Will the anti-anti-vaxxers ever acknowledge when they are wrong?

Guest Post by Steve Kirsch

Some things just aren’t debatable. When the Cleveland Clinic study first came out, it was bad news for the anti-anti-vaxxers. But a new paper made it even worse. A lot worse. Will they admit it?

Executive summary

The anti-anti-vaxxers like to position themselves as the champions of scientific integrity.

I’m going to prove to you in this article that all of them are frauds; they are simply promoters of false government propaganda.

It’s so simple to do.

You see none of them will acknowledge that the latest Cleveland Clinic study clearly and unambiguously shows that they were all wrong about the vaccine. It’s now crystal clear the COVID vaccines make you more likely to be infected. No place to hide. No hand-waving arguments are left.

If they don’t acknowledge what this article says, you have crystal clear proof they are incapable of interpreting what scientific studies say.

The original Cleveland Clinic paper showed more vaccines —> more infections

See this article. Figure 2 showed clearly that the more vaccines you got, the more likely you were to be infected.

But the anti-anti-vaxers argued that there were no “adjustments” and that the paper didn’t study that result as a primary outcome.

This is the typical hand-waving desperation attempt to gaslight you into believing that the result wasn’t dispositive. They provided absolutely no evidence that their attack had a basis in science.

Now, there is a new paper by the same authors that specifically focuses on Fig. 2 and proves the effect was legitimate

See this superb article by Jessica Rose which talks about the new paper. Basically, the Cleveland Clinic authors addressed all the hand-waving arguments that people have made about Figure 2 and proved that they weren’t true. They made Fig. 2 the focus of the paper and did a Cox multivariable analysis on that data showing there were no confounders that could distort the result.

The result, that more vaccines make you more likely to be infected, is now the accepted hypothesis. If someone wants to re-analyze their data and show that they goofed or they fabricated the data, the burden is now on them.

This paper ends the debate. It’s time for the anti-anti-vaxxers to public acknowledge what the paper says: it’s better not to be “up to date”

What do you think my anti-anti-vaxxers friends will do? Admit they were wrong? Or ignore the new paper?

Here’s a list of some of the prominent anti-anti-vaxxers and government organizations. Do you think there is an honest scientist/organization on this list?

  1. CDC
  2. FDA
  3. NIH
  4. WHO
  5. Peter Hotez
  6. David Gorski
  7. Debunk the Funk
  8. Dorit Reiss
  9. Susan Oliver (and her dog Cindy)
  10. Skeptical Raptor
  11. Reuters Fact Check (and other Fact Checkers)
  12. Jonathan Jarry
  13. ZDoggMD
  14. Avi Bitterman
  15. Eric Burnett
  16. Adrian Wong
  17. Ian Copeland
  18. Drew Comments
  19. Xeno Rasmusson
  20. Neil deGrasse Tyson

By the way…

I offered $100K in extra incentives for Peter Hotez to debate RFK Jr on Joe Rogan.

Hotez will be destroyed if he agrees, so he’s never agree.

So my money is safe.

Please give it a retweet to spread the word.

These people won’t debate ANY of us. They don’t want America to see both sides of the argument.

Summary

I will be floored if any of the anti-anti-vaxxers acknowledge the conclusions of this paper:

Conclusions Since the XBB lineages became dominant, adults “not up-to-date” by the CDC definition have a lower risk of COVID-19 than those “up-to-date” on COVID-19 vaccination, bringing into question the value of this risk classification definition.

In other words, these so-called “champions of science” are in reality “champions of false narratives.”

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48 Comments
Thunder
Thunder
June 18, 2023 6:53 am

Agreed and proven beyond Doubt… Now it comes again for those who missed the last date with Death. Japan is rising as are the other coutries who are over 80% + fully vaccinated.
Never dance with the Devil

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Thunder
June 18, 2023 9:12 am

It obviously is NOT “proven beyond doubt” or no one would be DOUBTING IT! We’re never going to unravel this shit in time to be ready for the NEXT mountain of shit to be dumped on us.

Do you SEE the pattern here?

Warren
Warren
  Thunder
June 18, 2023 12:06 pm

Never dance with him. Not even if you’re Charlie Daniels

k31
k31
  Warren
June 18, 2023 3:46 pm

God bless him. I am glad he is a Christian, because I want to meet Charlie some day.

Warren
Warren
  Administrator
June 18, 2023 12:20 pm

The term “expert Doctor” is now essentially an oxymoron.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
June 18, 2023 7:26 am

In my experience sincere apologies for wrongdoing are a rare. Well raised, polite people will say sorry for minor infractions while the vast majority will either pretend they are unaware of any responsibility, or excuse themselves if called out. When it comes to something major, unless it is a very close loved one the chances are extremely small that they will admit culpability.

They were wrong, we all know it, that’s going to have to be enough.

Muscledawg
Muscledawg
  hardscrabble farmer
June 18, 2023 7:49 am

that’s going to have to be enough.

Don’t be so rash HSF. Ye of little faith.

Ghost
Ghost
  hardscrabble farmer
June 18, 2023 7:51 am

Watched CDC wench Walenski say “When I said it, it was true.” Regarding her statement that vaccines stop the virus.

She did not say she thought it true.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  hardscrabble farmer
June 18, 2023 9:14 am

A requiem for lost virtue. How appropriate.

Warren
Warren
  hardscrabble farmer
June 18, 2023 12:12 pm

You’re not wrong, however regarding the vaxxholes, a part of their refusal to acknowledge just how wrong they are is that then they would have to admit that they have poisoned just themselves, but their families, particularly their children as well. And as time goes on, as it gets worse and worse, then it will become harder and harder to admit.

some idiot
some idiot
  Warren
June 18, 2023 5:27 pm

I actually think it’s more insidious then that. I think they are far more afraid of being on the wrong side of the crowd. They’re more afraid of what their neighbors and coworkers would think of them if they spoke out. Herd mentality.

fujigm
fujigm
  hardscrabble farmer
June 18, 2023 2:10 pm

They were wrong, we all know it, that’s going to have to be enough.

It is enough.
No numbers or papers are needed.
No apology is needed; they should save it for their kids that they shot full of that shit.
All those screaming idiots and mask wearing fools identified themselves as my enemies.
The government tools goes without saying.
At the end of the exercise,there is a much clearer picture of the engagement field.
I have reallocated meager resources for the next go-round.
I wouldn’t have it any other way.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 18, 2023 7:51 am

Someone here is sure to debunk this by saying that there’s no such thing as Covid. Or even that there are no such things as viruses.
Those things may or may not be true.
What I believe to be true is that there is no RELIABLE test to diagnose Covid.

Kirsch and Berenson always skip over this inconvenient fact.

I would also love to have hard evidence to stick it to the Covidians and their “experts” who salivate at imposing “public health” tyranny.

Until the fraud of “cases” is resolved, however, there was no pandemic and all of these studies are measuring FAKE data. It was just the flu, bro.

Guest
Guest
  Anonymous
June 18, 2023 10:13 am

This point is often lost. Many more got tested (some many times for work most likely) so many more don’t talk about it.
For many it probably just makes them so mad they don’t want to think about it. If you’re in the same job be prepared for perhaps the next round.
I have asked people who said they have/had Covid what test? How did they know? No answer.

Warren
Warren
  Guest
June 18, 2023 12:23 pm

Didn’t they PCR test a turnip or something such, and it came back positive for Covid?

falconflight
falconflight
  Warren
June 18, 2023 12:41 pm

Bingo. I even challenged our local hospital personnel in the ER, if they were aware that the CDC/FDA no longer considered the PCR reliable. The response: hadn’t heard and their hospital follows CDC/FDA guidance. Whew!

BB
BB
  Warren
June 18, 2023 2:50 pm

Yes, but it wasn’t vaccinated.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Warren
June 19, 2023 7:11 pm

A papaya, a goat, and coca cola. They all tested positive.

Simplecarpenter
Simplecarpenter
  Anonymous
June 18, 2023 11:52 am

Well even the authorities publicly acknowledged at some point back that the PCR tests were unreliable BS because they threw out false positives like fedgov throws around debt backed fiat currency . Had they since updated their test methods ? If so I wasn’t aware or had heard anything to indicate that.As for myself I’ve never been jabbed or tested and unless they actually send enough goons to physically restrain me while they conduct those procedures on me I never will .
These people( I could name many of them , and not just relating to covid specifically but the whole goddam shit show ) all need permanent dirt naps , we are all about sick and goddam tired of feeling like we are stuck living in a continuos running bad dream compliments of their endless gaslight ,propaganda ,brainwash, indoctrination,psyop- ery .All to cover up their heinous natures and insure theyll be able to continue to exert their demonic influences over us into the future . But alas , too many (an average ” normal westerner whom plays by their rules and dutifully / mindlessly colors inside the lines set out for them instead of connecting the damn dots ) are just too susceptible to their freakin mind game “spells ” . “I’m mad as hell and not going to take it anymore “, problem is its not like there is any obvious “offswitch” that one man can hit that would make it stop.

falconflight
falconflight
  Simplecarpenter
June 18, 2023 12:44 pm

It all depended on the number of cycle thresholds ran on the sample. The higher the cycles, the more ‘positive’ results. Utter scientific/medical malfeasance.

Simplecarpenter
Simplecarpenter
  falconflight
June 18, 2023 5:11 pm

Yes , that is the detailed explanation for why the PCR tests we’re / are unreliable . Every body had covid ,according to these tests , how convenient .

Anonymous
Anonymous
  falconflight
June 19, 2023 7:14 pm

The PCR was never intended to be used as a test, according to Kary Mullis, the scientist who invented the process. Is it coincidence that he died just before the scamdemic started?

Waves
Waves
  Anonymous
June 18, 2023 2:24 pm

Anon I downvoted you for being another person glossing over the now well established foundational fact. The issue is NOT that there was ‘no reliable test’, the issue is that there can’t be any test for something never defined!!!!!

Random Factor
Random Factor
  Anonymous
June 19, 2023 9:09 am

I wonder why cases of the ‘flu’ went down to near zero during the years of covid?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
June 19, 2023 7:10 pm

Agreed. But do you know what causes the flu?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
June 19, 2023 7:23 pm

“Those things may or may not be true”.
Those things are the crux of the matter. Without them, their whole house of cards collapses and they would not be able to come up with more bullshit viruses in order to produce more vaccines to poison the population.

zappalives
zappalives
June 18, 2023 8:24 am

Like the mindless nigger/faggot/pedophile worship……………the vaxxed democrat sheepniggers will never admit the truth about the poison they had injected into their bodies.
They love being servile and obeying the teevee.
And for the 134th time…………….the democrat party is a suicide/death cult !

B.S. in V.C.
B.S. in V.C.
June 18, 2023 9:00 am

“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
Mark Twain

Botched_Lobotomy
Botched_Lobotomy
June 18, 2023 9:13 am

Chief Elf Fauci is SCIENCE. Ergo, whatever Fauci says is SCIENCE. All your numbers and maths are cute tho.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 18, 2023 10:10 am

Common sense was tossed under the bus along with any conception of truth and factual realities of real science and medical consequences .
The total disregard by all involved pushing these mRNA genetic altering injections for the cautionary reality that in medicine we do not live in a one size fits all world .
When challenges and debates are avoided amid a juggernaut of propaganda from the government, media and medical science communities not to mention big money pharma my BULL SHIT detection went to GENERAL QUARTERS !
As George Carlin said “I never believe anything my government tells me
NOTHING”!!!

Eud
Eud
June 18, 2023 10:50 am

Democide via Iatrogenesis.

Barry Berkmann-Block
Barry Berkmann-Block
  Eud
June 18, 2023 4:23 pm

Democide via intentional Iatrogenesis.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Barry Berkmann-Block
June 18, 2023 4:48 pm

Murder. At the very least, depraved indifference murder in the 2d degree.

Anon
Anon
June 18, 2023 12:35 pm

None of the above is the problem. The problem is not the science, the problem is not the attendant massive publicity by all the media, the problem is not the mass ovine acceptance: the problem is the government mandates concerning vaccinations, masking, and ridiculous rules that were enforced (with force) by a decerebrate semi-military local police: “Just following orders, Ma’am, I (strongly) suggest you do the same”.
Many of us who volunteered and fought for our country are beginning to ask ourselves, “What the hell did I fight for? Is this what I risked my life for? My once-free country that’s become a dictatorship; would we do it again, would we recommend that our children/grandchildren volunteer?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anon
June 19, 2023 7:18 pm

You never fought for “your country”. The country is not yours. You were fooled!

B_MC
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Eud
Eud
June 18, 2023 2:36 pm

The anti anti vaxxers dwindling spurs.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 18, 2023 2:43 pm

Short answer is NOPE. We are dealing with people who are genetically incapable of admitting wrong doing or failure of any kind. Their minds will twist and contort the uncomfortableness of reality *to anything else* in order to justify or explain away whatever bullshit they cannot handle mentally so that they can keep on feeling a sense of righteousness or moral superiority or whatever else makes them able to sleep at night. It wouldn’t matter if their entire fucking family dropped dead tomorrow, they won’t admit or even consider the possibility that it could have been related to a vaccine that the gov’t shit out in less than 6 months with little to no testing.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
June 18, 2023 4:51 pm

Their minds will twist and contort the uncomfortableness of reality *to anything else* in order to justify or explain away whatever bullshit they cannot handle mentally so that they can keep on feeling a sense of righteousness or moral superiority

You’re describing an essential characteristic of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Barry Berkmann-Block
Barry Berkmann-Block
  Anonymous
June 18, 2023 5:17 pm

●Narcissim: a feature of strong mental health?
●If one doesn’t love oneself, how can one love others?
●Why else would this world call it a disorder?

“For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it…”
________

DSM-5; the 70% Sci-fience dot gov paid for.

DFJ150
DFJ150
June 18, 2023 3:07 pm

They should quickly admit they were wrong before they succumb to one of the bioengineered “side effects of the shit shot.

Oldtoad of Green Acres
Oldtoad of Green Acres
June 18, 2023 4:16 pm

Point taken. The bio-weapon vaxx maimed, killed, is killing and will kill a vast number of people with-in the reach of the western pharma-government complex.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 18, 2023 4:19 pm

Will they ever admit they were wrong? No, because it was never about a pandemic or the vaccines, but it was about power, which they gained a lot of during that time, and admitting they were wrong would take away a lot of their new found power.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
June 19, 2023 7:20 pm

Nope. It was all about having people accept the poisonous jab.

some idiot
some idiot
June 18, 2023 5:22 pm

When I look something up and see “fact check” at the top of the search results I know that whatever I am looking up is true and go to another search engine. It’s especially laughable when I’m looking something up a prominent doctor or scientist said that goes against the narrative. Some Gen Z dweeb with zero medical training knows more than Dr. Yeadon? Yeh, ok.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  some idiot
June 19, 2023 6:18 am

You can try the Russian Yandex, they don’t de-rank conservative sites. They even allow more dissent by Russians than US search engines do by Americans. If you use MSN, Google, or Duck Duck go be prepared to go through all kinds of pages to get to a different opinion. Generally if you ask a question on these search engines, you will get answers totally the opposite of what you asked!

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 19, 2023 7:08 pm

“It’s now crystal clear the COVID vaccines make you more likely to be infected”. Nope, this in itself is propaganda to maintain the virus narrative. What they will never admit is that pathogenic viruses don’t exist. Nice try though.