WE WENT TO THE MOON – COUNT ON IT

“…If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about their answers…” — Thomas Pynchon – American novelist

Recently there was an article published here that we never went to the moon. That it was all a hoax. It not only created a lot of comments supportive of it, but it lead to a whole `nother discussion of ‘The flat Earth’ and some people’s support of that.

That was just too much for me. I have remained silent for some time about this moon landing thing, but no more. So for the record I will say that “Yes, we did go to the moon.”

I will describe why I believe that as I take apart the previous article.


First, as to why the Lunar Module doesn’t show a huge contrail when taking off from the moon.

Rocket engine exhaust depends upon at least two things:
1) Fuel type
2) Where is it in its flight path?

As to the first thing, fuel type. If it is fueled by Liquid oxygen and RP-1 which is a highly reformed form or kerosene it will have quite a large exhaust tail when taking off from Earth.

If it has a Hydrazine fuel – based hypergolic propellant, (hypergolic means that they ignite on contact without need of an ignition source. A typical US used hydrazine fuel is Nitrogen tetroxide (N2O4) as an oxidizer and Aerozine 50, which is a 50:50 mix by weight of hydrazine and unsymmetrical dimethyl hydrazine (UDMH)) then the exhaust plume is much smaller and almost clear.

See the photos below of the US Titan I (Liquid Oxygen and RP-1 – Specific Impulse (Isp) = 270-360 seconds) and that of the Titan II (Nitrogen Tetroxide and Aerozine 50 – Specific Impulse (Isp) = 370-465 seconds).

Two Titan I photos.

Titan II photo.

As to the second thing, where it is in its flight path the plume will always be largest at its Earth-bound takeoff spot and will become less as it climbs in altitude. This because the oxygen level at takeoff is higher than it will be as the rocket rises and it is the oxygen in the air we breathe that allows the plume in the first place. The fuel is all burned in the rocket chamber, but the oxygen in the air allows it to breathe a little more creating the plume.
Therefore, when a rockets first stage is complete, its plume is much smaller than it was at takeoff.

As the LEM’s rocket engine at takeoff from the moon, the moon has no atmosphere and thus no oxygen, and since it used the second type of fuel (Hydrazine) it had exactly what you would expect – no exhaust plume.

LEM takeoff photos



As to how they got the Lunar Rover to fit inside of the LEM – it folded. It was built by Boeing to fold and fit inside of one the LEM’s side storage areas. See the photos.

Lunar Rover photos.



As to the hatch on the Lunar Lander (the LEM) being too small for the astronauts to crawl through with their backpacks, take a look at the photos. It looks big enough to me.

LEM Photos



Inside the LEM

LEM diagram photo



The parachutes. There was enough room in the upper command module for three folded parachutes and their cords. What is the problem here?

The LEM’s footprint. Remember that the moons gravity is only one sixth that of Earth so a 10,000-pound LEM would only weigh 1,666 pounds on the moon. Divide that by the four landing legs and that only leaves 417 pounds. That looks OK too.

Remember too that the LEM engine was not firing when it landed on the moon. It cut off a few seconds earlier and it just landed unpowered in the moons weak gravity. That was done purposely to keep the lunar dust to a minimum.

As to who was Neil Armstrong’s camera operator that photo doesn’t really state whether it was a photo of Buzz Aldrin’s deploying or if it was Neil Armstrong climbing back in taken by Buzz.

Why don’t we see stars in space? Actually we do,… at night. Remember that here on Earth we only see the stars at night when it’s dark. They are actually in our daylight sky, but we can’t see them. In space the same holds true, but instead of a blue sky we only see the darkness of space. If we turn down the light of day in space we see stars, like we would on the moon in darkness or if we could shield ourselves from the sun. In the brightness of the day we don’t.

As to who filmed the takeoff that was done by a remote control camera left on a tripod by the astronauts.

And as to the flat Earth thing, I just find it embarrassing that anyone would believe such a thing today so I will leave it alone. A subject best left to its own demise…

Personally, I think that it’s kind of sad that so many people just don’t believe that we did in fact land men on the moon over fifty years ago.

That the technology was lost is no real surprise. After so many people had invested their lives in the project only to be left without a job when it was over must have left them with more than just some regret. There must have been a massive purge of information.

I think that the probability that we faked’ the whole thing is unreasonable. My reason is simple. I believe that with existing technology that it was doable in the 1960’s and it would be a lot safer to do it if possible than to risk faking it unnecessarily.

Besides, our federal agencies were all plenty busy. Just think about everything that they had on their plates at that time: Covering their tracks after killing JFK in broad daylight just a few years earlier. Killing RFK and Martin Luther King just a few years later. Creating a war in Vietnam, escalating tensions in the cold war, in Cuba, toppling duly elected governments worldwide, spying on their fellow Americans, – hey, these guys were busy.

A more likely scenario to the moon landing debate is that this whole question has surfaced out of what are some very clearly touched up’ photos from those moon landings and from NASA’s until very recently steadfast refusal to release the original copies. Did you know that? NASA absolutely refused to release the original photos. It has only just done so and they still aren’t correct.

The truth is that as an arm of the federal government NASA is and always has been just another venue for government propaganda and the promotion of the government line. It is also and always has been a part of the Defense Department’s fantasies and desires, and both the CIA’s and the National Security Agency’s spy satellites are supported by NASA.

Lesser known and seemingly separate is the fact that NASA is also one of the personal playthings of the US government (public) schoolteachers and college professors. Government schoolteachers have a symbiotic relationship with NASA that is not unlike the one they share with professional sports. They all promote and support each other. Not surprisingly, none of them ever met a government program, law, restriction, abuse, or tax that they didn’t embrace and even adore.

What this all adds up to of course is that the information that gets released to the public is only that which serves NASA itself, the supporting federal agencies and all of those promoting them for their own ends – like what passes for the mainstream news media.

With that in mind, if you look at some of the photos that NASA has released of our moon landings objectively you will see some that show the side of the lunar lander that is in shadow. Even though in the dark, the American flag and the words UNITED STATES are always clearly visible as if lit. That is impossible. That is clearly an enhancement of the photos.

It reminds me of those photos that the USSR used to release showing one of their air aces stepping out of his plane immediately after shooting down a half a dozen German Messerschmitt’s in a horrific air battle. The good pilots were often shown not in their flying suites covered with grime, but in full dress uniform, covered with medals and their entire ground crews all cleaned and pressed and smiling for the camera. Remember how we used to laugh at such obviously staged photos?

The NASA lunar landing photos are much the same. I expect that they enhanced them not because we didn’t land on the moon, but just to make sure that the American flag and THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was prominently displayed in every picture. It was simply more propaganda by another federal agency that specializes in it.

The proper questions that we should be asking then regarding the Apollo moon landings are:

“…Why did NASA alter or enhance the photos?…”

“…On whose orders did they do that?…”

The trouble with having those questions asked though is that they might lead to even more dangerous questions such as:

“…If NASA faked or changed some of the lunar landing photos then what else has NASA done and lied about?…”

“…What is NASA doing and lying to us about now?…”

Those of course are questions that the ruling elite simply cannot allow to be asked. That would be to let the toothpaste out of the tube and they know that it’s virtually impossible to get it back inside once released.

NASA is hardly the squeaky clean “civilian” organization that it has always been promoted to the public to be by schoolteachers, the mainstream media, politicians, et al. It’s a lot worse now than it was during the Apollo program, but so is every other federal agency.

In the final analysis, NASA is made up of just another bunch of political hacks that do as they’re told by their masters. Witness the fact that they’ve been involved in promoting the global warming scam up to their collective necks.

As to the scientific expertise that the mainstream media is all pushing ad nauseam that they claim will be lost forever if the taxpayer isn’t sufficiently robbed to pay for their new dig-a-hole-and-fill-it-in NASA job-works-programs:

“…One could not be a successful scientist without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of scientists, a goodly number of scientists are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid…” ~ J.D. Watson – The Double Helix

Personally, I like to call them “The Flying Post Office.”

For truth and honesty, there’s no point in looking to NASA. You won’t find it there.

That’s both the answer and the question that they don’t want us to know…

The truth is that whatever anyone believes doesn’t really affect me at all. If you choose to believe that we didn’t put a man on the moon that is your right. However, please do so knowing all the facts. As I am within my right to believe that we did.

“…When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong…” — Arthur C. Clarke’s First Law

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Scott halloween
Scott halloween
April 13, 2023 1:17 pm

We know for a fact,
Government lies.
They lie big, they lie small,
They lie to their enemies, they lie to their friends,
The lie in great big continuous strings of lies piled on top of lies.
They lie even when they don’t have to..
Some are slick with their lies, some are blunt and clumsy,
Some are terrible and even fools can’t abide their words.
They are relentless liars.
It’s their job,
And we pay them to lie.
So,
Why is this one,
this impossible event,
the unimpeachable truth?
Your pal
Scott.

fuck-my-name
fuck-my-name
April 12, 2023 6:41 pm

Just want to say something to Steve C. → You took time to write a long article to prove your point. Some disagree (gentlemanly) and some disagree (like assholes), and then some agree (always gentlemanly, because saying “you’re right, motherfucker” just doesn’t happen). I don’t agree with your point of view concerning the moon landing, I commented earlier, and I didn’t call you names while doing so, and I always give the other side the benefit of the doubt, because you know what? I might be fucking wrong, and you fucking right (humility. it’s a virtue. it’s in the bible). In the end it doesn’t matter, we have a discussion and (most) everybody learn stuff, and it’s fun and edificating. All those ungentlemen you can ignore, and not let them prevent you from commenting and submitting articles. This article here, that you wrote, is HIGHLY popular. Maybe Admin could tell us if it’s one of the most popular of all time or not (I’m curious). If you had refrained from submitting it, you would have deprived a lot of people from good entertainment and good infos. Thank you Steve.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  fuck-my-name
April 12, 2023 6:50 pm

“Be excellent to each other”. – A Bill And Ted ‘ism.

I love this place, even including those I find mentally repugnant. Thanks to Admin, Jim and all responsible for the existence of it.

If I appear an asshole, please accept I am trying to inform. Thanks.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Anonymous
April 12, 2023 9:07 pm

It would help if you had a name.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
April 12, 2023 9:46 pm

Moon landing argument sketch:

Long Time Lurker
Long Time Lurker
April 12, 2023 9:48 pm

Oy vey. (((He knew))).

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
April 12, 2023 10:16 pm

Of course we went to the moon. Hey, Dick Tracy had “Moon Maid”. Rocky & Bullwinkle had Cloyd & Gibney(?), the two moon men.

And we get our weekly green cheese delivery via NASA every Wednesday. It’s succulent.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 13, 2023 7:27 am

What about all the photos obviously altered in terms of the grid pattern used? If its real theres no need to fake or alter anything. And all the evidence for your case could have been done in the desert or in a sound studio. How did they survive the van allen radiation belt? Why cant we get back? Why is so much footage from the space station fake?

Mr Anon
Mr Anon
April 13, 2023 10:55 am

So please explain to us how they got through the Van Allen Belt two times on each trip? Game, set, match. You have been played.

Chester
Chester
  Mr Anon
April 13, 2023 2:56 pm

Just Google it and save all of us some time.

Sieve
Sieve
April 13, 2023 3:57 pm

look into the testing of rocket propulsion in a “vaccum”…there was never any such testing…nasa may have created its first vaccum chamber after the apollo moon landings, and even then, they never tested suits, metals such as the thin skinned lem “outer skins” against their purported 10-11 torr vaccums, etc…and the flat-earth people are correct—physical “earth” science is clear – that you cannot have a vaccum environment next to a closed pressurized environment(where we live in about 15psi pressure) without gases escaping toward the vaccum…so, flat-earthers have concluded, and i agree, that we have some strong cover (firmament/vault) over above us…if physical science is true, we live in a closed/sealed environment…

ruffhouse
ruffhouse
April 13, 2023 4:37 pm

So, when are we going back?