“…If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about their answers…” — Thomas Pynchon – American novelist
Recently there was an article published here that we never went to the moon. That it was all a hoax. It not only created a lot of comments supportive of it, but it lead to a whole `nother discussion of ‘The flat Earth’ and some people’s support of that.
That was just too much for me. I have remained silent for some time about this moon landing thing, but no more. So for the record I will say that “Yes, we did go to the moon.”
I will describe why I believe that as I take apart the previous article.
First, as to why the Lunar Module doesn’t show a huge contrail when taking off from the moon.
Rocket engine exhaust depends upon at least two things:
1) Fuel type
2) Where is it in its flight path?
As to the first thing, fuel type. If it is fueled by Liquid oxygen and RP-1 which is a highly reformed form or kerosene it will have quite a large exhaust tail when taking off from Earth.
If it has a Hydrazine fuel – based hypergolic propellant, (hypergolic means that they ignite on contact without need of an ignition source. A typical US used hydrazine fuel is Nitrogen tetroxide (N2O4) as an oxidizer and Aerozine 50, which is a 50:50 mix by weight of hydrazine and unsymmetrical dimethyl hydrazine (UDMH)) then the exhaust plume is much smaller and almost clear.
See the photos below of the US Titan I (Liquid Oxygen and RP-1 – Specific Impulse (Isp) = 270-360 seconds) and that of the Titan II (Nitrogen Tetroxide and Aerozine 50 – Specific Impulse (Isp) = 370-465 seconds).
Two Titan I photos.
Titan II photo.
As to the second thing, where it is in its flight path the plume will always be largest at its Earth-bound takeoff spot and will become less as it climbs in altitude. This because the oxygen level at takeoff is higher than it will be as the rocket rises and it is the oxygen in the air we breathe that allows the plume in the first place. The fuel is all burned in the rocket chamber, but the oxygen in the air allows it to breathe a little more creating the plume.
Therefore, when a rockets first stage is complete, its plume is much smaller than it was at takeoff.
As the LEM’s rocket engine at takeoff from the moon, the moon has no atmosphere and thus no oxygen, and since it used the second type of fuel (Hydrazine) it had exactly what you would expect – no exhaust plume.
LEM takeoff photos
As to how they got the Lunar Rover to fit inside of the LEM – it folded. It was built by Boeing to fold and fit inside of one the LEM’s side storage areas. See the photos.
Lunar Rover photos.
As to the hatch on the Lunar Lander (the LEM) being too small for the astronauts to crawl through with their backpacks, take a look at the photos. It looks big enough to me.
LEM Photos
Inside the LEM
LEM diagram photo
The parachutes. There was enough room in the upper command module for three folded parachutes and their cords. What is the problem here?
The LEM’s footprint. Remember that the moons gravity is only one sixth that of Earth so a 10,000-pound LEM would only weigh 1,666 pounds on the moon. Divide that by the four landing legs and that only leaves 417 pounds. That looks OK too.
Remember too that the LEM engine was not firing when it landed on the moon. It cut off a few seconds earlier and it just landed unpowered in the moons weak gravity. That was done purposely to keep the lunar dust to a minimum.
As to who was Neil Armstrong’s camera operator that photo doesn’t really state whether it was a photo of Buzz Aldrin’s deploying or if it was Neil Armstrong climbing back in taken by Buzz.
Why don’t we see stars in space? Actually we do,… at night. Remember that here on Earth we only see the stars at night when it’s dark. They are actually in our daylight sky, but we can’t see them. In space the same holds true, but instead of a blue sky we only see the darkness of space. If we turn down the light of day in space we see stars, like we would on the moon in darkness or if we could shield ourselves from the sun. In the brightness of the day we don’t.
As to who filmed the takeoff that was done by a remote control camera left on a tripod by the astronauts.
And as to the flat Earth thing, I just find it embarrassing that anyone would believe such a thing today so I will leave it alone. A subject best left to its own demise…
Personally, I think that it’s kind of sad that so many people just don’t believe that we did in fact land men on the moon over fifty years ago.
That the technology was lost is no real surprise. After so many people had invested their lives in the project only to be left without a job when it was over must have left them with more than just some regret. There must have been a massive purge of information.
I think that the probability that we faked’ the whole thing is unreasonable. My reason is simple. I believe that with existing technology that it was doable in the 1960’s and it would be a lot safer to do it if possible than to risk faking it unnecessarily.
Besides, our federal agencies were all plenty busy. Just think about everything that they had on their plates at that time: Covering their tracks after killing JFK in broad daylight just a few years earlier. Killing RFK and Martin Luther King just a few years later. Creating a war in Vietnam, escalating tensions in the cold war, in Cuba, toppling duly elected governments worldwide, spying on their fellow Americans, – hey, these guys were busy.
A more likely scenario to the moon landing debate is that this whole question has surfaced out of what are some very clearly touched up’ photos from those moon landings and from NASA’s until very recently steadfast refusal to release the original copies. Did you know that? NASA absolutely refused to release the original photos. It has only just done so and they still aren’t correct.
The truth is that as an arm of the federal government NASA is and always has been just another venue for government propaganda and the promotion of the government line. It is also and always has been a part of the Defense Department’s fantasies and desires, and both the CIA’s and the National Security Agency’s spy satellites are supported by NASA.
Lesser known and seemingly separate is the fact that NASA is also one of the personal playthings of the US government (public) schoolteachers and college professors. Government schoolteachers have a symbiotic relationship with NASA that is not unlike the one they share with professional sports. They all promote and support each other. Not surprisingly, none of them ever met a government program, law, restriction, abuse, or tax that they didn’t embrace and even adore.
What this all adds up to of course is that the information that gets released to the public is only that which serves NASA itself, the supporting federal agencies and all of those promoting them for their own ends – like what passes for the mainstream news media.
With that in mind, if you look at some of the photos that NASA has released of our moon landings objectively you will see some that show the side of the lunar lander that is in shadow. Even though in the dark, the American flag and the words UNITED STATES are always clearly visible as if lit. That is impossible. That is clearly an enhancement of the photos.
It reminds me of those photos that the USSR used to release showing one of their air aces stepping out of his plane immediately after shooting down a half a dozen German Messerschmitt’s in a horrific air battle. The good pilots were often shown not in their flying suites covered with grime, but in full dress uniform, covered with medals and their entire ground crews all cleaned and pressed and smiling for the camera. Remember how we used to laugh at such obviously staged photos?
The NASA lunar landing photos are much the same. I expect that they enhanced them not because we didn’t land on the moon, but just to make sure that the American flag and THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was prominently displayed in every picture. It was simply more propaganda by another federal agency that specializes in it.
The proper questions that we should be asking then regarding the Apollo moon landings are:
“…Why did NASA alter or enhance the photos?…”
“…On whose orders did they do that?…”
The trouble with having those questions asked though is that they might lead to even more dangerous questions such as:
“…If NASA faked or changed some of the lunar landing photos then what else has NASA done and lied about?…”
“…What is NASA doing and lying to us about now?…”
Those of course are questions that the ruling elite simply cannot allow to be asked. That would be to let the toothpaste out of the tube and they know that it’s virtually impossible to get it back inside once released.
NASA is hardly the squeaky clean “civilian” organization that it has always been promoted to the public to be by schoolteachers, the mainstream media, politicians, et al. It’s a lot worse now than it was during the Apollo program, but so is every other federal agency.
In the final analysis, NASA is made up of just another bunch of political hacks that do as they’re told by their masters. Witness the fact that they’ve been involved in promoting the global warming scam up to their collective necks.
As to the scientific expertise that the mainstream media is all pushing ad nauseam that they claim will be lost forever if the taxpayer isn’t sufficiently robbed to pay for their new dig-a-hole-and-fill-it-in NASA job-works-programs:
“…One could not be a successful scientist without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of scientists, a goodly number of scientists are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid…” ~ J.D. Watson – The Double Helix
Personally, I like to call them “The Flying Post Office.”
For truth and honesty, there’s no point in looking to NASA. You won’t find it there.
That’s both the answer and the question that they don’t want us to know…
The truth is that whatever anyone believes doesn’t really affect me at all. If you choose to believe that we didn’t put a man on the moon that is your right. However, please do so knowing all the facts. As I am within my right to believe that we did.
“…When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong…” — Arthur C. Clarke’s First Law
We know for a fact,
Government lies.
They lie big, they lie small,
They lie to their enemies, they lie to their friends,
The lie in great big continuous strings of lies piled on top of lies.
They lie even when they don’t have to..
Some are slick with their lies, some are blunt and clumsy,
Some are terrible and even fools can’t abide their words.
They are relentless liars.
It’s their job,
And we pay them to lie.
So,
Why is this one,
this impossible event,
the unimpeachable truth?
Your pal
Scott.
Actually, I think you are wrong about me wanting to make this what you call “…the unimpeachable truth…”.
In fact, I think that anyone who thinks that there is no room on this planet for any opinion other than theirs is wrong.
Anonymous seems to have it pretty bad.
Did you not read my article?
I ended it with:
I’ve always believed the US landed men on the moon. I think we’re all pretty jaded from the shenanigans over the last several years, primed to reject anything the government tells us. They lie all the time about everything. Whether it was as bad in the sixties I can’t say. I went down the rabbit hole over 9/11. Once I knew the government lied about everything having to do with that disaster, I started doubting everything they told me, and I–we here at TBP–have been right to doubt. We’re proven right on pretty much everything once the truth trickles out.
But I refuse to entertain doubts about the moon landing, maybe because I need to believe that mankind is capable of anything; capable of overcoming the calamities TPTB have subjected us to. Like much of the public concerning 9/11, I don’t want to believe the moon landings were a hoax.
The people who comment here on TBP are very sharp for the most part–I read the readers’ comments here (and only here) because I enjoy them and can learn from them. I will say, however, that IMO many here are dogmatic. Many have their beliefs and won’t even consider arguments or evidence to the contrary; some even resort to ad hominem, just like the leftists we love to hate. Try making a comment on GMOs contrary to the accepted narrative here and watch the abuse pile up. I spent weeks looking into GMOs for something I wrote a decade ago. Virtually all the research came to the opposite conclusion of what is believed here; that they’re safe for humans and the environment and invaluable for feeding a hungry world. All the major scientific organizations that’ve studied the topic drew this conclusion. True, covid has shown many of these organizations are untrustworthy, but does that mean we reject every conclusion they draw about every topic? As I mentioned, TBP followers are smart and generally correct about the major issues facing mankind, but that makes us cocksure, as if we’re never wrong. It’s not the case, of course.
You had it right at ‘They lie all the time about everything.’
From 2015; perhaps issued after your project.
No scientific consensus on GMO safety
A broad community of independent scientific researchers and scholars challenges recent claims of a consensus over the safety of genetically modified organisms (GMOs). In the following joint statement, the claimed consensus is shown to be an artificial construct that has been falsely perpetuated through diverse fora. Irrespective of contradictory evidence in the refereed literature, as documented below, the claim that there is now a consensus on the safety of GMOs continues to be widely and often uncritically aired…
Published results are contradictory, in part due to the range of different research methods employed, an inadequacy of available procedures, and differences in the analysis and interpretation of data…
Rigorous assessment of GMO safety has been hampered by the lack of funding independent of proprietary interests. Research for the public good has been further constrained by property rights issues, and by denial of access to research material for researchers unwilling to sign contractual agreements with the developers, which confer unacceptable control over publication to the proprietary interests.
The joint statement developed and signed by over 300 independent researchers, and reproduced and published below, does not assert that GMOs are unsafe or safe. Rather, the statement concludes that the scarcity and contradictory nature of the scientific evidence published to date prevents conclusive claims of safety, or of lack of safety, of GMOs. Claims of consensus on the safety of GMOs are not supported by an objective analysis of the refereed literature.
https://enveurope.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s12302-014-0034-1
Do you really think we went to the moon with a slide rule and the computing power of a Commadore 64?
How were the pyramids built? They did’nt have a slide rule or a Commador 64, but there they are. How about Stonehenge? Or Easter Island? Or the pyramids in Central America. Or the Parthanon? The Empire State building was built before computers, how? Nuclear bomds were created without computers, how? How was anything in the world ever built before computers? How were the seas navigated before computers?Computers, computers, computers. Technology will be the downfall of mankind.
Well, actually nuclear bombs were created with computers, but otherwise you have it right. The Boeing 747 was largely designed using slide rules with only a bit of computing applied on some critical pieces (Finite Element Analysis) essentially after the aircraft was designed.
The classic vacuum tube (valve) audio devices of the 1950’s and 1960’s was all designed on sliderules. Likewise the original TVs, black and white, and later color. Don’t underestimate the power of a sliderule in the hands of a skilled engineer.
…but i think i was ONLY 10 or 11.
” Don’t underestimate the power of a sliderule in the hands of a skilled engineer.”
https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-the-slide-rule-1992408
The clergyman cited for the actual device?
Fascinating in His own right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Oughtred
Sooo grateful for the stuff stumbled upon here, @ TBP.
Thank You Admin!
It has been suggested elsewhere, that “nuclear bombs” were created with cameras and film techniques developed at Lookout Mountain Air Station from 1947 to 1969.
We don’t even know who built the pyramids. The Egyptians definitely claimed to, but then again, the pharaohs claimed godhood often as well. I am leaning towards they were already there before the Egyptians.
Yes.
Bob P,
Stealing a line from “Jerry Maguire”…
“You had me at “(((they))) lie all the time about everything “”.
The US FEDGOV has always lied, about everything… because ALL governments lie, but ours does it the best…
But figuring out the truth within the lies, and what is a baldface lie, or what is mostly true, with some little white lies mixed in??? Truly a valuable skill…
Ask the question, “Qui Bono??”
Well that, can be traced way back, to probably at least in the US, to shortly before the Civil War, then move to 1913’s (((Federal Reserve Act))), WWI and II, and the (s) election of all US Presidents, starting at least since FDR.
This problem will most likely only only be solved thru the judicial application of violence , as necessary, and probably to excess, before it’s all settled.
It’s sure to become a shitshow,
and then a shitstorm,
Before it becomes a diarrhea hurricane.
Get ready, y’all, the real party hasn’t even started yet….
Bob P –
So what’s your take on 9/11? The whole thing to me smells/smelled fishy. Have done some research but haven’t “gone down the rabbit hole” as you say so you certainly know more than me.
Would love to hear your opinions.
Thank you in advance!!!
The best intro to the 9/11 hoax by far, IMO, is this 5-hour documentary. Easy to understand at 2 x speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwD-laAB8Vs
There’s tons of stuff, but to keep it simple, Just lookup Building 7.
A poisoned well is safe to drink? No. Then A lieing governments scientists are not safe to believe either, nor the corporations .
1) Steve C. Is right, and I thank him for this essay.
2) the comments exemplify why I don’t comment much anymore. That a high percentage of those around here are so stupid as to think we didn’t go to the moon transitions to most other topics. Facts, data, science are all second to narrative. It is a damn shame. Used to be TBP was a place where facts ruled. Now it is narrative above all else for a great many.
the comments exemplify why I don’t comment much anymore. That a high percentage of those around here are so stupid…
Not my favorite person, but have to agree with you here, stupidity everywhere, even down under, amirite?
Say, who do you think we should vote for in 2024?
Isn’t it time that a female Hindi with immigrant roots become Sock Puppet In Chief? Weez gots to catch up with jolly ole England.
Doesn’t matter. We’re screwed either way. I’s been over for quite some time. I myself have lost ALL faith in this country. Just my opinion.
Oh my AA, you can’t believe that voting matters anymore do you?
Thanks Llpoh, that’s nice of you to say.
And that’s also why I don’t comment or submit articles much any more…
Not to delve too deeply into the metaphysical but doesn’t it seem we’re living in a sort of ‘Goldilocks Reality’ wherein there’s just the right amount of evidence to support both sides of the argument?
Quantum reality, I call what you just described the Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle. 🙂
????
Yeah, because it will all go down in flames!
Thanks for taking the time to write that up. I believe we went to the moon, but lied about what we found there. There are a lot of middle positions to take between “we went and everything is true”, vs. “we didn’t go and nothing is true”. I agree that often online discussions can veer sideways into the ridiculous, and chalk it up to a human tendency of seeking absolutes.
Well, Steve and Poh just called a bunch of people idiots. I didn’t get involved in this melee because it’s just not worth my time. I just wonder how all the people who disagree feel about being called idiots. I guess you really smart guys should just go somewhere else where the smart people are. I’m thinking that place doesn’t exist. Probably no one is as smart as the two of you are.
I don’t give a shit how they feel. You can jam your advice.
Mary Christine,
You seem like a decent person so I will answer you.
You write that Lipoh said that a bunch of people here are idiots and that I agreed with him.
Here are some of the things that people wrote about me:
Motley wrote:
“Just wondering Steve-O … how many jabs did you take?”
Finius wrote:
“Be sure to get another booster shot and donate to democracy in Ukraine.”
The original f’kin cynic wrote:
“Hmmm… any idea if the author can confirm if the moon is made of green cheese… or not?
Tia”
WilliamtheResolute wrote:
“The author probably also believes that men can be women.”
Uturn wrote:
“Steve is full of shit. Only a moron still believes we sent people to the moon or outer space.”
And
“Steve is full of shit just like NASA- and you muppets that stull believe anything the government tells you deserve to get what’s coming good and hard.”
Anonymous wrote:
“Maybe your next article that you post will be one where you try to convince us that Oswald killed Kennedy.”
Absolutely none of which corresponds to what I wrote in my article or any of my comments.
Mark, who I like, wrote:
“The maff was between Steve (who I know and like as I too will put up fearless opinions)”
And then he put up his own views. So did ramAustralia.
Why didn’t the others?
Why not keep to the subject instead of responding negatively only to the presenter?
Why didn’t you?
Anonymous also wrote:
“And still not a shred of evidence presented. Not hard to figure why.
IT’S A LIE. Fucking dishonourable.
Steve C. made a similar claim “The shielding was sufficient to protect the crew.” with absolutely fuck all to back it. And still has not provided anything to back this BS assertion.
@Steve C. & YourAverageJoe
Why claim something when clearly you don’t know shit about it? What is the point? What do you gain? A feeling of being ‘smart’? For lying?
I am genuinely interested in why you would do this.”
I only answered this one. I usually don’t respond to anyone who hides behind the name of anonymous. Regardless of what they think. They are just not that important.
Do you see now why Lipoh called them, as you said, idiots and I agreed with him?
Steve, I don’t know how many of my essays you have read but when you write one like this that will draw tons of comments you are always going to get comments like those. It comes with the territory. I think it’s entertaining if nothing else. I wrote one a few years ago (2018 I think) about Trump and got a lot of flack for it. But it also drew 500 or so comments. It doesn’t stop me from contributing an essay when I feel I have something worth sharing.
You have been here a long time and so has Poh. When people leave or stop contributing because they believe the comments are stupid, what do you think is going to happen? Do you think it makes TBP a better or worse place? I’m not sure how you feel about the Admins that run this place but I care what happens here because they are true to their intent to keep it open to all kinds of views. Stupid, or otherwise, and that’s worth fighting for.
So I guess I am asking not just you but anyone who feels the same to please stick around and make it better because leaving or not commenting does not make it better. It makes it worse.
Maybe I should have said that in the first place but I was short on time and just did a drive-by pithy (and maybe a little sarcastic, ok a lot sarcastic) comment. I apologize for that. That apology applies to Poh, too. I had an appointment and I couldn’t edit it after having second thoughts.
Lol, I’m still editing this reply😁
WTF? I rarely if every ask why a DV because they never explain. I’m asking this time. Steve asked me and I responded. Because I apologized for a unnecessarily sarcastic remark? Whatever…I should have not bothered
I can tip my hat to that…
You post “WE WENT TO THE MOON – COUNT ON IT”.
That right there was arrogant.
You then make unsubstantiated and unbacked ridiculous claims as though you KNOW.
What did you expect?
As for you and Lipoh calling people idiots? Glass houses and all.
Steve brings the receipts and makes copies!
Steve…
Stevoooo
The Stevenator…
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I admire the sheer balls of the article contributors here, including you Steve.
So many well thought out cogent arguments presented to what amounts to a mixed-bag audience of personality types.
From those who agree, to those who don’t.
And then of course, the twisting and turning of the comment thread,which to me is sometimes akin to a roller coaster of intelligent verbage married to the braggadocio of ignorance,
The comments can impress upon the reader, a soaring plateau of happiness, and hopes for the future.
Or deep fear, dread and despair.
I have learned things here.
For this? I say
Thank You Stevo!
That’s a mistake and that’s coming from someone who doesn’t agree with your premise.
As steel sharpens steel and all that jazz.
Except RFKJr makes me realize alot aren’t examining their programming. It’s pretty weird that about 50% of the comments are for him.
We have been trying to rethink everything but it goes deep.
I’d say the same re Trump.
Ditto. I gotta admit those narratives can be quite entertaining on occasion – even cucky stucky the unlucky makes sense once in a (great) while – but aren’t usually worth a comment.
Don’t comment if you know nothing about the subject…
Always good advice. But then you would never ever get to post anything, so I guess we should not ask the Admin to implement that rule. But hey, here is an idea – start your own site, and you can implement that idea.
Llpoh – hmm, that was a tad nasty, what brought that on?
Don’t comment if you know nothing about the subject…
[In robot voice]
“MESSAGE RECEIVED PYRRIC UNIT.
UNIT EAA WILL PROCEED TO POST COMMENTS ABOUT NOTHING IN GREAT QUANTITIES.”
Take your own advice.
Much like Llpoh I am not one to shrink from a fight or shit-stirring. Having been here for years I am disappointed by the lowest common denominator viewpoint that is dominant here……..Everything is a lie, nothing we do will have an impact, the Jews and other unnamed are responsible but all those that complain here are not willing to do anything beyond complaining…….Trump is a traitor because he failed and/or he is on it…….Everything is controlled and anybody opposing the US is anointed……and oh yeah the earth is flat and we never went to the moon…..The problem for me is that just like in Lord of the Flies…..one tribe of tyrants is replaced by another……Is Archaeopteryx any less authoritarian than AOC in demanding 100% congruency with his idiotic Nazi fantasies? Nope…..just another wanna-be Mugabe in training that I wouldn’t trust to flip burgers or run a carwash. The thing that is most annoying to me is the feigned knowledge….as if the louder one proclaims it is the DS the more true it is……..nope……Like Alex Jones found out…..Not everything is a false flag….sometimes it’s just incompetence.
I don’t even disagree with 50% of the batshite stuff the new “Crew” says……Jews suck, the DS is real etc. but the monolithic slavish kneejerk doctrinal genuflecting makes me nauseous. So I am much less engaged because ultimately it’s just boring…….I know what the Crew will say….I never learn anything from the discussion so I spend more time elsewhere.
So says the guy that took a cheap jab at me recently calling me a 300 lb something or the other with a small dorkus because he disagreed with something I said.
As the saying goes, opinions are like assholes…
Happy to continue to point out your shortcomings. I am not saying be nice, I am saying think a little bit and stop being a drone…….It’s pathetic.
24 hours later AP has 31 UV vs 0DV. Llpoh has 23UV vs 42DV.
Llpoh:
As Hardscrabble has pointed out many times “facts” the U.S. guv has insisted are true facts have been proven to be false. Not to mention the actual “fact” that government agencies and contractors mostly fail when tasked with delivering systems and hardware such as (checks notes) fighter jets and warships. But sure they got that one thing right the first time and a couple subsequent times and then forgot everything they ever knew about it.
Tell that to the crew of the Gemini mission that burned to death on the launchpad…..I guess that didn’t happen either, right?
“Tell that to the crew of the Gemini mission that burned to death on the launchpad”
Many, Many, more. But of course you are too smart for all the malarkey.
Not a single cogent fact is presented to support the notion that it was anything but a bad design poorly executed in a developing space program.
You may be right. Just copied/pasted the 1st one i ran across that looked semi-legit @ 1st blush. Spent some time previously, else woulda knot wasted MY time posting it.
TONS ‘Related’.
“Why but one” You may ask?
Lifelong victim of FREE! Association.
Sidetracked looking up Your screen name. Many Paths, and ran outta time. May look next mention, ‘You’.
FINALLY learned to create INDIVIDUAL text edit documents where i can TRY to separate the wheat/chaff BEFORE filing them for future reference, gain consensus.
@ least for myself.
Fairly effective. Plenty of ‘Cross Platform Compatibility’. Too.
They were murdered for not wanting to go along with the grift.
An explanation that you should appreciate for how or why NASA was able to be so effective back in those days is because it was a newly minted agency that had to hire engineers from the private sector to get it started , And then of course over time it evolved into the pathetic and wasteful govt bureaucracy that it now is . .
Llpoh, Most of the time, when you do post, you sound like a drunk and angry sailor in a wife beater shirt dropping f bombs on the OP because you call BS on what they had to say, rarely offering a cogent, quantifiable response. You and Martel out to go share a bottle somewhere and rant to your hearts content.
I have earned my stripes here, for good or bad, depending on point of view. But earn them I have. Just what the fuck have you ever added to the site? Not a damn thing is the answer to that rhetorical question.
A reasonable assessment of you.
That’s the point. Be an acerbic militant fuckwit with contrary opinions or just stir the shit….but do it in a way that makes us think and pause to reevaluate. The Nazi crew of wannabes are mind calcifying boring with the same kneejerk canned responses and their insufferable echo chamber of simpering sycophants parroting the leaders. Brewer has never added a single meaningful thought to any thread I am familiar with. Do better numbnutz.
Not your fan, but excellent prose!
Except the Brewer jab. Seen at least one good post under that name.
Brewer and I are having a moment. Hopefully, he will rise to the occasion with something worth reading otherwise the text beatings will continue until his fingers produce something interesting.
That a high percentage of those around here are so stupid as to think we didn’t go to the moon…
While I will always respect your opinions in certain areas, this one comment goes to the core of why you have such difficulty convincing people of your point. Stupid was not the correct word choice and you had to know it when you began to type it out.
Facts do in fact rule for many of us on both sides of this issue, what is called into question is the origin and reliability of said facts.
I’m sorry you don’t comment more often and personally I think we all suffer to some degree for your lack of participation.
That’s all.
I hate the Communists (USSR, PRC et. al) even MoaR. They went along with the hoax, as have the Ayatollahs of Iran, and Putin. Fck them All! ;0
I think you misspelled (((communist)))…
FIFY.
I hate communists.
I’ve never tried them.
Are they considered “continental cuisine”?
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“If you want to join the PFJ,
You’d have to really hate the Romans.”
Nope. I just looked out the window. Still flat. It’ll stay flat until I say it’s not.
Funny how the first stage Saturn V engines (the F1 engines) that had the largest CLAIMED specific impulse (figure of merit for rocket engines) never were made again (and the plans were “lost”). Presently, until demonstrated otherwise, the Russians and Chinese make the world’s most powerful rockets.
The space shuttle with auxiliary fuel in the cargo bay was more than capable enough of doing a trip to orbit the moon and return. Ever wonder if that was perhaps tried? Wonder what may have gone wrong? The spacecraft was capable of the trip, but was the crew?
I don’t think the American scientists achieved anything they really wanted with their “moon” missions. The first sample collections may have achieved something but we’ll have to wait for Russian and Chinese mining missions before anybody is going to say what it is.
Some of the moon rocks brought back have proven to be fake…
The ones brought back from Antarctica aren’t. The rest?
I remember seeing the Apollo “moon rocks” stored in plastic garbage bags in an ordinary locked office at NASA Clearlake TX (now Johnson Space Center). I also note that real moon rock/soil samples brought back by unmanned probes had security surrounding them greater than that used to guard the Hope Diamond.
I worked for NASA (and other government agencies) for many years with the highest levels of access. I have NEVER seen any convincing evidence of a successful manned moon landing (e.g. getting the men back alive) by the USA or anybody else.
So — let’s look through the other end of the scope … have you ever seen any convincing evidence disproving of a successful landing on the moon and back?
Yes. But for the most part I can’t discuss it. See my other posts below.
They want us to believe they landed on the moon in 1969 and took off again several times without a hitch. Yet 30 years later with technology light years ahead of where it was then, and computers that are capable of doing calculations thousands of times faster, the best we can do on mars is a controlled crash landing with gigantic baloons to cushion the crash….
The Mars rovers lasted years beyond their projected lifespan and traversed much farther than planned across the Martian landscape.
So you are wrong about that.
There is a good Netflix documentary about them.
If they are actually on Mars, yes.
No proof, but some pretty compelling evidence that they are on an island in the high north of Canada.
Sooooo many lies, so the truth gets buried.
See above. get a clue.
Excuse me?
About what?
I guess you have some sort of comprehension problem. I am wrong about nothing. Watch a video of the mars landing, it was a crash landing, not a controled landing.
that’s because they ran on trajectory, and didnt have enough fuel to do a controlled landing.
I could say the same, but… would it be true? How would anyone know?
It is a great pity that when the Cold War ended in the late 1980’s – early 1990’s and international cooperation among many of the world’s armed forces and scientific communities was relatively high, that the military industrial complex wasn’t redirected from murder but toward space exploration and space defense. It almost happened, but the usual crew of banksters hijacked efforts with Gulf War I. Also the earlier fakery of NASA and the USSR some political figures still wanted covered up.
The lies and insanity will have to end, one way or another.
The MIC was redirected to outer space, both during the cold war and after, but not in the way you think.
Why do you think we are $32 trillion in debt???
Much of the technology that’s seen in many science fiction movies is available and used, but is not advertised or in widespread usage.
Ask yourself…
1. Who made us?
2. Why were we made?
3. What is our purpose?
4. Where are we going?
The rabbit hole is deep, and the truth is sobering.
Good Luck y’all.
I’ll bite:
So then:
1. Who made us?
2. Why were we made?
3. What is our purpose?
4. Where are we going?
What sayest thou?
I had my doubts at the time as a child. Too many of my friends fathers worked on the “Lander” so rumors were rife that things were going to be faked. When I took my first university mechanics course in my early teens the professor had us use the Beer and Johnson text. The exercises in that text, if you work them out, definitively prove the moon landings were faked. Ironically often in graduate school I worked under NASA contracts. Now, I’m a well known professional member of SMPTE and the ASSG. You need fakery, we can fake anything!
…when the rest of the world finally decides to reject the dollar and we have to ‘relearn’ how to manufacture stuff in this country you will begin to understand how we ‘lost’ the technology for lunar travel. Look at the current generation, how many of them can turn a wrench or simply add numbers in their head and you think they will eagerly walk into a factory and do complex manual labor?
Also, consider how big the defense industrial complex is now and is it really worth a damn for them to dust off 50 year old tech at pennies on the dollar when they can refine and redesign using the latest smart tech and charge dot.gov billions for the effort? (Anyone ever watched the movie about the Bradley)
There is no way the United States will remain “united” after the dollar goes to its intrinsic value, i.e. zero.
untied it shall be.
United, Untied.
For newbies?
Untitted they shall be.
ahaha… talk about cog d. every picture is taken from a vantage that one has to question, a) how did cameras the size that they were then get in position to take the camera b) how was the film not impacted due to continual and incessant radiation without further specialized casings c) how does one account for lack of of distinct shadows from the sun and not ones that look like ceiling spotlights.
— of course this is surface items… the real question is travel. The moon does not travel in a perfect orbit, although we are told it does. Its oscillation is in all 3 directions. The speeding up, slowing down elongation and closing in closer to the earth occur in such a dynamic manner as to be very difficult to predict as it is fully influenced by the pulls and pushes of other planetary bodies and positions. This is an addition to the fact that the gravitational pull on the moon was consistently, incorrectly calculated as probe after probe missed their mark. The fact that you saw a launch and you then saw a ‘landing’ on surface is no actual proof of anything. We probably shouldnt even get into the Van Allen radiation belt and the difficulties of passage in a tin can that wouldve cooked the occupants just as a bake potato does in a microwave… but sure…absolutely. The only thing for certain is that you probably we never top of any science class and probably know even less about metallurgy, propulsion, radiation or any of the sciences that were required to conduct a moon journey. — fully buy into the vax too?
“The speeding up, slowing down elongation and closing in closer to the earth occur in such a dynamic manner as to be very difficult to predict as it is fully influenced by the pulls and pushes of other planetary bodies and positions.”
Difficult to predict? Not over a span of a few centuries. Maybe over a span of hundreds of thousands of years, but it is certainly predictable enough for space travel. I know this from personal experience. Back in the 1990s I was part of observing teams for perhaps a half dozen grazing lunar occultations. What is a grazing lunar occultation? Read:
http://www.lunar-occultations.com/iota/Graze.htm
That writer mentions a zone perhaps a couple miles wide, but in my experience we had it narrowed to about a few thousand feet on the ground. In order to predict where, on the ground, the edge of the Moon’s shadow will fall, one needs to know the position of the Moon to within a few thousand feet.
Conclusion? Planetary and moon orbits are chaotic over LONG time scales, as in hundreds of thousands, or millions of years, but over decades or centuries? We have that nailed down, plenty close enough for space travel.
I remember the first time I saw the videos of the crew members jumping arround on the moon and seeing how high the dust went as they kicked it up and thinking that it was not going any higher than it would here on earth…. It then started to look very much like it was shot here and just slowed down. The same thing with the footage of the rover.
Given that the surface is supposed to be basically powder, it should have been thrown up and stayed up creating very dusty conditions when the rover was driven around.. Again to me it simply looked like slow motion here on earth.
Since the moon walk video used a technique pioneered by Kubrick, front projection, which leaves a seam between background and foreground, we know it was shot back on Earth…that’s why they destroyed it…
That technique was also used in Kubrick’s 2001 movie…
Yes, there’s a website (Atlas something?) that goes into great detail on all things moon hoax. It has sections that go into a deep dive into Kubrick and how he shot all the film in England at a former blimp hangar that is currently used as a movie studio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardington_Airfield). He left clues in the Shining related to filming anomolies at the Cardington site, among other clues (e.g. Danny’s sweater, Room 231).
Some of the most advanced space technology at that time was placed on photoreconnaissance satellites. It is likely the gyroscopes in the command module and the LEM’s ascent module were taken from such satellites. There is no way those details and designs would be divulged even for civilian usage.
Regarding the film in the Hasselblad cameras the astronauts carried on the moon’s surface, that film is likely to have been the same used in photorecon satellites. Film buckets returning for pickup had to endure temperature extremes, the vacuum of space as well cosmic radiation.
The only way I can think President Kennedy would establish the challenge of going to the moon by the end of the 1960’s is that he was privy to the technology to do so already existed, otherwise, he would have spoken differently.
We were behing the Soviets inn all areas of space exploration and even specific aspects of the “race to the moon” until we suddenly leap frogged them in 1969.
edit: DS here
Our boy didn’t touch on the Van Allen Radiation Belt … To me, the ultimate hurdle that I have not seen someone irrefutably rebut ….
That and all the technology to go back has been ‘lost’ … How the hell couldn’t some one or some entity have had the ingenuity or resourcefulness to go back over 50!!! years later, despite ALL of the MASSIVE technological advances since that time … Shit don’t add up …
My favorite ‘go to’ site on this topic:
BTW … I still watch the Apollo 13 movie because of the great film-making …. but with a jaundiced eye because I believe that the whole thing was based on a damn lie …
Sorry for the piggy-back, but found it to be a bit of serendipity while I was eating my tortilla chips off of an Easter Bunny paper plate while sipping on some lower tier brews :)!!
Carter, an evil man, had the plans for the Saturn 5 rocket destroyed….
Apollo 13 following so much of the script of the 1929 Fritz Lang movie “Frau im Mond”
imdb.com/title/tt0019901/
really was rubbing it in.
In 2011 a movie came out — ‘Hugo’ — about an orphan whose late father was Georges Méliès and an automaton he made as well as his early contributions to motion pictures … one of which is considered the first science fiction film …
Hugo — a REALLY excellent film, in my opinion. Worth buying the DVD in case they take it off streaming.
Say what you will… Moon-Men will never really integrate into American society.
Steve is full of shit. Only a moron still believes we sent people to the moon or outer space.
So… not even into orbit?
How can orbit be achieved when the Earth is flat? Another thing that makes me hate the Communists even Moar, including Putin, for going along with the hoax. ;0
Sending people to the moon is not a problem. Getting them back alive is!
Lots of comment,”How did they pull it of with soooo MANY people involved?”
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EVEN Close to landing on the Moon?
the ‘program’ would have NEVER stopped. Period. No Way.
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They haven’t killed enough Americans yet, apparently….
My Don, I am proud and happy of and for you today. Impressive. Especially on this wide open range….
Thank you nkit.
And I hope that you will stay in touch with our Sunday Morning Classics after this Sunday’s goodbye as a formal Classic Music Mafioso…
Thanks for picking up the gauntlet that was thrown down in the first article, Steve C …
Good or bad, I’ve always been a believer in the events of the lunar landings … and the shuttles, too …
And thank you Anthony for your support.
I appreciate it.
THE MYTHICAL MOON LANDING
• The most indisputable reason, fact, which makes this whole endeavor impossible and a huge lie, is the existence of what is known as: “Van Allen Radiation Belt”. Even though just mentioning that major obstacle should be sufficient enough to prove the trip to the moon was a fiction.
• Below are some simple common sense and scientific facts, which will prove clearly, without any doubts, whatsoever, that NASA and U.S. government deliberately deceived the American people and the people of the world, in order to create a phony prestige for boasting on the world stage and to plunder billions of dollars for space research, which obviously ended up in the pockets of the so-called mass-murderers, or defense contractors and warmongering weapon manufacturers, deceitful egotistic scientists and astronauts, nation-less corporations for supposedly building the necessary contraptions to produce the trip to the moon television show.
• A few major unsolvable problems for conventional travel to anywhere in out of space, which requires passing through Van Allen Radiation Belt, even today:
Van Allen Radiation Belt is a large outer radiation belt around planet Earth, generated by the highly charged solar radioactive particles and plasma released from the upper atmosphere of our star, the Sun. Extending from an altitude of about 13,000 to 60,000 kilometers, or 8,100 to 37,300 miles above and all around planet Earth’s surface. No living creature from Earth using 1960’s primitive, or even today’s technologies could possibly get through the belt and survive. This highly charged radioactive emission of ionizing radiation or particles would vaporize any living creature traveling through it. In order to get to the moon over 221,567 miles, or 374,448 kilometers from planet Earth, Apollo astronauts had to pass through Van Allen Radiation Belt and would have been vaporized instantly.
• Furthermore, we did not and we do not have a protective radiation shield to travel safely through Van Allen Radiation Belt even today.
• Most of us have seen the huge plume of dust and smoke when space shuttle or any rocket is fired up and shot out of the Earth’s gravitational pull, into space. If you watch the lunar landing, it is clear as day that a crane is assisting the landing of the so-called Lunar Module from the top. How could a rocket booster engine blasting at full trust descending to cushion its landing, in a sandy, dusty environment to land safely, does not make any smoke, nor raise any dust up in the air. The very same thing is also true as the Lunar Module is shot out of moon’s gravitational pull!
• Furthermore, the tiny cone-shape Lunar Module, hardly had enough space for two men, where did they house the so-called Moon Rover, all other equipment and the fuel tanks necessary to take off from moon surface? Also it is worth mentioning that traveling to the moon and back (according to NASA MAFF, one will be covering nearly half a million miles, which would require enormous amount of fuel. The gigantic advanced fuel tanks attached to the space shuttle can only take the shuttle out of the Earth’s atmosphere; which is about 62 miles, or (100 kilometers) straight up, and soon after all of the fuel burned up, the two fuel tanks separate and fall back onto the earth.
• Another impossible aspect of this mythical trip is the direct live video images and audio transmission from moon to Earth. We all remember Neil Armstrong’s infamous quote supposedly after landing: “one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind”. The very same video footage and pictures, the so-called hard evidence supposedly brought back by the astronauts to deceive and prove this mythical trip true, was all nothing but a load of SHIT!
• We all have seen broadcast television programs coming to our TV sets from different corners of planet Earth “LIVE”. What most of us may not know however, is what would it take to make that broadcast possible? To (according to NASA GLOBALISTS) overcome the curvature of planet Earth (that in itself is for another thread) it would require a stationary satellite on Earth’s orbit, and broadcasting truck stationed at the location of the event to transmit the signal from the point of origin to a TV station equipped with satellite dish to receive and broadcast the signal to us, the viewing audience with time delay, caused by the signal traveling out of space and back. How did the so-called astronauts, while jumping up and down, or driving the moon rover, or walking around, could communicate INSTANTANEOUSLY, nearly half a million miles away round-trip, with NASA???
• Looking at the Lunar-Rover, and examining the picture NASA claims taken from the so called Lunar-Rover on the moon and looking at footage of Lunar-Rover driving around shows the rear combustion engine. Now I am not an astronaut, or a scientist, but can someone explain to me, how in the hell a big Lunar-Rover car could drive around on the moon using rear combustion engine where there is no atmosphere, no air and no oxygen? (Combustion engine will not work without oxygen in the air). And no, Lunar-Rover was not an electric car, because if it was, it would weigh a ton and the many batteries on board would have been clearly visible. And again, where did NASA store the Moon-Rover, which evidently is bigger than the Lunar Module itself, to be delivered to the moon?
• Moreover, anybody knows that Radiation from the Sun is a mixture of electromagnetic waves ranging from infrared, to ultraviolet rays, high-energy gamma rays and X-rays radiation, which of course includes visible light between IR and UV in the electromagnetic spectrum. Any form of new films leaving planet Earth on its way to the moon passing through Van Allen Radiation would have been completely destroyed. Even if the impossible were to be true and the 17 millimeter vector chrome photography film and video films used, were purchased from the store on the moon, on their way back going through Van Allen Radiation Belt everybody including the undeveloped films and the crew would have been destroyed.
• There are so many indisputable evidences that caused many people around the world deeply distrust the U.S. (with good reason) and the whole mythical event of putting a man on the moon! You should never say: “if we could put a man on the moon, we could achieve everything!” Making that statement would discredit you completely.
Did U.S. NASA faked Moon landing? Well, absolutely, United States lacked both the ability and technology required to put a man on the Moon in 1960s. Even today in the year 2020 U.S. and NASA do not have the propulsion system and protective technology to go anywhere outside of Earth’s gravity pull.
THE CLASSIC CARLIN – THE LAST WORD (I don’t think Carlin was leaving out NASA)
With all that radiation, how does the wiring insulation and any plastic parts last as long as it has onboard orbiting satellites?
I believe those Van Allen belts exist, I just dont think it’s strong enough to do real harm for a short duration of time a lunar mission was.
I’ve worked.with radioactive material making sources for non destructive testing and xray and the radiation of the iridium or cesium we were working with would very quickly embrittle any plastic dishes, brushes, etc.
The vast majority of satellites are in low earth orbit far below the Van Allen belts and protected by the earth’s magnetic field. Satellites and probes that went into deep space had special radiation hardened electronics and various forms of shielding around sensitive components. Not easy, nor cheap.
Somehow I knew you would have an explanation.
and so did Alice Kramden:
She really did wanna go to the moon.
For all the youngsters who don’t get it. Could you imagine doing a scene like this on TV today?
There would be rioting on the streets.
THE MYTHICAL MOON LANDING
• The most indisputable reason, fact, which makes this whole endeavor impossible and a huge lie, is the existence of what is known as: “Van Allen Radiation Belt”. Even though just mentioning that major obstacle should be sufficient enough to prove the trip to the moon was a fiction.
• Below are some simple common sense and scientific facts, which will prove clearly, without any doubts, whatsoever, that NASA and U.S. government deliberately deceived the American people and the people of the world, in order to create a phony prestige for boasting on the world stage and to plunder billions of dollars for space research, which obviously ended up in the pockets of the so-called mass-murderers, or defense contractors and warmongering weapon manufacturers, deceitful egotistic scientists and astronauts, nation-less corporations for supposedly building the necessary contraptions to produce the trip to the moon television show.
• A few major unsolvable problems for conventional travel to anywhere in out of space, which requires passing through Van Allen Radiation Belt, even today:
Van Allen Radiation Belt is a large outer radiation belt around planet Earth, generated by the highly charged solar radioactive particles and plasma released from the upper atmosphere of our star, the Sun. Extending from an altitude of about 13,000 to 60,000 kilometers, or 8,100 to 37,300 miles above and all around planet Earth’s surface. No living creature from Earth using 1960’s primitive, or even today’s technologies could possibly get through the belt and survive. This highly charged radioactive emission of ionizing radiation or particles would vaporize any living creature traveling through it. In order to get to the moon over 221,567 miles, or 374,448 kilometers from planet Earth, Apollo astronauts had to pass through Van Allen Radiation Belt and would have been vaporized instantly.
• Furthermore, we did not and we do not have a protective radiation shield to travel safely through Van Allen Radiation Belt even today.
• Most of us have seen the huge plume of dust and smoke when space shuttle or any rocket is fired up and shot out of the Earth’s gravitational pull, into space. If you watch the lunar landing, it is clear as day that a crane is assisting the landing of the so-called Lunar Module from the top. How could a rocket booster engine blasting at full trust descending to cushion its landing, in a sandy, dusty environment to land safely, does not make any smoke, nor raise any dust up in the air. The very same thing is also true as the Lunar Module is shot out of moon’s gravitational pull!
• Furthermore, the tiny cone-shape Lunar Module, hardly had enough space for two men, where did they house the so-called Moon Rover, all other equipment and the fuel tanks necessary to take off from moon surface? Also it is worth mentioning that traveling to the moon and back (according to NASA MAFF, one will be covering nearly half a million miles, which would require enormous amount of fuel. The gigantic advanced fuel tanks attached to the space shuttle can only take the shuttle out of the Earth’s atmosphere; which is about 62 miles, or (100 kilometers) straight up, and soon after all of the fuel burned up, the two fuel tanks separate and fall back onto the earth.
• Another impossible aspect of this mythical trip is the direct live video images and audio transmission from moon to Earth. We all remember Neil Armstrong’s infamous quote supposedly after landing: “one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind”. The very same video footage and pictures, the so-called hard evidence supposedly brought back by the astronauts to deceive and prove this mythical trip true, was all nothing but a load of SHIT!
• We all have seen broadcast television programs coming to our TV sets from different corners of planet Earth “LIVE”. What most of us may not know however, is what would it take to make that broadcast possible? To (according to NASA GLOBALISTS) overcome the curvature of planet Earth (that in itself is for another thread) it would require a stationary satellite on Earth’s orbit, and broadcasting truck stationed at the location of the event to transmit the signal from the point of origin to a TV station equipped with satellite dish to receive and broadcast the signal to us, the viewing audience with time delay, caused by the signal traveling out of space and back. How did the so-called astronauts, while jumping up and down, or driving the moon rover, or walking around, could communicate INSTANTANEOUSLY, nearly half a million miles away round-trip, with NASA???
• Looking at the Lunar-Rover, and examining the picture NASA claims taken from the so called Lunar-Rover on the moon and looking at footage of Lunar-Rover driving around shows the rear combustion engine. Now I am not an astronaut, or a scientist, but can someone explain to me, how in the hell a big Lunar-Rover car could drive around on the moon using rear combustion engine where there is no atmosphere, no air and no oxygen? (Combustion engine will not work without oxygen in the air). And no, Lunar-Rover was not an electric car, because if it was, it would weigh a ton and the many batteries on board would have been clearly visible. And again, where did NASA store the Moon-Rover, which evidently is bigger than the Lunar Module itself, to be delivered to the moon?
• Moreover, anybody knows that Radiation from the Sun is a mixture of electromagnetic waves ranging from infrared, to ultraviolet rays, high-energy gamma rays and X-rays radiation, which of course includes visible light between IR and UV in the electromagnetic spectrum. Any form of new films leaving planet Earth on its way to the moon passing through Van Allen Radiation would have been completely destroyed. Even if the impossible were to be true and the 17 millimeter vector chrome photography film and video films used, were purchased from the store on the moon, on their way back going through Van Allen Radiation Belt everybody including the undeveloped films and the crew would have been destroyed.
• There are so many indisputable evidences that caused many people around the world deeply distrust the U.S. (with good reason) and the whole mythical event of putting a man on the moon! You should never say: “if we could put a man on the moon, we could achieve everything!” Making that statement would discredit you completely.
Did U.S. NASA faked Moon landing? Well, absolutely, United States lacked both the ability and technology required to put a man on the Moon in 1960s. Even today in the year 2020 U.S. and NASA do not have the propulsion system and protective technology to go anywhere outside of Earth’s gravity pull.
4 minutes with the truth about the governemnt/NASA from you know who….
“vaporized instantly” is a bit of an exaggeration, but without a very significant amount of shielding astronauts could not pass through it alive. Their eyes experience “blue out” long before they would arrive at the belts proper due to Cherenkov Radiation in the vitreous humor of their eyes.
Seems Kubrick in his movie 2001 had better technical consultants than NASA. His portrayal of a spacecraft that could travel to and land on the moon probably was reasonably accurate, certainly plausable. Apollo, on the other hand, was absurd.
Apollo 13 following so much of the script of the 1929 Fritz Lang movie “Frau im Mond”
imdb.com/title/tt0019901/
really was rubbing it in.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019901/
“Woman in the Moon (German Frau im Mond) is a German science fiction silent film that premiered 15 October 1929 at the UFA-Palast am Zoo cinema in Berlin to an audience of 2,000.[1] It is often considered to be one of the first “serious” science fiction films.[2] It was directed by Fritz Lang, and written by his wife Thea von Harbou, based on her 1928 novel The Rocket to the Moon.[3] It was released in the US as By Rocket to the Moon and in the UK as Girl in the Moon. The basics of rocket travel were presented to a mass audience for the first time by this film, including the use of a multi-stage rocket.[2][4] The film was shot between October 1928 and June 1929 at the UFA studios in Neubabelsberg near Berlin.[1]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_in_the_Moon
Put an arrow anywhere on the moon pic with the caption: ‘Artifacts left here; flag, buggy, gold memorial
earthpeople introduction to any aliens that may be here or come here. All garbage remains from landing and taking off. ETC.’ No one ever has produced a close up picture. If they did it would be sensational.
We can read the writing on a pack of ciggies in someones pocket from space, but cannot show any clear pictures of the debris left by ‘mankind’ on our moon. Someone please come up with more than one picture that is not photo shopped and a lie. Goes for any Mars artifacts and pics too. Until then it’s all bullsh!t.
Put an arrow anywhere on the moon pic with the caption: ‘Artifacts left here; flag, buggy, the gold memorial earthlings introduction to any aliens that may be here or come here. All garbage remains from landing and taking off. ETC.’ No one ever has produced a close up picture of the debris. Not one. If they did it would be sensational. All controversy ended.
We can read the writing on a pack of ciggies in someones pocket from space, but cannot show any clear pictures of the debris left by ‘mankind’ on our moon. Someone please come up with more than one picture that is not photo shopped and a lie. Until then it’s all bullsh!t.
I grew up near Kennedy Space Center. All of our fathers worked there, almost without exception tough men of the WWII generation (all of them white, of course – the ridiculous movie about three black women playing a major role in the space program was simply made up).
To suggest that my dad and all the others conspired to fool the world is a pathetic joke. Tens of thousands worked on Apollo. They were all unprincipled liars or in on this huge “secret”? Come on, man!
Yeah, we went to the moon, white men did it all, and they ran incredible risks considering the technology available.
Care to guess if we can pull it off again with a “diverse” work force?
Stop with the lies, raciss… Negroes got to the moon long before you crackas’.
There’s something intensely tragic about this video, yet it’s funny as hell.
I have not seen that specifically claimed.
Is it maybe possible that “dad and all the others” were fooled by the conspirators?
Unless “dad and all the others” were at the top of the NASA hierarchy, they probably had no idea what the big picture was. Were they?
Facts matter when looking for the truth. Emotional attachments don’t.
Yeah they somehow got a dune buggy up there too and were driving it around without kicking up a dust cloud.
LOL. What a bunch of bullshit.
I was convinced we did, never questioned it at the time. Now, now what does it matter whether we did or not? The people who run the narrative have so discredited themselves that if they turned around and said it was a hoax I’d say, really? And go on about my business. Cold fusion? World peace? Guaranteed reliable erections? Really? Wonderful… or not. Whatever. Take this shot, it’ll cure everything that ails you or ever will. Nah, not yet, maybe later… thanks, though.
Produce a world full of conspiracy theorists, just lie about enough for long enough and people will gaze at your latest story with dull eyed resignation, giving the state approved nod, and carry on with their business.
Now, after all this, when they deny they did something or are doing something to injure you what are you going to think? Clean elections? Sure. OK. Whatever. What’s next, MRNA in the food supply, they deny it? Must be true.
Welcome to the USSA. Just like the old USSR or China or Europe, narrative, all the stinking narrative, all the stinking time.
PS. When does the next war start?
You’re not wrong, but the problem is there are so many people who belive the narratives — and they think they are “woke”. Good grief !!
He has completely ignored the fraudulent moon walk video, apparently shot by Stanley Kubrick….. and destroyed by NASA, astoundingly, in the early ’70s…While that doesn’t prove we didn’t go to the moon, it is important, to say the least…
How did we get here?
How did we come to the point where people have such difficulty accepting reality, such as a spherical earth?
Being able to accurately perceive truth is inexoriably bound to faith in Jesus Christ, the God of creation.
Those of you who have no faith in Christ or even weak faith in Christ, are susceptible to the most absurd lies, such as evolution or a flat earth.
This is the truth.
Read the Gospel of John immediately and meet Jesus, the Author of Truth.
Or you can go the way of Pontius Pilate: “What is truth?” John 18:38
It is my sincere wish that all of you reading this will meet Jesus.
My irony meter just exploded…..
LOL !!!!
Christ is the only way to the spirit of truth.
That is about the weakest argument against a faked moon landing as I’ve ever read.
Not agreeing with whether the US went to the moon or didn’t, but the case made here is not persuasive.
The previous article/post that Steve references that is is trying to refute stated that nearly all the film footage and thousands of other documents were “lost” by NASA.
How could such a historical database of records go missing or get lost?
To provide a continuation of the cover-up, perhaps?
Maybe your next article that you post will be one where you try to convince us that Oswald killed Kennedy.
The Moon-hoaxers have the same problem as the Bible Whackadoodles who proclaim their massive flood happened or the universe was knocked out in six days. The evidence against them is massively overwhelming while all they have are ancient mythologies, fairy tales, photo-shopped images, CGI, and wishful-thinking. The science is against them. Never mind the Cold War was also against them.
Both groups really should take their computers they use to generate their photo-shopped images and CGI to a used computer store and just turn over the hardware to people who know how to use computer hardware far more productively.
Then go home and do to themselves what they want their gods to do to everyone else.
Then go home and do to themselves what they want their gods to do to everyone else.
Excellent sentence.
Thou shall do to yourself, all that you wish to do to others.
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One free entendre hidden in every pack!
Well done Steve C., but as a former space shuttle worker myself, you are just casting your pearls before swine. Some of these guys you could transport to the surface of the Moon and they will still deny it. Not worth the trouble or your time.
I am starting to come across people online now that claim 30 years of space shuttle flights did not happen, that we faked it. You can’t have a logical discussion with them, just as you can’t have a logical discussion with leftists.
Enjoyed your article. Well done.
Well you did fake lots and lots of so-called ISS footage using greenscreens.
Why did they do that? What department does that kind of work and why? If you’re already up there, why not just shoot actual footage?
Reasonable questions if you’re running such an above board operation.
Oh great…the flat earther is here to educate all those beneath him with his glorious knowledge of all things fake and real.
Too be fair I’m not a flat Earther, I am a it doesn’t feel like it’s moving nor does it appear to be a glober.
And no matter how often I repeat it, it obviously bears repeating once again- I don’t know anything about the Moon landings, the shape of the Earth, etc. I only know how to discern the difference between the truth and a lie and not to place my trust in people who lie. That is a human skill, like performing a card trick or swinging a hammer. Enough practice and you can easily master it. It doesn’t require a degree in physics or astronomy to be qualified.
You’re free to do whatever you like in this regard, but don’t assume for a moment that you’ve made some kind of cogent point here with your rhetorical flourish.
C- at best.
That’s unfair to St. HSF – he’s been ploughing dem fields all day.
I’m still waiting on how you think navigation works or what visible satellites are.
Tonight Trump told Tucker that the A-bomb melted granite at Hiroshima.-
Random63, (And the No Namer??? Who thinks calling THE HARDSCRABLE FARMER a Flat Earther means what who ever he/she/they/them/it… thinks it means),
Just curious…what do you (and the secret one too worried about using a name that can be traced to what he/she/they/them/it) thinks about all the indisputable NASA 666 MAFF???
If you scroll up I laid their MAFF out in multiple posts…but here is one concise short vid…
Just looking for honest comebacks.
Under 2 minutes…do you both believe this NASA MAFF?
Indisputable?
I honestly think you have no idea what you are talking about. Anyone who claims something this far out is “indisputable”, can’t be rational.
BTW, I can spell “BOOBIES” on a calculator (held upside down) with some math. Must have a deep meaning. You should look into it.
Must be a 5th grader
No, but one did show it to me on a Casio LC88. Maybe 6th. It was a long time ago.
I’m surprised people believe there’s an internet.
Hmmm… any idea if the author can confirm if the moon is made of green cheese… or not? 🤔
tia
Ironically it has the same specific gravity ;-D
It’s Wensleydale. Wallace and Grommit were there and enjoyed it with crackers they brought with them.
6 missions in 3 years…3,6’s Apollion rising, multiple light sources, no dust, no crater, astro nots talking at normal conversation over a 10,000 pound thruster without noise cancellation invented, you can read a book on a full moon on earth so the lumens would have caused the astro nots to go blind, the photo of the earth from the moon is the same size as the moon from earth, should be 75% larger, when communicating to Houston there should have been at least a 10 second delay but no, and most important NASA lost the technologies to go back. Yeah your right! Toyota made a car in the 70’s that got 50,000 mpg, 2023 they can get 50 mpg…progress. pass me the bong.
2.5+ second delay.
Had not considered the noise of the engine before. Nicely noticed.
The Earth/Moon sizes thing is odd too. I have seen many pictures of earth from the moon (allegedly) and the size does vary more than seems possible. Maybe someone has an explanation.
Source? I call BS on this one.
without noise cancellation invented,
“In the 1950s, Dr. Lawrence Jerome Fogel submitted his own patents and invented one of the first noise-cancelling headphone systems.”
“This system was specifically designed to provide active noise cancellation to helicopter pilots by reducing the overall noise that the pilot experiences in the cockpit area to enhance and improve communication. Even though these systems were mainly used for hearing protection in aviation, the technology laid grounds for further developments down the line.”
Source:
https://www.headphonesty.com/2020/10/history-of-noise-cancelling-headphones/
You made me learn something.
If anyone could get us into space and beyond, it was old Nazis. Between that and the spectacular failures of the space programs, I tend to believe it without delving into the nitty-gritty.
Steve is full of shit just like NASA- and you muppets that stull believe anything the government tells you deserve to get what’s coming good and hard.
My good fellow, we did watch all global leaders singing from the same hymn sheet as far as Covid-19 was concerned. That’s all I have to say about that.
I think I saw all the “lost” moon mission information at the flea market last Sunday. Too bad technology has advanced to the middle ages, eh?
The Chinese will soon visit America’s moon landing sights and prove once and for all if, indeed America landed men on the moon. Methinks NOT.
Man didn’t go to the Moon in 1969 because the Bible Whackadoodles proclaim he can’t because the universe as described in Genesis, Exodues, Job, Ezekiel, Proberbs, and a few other places proclaims that it can’t be done because the Moon is just a torch suspended from a rope from the sky dome. The Holy Book of Ancient Fantasies, Fables, and Other Mythologies based on previous ancient cultures says so. Reeeeee!
Yet they believe Ezekiel was visited by aliens, as described in the beginning of that book. Therefore according to the Bible Whackadoodles, there must be a magic trap door in the sky dome for the aliens.
What can we conclude?
Bible Whackadoodles ingest more mind altering drugs and drink more alcohol whenever reality becomes too complicated for their tiny, defective, devolved brain cells. Bring out the magic poppies, wacky weed, and fermented grapes now mixed and known as Jesus Juice!
The only thing the moon landing hoax believers prove is that we have as many crazy people on our side as the Woke Commies have on their side. It does not take “emotional attachment” to believe what is obviously true. Yeah, sure. The top dogs in NASA managed to bullshit tens of thousands of the smartest guys in the country, and nobody figured it out. Oh, please. We have enough real problems without nutjobs running around with these absurd fantasies.
Thank you great decider of truth.
The only thing the moon landing hoax believers prove
I think it proves how many points of division the system installed in the collective of minds.
I may have noticed the pattern:
●Everyone’s right.
●Everyone’s wrong.
I ask you, what parameters do we use to sidestep these artificial boundaries that others installed in our minds?
Artificial boundaries like:
●Vaccines are good/bad.
●Moon landing real/fake
●911 real/controlled demo.
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Maybe take it too the basics?
The further away a topic is from food, water shelter, the less important it is ultimately, for life survival.
If nothing else, this removed my emotion from such discussions as this, which have pretty much nothing to do with addressing the basic requirements of life.
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I see that we are all on our various
life paths, sort of like threads on a
map, tracing our pathway through life, occasionally sharing moments electronically here.
We all have a pathway that is unique
to us alone. When we share our paths,
we can build each other up, and tear
each other down, with lessons
learned either way.
There is no such thing as equality.
Not between two paths and not even for the lone path holder.
For how is a one year old person equal to his 60 year old self?
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Modern “Equality” seems to be a nebulous abstraction seemingly built upon the flawed premise of the “snapshot” of time.
I think that is the way to gauge equal outcome of quantity-by “freezing time.”
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“Oops I accidentally spilled some philo, let me get a cloth”
The vaccines are either directly killing healthy people, or not.
9/11 either made people join up for ZOG wars, or not.
The moon landing means jack shit.
To keep the conversation going… (hopefully, this may not have been posted, as of yet)
From SGT:
M O O N M E N: The (LITERALLY) Impossible Journey — Bart Sibrel
It’s Schrodinger’s Moon Landing. Man did, and did not, land on the moon; both at the same time.
Note to Administrator: If you want lots of comments on your articles, do a series of articles like this one over the next few weeks. Examples could be “Twin Towers: Inside Job or Terrorism?”, “Did the Holocaust Actually Happen?”, “Does Bigfoot Exist?”, “Who Built the Pyramids?”, or “Is Michelle Obama Really a Female?”. OK, the last one isn’t even controversial, but you get the drift.
I was a huge believer in the moon landings…having enjoyed it on TV many times as a nerd kid. Then one day I found out about the Van Allen belts and the hazard they pose to any human or animal venturing into them.
THEN one day the space shuttle tried to climb above the 400 mile mark above the earth only to find their eyes got lots and LOTS of haze and shooting stars. The ISS only floats 250 miles above the earth…and now we know why.
Wait, we supposedly went through the VA belts in 1969 with zero problems. But the shuttle goes 400 miles up and the astronauts go nearly blind. The USSA did a great job with the help of a very famous film director. I am now a true believer – we faked it.
I was waiting for this comment.
You see in the 1960s they were still manly men who would not complain about some such triviality. /s (sort of)
The early astronauts did complain about issues with their eyes, “flashes and stars”, but not until later in the program as earlier they were worried about being taken out of the program if they revealed it.
Funnily enough, that is the one of the things I put in the “we went” evidence column.
Remember when women astronauts had to have hysterctomies because of radiation?
500!- Steve C., I’ve read this thread and I think there is no doubt that more people think the moon landing is a hoax.
If the truth makes you uncomfortable, don’t blame the truth. Blame the lie that made you so comfortable. Seriously……
BL,
I guess I didn’t realize it was up to a vote…
“…In questions of science the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual…” — Galileo Galilee
Agree, the authority (by way of conformity of thought) of millions here and around the world is not worth the reasoning of those individuals who can see with their own eyes and are not afraid to speak the truth. That is the reason individuals that can see are not vaxed or believe the government is here to help.
Too bad he didn’t work for the CDC.
Some people can not hear the truth.