WE WENT TO THE MOON – COUNT ON IT

“…If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about their answers…” — Thomas Pynchon – American novelist

Recently there was an article published here that we never went to the moon. That it was all a hoax. It not only created a lot of comments supportive of it, but it lead to a whole `nother discussion of ‘The flat Earth’ and some people’s support of that.

That was just too much for me. I have remained silent for some time about this moon landing thing, but no more. So for the record I will say that “Yes, we did go to the moon.”

I will describe why I believe that as I take apart the previous article.


First, as to why the Lunar Module doesn’t show a huge contrail when taking off from the moon.

Rocket engine exhaust depends upon at least two things:
1) Fuel type
2) Where is it in its flight path?

As to the first thing, fuel type. If it is fueled by Liquid oxygen and RP-1 which is a highly reformed form or kerosene it will have quite a large exhaust tail when taking off from Earth.

If it has a Hydrazine fuel – based hypergolic propellant, (hypergolic means that they ignite on contact without need of an ignition source. A typical US used hydrazine fuel is Nitrogen tetroxide (N2O4) as an oxidizer and Aerozine 50, which is a 50:50 mix by weight of hydrazine and unsymmetrical dimethyl hydrazine (UDMH)) then the exhaust plume is much smaller and almost clear.

See the photos below of the US Titan I (Liquid Oxygen and RP-1 – Specific Impulse (Isp) = 270-360 seconds) and that of the Titan II (Nitrogen Tetroxide and Aerozine 50 – Specific Impulse (Isp) = 370-465 seconds).

Two Titan I photos.

Titan II photo.

As to the second thing, where it is in its flight path the plume will always be largest at its Earth-bound takeoff spot and will become less as it climbs in altitude. This because the oxygen level at takeoff is higher than it will be as the rocket rises and it is the oxygen in the air we breathe that allows the plume in the first place. The fuel is all burned in the rocket chamber, but the oxygen in the air allows it to breathe a little more creating the plume.
Therefore, when a rockets first stage is complete, its plume is much smaller than it was at takeoff.

As the LEM’s rocket engine at takeoff from the moon, the moon has no atmosphere and thus no oxygen, and since it used the second type of fuel (Hydrazine) it had exactly what you would expect – no exhaust plume.

LEM takeoff photos



As to how they got the Lunar Rover to fit inside of the LEM – it folded. It was built by Boeing to fold and fit inside of one the LEM’s side storage areas. See the photos.

Lunar Rover photos.



As to the hatch on the Lunar Lander (the LEM) being too small for the astronauts to crawl through with their backpacks, take a look at the photos. It looks big enough to me.

LEM Photos



Inside the LEM

LEM diagram photo



The parachutes. There was enough room in the upper command module for three folded parachutes and their cords. What is the problem here?

The LEM’s footprint. Remember that the moons gravity is only one sixth that of Earth so a 10,000-pound LEM would only weigh 1,666 pounds on the moon. Divide that by the four landing legs and that only leaves 417 pounds. That looks OK too.

Remember too that the LEM engine was not firing when it landed on the moon. It cut off a few seconds earlier and it just landed unpowered in the moons weak gravity. That was done purposely to keep the lunar dust to a minimum.

As to who was Neil Armstrong’s camera operator that photo doesn’t really state whether it was a photo of Buzz Aldrin’s deploying or if it was Neil Armstrong climbing back in taken by Buzz.

Why don’t we see stars in space? Actually we do,… at night. Remember that here on Earth we only see the stars at night when it’s dark. They are actually in our daylight sky, but we can’t see them. In space the same holds true, but instead of a blue sky we only see the darkness of space. If we turn down the light of day in space we see stars, like we would on the moon in darkness or if we could shield ourselves from the sun. In the brightness of the day we don’t.

As to who filmed the takeoff that was done by a remote control camera left on a tripod by the astronauts.

And as to the flat Earth thing, I just find it embarrassing that anyone would believe such a thing today so I will leave it alone. A subject best left to its own demise…

Personally, I think that it’s kind of sad that so many people just don’t believe that we did in fact land men on the moon over fifty years ago.

That the technology was lost is no real surprise. After so many people had invested their lives in the project only to be left without a job when it was over must have left them with more than just some regret. There must have been a massive purge of information.

I think that the probability that we faked’ the whole thing is unreasonable. My reason is simple. I believe that with existing technology that it was doable in the 1960’s and it would be a lot safer to do it if possible than to risk faking it unnecessarily.

Besides, our federal agencies were all plenty busy. Just think about everything that they had on their plates at that time: Covering their tracks after killing JFK in broad daylight just a few years earlier. Killing RFK and Martin Luther King just a few years later. Creating a war in Vietnam, escalating tensions in the cold war, in Cuba, toppling duly elected governments worldwide, spying on their fellow Americans, – hey, these guys were busy.

A more likely scenario to the moon landing debate is that this whole question has surfaced out of what are some very clearly touched up’ photos from those moon landings and from NASA’s until very recently steadfast refusal to release the original copies. Did you know that? NASA absolutely refused to release the original photos. It has only just done so and they still aren’t correct.

The truth is that as an arm of the federal government NASA is and always has been just another venue for government propaganda and the promotion of the government line. It is also and always has been a part of the Defense Department’s fantasies and desires, and both the CIA’s and the National Security Agency’s spy satellites are supported by NASA.

Lesser known and seemingly separate is the fact that NASA is also one of the personal playthings of the US government (public) schoolteachers and college professors. Government schoolteachers have a symbiotic relationship with NASA that is not unlike the one they share with professional sports. They all promote and support each other. Not surprisingly, none of them ever met a government program, law, restriction, abuse, or tax that they didn’t embrace and even adore.

What this all adds up to of course is that the information that gets released to the public is only that which serves NASA itself, the supporting federal agencies and all of those promoting them for their own ends – like what passes for the mainstream news media.

With that in mind, if you look at some of the photos that NASA has released of our moon landings objectively you will see some that show the side of the lunar lander that is in shadow. Even though in the dark, the American flag and the words UNITED STATES are always clearly visible as if lit. That is impossible. That is clearly an enhancement of the photos.

It reminds me of those photos that the USSR used to release showing one of their air aces stepping out of his plane immediately after shooting down a half a dozen German Messerschmitt’s in a horrific air battle. The good pilots were often shown not in their flying suites covered with grime, but in full dress uniform, covered with medals and their entire ground crews all cleaned and pressed and smiling for the camera. Remember how we used to laugh at such obviously staged photos?

The NASA lunar landing photos are much the same. I expect that they enhanced them not because we didn’t land on the moon, but just to make sure that the American flag and THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was prominently displayed in every picture. It was simply more propaganda by another federal agency that specializes in it.

The proper questions that we should be asking then regarding the Apollo moon landings are:

“…Why did NASA alter or enhance the photos?…”

“…On whose orders did they do that?…”

The trouble with having those questions asked though is that they might lead to even more dangerous questions such as:

“…If NASA faked or changed some of the lunar landing photos then what else has NASA done and lied about?…”

“…What is NASA doing and lying to us about now?…”

Those of course are questions that the ruling elite simply cannot allow to be asked. That would be to let the toothpaste out of the tube and they know that it’s virtually impossible to get it back inside once released.

NASA is hardly the squeaky clean “civilian” organization that it has always been promoted to the public to be by schoolteachers, the mainstream media, politicians, et al. It’s a lot worse now than it was during the Apollo program, but so is every other federal agency.

In the final analysis, NASA is made up of just another bunch of political hacks that do as they’re told by their masters. Witness the fact that they’ve been involved in promoting the global warming scam up to their collective necks.

As to the scientific expertise that the mainstream media is all pushing ad nauseam that they claim will be lost forever if the taxpayer isn’t sufficiently robbed to pay for their new dig-a-hole-and-fill-it-in NASA job-works-programs:

“…One could not be a successful scientist without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of scientists, a goodly number of scientists are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid…” ~ J.D. Watson – The Double Helix

Personally, I like to call them “The Flying Post Office.”

For truth and honesty, there’s no point in looking to NASA. You won’t find it there.

That’s both the answer and the question that they don’t want us to know…

The truth is that whatever anyone believes doesn’t really affect me at all. If you choose to believe that we didn’t put a man on the moon that is your right. However, please do so knowing all the facts. As I am within my right to believe that we did.

“…When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong…” — Arthur C. Clarke’s First Law

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Scott halloween
Scott halloween
April 13, 2023 1:17 pm

We know for a fact,
Government lies.
They lie big, they lie small,
They lie to their enemies, they lie to their friends,
The lie in great big continuous strings of lies piled on top of lies.
They lie even when they don’t have to..
Some are slick with their lies, some are blunt and clumsy,
Some are terrible and even fools can’t abide their words.
They are relentless liars.
It’s their job,
And we pay them to lie.
So,
Why is this one,
this impossible event,
the unimpeachable truth?
Your pal
Scott.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
April 10, 2023 9:51 am

Look what those lunatics went and made you do, Steve! Great effort, but you can’t cure insanity.

Remember Nietzsche’s warning about the Abyss. Try not to get too much on you.

flash
flash
  The Central Scrutinizer
April 10, 2023 10:05 am

Nietzsche was a degenerate lunatic that couldn’t even follow his own advice…reminds of other morons urging defend your land , but run away too…reeeeee

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  flash
April 10, 2023 10:38 am

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DS
DS
  The Central Scrutinizer
April 11, 2023 3:30 pm

I see you’re staying classy, as ever. SMH

Marky
Marky
April 10, 2023 9:52 am

The truth is that as an arm of the federal government NASA is and always has been just another venue for government propaganda and the promotion of the government line.

Cognitive dissonance?
Except this time they told the truth. Trust me! . After reading the article I am more in doubt that it occurred. Very weak argument

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka
April 10, 2023 9:54 am

Where to start?

It is all so tiring.

Let the world burn
Let the world burn
  Svarga Loka
April 10, 2023 10:29 am

Yea, it’s a long load of bullshit we’re having up there.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Svarga Loka
April 10, 2023 10:41 am

‘All journeys stop before the first step” – ConfusedUs

Wolverine
Wolverine
April 10, 2023 9:57 am

Very happy to see someone on this site with common sense and the courage to write with it.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Wolverine
April 10, 2023 10:46 am

Reasoned debate is the crucible of truth.

Does Auntie really have to post the Rammstein video again, and so soon?

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Aunt Acid
April 10, 2023 10:59 am

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  Wolverine
April 10, 2023 10:47 am

coUrAgE lol
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Swrichmond
Swrichmond
  Wolverine
April 10, 2023 3:51 pm

It is certainly technically feasible to send men to the moon, land them, and bring them back. I’d be willing to bet they each got a hefty lifetime dose of irradiation in the process. I doubt any of them would have cared.

If NASA now says shit like “we can’t do that now”, what they no doubt mean is “we have scattered our specialized knowledge to the wind and we can’t staff such an endeavor now.”

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Swrichmond
April 10, 2023 5:28 pm

They misplaced the whole shooting match from original designs, calculations how to get there, mock-ups to how the contraptions were to work…etc. Where is the Dash-One?

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Swrichmond
April 12, 2023 12:09 pm

If NASA now says shit like “we can’t do that now”, what they no doubt mean is
“There are too many digital cameras attached to private telescopes, we wouldn’t get away with it now.”

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
April 10, 2023 9:58 am

Steve – Good write-up. I always believed that we went to the moon and will never forget that night in July ’69 when a bunch of us crowded around a 19″ B&W TV to watch the first step.

As I have gotten older and seen the constant lies coming from the government, I have begun to doubt the veracity of the landing and expect the government to lie about everything. I am totally torn between the moon landing being another “Santa Claus” story and the miracle of science that is purports to be.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 12:36 pm
Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  YourAverageJoe
April 10, 2023 2:08 pm

This could have been achieved in a water tank! Much of the filming might have been done this way – perhaps? I’m not qualified to judge. My question is why waste time on an unnecessary schoolboy experiment if not to ‘prove’ they were there and make it convincing? Looks like they protest too much.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Austrian Peter
April 10, 2023 4:41 pm

That is the one I was referencing.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  TN Patriot
April 10, 2023 5:28 pm

Oh, thanks TNP – I forgot. So what do you think – can it be done in a water tank? I am on the edge of my technical knowledge here and just putting it out there!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Austrian Peter
April 10, 2023 5:37 pm

Hard to hide the bubbles, so I doubt it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 8:32 pm

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Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 9:50 pm

And did rebreathers exist in 1969?

ramAustralia
ramAustralia
  Anthony Aaron
April 10, 2023 11:32 pm

Yes, used by SEAL teams.

says 1620 was 1st patent...
says 1620 was 1st patent...
  Anthony Aaron
April 11, 2023 4:10 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebreather

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/museums/undersea/explore/exhibits/online/nedu/equipment.html

http://www.therebreathersite.nl/Zuurstofrebreathers/Italian/pirelli_aro_ww_ii.htm

…And one day a great man named algore will invent something called…Oh, Never mind

Might be a few more pages of results returned.

First learned about the history during SCUBA certification class. Musta been 11th grade, finally old enough to drive. ‘Legally’.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Anonymous
April 11, 2023 6:09 am

But spacesuits are sealed aren’t they? Can you say where the bubbles might come from plse?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Austrian Peter
April 11, 2023 9:54 am

The air stuck to the outside of the suit. Trapped in fibers, etc.

Not the air they are breathing.

You can see it in the NASA water tank testing. Those aren’t leaks, they are trapped air.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  YourAverageJoe
April 10, 2023 2:11 pm

Thanks, Joe. I do not recall ever seeing that one before and solidifies my gut feeling that we did go & return.

Voltara
Voltara
  YourAverageJoe
April 10, 2023 9:30 pm

Did you inspect the “feather” or the “hammer”? Was the picture quality sufficient to see if they were attached to strings (like the fake astronauts), or for that matter make out any detail? That video doesn’t prove anything except the fact NASA felt the need to provide more evidence the Apollo missions weren’t fake.

You know how they could have proven they were on the moon? Just jump up. Like every man would have if he found himself in low gravity. Just once. It never happened but they did take a falcon feather to the moon to prove they went. Wake up.

Rise Up
Rise Up
  YourAverageJoe
April 11, 2023 11:33 am

That hammer was made of lightweight plastic and the “feather” was full of lead.

There, solved it for ya.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 2:08 pm

Steve – been really busy trying to get the garden up and going and other honeydo’s around the house. We lost a butt load of shrubs over the winter. It got warm and they thought it was time to bloom and then they got hit with sub-zero, which is unusual for us. It then got warm again before a 20 degree night came along and took out a lot more new growth. This global warming is starting to cost me a lot of money.

It is usually mid-week before I get around to listening and figure that is too late to comment. I will definitely visit to see your buddy nkit off with nice wishes

John M
John M
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 5:28 pm

Steve C,

Back when I was an engineering undergraduate in college I had a part time job as an electronic technician at one of the research labs on campus. We had several contracts for the Apollo Project. I feel very privileged now to be able to say that I worked on one, even though my part was trivial and the hardware I built was never intended to leave earth. I can assure you that there were very many very talented and dedicated people working full time for NASA in those days. Those were days full of hope and promise even though JFK was gone.

While not proving that a man landed on the moon, the Apollo radio transmissions were followed in real time, not only by radio observatories not formally connected with NASA, but also even by amateurs. A high gain antenna must move back and forth by one half degree to follow the spacecraft as it orbits the moon (as well as tracking the changing position of the moon itself). In addition, the earth-bound receiver must constantly adapt to the spacecraft’s Doppler shift, which can then be used to infer the lunar orbital velocity. Doppler shift and antenna position showed that something dropped to the moon’s surface where the Doppler shift and antenna orbital azimuth corrections were no longer needed, then later rising again to an orbital position. I have met one such amateur who had a sufficiently large antenna to track and monitor the spacecraft. To choreograph such an event for both position and frequency shift would have been impossible back then. So while it does not prove men went to the moon, it does prove that something went to the moon, orbited, dropped to the surface, and finally returned to earth.

As for the parachutes. I vaguely recall hearing, possibly from my time at the research lab, that the parachutes were a problem, and that they were placed in a chamber which was evacuated to remove air, while at the same time being compressed until eventually they had the density of oak!

For some reason people have a lot of trouble understanding lunar lighting. The landings took place while the sun was above the horizon. With no atmosphere, it was bright! To take photos of anything on the surface required the camera lens to be stopped way down. Hence the stars could not be seen, even though the sky was black. Even facing away from the sun, the brightly lit lunar surface would (I think) preclude seeing stars.

Some years ago, when people started telling me no one has been to the moon, I would say that it’s worse than that – no one has ever been to Las Vegas either. I’ve never been there, and all the photos I’ve seen of Las Vegas are obviously faked. It doesn’t exist! I ask if they can prove that Las Vegas exists. Usually that ends the discussion.

Joey Jo Jo Shabadoo
Joey Jo Jo Shabadoo
  John M
April 10, 2023 9:04 pm

There was a mass-shooting event in Las Vegas that you might want to look into.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  John M
April 11, 2023 11:06 am

You’re star engineer Steve, thanks for all your effort answering some bewildering questions. I am neutral, because I just don’t have the knowledge, and I don’t see how it changes anything anyway – most of what I see around me is fake, deep fake, or just plain lies.

It’s sad that we have arrived at this pretty pass but as long as people are aware, much of it is inconsequential. However it is entertaining looking at all the differing views.

I’ll make sure I say goodbye to nkit on Sunday and find a suitable tribute.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  TN Patriot
April 10, 2023 11:19 am

That’s the thing. One can be skeptical of the moon landing(s) without being a flat earther.

America’s disintegrating ability to accomplish anything in the physical realm actually argues for the moon landing being real. Like the Hoover dam, the fact that we probably couldn’t land on the moon now increases the odds we did it back then. Some kind of Benjamin Button thing. Entropy or something.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
April 11, 2023 10:08 am

‘We’ as in Americans or ‘We’ as in humans?

The Chinese made the Three Gorges Dam. Their space program is doing quite well. As it the Russian one.

Basically America has Dementia , Arthritis and Incontinence (like their leader). Russia and China, not so much.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 11, 2023 10:17 am

BTW. Yes I see you did say America’s.

Just pointing out that others are doing much better.

Rise Up
Rise Up
  Anonymous
April 11, 2023 11:40 am

Not so sure about that Chinese dam…I’ve seen reports that it’s prone to several failure points.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Rise Up
April 11, 2023 11:46 am

I heard it would never be built. Then that it would fail within a year. After a year it was “next” year.

Still there.

Where did you see these reports? Who wrote them? Were they dispassionate or did they have an agenda? And the BIG one, was it an American report?

I have seen lots of reports on lots of things. Often, obviously bullshit with an agenda.

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka
  TN Patriot
April 10, 2023 12:48 pm

Santa Claus it is. Count on it.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  TN Patriot
April 10, 2023 2:02 pm

I’m with you TNP – I feel the same with an open mind. See my report to Steve (whom I respect beyond measure) below.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Austrian Peter
April 10, 2023 2:12 pm

Look at Joe’s video above, Peter.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  TN Patriot
April 10, 2023 3:24 pm

Can’t find it TNP – I’m dim with these search things – link plse?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Austrian Peter
April 10, 2023 3:27 pm

You already commented on it.

(water tank)

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 4:26 pm

Oh – I’m getting too old for this stuff! 🙂

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Austrian Peter
April 10, 2023 5:03 pm

getting too old

Beats the alternative…. 🙂

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 5:35 pm

Oh – the alternative would be a release from this game of soldiers Anon! It’s 2230 now in UK and I need my supper – but I do have my sturdy Rioja to comfort me and sustain my discourse! 🙂

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  TN Patriot
April 10, 2023 9:48 pm

Born in ’47 and growing up in the ’50s and ’60s when the space program was front and center the most exciting event — I came to almost immediately doubt everything the government told US about everything ever since 11.22.1963 — but, somehow, I’ve never doubted the veracity of that first lunar landing … 

I suppose one of the things that landing did on 7.20.1969 was to unite so many of US in these United States that had been so torn apart by the war in Vietnam — to say nothing of the assassinations of JFK and RFK and MLK … it was the perfect cure at the time for what ailed US …

It was, to use your words, ‘the miracle of science that it (sic) purports to be’ …

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 10, 2023 10:02 am

What a lame attempt to de-bunk serious questions.

We went to Mars too , they made a movie called Capricorn One /s/

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 2:30 pm

They did! I remember seeing it in UK in the 1970s and we were all convinced – it turned out to be an April Fool joke, broadcast ‘late’ in summer 1977 (they said – yeah)!. But the original video is not available although the story is and this clip too of Capricorn One – if they can do this – well I just ask the question:

“The fictional Alternative 3 culminates with the reporter decoding the video tape which ‘confirmed’ footage of the joint US/USSR mission to Mars in 1962. As the credits role at the end of the mockumentary, the cast list is shown, as well as the originally intended date of transmission. And yet some were so convinced by the show that they refused to believe it was not real, even after its producers announced that the entire thing had been a joke. And it didn’t end there.

There are still those who are convinced that the programme, skilfully written by award-winning screenwriter David Ambrose, subversively reflects reality. It has continually inspired hundreds of conspiracy theories about secret space missions and bases on the Moon and Mars. In 2001, British hacker Gary McKinnon (accused of hacking into 97 United States military and NASA computers over a 13-month period between February 2001 and March 2002) claimed to have found astonishing evidence that such an out of this world program really does exist.

Hacking into top secret Pentagon military computers, McKinnon claimed he found a crew manifest file detailing ‘non-terrestrial’ officers. When Sphere books published Alternative 3 by Leslie Watkins in 1978, there were tales of the first run being pulped on Government orders and clandestine buying up from wholesalers and retailers by secret agents of all available unsold stock. Of course, none of this is true and the book is still available today through Amazon, having gone through numerous reprints with ‘additional material’ added (see link below). The programme is not available on YouTube. Worth reading the Amazon synopsis:

The director of Alternative 3, Christopher Miles (the brother of actress Sarah), has said that at that time (1977), no other programme had made people more aware of the threat to the ecology of the world. “More perhaps, than a lot of earnest documentaries on the subject.” Whilst David Ambrose, who was as surprised as anyone to the reaction to Alternative 3, has sage advice for us all. “The answer is, beware of the media. There is an obligation on every viewer to sift the evidence being fed and then to make up their own mind if they accept it. My advice to viewers is ‘keep your wits about you.’
https://tde.televisionheaven.co.uk/reviews/alternative-3

flash
flash
April 10, 2023 10:03 am

Yep…everyone’s been now…even the street shitters.
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Iggy
Iggy
  flash
April 10, 2023 11:19 am

Looks like my apartment complex.

flash
flash
April 10, 2023 10:10 am

Looks real to me, bruh.

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Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  flash
April 10, 2023 10:47 am

amazing what quality duct tape can do, eh.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Aunt Acid
April 10, 2023 2:46 pm

Well – it ‘saved’ Apollo 13? “Apollo 13: ‘Houston, We’ve Had a Problem'” – great filming!

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  flash
April 10, 2023 11:21 am

100% sure there’s a Coleman camp stove in there.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  flash
April 10, 2023 12:04 pm

That was one Party City that was happy to see the guys from NASA show up.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 10, 2023 10:11 am

And the two-way radio comms at a distance of 240,000 miles was a real feat. Must have had one helluva transmitter on the moon.

flash
flash
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 10:15 am

Looks real to me.

flash
flash
  flash
April 10, 2023 10:16 am

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Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  flash
April 10, 2023 10:42 am

Flash,
Meme of day winner gets my vote!

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Euddolen ap Afallach
April 10, 2023 2:55 pm

Bravo – me too! But I have no idea what I am talking about!

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  flash
April 10, 2023 2:54 pm

Not at all beyond Hollywood IMHO – but what do I know?

Mesomorph
Mesomorph
  flash
April 10, 2023 5:50 pm

The cameraman did a pretty good job keeping the module in frame there.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mesomorph
April 10, 2023 5:52 pm

Amazing timing for a remote operated camera with a 2.5+ second radio delay.

Steve Z.
Steve Z.
  Mesomorph
April 10, 2023 6:24 pm

That 4th astronaut, Major Tom, who filmed the lunar liftoff is still on the lunar surface awaiting a pickup.
He’s still in contact with the Earth, however. He called David Bowie years ago and had him write a song about being lonely out in space.
Poor Bastard….

Jdog
Jdog
  flash
April 11, 2023 9:40 am

So explain to me who was panning the camera?

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 12:16 pm

cans-and-string technol0ogy defeats solar, cosmic ray and other radio interference.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 2:53 pm

Yes, another good question – that quality transmission with such primitive gear?

“When Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin stepped onto the moon in 1969, a S-Band Transponder designed and built by General Dynamics was the only communications link the Apollo 11 Astronauts had to NASA’s mission control and millions of people watching on Earth.”

This is far beyond me to judge but might support Steve;’s contention: https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/moon-mars/a28401050/how-1969-apollo-11-moon-landing-was-filmed/

Swrichmond
Swrichmond
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 3:53 pm

Weight allocation; antenna gain / directionality.

flash
flash
  flash
April 10, 2023 10:13 am
Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  flash
April 10, 2023 2:57 pm

Brilliant flash, he really is trying to tell us. Perhaps being near death brings out the truth? I know that’s where I am now!

mark
mark
  flash
April 10, 2023 7:52 pm

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33 DEGREE FREEMASON “BUZZ” ALDRIN (WHO PUNCHED BART SIBREL IN THE FACE…)

666 MUCH BUZZ?

What does BUZZ Aldrin’s rings and bracelets…really mean?

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This:
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anon a moos
anon a moos
April 10, 2023 10:13 am

I’m with the author but its absolutely futile to argue the subject anymore.

You could offer irrefutable evidence and it would be rejected. Just like the flat earthers will never board a plane and fly from S America to northern Australia to either prove or disprove the flat earth, so never moon landers cannot accept any thoughts to the contrary.

Why?? Because it would take all the fun out of the arguing.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 10:50 am

You could offer irrefutable evidence and it would be rejected.

There is no such thing as “irrefutable evidence” regarding an action that is claimed to have occured at a remote location with at most, three alleged eyewitnesses, all of whom are paid agents of the agency telling you the story, and whose continued jobs and budget largess depends on getting this one story right.

[Not saying it didn’t actually happen, but there are huge motives to fake it that could be considered]

Who told you?
Who benefits?
__________

DOUBLETAKE:

WE WENT TO THE MOON – COUNT ON IT

“…If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about their answers…” — Thomas Pynchon – American novelist

Absolute genius Steve, ; )

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Euddolen ap Afallach
April 10, 2023 2:59 pm

But EA – is this an orange?

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Austrian Peter
April 10, 2023 5:37 pm

Nice AP!
I love lucky number 7 too.

Actually?
I think that was the cleanest controlled demolition I have ever seen. Like art.

_________
A while back, I started asking;

Who told me?
Who told them?
Who benefits?

Example:
WTC Building 7 Collapse.
Who told me?-MSM
Who told them?-TeamuSA dot gov.
Who benefits?-Private investors/banks.

Doing this is like doing simple detective work.
It points to people with motives to fake shitte.

Asking these questions in relation to every banner, belief, and burden carried may also uncloak a pathway to setting many unecessary burdens/banners down.

“My load is light.”

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 10:50 am

The irrefutable evidence would be to personally set foot on the moon and see the lower half of the LEM. So no, you can not offer any irrefutable evidence.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 11:34 am

Not irrefutable.

Maybe the entire thing was done remotely. No man on the moon. Just the machines.

Unlikely as the tech to do so was extremely rudimentary. But not a bigger stretch of credulity than the original story.

And apparently the Russians managed to do it.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 11:48 am

That is often the argument. Unless I personally see and feel with my own eyes and fingers I won’t accept the evidence.

I agree that with so much muddied evidences, the govt narrative and their proclivity to lying, that it does throw into question the idea of moon landings. I’m not entirely sold either way but technically it was possible and there are answers to the often used examples that supposedly proves against the idea of moon landings.

What this really does it keep the arguing going while the thief steals the jewels.

Swrichmond
Swrichmond
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 3:55 pm

+1,000,000,000,000

messianicdruid
messianicdruid
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 11:51 am

We are supposed to have a telescope in orbit that takes pictures of stuff hundreds of lightyears away. Couldn’t we point it the landing area?

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  messianicdruid
April 10, 2023 12:06 pm

And trust NASA to release unaltered pics??

Anonymous
Anonymous
  messianicdruid
April 10, 2023 12:19 pm

Depth of field.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  messianicdruid
April 10, 2023 3:01 pm

I asked this and apparently not.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 11:26 am

In the flat earthers’ defense, maybe none of the Argentinian flat earth community wants to go to Australia.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Iska Waran
April 10, 2023 11:52 am

They wouldn’t want to go because the govt installed brain chips and are mind controlling them to not want to go to Oz. Otherwise an expensive missile will have to be used to shoot the plane down before it flys over the ice wall and gets lost in nonexistent outer space..

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Iska Waran
April 10, 2023 3:02 pm

Agreed Iska – what the hell do we know?

flash
flash
April 10, 2023 10:17 am
Jdog
Jdog
April 10, 2023 10:18 am

Get a good picture of the LEM and look at it. It is a fake. It is a piece of junk. If you look at it closely, it looks like something kids built from junkyard parts. Look at the panels. Look at the fit of how the panels join. Notice there are places where the panels do not even fit flush. What is up with the colorful tin foil? Is that suppose to stop solar radiation? Look at the size of the fuel tanks. Do they really expect someone to believe even at 1/6 normal gravity that a few glorified propane tanks hold enough fuel to launch a craft into orbit? It is a joke. Anyone who believes we had the technology to fly to the moon, land, take off again, and return to earth in 1969 is living in a fantacy world.
It did not happen. The reason for the hoax was two fold. One Kennedy said we would do it, so we had to save face. Second, Johnson needed a destraction to get attention away from the illegal wars in Cambodia and Laos and this hoax served that purpose.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Jdog
April 10, 2023 3:07 pm

You have it one Jdog but you have to admire the Hollywood geeks to pull this off.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
April 10, 2023 5:06 pm

Spot on Jdog

motley
motley
April 10, 2023 10:27 am

Just wondering Steve-O … how many jabs did you take?

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 10:33 am

Wait waaatt?? You’re not devastated by the jab slur? lol

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 11:10 am

Great article callback Steve!

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 11:29 am

I appreciate today’s submission, Steve. I’m undecided on the moon landings, although moving toward disbelief, on the theory that most of America is fake and ghey.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 11:32 am

I lurked like most do, for about a year and clearly remember a few shit flinging episodes. I understand it was pretty wild times even earlier. Its amusing, but not.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 2:18 pm

I remember Rob. Occasionally, he would write a nice essay about his home state of CA and really bring the page to life, but his ability to piss off people with his off the wall comments was amazing. About the same time Maggie got drummed out of the brotherhood, but she regained her senses and started appearing as Ghost.

I also remember your Big Family article.

motley
motley
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 12:39 pm

Not really a slur. A question that goes to the issue of trust.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  motley
April 10, 2023 12:41 pm

Bullshit. You intended it as a slur

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 12:52 pm

You would know.

motley
motley
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 3:29 pm

Let me guess … GET OFF MY GRASS !

motley
motley
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 3:40 pm

You sound bitter. You okay????

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 10:52 am

None? SCIENCE DENIER!

motley
motley
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 12:39 pm

A question that didn’t really need to be asked.

Toujours Pret
Toujours Pret
April 10, 2023 10:39 am

Landed on the moon or not? Just another ingredient in the distraction pie that “they” keep throwing into the faces of the herd.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 10, 2023 10:39 am

OK Mr. 477 lbs per pad. Then why no indent of any kind? Look at the 50 lb foot print right next to it?
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Anonymous
Anonymous
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 11:25 am

Oh my.

Compare that with of the man weighing about 200 pounds plus the weight of his suit and backpack divided by the surface area of his boot and you get what you see

Except you forgot to divide by 6. Specifying 200# for man but not bothering with a weight for the suit does not help either.

Kind of ruins your credibility regarding the rest.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 11:50 am

That this gets DV is sad.

RIP arithmetic.

mark
mark
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 1:53 pm

No Name…real math is simple truth…come on down voters let’s see your calculations???

Here is some more interesting NASA 666 MAFF:

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  mark
April 10, 2023 2:49 pm

come on down voters let’s see your calculations

Let us see your work first. Or did you just accept someone else’s unquestioningly?

And BTW, WTF does this have to do with the weight of a man on the moon?

mark
mark
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 4:42 pm

No name dude I have been researching this demonic Mason/NASA clown hoax for a long time…and have posted volumns about it here is some more mocking MAFF to your Anonymous face.

NASA is a just another pack of wolves, thieves, and liars…and too many are just Trumans.

2 minutes of MAFF

Anonymous
Anonymous
  mark
April 10, 2023 5:02 pm

So no, not your work, again.

And still no explanation of what this has to do with the weight of a man on the moon.

In case you have not grasped it, I think you are a fruitloop. A credulous whacko. Not quite all there. Licking the windows. Short a few bricks……

Carry on. I am sure you entertain many.

mark
mark
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 10:02 pm

The maff was between Steve (who I know and like as I too will put up fearless opinions)…two down voters and another No Name…I just appointed myself referee…the challenge was to them.

Why would you think I would care about someone who doesn’t even have the courage to use a handle that can be identified spouting cheap mouthy insults?

You don’t like me…take a number and get in line whoever you are.

Maybe you are the No Name who once attacked me because he/she/they/them/it said I never responded to their posts??? But then again who knows?

There are numinous serious well thought of posters who I admire, like, and agree with on many others issues on both sides of this thread…so there is always the freedom of opinion…go away angry No Name…I’m having FUN!

Ignore me and I will you…whoever you are?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  mark
April 12, 2023 8:28 am

The maff was between Steve (who I know and like as I too will put up fearless opinions)…two down voters and another No Name…I just appointed myself referee…the challenge was to them.

Then why did you reply to MY post?

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  mark
April 10, 2023 10:55 pm

Dis maff not be hard, yo.

mark
mark
  Aunt Acid
April 10, 2023 11:38 pm

Aunti…I find it amazing that NASA mocks us/U.S. all with their demonic maff (that is a big part of Biden…a MOCK) and most blow right past it.

Truely there is ‘Confusion in the Cosmos’!

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Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  mark
April 10, 2023 3:14 pm

What? Earth orbits the Sun at an average speed of 67,000 mph, or 18.5 miles a second. – where did you get the FM shit? And everyone knows (?) that Earth’s axial tilt (also known as the obliquity of the ecliptic) is about 23.5 degrees. You’re better than this Mark – or maybe I missed the sarc? OK I get it – sarc/off. LOL

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 5:39 pm

÷6

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Steve C.
April 12, 2023 2:48 pm

Steve, the 50 lbs. was assuming 300 lbs. of astronaut, including suit and back pack BS. divide by 6 for the 50 lbs. If you don’t see the sucker in the room, it’s because you are the sucker…

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 10:50 am

Is this a real pic from the landing site. Imo, photos like this are the fakes used to create the intended arguments among the sheep. I don’t believe much of what govt, nasa or ‘official’ narratives anymore either but I also don’t toss the baby out either. There may be elements of truth wrapped in a lot of lies. Which becomes, why??

I’m puzzled why the foils as well. Especially on a steel leg strut and foot pad. Thats why I think many such photos are fake. But, who placed the laser reflectors on the moon?? Used for measuring the distances and found the moon is receding by about an inch or more every year.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 11:41 am

The laser reflector thing is obfuscating BS.

Long before the moon landings scientists were bouncing lasers off the mon surface.

The detectors get a few photons bounced back. Nothing shows they bounced off a reflector.

BTW, how do you target a ~2 sq.ft. reflector from 250,000 miles? A 1000000x scope? If that can be done, why no close ups of the lander site?

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 11:56 am

First I heard you can bounce laser light off dirt and detect that light 500,000 miles round trip. Thats pretty impressive right there.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 11:59 am

Then you did not bother to look.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

Any input on the rest? (targeting)

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 12:27 pm

wikipedia… LMAO

lemme think. I’m only guessing here cause I can’t prove it, not owning a large enough laser etc, but I’m assuming that laser light will broaden out over distance and not remain pinpoint the same as it is when leaving. And because the landing sites were chosen then likely the area where the reflectors were placed would be known too. Just a guess there as well. So the difficulty of trying to hit a 2 sq ft reflector directly with a narrow beam of light wouldn’t be necessary, assumptions of course. But then bouncing a laser off dirt and detecting it after a 500K round trip is more plausible, right?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 12:32 pm

wikipedia… LMAO

OK LMAO boy, what is incorrect in the Wiki?

Guessing? What a waste of time. Why not actually do the research instead?

No. Much easier to just mock Wiki and toss out guesses it seems. Not exactly truth seeking there.

Fucking sad.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 12:37 pm

Whats really sad its dumb fucks like you quoting a communist dis-information site claiming its all righteous and truthful, then in the next breath claim that nothing the govt says is truthful.

The reason why I don’t bother arguing with douchebag like you because its always the same. reeeeee

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 12:45 pm

Awww didums. Did I hurt your sad little ego? Typical indignant at being shown to be a fool fuckwit behavior there.

You could have show how I was wrong. Your response shows that likely is well beyond your ability.

The reason why I don’t bother arguing with douchebag like you because its always the same.

Yes. You lack the intellectual capability.

Funny how you argue until you are shown to be a fool. Then you decide “I don’t bother arguing with”.

Pathetic.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 12:49 pm

Hurt feelings… lol You’re to stupid to know you’ve been made the fool. You couldn’t recognize sarcasm and reasonable responses if spoon fed to you. But you keep up on the wiki shit, serves you well.

I hope you’ll be one of my fan bois now and DV all my repsonses. Trying to see how many I can collect.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 12:58 pm

If you are going to call someone stupid, at least learn the difference between TOO, TO and TWO. You will look far less stupid if you can manage it.

So just a childish “I know you are but what am I” like response? That is all you have?

Back to the point. Exactly what is incorrect in the WIKI I posted?

Or just run away, proving you know jack shit and are full of same.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 1:42 pm

Well Brian, I guess you chose the latter.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 2:26 pm

Do you not understand how wikipedia operates?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
April 10, 2023 2:31 pm

Yes. It is often bullshit. But not all of it.

It provides a simple way to convey information to people who will simply ignore it anyway.

As I asked and it was evaded, “Exactly what is incorrect in the WIKI I posted?”. As you will if history is a guide.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 1:25 pm

Used for measuring the distances and found the moon is receding by about an inch or more every year.

Wait what?

Could this have anything to do with the altered electromagnetic state of the earth via human power generation/transmission and human generated emf signals?

I have often wondered if wrapping the continents in a/c transmission lines would ultimately change the charge state of the continents or entire planet causing things like: the moon being pulled closer or pushed away (as seems to be the case) or even the orbit of the earth being drawn closer to the sun or being pushed away.

This fact remains, continued human alteration of the collective electromagnetic state of the earth could be changing earth’s and the moon’s orbit paths.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Euddolen ap Afallach
April 10, 2023 1:32 pm

Interesting thought, really. Hadn’t processed that lane.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 2:15 pm

I just wondered because, if the universe is electromagnetic and our sun is actually powered by an interstellar birkeland current feeding into it, humans changing the electromagnetic state of the planet could bring about a charge state “correction” that will appear to us as massive lightning bolts connecting earth to the moon, the sun etc.

Or pethaps it could initiate the transfer of the current sun to one of the gas giant planets which would become the next Age’s Sun.

Following this of course would be millenia repeated catastrophic events until solar system conditions balance electromagnetically.

IDK….just mind wandering like I’m prone to do.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Euddolen ap Afallach
April 10, 2023 3:26 pm

Hadn’t thought of this along these lines. I’ll have to see if there are any reading materials to this topic. Thx Its an interesting concept

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  anon a moos
April 12, 2023 10:38 am

I see this:

The sun, being an arc machine churning out masses of helium and hydrogen freshly minted out of the energy feeding into it, is constantly flinging this helium and hydrogen out into the solar system.

The gas giants, like giant orbiting roombas sweep up the hydrogen and helium until the day a critical mass is reached.
Most likely, that critical.moment would be once a certain charge state threshold is reached in the gas giants.

Then what would happen is tendrils of lightning would start stepping across the planets (in the path between sun and gas giant) from the current sun like a massive Jacob’s ladder, and eventually ignite our new sun: Jupiter or Saturn [or both combine] whereas the birkelend current would eventually no longer pass through the current ‘sun’, which would revert to being a gas planet “roomba”, sweeping up gases from our new solar system.

Of course centuries of catastrophic close calls, near misses and impacts will follow as the new system planets find their new orbits.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 3:16 pm

Good question. but they did do remote landings and dropping a simple laser reflector is not beyond bounds?

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Austrian Peter
April 10, 2023 3:25 pm

apparently it is.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 9:32 pm

They must have had a heck of a budget to use gold.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
April 10, 2023 10:41 am

WE WENT TO THE MOON – COUNT ON IT

I didn’t go. Any trash you find was left there by Neil.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Euddolen ap Afallach
April 10, 2023 11:57 am

I luv the down shitters. Don’t be stealing mine ok.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 1:29 pm

I luv the down shitters. Don’t be stealing mine ok.

I deliberately tried for dvs once.
Failed fantastically.
Barely got double ds.

If I collect them incidentally you are gonna have to seek remedy from the voters.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Euddolen ap Afallach
April 10, 2023 1:32 pm

It is just the lie he tells himself to try to look brave when caught being a fool.

Of the Sour Grapes variety.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Euddolen ap Afallach
April 10, 2023 1:34 pm

Well, I’m no quitter.

Unless quit smoking counts

I think I caught a new one today, keep it a secret

and there he/her is… lol

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 1:46 pm

Well, I’m no quitter.

Unless someone calls out your stupidity. They you most definitely are a quitter. See above.

Tom Molloy
Tom Molloy
April 10, 2023 10:43 am

After 31 years in the Aerospace Industry and having a father that worked on Skylab, I can definitively tell you that there are to many unanswered legitimate questions regarding the narrative. Furthermore, the claim that everything associated with the Apollo Program has been lost or destroyed is a lie beyond imagination. The company I worked for still had every single document associated with the Viking missions and these satellite launches occurred during the same time frame.
Furthermore, NASA awarded a contract to return to the moon in 2006 with launch dates planned for 2014. There have been no launches and they now claim sometime around 2032. So in 1960 we can get there in 9 years, but with all the advancements in technology we can only get back in 26 years? Are you joking me!!
I’m sorry, you don’t have to see a skunk to know he is around!

m
m
  Tom Molloy
April 10, 2023 3:31 pm

So Skylab was a gigantic fake too?

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 10, 2023 10:44 am

Even you own LEM diagram shows no room for the rover. Duh.
And how about the extra fuel needed for the rover additional weight? They went to great lengths about the astronauts weight to stay the same, but they can through on another 800 pounds and all good? SMH.
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Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 11:29 am

I have yet to see anything that suggest the original design was to include space for a rover. Saving grams wherever they could but added a locker big enough for the moon buggy?

Your point about weight saving is important too.

World War Zero
World War Zero
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 1:20 pm

Don’t forget the above diagram is simplified for the lay public of 1960’s housewives reading TIME magazine or similar.

As a hobby, I went through these lander plans, 1000s of pages from 100s of contractors, with an eye for MIC cheating when I worked near Johnson Space Center on Redstone Arsenal. I expected to find anomalies because I was newly clued-in by the multitude of 9/11 failures and the fruitless WMD search.

The official plans for Apollo L.E.M. are public domain and still on the NASA website. You can even get the original tiny computer code and run descent/docking solutions on an emulator observing every clock cycle and register change. Try it yourself. If it was all a lie, Fedgov would have classified it all TS and you would have nothing to look at. Jokers passing around memes is not aerospace engineering.

The system is viable but not glamorous. Sharp nerds they were. No affirmative-action hires, just merit and determination. World-class integration from YT GI-bill recipients with top-notch astronauts holding it all together with pure talent and courage.

Soon enough the Chinese will be building military bases on the moon with statues of Chairman Xi. We should have done more with our space race advantage but no, had to go incinerate Vietnam (why?) and bankrupt ourselves on the Oded-Yinon project (we know why). The REAL hoax is that our “elected” national leadership is capable of solving any of the actual problems destroying this tired Republic.

Our glory days are over, so of course we impotently bicker.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  World War Zero
April 11, 2023 3:58 pm

B.S. Absolutely zero mentions of the rover. Nasa is fake and GAY.
https://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/a14-43939523-LM10-LM14-Fam-Manual.pdf

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 11, 2023 4:28 pm

You are correct. P.31 does mention it and that it stores in Quadrant 1.

I have yet to see anything that suggest the original design was to include space for a rover.

Now I have. Thanks.

Very good PDF find too.

Still don’t think the rover could actually fit there, but who knows.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  World War Zero
April 12, 2023 10:45 am

Don’t forget the above diagram is simplified for the lay public of 1960’s housewives reading TIME magazine or similarDon’t forget the above diagram is simplified for the lay public of 1960’s housewives reading TIME magazine or similar.

Yep.
NASA still maintains the Accuracy In Housewife Information Section!

Finius
Finius
April 10, 2023 10:44 am

Be sure to get another booster shot and donate to democracy in Ukraine.

GNL
GNL
April 10, 2023 10:47 am

Why do people keep using the word “Believe”?

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  GNL
April 10, 2023 11:08 am

I’d be interested to know why Russia, China, or India don’t publicly denounce the “fraud”.

GNL
GNL
  The Central Scrutinizer
April 10, 2023 11:32 am

In my opinion, either way, you have to BELIEVE. The “facts” from both sides are “credible”.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  The Central Scrutinizer
April 10, 2023 11:33 am

Maybe they’re saving the big reveal for when they actually land the first man on the moon.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  The Central Scrutinizer
April 10, 2023 11:55 am

Because they’re all in it together. They’re all ruled by the same bastards that own the world. The world is not the way it is portrayed to be by the mainstream. It’s all smoke and mirrors. It’s really that simple.

motley
motley
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 3:32 pm

Mike drop!

ramAustralia
ramAustralia
  The Central Scrutinizer
April 11, 2023 1:47 am

Their scientific journals and aerospace publications certainly did spell it out. You only have to look in their libraries.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  GNL
April 10, 2023 11:30 am

Because probably 99% of what people think they “know” is actually just belief. A remarkably small number of people know anything.

Chuck
Chuck
April 10, 2023 10:56 am

I always figured that the Soviets would have trumpeted any information available that showed the moon landings were faked. Since they didn’t, it’s quite possible we went.

I know a negative doesn’t prove a positive, but politics tends to screw up logic.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Chuck
April 10, 2023 11:34 am

Soviets would have trumpeted any information available that showed the moon landings were faked.

They were running a concurrent nuke and space program scheme in Sovietland.

ramAustralia
ramAustralia
  Euddolen ap Afallach
April 11, 2023 1:50 am

They had their own secrets that they didn’t want the Americans to expose.

Mushroom Cloud
Mushroom Cloud
  Chuck
April 10, 2023 11:39 am

Unless the Sputniks had the same masters?

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Mushroom Cloud
April 10, 2023 7:43 pm

Unless the Sputniks had the same masters?

YOU ARE HERE》

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Chuck
April 10, 2023 12:01 pm

Sure, the same way that they didn’t trumpet the covid scamdemic, which makes it legit, right? Politics is just a circus for the dumb masses. Time to wake up!

ramAustralia
ramAustralia
  Chuck
April 11, 2023 1:48 am

Soviet, and other, scientific journals and aerospace publications certainly did spell it out. You only have to look in their libraries.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  ramAustralia
April 11, 2023 10:01 am

You only have to look in their libraries.

You mean actually look for themselves? Make the effort? LOL. Good one.

Despite years here, many will STILL deny it is true unless on American Television. The US media can’t be trusted, but they accept it over any foreign source, ’cause USA!USA!USA! We’re #1 (at assumption). Many will deny it, but the evidence is here.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Chuck
April 12, 2023 3:19 pm

From a mentor:

“There are no contradictions. If you see a contradiction, it simply means one or more of your parameters are incorrect. Go back and check the parameters, until the contradiction is gone.”

Larry Maier
Larry Maier
April 10, 2023 11:02 am

The only way to accomplish such a huge hoax and keep the truth secret, with so many people involved, would be a credible threat of assassination . Hmmm.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Larry Maier
April 10, 2023 11:45 am

The only way to accomplish such a huge hoax and keep the truth secret, with so many people involved, would be a credible threat of assassination . Hmmm

Really?

TPTB could just lie to them all about what they are doing, compartmentalize so dept A knows not of what depts B C D are doing. [Also, make sure the main event only has 3 pairs of eyes.]

All one needs to pull off world class scams and schemes is a core group of wealthy pranksters.

There are many ways to control people other than threat of immediate death.

Many people can be had for the price of a meal or even a listening ear.
_____
To those who cling to the idea that a “conspiracy so big could never be pulled off” I refer all to the time period: January 2020 to April 2023.

ramAustralia
ramAustralia
  Larry Maier
April 11, 2023 1:52 am

They certainly did that enough times.

TLate
TLate
April 10, 2023 11:06 am

I go by George Carlins rule; First rule: I don’t believe anything the government tells me….wise man that George.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  TLate
April 10, 2023 12:06 pm

It’s a big club and you ain’t in it. It’s time for people to realize that we have owners. I wish it was a joke but the evidence all around us shows that this world is a farm and we are property. The rest is all bullshit distraction.

Administrator
Administrator
April 10, 2023 11:10 am

I told Steve this would happen

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Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 12:08 pm

^^^^^ lol

World War Zero
World War Zero
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 12:41 pm

Now convince them the Pyramids weren’t built by aliens and that the Roman aqueducts actually worked.

mark
mark
April 10, 2023 11:10 am

I love ya Steve ole buddy…but it never happened…

This is probably one of the top videos (29 minutes and worth the time no matter what you believe) pulling everything together on the Moon Landing hoax…listen to the points on the three ‘murdered’ Astronaut whistle blowers…a point rarely discussed.

Those Masons running NASA do not tolerate Whistle Blowers well…especially one who put a Lemon on the Lemon…just saying.

SCIENCE PROVES THAT NASA FAKED THE MOON LANDINGS – MOON LANDING HOAX

I have MOUR coming…but farm chores are calling me and they are real!

mark
mark
  mark
April 10, 2023 1:10 pm

THE APOLLO 1 FIRE AND GUS GRISSOM’S DEATH

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Grissom along with two other astronauts, Roger Chafee and Edward White, were slated to launch the inaugural mission of the Apollo program in February of 1967. About a month prior to the designated launch, the crew gathered at Cape Kennedy Air Force Station for a “plugs-out” test, which was essentially a mock launch.

Within the first few hours, it became clear that there were numerous issues with the module. The crew reported a foul smell coming from their breathing oxygen system as well as issues with their communication system. Grissom was notably aggravated with the technical difficulties and was recorded as saying, “How are we going to get to the moon if we can’t talk between two or three buildings?” and calling the module a “bucket full of screws.”

But Grissom had also shown frustrations with the program leading up to that day, having purportedly told his wife, Betty, that if there were ever a serious accident in the space program it would likely involve him. He was also said to have grabbed a lemon from a tree on his property before heading to base and tying it to the hatch of the simulator. When he was asked by the media what he thought the chances were of the Apollo missions succeeding, he replied that he thought they were slim.
Within a few hours of the simulation, a spark from under Grissom’s seat ignited a fire that quickly engulfed the entire capsule. The pure oxygen and highly pressurized cabin quickly fueled the fire and prevented the astronauts from being able to open the hatch, trapping them inside. They all perished before NASA employees were able to open the hatch and free them.

NASA claimed that the fire burned toxic chemicals, causing the astronauts to die from asphyxiation within a minute, though a claim from someone within the private contractor North American Aviation said that the crew struggled to open the hatch for a full five minutes. NAA had been the primary contractor in building the module and was put under intense scrutiny when a congressional investigation exposed documented evidence of failings and inadequacies in the company’s development process.

THE APOLLO 1 CONSPIRACY

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There was one safety inspector who brought to light the technical issues surrounding the Apollo 1 mission, whose story is particularly conspicuous in the possibility of a larger cover-up. Thomas Ronald Baron was a quality control and safety inspector for NAA who has been highly critical of NASA and its protocol during the Apollo project. Baron put out a 55-page report detailing the shortcomings and disarray that the program was in.

Baron’s report was brushed off as being overly critical and blown out of proportion, with few of his claims having any real credibility. At one point, he testified before Congress claiming that, under current circumstances at NASA, we would never make it to the moon.

Though, many did not pay attention to Baron and believed that he was potentially being used as a pawn in Sen. Walter Mondale’s campaign to expose and dismantle NASA for its wasteful spending. Baron was fired by NAA for leaking his report to the press, while his company denied the majority of his criticisms. It later came out that top-level officials verified the credibility of at least half of his claims.

A few weeks later, the Apollo disaster occurred and Baron began work on turning his 55-page report into a 500-page report excoriating NASA and NAA for the failures that led to the tragedy. Oddly enough, within a week Baron and his family were killed when their car was struck by a train. The cause of death was ruled accidental and no autopsy was performed.

The official verdict was that Baron likely tried to race a train to beat it before it crossed the tracks with his wife and step-daughter in the car. If this sounds absurd, that’s because it is. A whistleblower who testified before Congress against NASA and a large private aerospace contractor just happened to die because he didn’t have the patience to wait for a train to cross? Unsurprisingly, the official ruling said that he was mentally unstable and that there was even the possibility that he was attempting suicide; a common cover up tactic and attempt to explain what would otherwise look like a blatant murder.

BARON’S 500 PAGE REPORT WAS DESTROYED AND NEVER PUBLISHED.

(Hmmmm…nothing to see here…move along)

THE GRISSOM FAMILY’S OUTRAGE

In 1999 the charred remains of the test module that trapped Grissom and his two colleagues was opened up for his family to see. Scott noticed a fabricated metal plate behind a switch on one of the instrumentation panels. He believed that the switch was used to deliberately create a spark that would have ignited the cabin, killing Grissom and the other astronauts.

This story was supposedly backed by an aerospace contractor who worked for McDonnell-Douglas, a company that later merged with Boeing. Scott Grissom believed that NASA didn’t want his father to be the first man on the moon after his botched Liberty Bell 7 landing. He said he believed that NASA might not have trusted him and was likely upset with Grissom’s outspoken frustration with the technical difficulties in the Apollo program.

But Scott Grissom said that he’s not exactly sure why NASA or the government would want to prevent his father from continuing in the program, to the extent that they would sabotage him, but he believes it was intentional. And Gus Grissom’s wife, Betty, also agrees with her son, saying that she too believes her husband was murdered. In the end, Grissom’s eerie, prophetic statement to his wife was right, the first serious accident in the space program did involve him.

Why was astronaut Gus Grissom really murdered via the Apollo 1 arson fire?

turiya
turiya
April 10, 2023 11:12 am

Apollo 15’s feather & hammer drop:

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  turiya
April 10, 2023 1:14 pm

How do you know what those objects are made of?

Have you ever seen a magic show before? It isn’t really magic you know.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  hardscrabble farmer
April 10, 2023 5:46 pm

and all about belief.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
April 11, 2023 12:08 am

That looked like a very heavy feather.

Rise Up
Rise Up
  hardscrabble farmer
April 11, 2023 2:10 pm

“I wouldn’t have seen it if I hadn’t believed it.” – Curious skeptic

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Rise Up
April 12, 2023 3:22 pm

Headlines:

“Metaphor Mutilations On Rise”

Getsgee
Getsgee
April 10, 2023 11:16 am

Steve, Here are my questions: How is it possible to have a vacuum connected to a non vacuum? Why is it that the moon creates tides in the oceans but not in lakes?
Until I can understand the vacuum issue, I can not believe in outer space as it has been described. That the moon is unable to effect water in large lakes leads me to conclude that: 1) the moon is not responsible for tides, (2) that the moon has no mass, (3) people are lying about the characteristics of the moon.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Getsgee
April 10, 2023 12:26 pm
hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 1:20 pm

…the Great Lakes are considered to be non-tidal.

From the article above.

Logic, being what it is, would suggest that the effects of the Moon in terms of tide would be far more pronounced on smaller bodies of water.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
April 10, 2023 1:26 pm

…the Great Lakes are considered to be non-tidal.

Consider to be. Not actually, just consider to be.

From the same article you cherry picked.

True tides—changes in water level caused by the gravitational forces of the sun and moon—do occur in a semi-diurnal (twice daily) pattern on the Great Lakes. Studies indicate that the Great Lakes spring tide, the largest tides caused by the combined forces of the sun and moon, is less than five centimeters in height. These minor variations are masked by the greater fluctuations in lake levels produced by wind and barometric pressure changes.

So actually tidal.

Logic, being what it is, would suggest that the effects of the Moon in terms of tide would be far more pronounced on smaller bodies of water.

How so? Why?

Getsgee
Getsgee
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 1:40 pm

Gravity, the magical force. Riddle me this: If gravity is the attraction between two bodies of mass, then what is the force that keeps those bodies apart? That is, why have the earth and moon not come together? Just like when the apple fell onto Newtons head on its way to earth.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Getsgee
April 10, 2023 1:51 pm

Your post suggests you don’t have enough understanding of physics to understand any explanation.

You are on the internet. Search. Read. Learn.

Getsgee
Getsgee
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 3:39 pm

Funny how that force is sufficiently strong to stop the bodies themselves from coming together but does not affect the moons ability to influence water on the surface of the earth, which by the way shares the same rotational rate and in fact accounts for a significant part of the earths mass.

Getsgee
Getsgee
  Getsgee
April 10, 2023 3:40 pm

Should we not observe tides of dust on the moon?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Getsgee
April 10, 2023 3:41 pm

Confirming my suspicion.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 4:58 pm

You can lead a man to the Internet, but you can’t make him learn from it

Getsgee
Getsgee
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 5:43 pm

Friend, you live in the equivalent of a snow globe. Outside of the globe is water. The stars and planets that you see are plasma discharges caused by sound, Sonoluminescence. There is no gravity, only density. I don’t know what the moon is but I would bet my life that it is not a ball of rock. I studied physics up to first year university; I guess it didn’t take.

Jdog
Jdog
  Getsgee
April 10, 2023 2:35 pm

Centrifical force.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
April 10, 2023 2:40 pm

OY!. Stop that. Make them go find out on their own.

BTW Centrifugal

Getsgee
Getsgee
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 3:47 pm

I believe it actually to be centripetal force that you mean.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Getsgee
April 10, 2023 4:02 pm

The way the question was asked makes a difference.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Getsgee
April 10, 2023 8:08 pm

It’s spelled “centrifeudal”

k31
k31
  Getsgee
April 10, 2023 8:16 pm

It is the equilibrium between centripetal force and gravity that makes a stable orbit (distance between two bodies).

Getsgee
Getsgee
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 1:48 pm

By the way, the link that you posted does nothing in the way of an explanation. It only states that there are tides in the great lakes but they are so negligible as to be dismissed. I wonder why?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Getsgee
April 10, 2023 12:51 pm

Everything is a lie. The owners had to lie to the slaves from the beginning because unlike the rest of the animals, they gave them the capacity to think. They obviously needed more than mechanical robots for their agenda, so they’ve had to fool the slaves in many different ways.

Religion, science and politics are some of the tools in their arsenal. The point is to deceive, distract and most important of all, divide.

Now they’re remaking society to make it easier for them and their shills to manage the herd. That’s why they’re turning everything upside down. They are changing one type indoctrination for another one more in line with the kind of world they want to create.

Where in the past they needed people to procreate, now they want to reduce the world’s population. That’s why you see all the craziness going on about sex, scamdemics and lethal vaccines.

No imaginary god or politician is going to save you. All politicians are in it, that’s why they become politicians in the first place. It’s all smoke and mirrors folks.

Euddolen ap Afallach DA
Euddolen ap Afallach DA
  Anonymous
April 11, 2023 1:10 pm

Close Anonomous,
But the pendulum may have swung too far when we arrive at the “all is fake” side.

Once we believe “all is fake” we will ignore indications of real threats to our peril.

There is truth hidden openly in many places.
By taking the stand all is fake, one practically gaurantees they will never find the true answers to all the questions of life.
__

It’s the baby and bathwater principle.

I once held many strong viewpoints and prejudices which were as effective as an electrified fence in keeping my mind from looking at any “wrongthink” information.

But one day I decided to see for myself what was verboten. And i discovered there is a lot of valuable information in sources I had been indoctrinated to dismiss, avoid or ignore.

It has been over 30 years effort.
Stripped the car down to the frame I did.

My advice?
Study everything.
If it is horrible, move on to the next thing.

Life can be, sort of like a giant rubik’s cube we build inside our mind. Each new skill or topic becomes a new square on our rubik’s cube of memories.
______

Ideas be seeds.
Minds be fields.

Rise Up
Rise Up
  Getsgee
April 11, 2023 2:14 pm
Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Rise Up
April 12, 2023 10:52 am
hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
April 10, 2023 11:24 am

I have much respect for the opinions of others even when I am not in agreement. Some of my favorite customers on the farm are Muslims. I don’t have to be one in order to respect them and their opinions. I feel the same way here. Steve always contributes well reasoned responses when he comments and I appreciate his research and the time it takes to articulate a post like this.

That said there are far too many contradictions, falsehoods and deliberate misrepresentations from the official sources to allow a reasonable person to accept the narrative.

For me it has almost nothing to do with the technical details and nearly everything to do with the human element. I have a limited understanding of the physics or rocket science, but I know a far too much about human behavior to allow me to accept the story.

And once again, the foundational premise of truth is that the person making a claim must provide the burden of proof, not the one who questions their tale.

The single greatest accomplishment in the history of mankind and these men look like they are on trial for their lives. And one of the two men who stood on the surface of the Moon only two weeks earlier claims that he can’t remember if there were any visible stars until he was corrected by the only member of the crew who wasn’t on the lunar surface. It is simply inexplicable if the story is true. For me.

YMMV

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  hardscrabble farmer
April 10, 2023 12:09 pm

MKUltra hangovers.

Jdog
Jdog
  hardscrabble farmer
April 11, 2023 9:56 am

The fact that this issue comes down to belief and opinions makes the entire subject suspect. If it happened there should beincontrovertible proof. After all it was basically a science experiment.

ramAustralia
ramAustralia
  Jdog
April 11, 2023 8:00 pm

It would have been easy enough for any real men on the moon to lay out (say) a big cross of reflective material that could be seen on earth using medium sized (university and serious amateur) telescopes.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
April 10, 2023 11:27 am

Steve, I suspect you may have posted this article for the comment section reaction:

And judging by how fast this comment thread is filling up, I’d say, “ya hit your mark!”
__________
My bad, I forgot….

“Gobble gobble gobble. Gobble gobble gobble!”

ConservativeTeachersExist
ConservativeTeachersExist
April 10, 2023 11:27 am

The phrase “lead a horse to water” comes to mind. To all you folks who think the moon landing was staged…Bless your hearts, but y’all are kinda special. I have to agree with Steve. Either you believe it or you don’t. Nothing I say will change your mind and vice-versa. To quote the X-files, the Truth is out there, but my guess is the deniers will have to be standing on the moon touching the base of the LEM before they believe. As for me, I believe I’ll have another cup of coffee.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  ConservativeTeachersExist
April 10, 2023 12:58 pm

To be fair our position is exactly the same.

Belief. You believe it, I don’t, neither of us knows.

So now you are forced to move on to the next step, who do you believe and why?

For me, once someone is caught in a lie and they neither admit it, nor show contrition, then there no longer exists any reason to accept their narrative no matter how compelling it may seem.

Seems like a perfectly reasonable position.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
April 10, 2023 1:08 pm

For me, once someone is caught in a lie and they neither admit it, nor show contrition, then there no longer exists any reason to accept their narrative no matter how compelling it may seem.

Eliminating 99% of TBP posters.

Hell, even the Administrator here said (Paraphrase) “Never admit you were wrong”, when I called him out on the picture of the dead bodies under black tarp. It was from something entirely unrelated to the article. He, and about half the forum, attacked me for pointing it out. I was right, they were wrong. Provide links to the original article that had the picture. Actual PROOF.

Nobody “admit it, nor show contrition”. They doubled down.

You did too.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 1:49 pm

Link please.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
April 10, 2023 2:13 pm

More than a year ago. Can’t recall the article title. Something about Ukie dead.

Telling me you don’t remember this?

And what difference would it make?

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 6:03 pm

I write roughly a hundred posts a week, a couple of essays, etc. And I am currently in my dotage. So yes, a single comment a year ago about dead Ukrainians did not make enough of an impression for me to recall based on your comment.

“You did too.”

You seem to remember, perhaps you can give me context so I can either refute your claim or accept that I was mistaken, apologize and show contrition for being incorrect, the behavior I have repeatedly used as the benchmark for maintaining a reputation as an honorable person.

That would be the difference it would make.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
April 10, 2023 6:16 pm

OK. Fair enough. Appreciate the tone.

To the best of my recollection, it was a picture of a plaza with a bunch of bodies under body bags or tarps, with a reporter in the foreground. The article I believe was mocking the Ukrainian propaganda that it was supposed to represent.

There was also video in which one of the “dead” grabbed the corner of his tarp to hold it down in the wind.

The video was actually from a protest in the past and was not even anything to do with the Ukraine IIRC. I had read the actual article the video was from and pointed out the error. It did not go over well and a dogpile commenced.

To be clear, I don’t really care. I was not harmed. But it did not improve my opinion of the general population here, especially some I had respect for until then. I was embarrassed for the locals more than anything.

I have tried to find the post but have not so far.

Edit: It was a Article by Administrator IIRC.

Jdog
Jdog
  Steve C.
April 11, 2023 10:00 am

As I said before, if it happened there should beincontrovertible proof. After all it was basically a science experiment. The fact that there is not real proof, and the matter comes down to faith, is basically evidence that it did not happen.

ConservativeTeachersExist
ConservativeTeachersExist
  hardscrabble farmer
April 11, 2023 4:40 pm

You are correct sir. I’ve spoken with Gene Kranz, and I’ve found him to be honorable as well as honest. If you want to discount that there’s nothing I can say that will ever persuade you, but that’s OK. One day both of us will stand before the Lord and He’ll tell you that I was correct all along.

Boogie
Boogie
April 10, 2023 11:52 am

WE WENT TO THE MOON – COUNT ON IT

For me it just reinforces the idea that we are getting dumber by the day. Oh, and by the way, Global Warming is settled science. Get with the “program” people!

Rise Up
Rise Up
  Boogie
April 11, 2023 2:27 pm

Surely you forgot to use the “/s” tag on your comment about GW.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 10, 2023 11:53 am

Pretty disheartening thread.

Seems about half of TBP is seriously deficient in rational observation skills.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 12:09 pm

Yes, but which half?

anon a moos
anon a moos
  MrLiberty
April 10, 2023 12:16 pm

OH… lol Thats like asking him to hold this large bulls eye in front on himself.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  MrLiberty
April 10, 2023 12:17 pm

Yes, but which half?

The half that’s wrong, a duh!
Lol

Anonymous
Anonymous
  MrLiberty
April 10, 2023 12:17 pm

if you have to ask…..

clbrto
clbrto
April 10, 2023 12:20 pm

you sound vaccinated

sorry, don’t wish to be rude, but I’ve been waiting to use that one

flat earth all the way here!

anon a moos
anon a moos
April 10, 2023 12:45 pm

Pretty sad state of affairs when a moon article goes ballistic ape shit with commenters and yet radio silent of what to do about the collapse of the usausa empire. Its obvious now whats a priority and whats not.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 12:50 pm

Yes. It is. For you at least.

Distraction from your idiotic comments.

Nobody read and see what fool anon a moos made of himself.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 12:52 pm

Sweet. A fan boi. hang in there dude or dudette. I suspect dudette.

Nobody read and see what fool anon a moos made of himself.

Because one of the many anonymous’s is here to protect you from that bad man moos lmao

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 2:39 pm

So why aren’t you posting under Brian? Make too (how it is used properly) many stupid comments on that handle?

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 1:00 pm

Pretty sad state of affairs when a moon article goes ballistic ape shit with commenters and yet radio silent of what to do about the collapse of the usausa

Haven’t you ever heard that old saying I just made up?

“If one has no control over anything, one has carte blanche to bitch about everything.”

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Euddolen ap Afallach
April 10, 2023 1:05 pm

Theres no shame in running the race and losing.

Theres only shame when you are to afraid to run the race, for fear of losing.

Added: I almost made this up

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  anon a moos
April 10, 2023 1:50 pm

Theres only shame when you are to afraid to run the race, for fear of losing.

I like it.
How about:

“The paths one must walk,
The banners of caring ,
Made sometimes by choice,
More often by scaring.”

Motown
Motown
April 10, 2023 12:46 pm

Yeah, well, you’re full of S too… 😉

JIMSKI
JIMSKI
April 10, 2023 12:50 pm

Why? At this point why even try?

The defects that think the earth is flat and the moon was fake and chemtrails OMG.

First, have you ever met someone who was like ” O the world is flat but chemtrails are bullshit ” . Nope said everyone. If they believe one nutty nuget bar is delicious they buy them all.
2nd
Think about the posters HERE who have plied the trade of lookatmeimsosmart. 1/2 of them post shit to just get a rise from the defects. The other 1/2 when faced with the reality of well thought out logic and science are never swayed. You will not fix these people. You could build your own fucking rocket and take them to the moon and bang the over large but mostly empty cranial cavity against the junk we seem to leave everywhere we go and it would not help.

By the way. Fires being set in California are being used to hide a Red Court Vampire outbreak.
Prove me wrong.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  JIMSKI
April 10, 2023 7:10 pm

Think about the posters HERE

I can’t!
Not while you are wearing those SHOES!
Those shoes those shoes those shoes!
Where did you get those shoes?
Hey?
You think they come in US 10.5 5E?

_________

Funniest thing about the moon landings?
Is it all happened remotely, out of view of the public.
That’s all anyone other than those directly involved can ever legitimately claim.

What did the public witness?
A low resolution TV show.

Who told you? NASA
Who benefits? NASA
_________

My take?
Whether true or false, the validity of the moon landings are not a hill I choose to die on.
But it sure as heck is fun to take an opposing position….

I encourage all to heartily embrace all those beliefs which lead to self care, care for others, and care for the planet cycles which make life possible .

Organist1022
Organist1022
April 10, 2023 12:55 pm

I haven’t yet read the comments. I may do so, or not.

For me, the greatest proof that we WENT to the moon is very simple. To claim otherwise is to believe that thousands of people, the THOUSANDS that worked on this project over many years, have been lying about it to their children and grandchildren for decades. For these people, this was the equivalent of winning the Super Bowl times 100. In their life going forward, very little if anything will compare to that feeling. And I’m supposed to believe that these folks kept that lie going to the grave, with no en masse tell-all in our jaded world? Nope, not buying it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Organist1022
April 10, 2023 1:10 pm

Evidence, not proof.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Organist1022
April 10, 2023 1:54 pm

You should look into the concept of compartmentalization, it’s clear you haven’t considered that possibility.

k31
k31
  hardscrabble farmer
April 10, 2023 8:26 pm

When we are fist told this concept when we get our clearances it sounds perfectly reasonable until you realize it means human decency can’t be relied upon to police the system.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Organist1022
April 10, 2023 2:07 pm

Yep.
Even the secretaries,warehouse parts guys, TV repaiman and milkman were in on it.

Amazing what installing a softserve machine at NASA accomplished.

Lol

Rise Up
Rise Up
  Organist1022
April 11, 2023 2:32 pm

For me, the greatest proof that we WENT to the moon is very simple. To claim otherwise is to believe that thousands of people, the THOUSANDS that worked on this project over many years…

It could have been a real project but at some point they realized it couldn’t be accomplished, and the plan shifted to a video production.

Just throwing this out there…

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 10, 2023 1:33 pm

I really can’t comment on the moon, but we have been to space, I get satellite TV!

Paul Niemi
Paul Niemi
April 10, 2023 1:51 pm

The proof we went to the moon is the photo of earth from the lunar surface. At the time, there were no other means by which that photo could be taken. Later photos taken by space vehicles proved that the picture was accurate and could not have been simulated.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Paul Niemi
April 10, 2023 1:58 pm

EVIDENCE a camera went to the moon…. at best. Proves nothing.

Certainly nothing regarding “we went to the moon”.

At the time, there were no other means by which that photo could be taken.

Entirely false.

Paul Niemi
Paul Niemi
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 4:48 pm

See “Earthrise,” Dec. 24, 1968, Apollo 8. Prior to that photo, no one had seen the whole earth from space. No one knew what it looked like. People had seen a few photos from low earth orbit, but no one expected to see the astounding, jem-like blue marble, ensconced in the blackness of space. The high resolution of the wide-format Hasselblad propagated an image that could never be falsified in a laboratory. One cannot fake an image of something no one has ever seen before.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Paul Niemi
April 10, 2023 5:33 pm

I am sure you think this addresses my point. Unfortunately I am obviously too dim to see it.

Care to explain how this proves “we went to the moon”? And please clarify who “we” is.

Euddolen ap Afallach DA
Euddolen ap Afallach DA
  Paul Niemi
April 10, 2023 8:14 pm

.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Paul Niemi
April 10, 2023 4:42 pm

Ever heard of CGI?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 4:49 pm

In 1969?

Euddolen ap Afallach DA
Euddolen ap Afallach DA
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 9:33 pm

Lookout Mountain!
The top movie specialists and technicians are here!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 11, 2023 2:22 pm

Vertigo by Alfred Hitchcock was one of the first movies to use CGI, primitive as it was; that was in 1959.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 11, 2023 2:31 pm

“C”GI?

edit. OK, looked it up. That is an extreme stretch of to fit in the CGI category, but technically correct. It was not even an electronic computer, it was mechanical. Basically a Spirograph.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Paul Niemi
April 10, 2023 6:09 pm

Have you seen all the NASA photos of the Earth where the scale of North America are wildly different? How would one account for that if they were authentic?

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Hence any photographic evidence provided by NASA is suspect. Until they explain the disparity, which they have yet to do.

Paul Niemi
Paul Niemi
  hardscrabble farmer
April 13, 2023 10:58 am

All the images are relative, because the atmosphere acts as a lens changing the appearance of continents depending on the viewing angle. We can see the same effect from the earth’s surface as the moon rises, appearing larger at the horizon and then smaller overhead.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Paul Niemi
April 12, 2023 12:34 pm

Yep.
No way in 1969 to assemble a composite photograph from multiple sources.

I’m pretty sure i remember that photographic manipulation was banned from the universe during the spaced program.

~Gavriel Abir Ph.D M.I.T.
Smart-Assian Communications Engineer

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
April 10, 2023 1:57 pm

Well done Steve, you have displayed the classic knowledge of a well-informed engineer. My reverence for engineers is without bounds because I have worked with them so many times during my career as a systems consultant.

My only concern regarding the validity of the moonshot is that I am already convinced of so many false flags perpetrated by the US military-intelligence- complex, it would not surprise me that this too was contrived. Is this an orange? 2 mins of your time:

First political question: If USA achieved this amazing project with crude 1950/60s technology, why wait so long before returning – and failing?

Second physics question: Can humans survive when travelling to the moon? “NASA’s Van Allen Probes Spot an Impenetrable Barrier in Space” this is above my pay grade: https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/van-allen-probes-spot-impenetrable-barrier-in-space

Third astronomical question: Can you see leftover equipment on the Moon?
“As cool as it would be to gaze up at the moon and see one of the lunar rovers, it’s just not possible. Unfortunately, there is no telescope on Earth powerful enough to spot any of the objects that have been left behind.” Yet we can see lots of cosmic stuff from Hubble etc – I can’t judge this but to simple me, in order to put this ‘conspiracy’ to death I can’t believe it’s beyond our 21st century tech (with a low budget) to spot over 800 objects left on the moon (mainly detritus): https://science.howstuffworks.com/question188.htm

Finally : “It is far better to have questions without answers, than answers that cannot be questioned.” – Carl Sagan. You’ve got a lot of work here Steve, sorry. I don’t know anything like enough to judge truth from fiction – you might. The last 10 mins are worth a quick check:

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 2:37 pm

The shielding was sufficient to protect the crew.

Well, that settles it.

Facepalm.

Anything to actually back this up?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 3:47 pm

DV?

So that would be a no.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 3:38 pm

Always good to chat with you, a wonderful TBper Steve, you are a star and I miss the Mafia very much; although when I have time I enjoy your Sunday picks, and find that special peace in real music!

As McArthur said – ” I shall return” but at present time is short whilst I put together my ‘Book Part 2’ and keeping my Substack going with lots of wonderful readers. I miss our chats. The comments on my Substack are amazing, almost as good as TBP!:
https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/witchs-brew-euphorestra-hawkeye-crown?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=762792&post_id=113453132&isFreemail=false&utm_medium=email

I remain sceptical because of all the lies and PsyOp from not only USA but UK too, who are past masters at subterfuge. We certainly appear to be in a war for the minds of men (and women) – but I know the globalists can’t win. Onward and upward into the deep fake world which appears to have emerged out of our advanced Tech which I don’t understand. I avoid anything with ‘smart’ in its name! Admin did a great report the other day – did you see it?

People Behind Biden Announce Creation of Formal National Surveillance State, Yet No One Seems Bothered

Look out for FedNow – it’s the start…

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Steve C.
April 10, 2023 5:57 pm

There is also the factor of time.
The astronauts weren’t in space long enough for their radiation exposure to have caused any meaningful cellular damage.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  YourAverageJoe
April 10, 2023 5:59 pm

Speculation or proven?

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Anonymous
April 11, 2023 7:15 pm

I do not know the measure of the VA belts in roentgens or curies, nor do I know what doses a human can safely endure as I’ve forgotten.
I would like for you to provide that info please.
Without the values to calculate, any harm from these belts is speculation.

Jdog
Jdog
  YourAverageJoe
April 11, 2023 10:02 am

Proof please….

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Jdog
April 11, 2023 7:59 pm

The Van Allen belts: are they dangerous?

Not posted as “proof” as in my opinion, the landings haven’t been disproven either.
Just interesting reading on the VA Belts.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  YourAverageJoe
April 12, 2023 5:42 am

the landings haven’t been disproven either.

Ah yes. Put proving a negative on others.

At least you have learned to put “my opinion” on your link.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Anonymous
April 12, 2023 9:27 pm

At least you have learned to use “Anonymous” in your comments.

Random63
Random63
  YourAverageJoe
April 11, 2023 4:14 pm

They were travelling about 25,000 mph through the belts, limiting their time in them.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Random63
April 11, 2023 8:00 pm

The ISS dips into them occasionally.

ramAustralia
ramAustralia
  Random63
April 11, 2023 8:09 pm

The belts are real big. Radiation in deep space is also deadly. Radiation on the moon is even more deadly. Probes have ascertained this. Results published in many countries in the scientific literature.

Jdog
Jdog
  Steve C.
April 11, 2023 10:01 am

The shielding was sufficient to protect the crew. Proof please…..

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
April 11, 2023 12:49 pm

And still not a shred of evidence presented. Not hard to figure why.

IT’S A LIE. Fucking dishonourable.

Steve C. made a similar claim “The shielding was sufficient to protect the crew.” with absolutely fuck all to back it. And still has not provided anything to back this BS assertion.

@Steve C. & YourAverageJoe
Why claim something when clearly you don’t know shit about it? What is the point? What do you gain? A feeling of being ‘smart’? For lying?

I am genuinely interested in why you would do this.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Anonymous
April 11, 2023 7:20 pm

You seem upset. Have a beer.
Valid points are being made, such as why photo film wasn’t exposed by the VA belts radiation, the instant radio communication, stuff like that.
I got a little excited the first go round. Now I just like seeing other points of view on this subject.
I don’t have to provide proof of anything to have an opinion.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  YourAverageJoe
April 12, 2023 5:36 am

I don’t have to provide proof of anything to have an opinion.

There is also the factor of time.
The astronauts weren’t in space long enough for their radiation exposure to have caused any meaningful cellular damage.

That is an opinion? Looks like a statement to me. Nice effort at evasion. I stand by my evaluation.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Anonymous
April 12, 2023 9:29 pm

“Anonymous” is.the.perfect attempt at.evasion

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Steve C.
April 12, 2023 5:59 am

I can remember reading about it many years ago, but if you are unfamiliar with it I did what you could have yourself in less than five minutes

So you remembered reading about it, post it as fact, get called out on not actually knowing, THEN you go try to find something to back what you stated.

The outermost layer was a thick layer of aluminum, which provided some protection against the less energetic particles. Inside the spacecraft, the astronauts were further protected by a layer of beryllium, which is an effective shield against high-energy protons.

Posted as fact? Sure looks that way. BTW “some protection”
Because the link you provide says so? Why did you not just post a link to NASA?

The shielding was sufficient to protect the crew.

You are claiming the shielding was sufficient and effective. Nothing to suggest opinion, stated as fact. Based on, by your own words, a memory you did not bother to confirm before stating it as a fact. BTW, is “some protection” the same as “The shielding was sufficient to protect the crew”?

This is about you and Joe posting shit as a statement of fact, when clearly you didn’t know them to BE facts.

NEXT TIME DO YOUR OWN DAMNED WORK!

Next time, do your research before posting OPINION as FACT. (For both you and Joe)

The True Nolan
The True Nolan
April 10, 2023 2:00 pm

“With that in mind, if you look at some of the photos that NASA has released of our moon landings objectively you will see some that show the side of the lunar lander that is in shadow. Even though in the dark, the American flag and the words UNITED STATES are always clearly visible as if lit. That is impossible. That is clearly an enhancement of the photos.”

Impossible? No. Imagine you are on the moon, no atmosphere to scatter light. If you face the Sun, your front is BRIGHTLY lit, and your back gets no sunlight at all. Now turn around and let the sun light up your back. Your face gets no sunlight at all. However… You are now facing a very brightly lit landscape. How bright? Bright enough you probably need something to filter the light going in your eyes. But your EYES are not the only thing being exposed to a bright landscape. The entire half of your body which is shadowed from direct sun is lit up by the bright landscape. That light is plenty bright enough to allow a photo to capture the shadowed side of the LEM. Photographers here on earth routinely use white or metallic boards to bounce light into shadows. A lunar landscape lit by the Sun bounces light also.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  The True Nolan
April 10, 2023 2:09 pm

Comparing Earth photography to Moon photography is not a good idea.

No atmosphere. Low reflectivity regolith. Much higher direct sunlight intensity.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 3:31 pm

Oh, look into photography contrast and exposure.

If no stars visible for the reasons given, destroys the “fill light” photo credibility.

The biggest problem with the moon landing? Many of the lies to cover up one thing, make other claims impossible.

It only works on those who lack contrast.

fuck-my-name
fuck-my-name
  The True Nolan
April 10, 2023 3:51 pm

Yes, you would probably be lit by reflected light from the landscape, your human eyes maybe would detect some details in the backlit objects, but a camera, and a film camera at that, would not. That’s because of dynamic range. You either shoot for the highlights (correctly exposed bright object/landscape/parts of the picture which are the brightesstly [pass me he adverb] lit), that way you haven’t overexposed the highlights, you can see details in them, but the shadows (or the unlit parts or parts of the photo lit with reflected light) are completely dark (or nearly). If you shoot for the shadows, you get good visibility in the dark parts of the photo, in this case the astronaut or the LEM (which are all backlit), but the highlights are blown, and you loose all details in the highlights. In photos like the ones on the moon, you wouldn’t see shit in the shadows, because the dynamic range (difference between dark and light parts) is way too high to permit that kind of details in both the highlights and the shadows. The only way to get the kind of pictures we have from the moon is to either have another source of light, or to use HDR (high dynamic range) photography, which didn’t exist back in ’69. →

Shadows and Highlights: The Mark of Excellence

← Great example on this page. See the skateboarding dude in the air. Look at the concrete (correctly exposed in some parts, overexposed directly where the sun hits it) and the skateboarder (backlit, no details whatsoever). The concrete is like the lunar landscape (directly lit by the sun) and the skateboarder is an astronaut (only reflected light hits him). These moon pictures don’t look right when you have done a little bit of manual photography (manual mode. You control aperture, speed, ISO, focus, everything). You have a white astronaut (the suit), lit right in the face with the sun, and you can see details on his ass-end, which would be impossible in this scenario.comment image?format=1000w

Anonymous
Anonymous
  fuck-my-name
April 10, 2023 5:28 pm

Nice example and explanation. Probably totally wasted on many, but still good.

I await the entertaining dismissals of your post.

fuck-my-name
fuck-my-name
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 6:01 pm

Thank you Anonymous. But I feel my explanation isn’t all that great, because I suck as a writer (and English isn’t my native language), but the basic concepts and the terminology is right. People can do a little bit of research and learn about dynamic range and how to choose how to shoot your subject (for the highlights, the shadows or a compromise, when the dynamic range and the subject of your picture permit). And the photos of the moon, on the basis of exposure and dynamic range, is a good place to start investigating, but focus (sharpness) and framing (composition) is another place. Anyone who has done a little bit of “traditional” photography (single-lens reflex, be it argentic or digital) knows that getting good focus and framing is a crap shoot with extremely bad odds when you can’t look into the viewfinder, something the astronauts weren’t able to do… Even if the aperture is nearly shut (say F16, F22 or smaller), focus gets easily out of whack (even with modern auto-focusing DSRL), and framing, well, it’s the artistic part of photography. You need to see what you’re doing to get good composition. They took 1,409 (first landing. all six landings = about 6,000) exposures on the moon, with 1,408 of those being useable images, all that (at least when the guys were in the suit) with a film camera bolted to the chest of the photographer, without any access whatsoever to the viewfinder. I look HARD into my viewfinder, I use autofocus AND manual focus (I take more than one photo of a single scene) on a TRIPOD when what I’m photographing is worthy, and I still get a shit-ton of shit images… Main feature out of focus, unaesthetic composition, etc. Thanks to digital technology, I can be in the field and snap 300 photos in a couple hours, but I still get about only a dozen good ones… But I probably just suck. That’s why candid photographers like Cartier-Bresson are legends. They could use primitive technology, focus and expose on the fly, hand-held camera and all, and get fucking good shots. I wonder how many thousands of pictures Cartier took to get a couple dozen classics… Or maybe he just didn’t suck like me. Anyway, another thing that needs explanation about the moon pictures…

The True Nolan
The True Nolan
  fuck-my-name
April 10, 2023 5:49 pm

Hey fmn, I agree with the general principles you say, but specifics matter, like just HOW bright, and how extensive (in steradians) the background light bounce is.

“These moon pictures don’t look right when you have done a little bit of manual photography (manual mode. You control aperture, speed, ISO, focus, everything).”

Been there, done that, a few decades ago. 35mm, also medium format plate. Did years of film photography in caves with multi-flash, long exposures, and extensive light bounce issues. Have done years of amateur astrophotography (with film, not CCD) all the way from short to long exposures, up to hypersensitizing film with hydrogen gas for extreme ISO values.

I short, while I understand your arguments, I disagree with your conclusions.

fuck-my-name
fuck-my-name
  The True Nolan
April 10, 2023 6:28 pm

The True Nolan, why do you disagree?

I don’t believe you can get a powerful enough bounce from gray dust on the ground to correctly expose the parts of an unlit subject that are in shadows. I could correctly expose the highlights in a photo of the face of backlit human subject, and bounce a powerful flash off of a semi-gloss white gypsum wall 6 feet away from said subject, and I still couldn’t correctly expose the shadows while keeping the highlights in perfect details.

In short, I don’t believe the bounce from a gray dust ground could light up a subject enough to shorten the extreme dynamic range that a photo on the moon entails. But I might by wrong (no sarcasm here, I want as many opinions as possible).

The True Nolan
The True Nolan
  fuck-my-name
April 10, 2023 10:29 pm

Hey fmn, and no sarcasm from me either — because yes, I could be wrong as well. But in the case of a person or a lander sitting on the lunar surface, the shadowed surfaces will be lit by a landscape that goes 180 degrees from left to right, and something close to 90 degrees from downwards to the horizon. That is a LOT of area bouncing back light. Also, during printing from those negatives, the dark areas can be “burned” while printing and the bright areas “dodged” to balance out the exposure.

I have no problem with us disagreeing however…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  The True Nolan
April 11, 2023 10:28 am

I have yet to see anyone from NASA even suggest that the photos were manipulated in any way. I have seen plenty (reactively) claim they were not.

Your theory may be correct, I don’t know, but NASA’s past blanket denials put them in a bind. It would be a case of “were you lying then, or are you lying now?” if they now claimed to have done what you suggest.

Like any government organization, I trust nothing they say to be true. Too many past lies to have any faith in them even having the ability to speak truthfully.

WilliamtheResolute
WilliamtheResolute
April 10, 2023 2:35 pm

The author probably also believes that men can be women. Personally, I believe we’ve been to the moon countless times…but it wasn’t in the fake, flimsy Apollo craft that was used for the dog and pony show.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 10, 2023 2:53 pm

Interstellar- School scene.

anonymous
anonymous
  Anonymous
April 13, 2023 9:31 am

Interstellar….It’s a fictional MOVIE, dude.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anonymous
April 13, 2023 11:57 am

Really? Thanks for clarifying that. /s

Did you really think I posted it as being “reality”? As some sort of proof?

If so, wow…..dude.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 10, 2023 3:06 pm

The one enduring thing I will take away from this thread;

“They don’t know, that they don’t know, that they don’t know”.

Some truly remarkable ignorance on display here.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 10, 2023 3:20 pm

Yeah that cardboard/tin foil project made it to the moon, yeah that’s the ticket.

WilliamtheResolute
WilliamtheResolute
  Anonymous
April 11, 2023 11:33 am

All those who downvote are sheep, history has been rewritten and the Nazi space program hidden…we live among the programed zombies of the end of the age. Peace.

Stucky
Stucky
April 10, 2023 3:46 pm

“So for the record I will say that “Yes, we did go to the moon.””

WELL …. GOD BLESS YOU STEVE C. !!!

I’ve been through these “moon hoax” arguments quite a few times since I’ve been here. So, I ain’t getting sucked into it again. However, a quick scroll through the comments confirmed my worst fears …. the moon-landing deniers are STILL Fully Retarded!”

======

OK, one non-science argument.

The moon landing was a HUGE win for the USA!USA!USA! and quite a loss of face and prestige on the world stage for Russia during this heated Cold War period. If anyone had the incentive to prove it was all a hoax, it would have been RUSSIA!! But, not a peep! Why? Because we landed on the fucken moon!!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
April 10, 2023 3:51 pm

But, not a peep! Why? Because we landed on the fucken moon!!!!

Always entertaining when someone asks a question, then answers it as though it settles the issue and there could be no counter argument.

Luv ya Stuck, but this is just stupid.

Can’t think of even one reason the Russians (allegedly) said nothing? Not one? Really?

Can you even show that the Russians said nothing. Not speculate or guess, but show.

Stucky
Stucky
  Anonymous
April 10, 2023 4:53 pm

“Can you even show that the Russians said nothing.”

What?? WTF? You want me to prove something did NOT happen????

OK. But you first. Pick a day in the last week, month, whatever where you did NOT jerk off. Now prove it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
April 10, 2023 5:12 pm

Cherry picked Stuck. Ignored the rest did you?

Sad effort at trying to turn the tables. Expected better from you.

The bit you ignored speaks volumes about why.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Anonymous
April 11, 2023 7:33 pm

That was funny. The Moon Landing is good for a few laughs too.
Gonna steal that one.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
April 10, 2023 5:54 pm

If anyone had the incentive to prove it was all a hoax, it would have been RUSSIA!! But, not a peep!

Your claim.

WilliamtheResolute
WilliamtheResolute
  Stucky
April 11, 2023 11:34 am

What a pathetic libtard respone…is that you AOC?

Jdog
Jdog
  Stucky
April 11, 2023 10:05 am

No, it did not happen. But like all religion, if it makes you fell better to believe, then go ahead and indulge yourself. Why let something like logic and science influence your “beliefs”.

Dying Sun
Dying Sun
April 10, 2023 4:37 pm

It’s good that my comment is way down the list because I’m probably going to offend quite a few people.

You have people on this website who doubt the moon landing, but they don’t doubt that a man died over two thousand years ago and came back from the dead three days later. They celebrate him every year at Easter. They believe that an ark was built that housed all flora and fauna on Earth to ride out a world-wide flood. They believe that Moses parted the waters and people were immediately able to walk across that previously flooded bottom. They believe that the Earth stopped rotating during the Battle of Jericho; or worse that the sun orbits the Earth. They might even believe that the Earth is some 6000 years old. And they might believe that pi is equal to three because that was inferred in the Bible. I’m sorry, but if you’re going to buy into all of that, then landing on the moon shouldn’t be too big a leap of faith.

I hoping to win the prize for the most down votes today.

Stucky
Stucky
  Dying Sun
April 10, 2023 4:41 pm

You are my hero!

If you ever run for POTUS …. you got my vote!!

flash
flash
  Stucky
April 11, 2023 7:12 am

Et tu, Stucky…smh.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Dying Sun
April 10, 2023 5:04 pm

I hoping to win the prize for the most down votes today.

Should have posted it as Anonymous.

fuck-my-name
fuck-my-name
  Dying Sun
April 10, 2023 5:13 pm

Say that all that bible stuff is bullshit… why should it discredit the fake moon landing stuff? I believe the covid vax is without a doubt dangerous, and those who took it exposed themselves to a big risk and were basically participating in an experiment (when they were told it wasn’t). I also believe that birds don’t exist, and that the ones we see are government drones spying on us. I believe the US gov lied to us about weapons of mass destruction as a reason to invade Iraq, and I also believe that putting a tin-foil hat on my Poodle will prevent 5G waves from controlling it and it ripping my throat in my sleep. Those are 2 sensible claims and 2 crazy ones. Because I believe all 4, does that make the sensible ones false? You’re using one of the classical mainstream media techniques: pool together the crazies (vaxxes are 5G mind controlling substances) with the sensible (vaxxes might be risky, I’mma wait and see before I inject that into my body), and gullible people automatically associate the two, so that the sensible is automatically discredited, without having had the chance to present their case.

Dying Sun
Dying Sun
  fuck-my-name
April 10, 2023 5:45 pm

I was not trying for a logical argument. If you want a convincing argument, consider that in over 50 years, as far as I know, neither the Soviet Union, Communist China, nor the Russian Federation have seriously suggested to the World that the moon landing was a fake. If it was faked, then it would be in the interest of Russia and China to point that out to the World. They would surely have the evidence to support that claim.

fuck-my-name
fuck-my-name
  Dying Sun
April 10, 2023 7:05 pm

But, Dying Sun, about that “Russia and China point[ing] out to the World”, I’d like to do a little whataboutism here. Do you believe in the holocaust? Please explain to me why 2/3 of the World don’t believe in it (or believe the facts are distorted), and why that 2/3 of the World don’t point that out to the “World”. … Methinks the “World” isn’t all that uniform, and that truths in one part of the “World” are falsehoods in others, and these different parts of the “World” never connect[ed] with each other to discuss divergences, especially in an era without widespread communications (like in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s). I’m sure the Muslims have evidence to support their claim that the holocaust is a hoax, but it ain’t in the mainstream, just like the moon-landing hoax evidence hasn’t been in the mainstream since its inception until the advent of the internet (russian or chinese mainstream was, and still is, different than western mainstream). Today, there’s plenty of evidence about the holocaust and the moon landing being fake events. Using “guilt by association” arguments aren’t the way to disprove said hoaxes.

ramAustralia
ramAustralia
  Dying Sun
April 11, 2023 4:03 am

Actually Chinese and Russian Aerospace journals have pointed out the moon landings were fake.

Below is an example of such an article:

Apollo Investigation
Evaluation of Saturn V F-1 Engine Characteristics
by Gennady Ivchenkov, PhD

Did the Saturn V F-1 rocket engines correspond to NASA’s published data? – and were there fundamental design flaws in the F-1 engine?

A Scientific Evaluation

Saturn V
Apollo Saturn V

Extensive analysis of the available data on the Saturn V – and its engines in particular – has revealed that with high probability, NASA’s published characteristics were substantially overstated.

This article focuses on the the F-1 engine used in first stage of the Saturn V. According to the investigation conducted by the Gennady Ivchenkov, PhD, this engine had fundamental design flaws.

This research indicates that these engines could only lift off the pad a modified version of the Saturn V – just 2000 tons instead of the stated 2,800 tons.

For example, the F-1 tubular combustion chamber and nozzle were unable to provide the specified pressure and engine thrust. Furthermore, calculation of heat transfer and the stress applied to tube wall material reveals that:

The tube material (Inconel X-750) was unable to withstand the load applied to the tubes of the cooling jacket;
The tube material had problems with uncontrolled restructuring during thermal impact and with the chemical reaction of sulphur from kerosene RP-1 with nickel;
The tube material had never before been used in high-temperature parts of rocket engines, although it could have been used in the upgraded H-1 (an engine also manufactured by Rocketdyne);
The gas injection for cooling into the supersonic section of the nozzle caused shock waves in the injection area, narrowing the cross section of the supersonic flow and rendering pointless the profiling of the nozzle extension beyond the place of injection;
The F-1 nozzle cited in all NASA documentation appears to differ from the actual design of the nozzle of the F-1 engine located during a Jeff Bezos’ Expedition in 2013. Part of the nozzle can be seen in a photograph of the F-1 found on the ocean floor.

Ocean floor

Consequently, the pressure in the F-1 combustion chamber is likely to have been significantly lower than stated, due to fundamental shortcomings in the tubular cooling system of F-1 engines.

The launch weight of the Apollo Saturn V is found to be considerably lower than stated by NASA and, accordingly, could not ensure the accomplishment of the Apollo Moon program.

All modern rocket engines, without exception, including post-Saturn American engines, use Soviet/Russian technology. ‘Tubular’ American engines have now been dumped into landfill, have ended up in museums, or occasionally fly in old rockets, such as the US Delta II or the Japanese H-1.

Gennady Ivchenkov, PhD

Aulis Online, November 2013

PDF Read the full paper by Gennady Ivchenkov Ph.D here

About the Author

Gennady Ivchenkov graduated from the faculty Power Engineering of the Bauman Moscow State Technical University (Bauman MSTU) in 1974, majoring in Aircraft engines (Rocket Engines Department) (3rd specialization – solid propellant rocket motors; 1st specialization – LRE (liquid rocket engines)).

In 1980 he defended his thesis for the degree of Candidate of Technical Sciences (Ph.D.). The topic of the thesis is a study of combustion in high-speed gas flow. He worked as a researcher at NIIGRAFIT company (research of ablation of carbon-carbon materials), and then as a senior researcher in the department of NIIRP (on the subject of missile defense), then on topics related to the development of HF chemical lasers based on fluorine-hydrogen rocket engines. At the same time he received a second degree at the Faculty of Engineering of the Moscow State Institute of Radio Engineering, Electronics and Automation (MIREA) in specialty Optical Systems. He was teaching as an Associate Professor in the Khimki branch of Moscow Aviation Institute. Since 1994 he has worked in Canada on the development of fiber-optic devices.

Gennady Ivchenkov holds seven US patents (fiber-optic sensors and switches).

See also other related articles:
Did this Saturn V Rocket Get to the Moon?
Was the Apollo 11 Saturn V Seriously Underpowered?

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  Dying Sun
April 11, 2023 7:15 am

Chiney, Russia, nor any other shit-eating Deep Shekel controlled government even declared Central banking or war for resources evil, either…reeeeeeee

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Dying Sun
April 12, 2023 10:10 am

. If it was faked, then it would be in the interest of Russia and China to point that out to the World. They would surely have the evidence to support that claim.

This could be true.
Unless all of the major players agree to the outcome of the story before it is even implemented.
No way could world leaders unite in secret while pretending to be divided in the public eye .
/sarc

flash
flash
  Dying Sun
April 11, 2023 7:11 am

Faith in God, who’s not a proven liar and faith in Uncle Schlomo, who’s record of lies and outright mass murder associated with many of those lies, is apples and oranges, but great sophistry, bruh. You win the prize of being TBP’s smart boy bitch of the month.

Euddolen ap Afallach DA
Euddolen ap Afallach DA
  flash
April 11, 2023 10:19 am

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Jdog
Jdog
  Dying Sun
April 11, 2023 10:07 am

Both issues are based on faith, and not on reality. That is what faith is, believing something that makes such little sense, it cannot be proven or explained logically.

flash
flash
  Jdog
April 11, 2023 2:51 pm

God has neither lied to nor mislead us. Uncle Schlomo has done nothing but… if everyone lived according to the teachings of Christ, it would be a better world .

BTW, If anyone can’t figure out who the dumbest fucks in the room are, ask the atheists to raise their hands…and there you have it.
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Jdog
Jdog
  flash
April 11, 2023 2:59 pm

A dumb fuck by definition is someone who actually believes something that there is no proof exists. Look in a mirror shit for brains. Then go pray to your non existant God that he makes you less of a failure than you are….

flash
flash
  Jdog
April 11, 2023 7:50 pm

There is plenty of proof wigger, you just refuse to look…none so blind …dumb and damned is no way to go through life. Wise up tard, before it’s too late.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  flash
April 12, 2023 8:39 am

God has neither lied to nor mislead us.

Despite several bible passages that claim to document him doing EXACTLY that to man?

Klingon
Klingon
April 10, 2023 4:39 pm

While space is interesting indeed, we have much right here to find answers for first.
Who really built the pyramids , the sphinx , Puma-Punku and Gobekli – Tepe ?
Why are there pyramids all over China ?

Earths real history has very real blank spots.

anonymous
anonymous
  Klingon
April 13, 2023 9:36 am

Yes, brainwashing and propaganda has been used for a very long time…and still works today.
As today’s newsies say: “we tell you what we want you to believe.”
Look around: Covid 19 bs recently. Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine, Russia, Russia, Russia, with Pelosi and Clinton saying together that she lost the presidency due to Russian interference. OY.
It’s all a lie and narrative and anything that exposes the lies gets trashed, vilified, and hidden. And soon forgotten as a fringe idea.

Billy the Kid
Billy the Kid
April 10, 2023 4:56 pm

Flate earth was always retarded in my opinion. That being said, the evidence against the original moon landings is substantial, even if not officially admitted. The radiation belt, lack of proper protection against such potent radiation back then, shitty video evidence, lack of proper propulsion, lack of modern digital computing, lack of modern communications, etc etc.

Sometimes defeating an enemy is more important to a government than the truth, can’t say I blame them for this. The Soviets were a huge threat. I blame them for hurting the Americans they claim to be protecting though.

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