 30 is mostly ‘delivery’ charges an multiple taxes.
Find the gas a much nicer heating and cooking medium than electrical. Our power was out about three weeks ago, my fireplace runs and uses no electricity. We had one light on so as to not advertise, and everything was warm and cozy. If ever the gas got shut off… I’d simply reconvert the FP back to wood. easy peasy
My big electrical consumption is A/C in the spring, summer and fall. Last month, my gas was up 62% per MCF vs a year ago and that did not include the below 0 temps we had just before Christmas. I expect my largest gas bill in 19 years this month.
62% IS a big jump. Relatively speaking.
Be relative I mean is it the same as a millionaire giving pocket change or a midclass worker giving pocket change? One feels no pain while the other could be very painful.
I know a 62% jump for me and I’d be going back to wood.
I have recorded every utility bill since we built the house 19 years ago and last month gas was $1.109/MCF. Last year it was $0.686/MCF.
Let’s go Brandon.
One of my Looney tunes sisters in Massatwoshits really hates Trump he a bad Orange man, because that’s what Joe Morning on MSNBC said..
First thing that the fake President did was to repeal the limits on insulin prices, she’s a diabetic and her insulin cost went from about $200.00 a month to $800.00, and so she had to fire her maid. Anyway she had converted from oil to gas heat because there had been such a dramatic cut in the cost of natural gas, gee I wonder why?
But now she’s complaining she can’t afford to heat her 1890s Victorian house because of the surge in national gas, (huh what happened there)?
So I said, hey no more mean tweets so It’s all good. She literally snorted after I said that.
Warren – I’ll bet your sister calls you her A-hole brother 😉 , but she is still a masshole.
TN-lived in a garage apartment (garage on ground level, me up in the air) during mid-60s college years. Had a gas wall mount heater that ran all of $3.00/month in the cold winter months. But hey, that was a lot of money back then.
What size mansion were you living in? I’m only $35 a month electrical.
There is no fossil fuel that provides more BTU cleanly than natural gas.
Why is it that I survived the very affordable gas unit heaters in the old.house I and millions of other Boomers were raised in???
By the time you get natural gas to use at your home, most all the impurities were squeezed out.
Properly burning natural gas (blue flame) gives off carbon DIoxide and water vapor. There are some minute impurities given off as well.
Carbon dioxide=green house gas=global warming=BAD!!!
The Biden administration is populated by children and the LGBT crowd is stupidity times a million.
Health my ass. Why would people killing humans with clotshots give two shits about asthma? They just don’t want you to cook your bugs.
That’s nice. FJB
Period.
Have the Surgeon General demonstrate the FJB move.
I’m totally convinced gas stoves cause Covid. Unless the Russians did. Come to think of it, surely it was all Trump’s fault.
What a stupid reason for agents to get machinegunned for
When are we going to start beating these bastards into the ground?
All you guy’s need to cut the bullshit and “trust the science”. Remember what the experts say, they are the science.
I do apologize. Are you going to eat the rest of that bug?
Hey! You need to show a vax-pass before sharing food. You know because “Psyience”.
How about just a leg?? One of the smaller ones perhaps??
I dunno…, I’m gonna have to consult with Fauci, then I’ll circle back.
Do you think she washed off any pesticide residue or does she go straight from the plastic container from Mexico to the pan?
I think she drags it quickly through her dirty panties first, but you’ve got the general idea, you know…the thing.
Looking at that seal behind them. Light bulb….. I got tossed out of a meeting for asking “Why does the washroom sign dude have no arms or legs, but the handicap person does?” Got my answer Thanks.
Wow I’m slow sometimes……
As if killing and disabling thousands of Americans with a false vaccine was not enough of a wake up call let’s all get a clue here !
Every aspect of American life is being challenged at an ever increasing pace with the vengeful righteousness of a brainwashed NAZI STORM TROOPER.
Nothing is off limits except your refusal and protest against the agenda driven lies is treated as a crime and a weaponized DOJ and leftist court systems the truth is never heard .
Those Who Make peaceful change impossible make violent change unavoidable!
Guess I should be worried the last man to say that got his brains blown out in Dallas by a leftist agenda driven government operation from an alphabet agency
Bullshit. Pure Bullshit. Gas stoves have been used safely for a hundred years, if there was a problem it would be common knowledge. We do not need a lying study from lying so called scientists to tell us our gas stoves are just fine. It is the exact same gas burning in our home heaters and fireplaces and water heaters, are they going to ban all of those too? It is time to put a bounty on politicians….
Bureauocrats really running the show, ALL govt sectors need to be flushed. All of them
The American people should consider banning Joe Biden from the face of the earth.
Meanwhile: A pic of Jill Biden using a gas stove in their Delaware home.
Why not ban toilets’ then…the same logic applies.
they never tire of coming up with stupid shit because that’s all they know – STUPID SHIT!!
It’s all they ARE.
CA has already banned such stoves in all new homes about a year or 2 ago … GIGO …
As for any sort of disproportionate harm in the barrio or the ‘hood — I used to build, including HUD properties for developers — and all cheap, low rent units do not have gas appliances — they’re noticeably more expensive than electric ones … so I call BS on that assertion.
This is just one more nail in our National coffin by unelected bureaucrats flexing their egos at our expense … ‘blessed are the rule makers for they wish to be called rulers’.
No Michelin top-rated restaurant or any professional chef will ever surrender their gas burners. The moneyed privileged diners will never accept it, either.
As another poster here speculated, it may also be easier for smart cities to cancel electricity for low social credit scores.
One thing’s certain: the scumbags aren’t doing ANYTHING ’cause they care about our well-being. Cut the crap.
Can’t use coal, can’t use oil, can’t use nuclear, can’t use natural gas to make electricity. Dynamite the dams for the fish and no hydro either. All automobiles will be electric, all heat will be electric, now all cooking to be electric. What electricity? How does it get generated? Windmills and solar panels or collectors? The intersection between the envirofreak energy deniers and the COVID shot pushers seems to reach a nexus here. Who will be the lucky few that get to live? Why do we have masters suddenly? Talk is cheap and getting cheaper while our enemies keep acting against us.