Originally posted at Dispatches from Reality, by Scipio Eruditus. dfreality.substack.com
The wages of rebellion…
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.”
— First Epistle to the Thessalonians 2:14-16 KJV
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It is not even a question whether Christ would have been branded as a bigot were He among us in the flesh today: the European Jewish Congress has already stated that the New Testament “need[s] to be scrutinized for antisemitic contents.” The Gospels have been lambasted by generations of antichrists as “anti-jewish slander”. Handel’s Messiah, a celebration of Jesus Christ and the destruction of the Second Temple, has been called an “anti-semitic screed”.
If I am likewise slandered by the enemies of God for speaking these truths, then I gladly accept such slings and arrows in His service.
There are some 450 verses within the New Testament that state the Judeans and Pharisees are vipers, poisonous snakes, whitewashed tombs, hard-hearted hypocrites, thieves, robbers, or the blind leading the blind. The Gospel of John states that God’s Word and God’s love are not with the Judeans; that none of the Judeans do what is written in the Torah; that they know neither Jesus nor the Father; that they reject the commandments and they reject God’s divine purpose. On multiple occasions throughout His ministry, they plot to kill the Messiah; which they eventually succeed in doing — to their everlasting shame.
The word generation, or genea in Greek, appears in 27 verses in between the four Gospels. 23 of those verses are a direct reference to the faithless, adulterous, wicked, evil, childish, sinful, perverse, and viperous generation of Pharisees and Judeans who rejected their Messiah in the flesh. A generation of religious leaders so filled with evil that Christ calls them sons of the devil (all emphasis below is mine):
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
— Gospel of John 8:44 KJV
It is for these reasons — primarily of which was the murder of their Messiah — that the Second Temple was destroyed in 70 AD; as foretold by the Prophets Daniel, Zechariah, Malachi, and later, John the Baptist & Christ Himself.
As always, I prefer to inject as little of my own commentary as possible, “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” (Hebrews 4:12)
From the very first chapters of the New Testament, we are given a glimpse of the incipient wrath to come upon this generation:
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
— Gospel of Matthew 3:7-12 KJV
(Likewise, the Gospel of Luke 3:7-9 details this prophecy.) The imagery of the root and the branch is one seen throughout both the OT and NT as a repeated symbol for the physical Israel. That wrath the Baptizer foretells of in Matthew 3:7, orgē in Greek, is the same word for wrath that Paul speaks of in I Thessalonians 2:16. This warning by John of the baptism by hellfire that was to come is nearly verbatim what Malachi would prophesy roughly 420 years before the birth of Christ:
1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch…
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
— Book of Malachi 4:1, 5 KJV
The Archangel Gabriel, the messenger of the Christ, explicitly confirms that this prophecy is about John the Baptist in Luke 1:13-17. Indeed, it is on no less authority than Christ’s that we are told that John the Baptist is the second coming of Elias (the Hellenic form of Elijah) in Matthew 17:10-13.
The judgements and rebukes that Jesus Christ also lays upon this generation of Judeans are nothing less than scathing:
30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
31 And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?
32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.
— Gospel of Luke 7:30-32 KJV
(This event is also recorded in the Gospel of Matthew 11:16-17.) As His prophets foretold, Christ knew that He would suffer this generation to reject Him as well:
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
— Gospel of Luke 17:20-25 KJV
Not only are they called childish, but perverse and faithless:
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
— Gospel of Matthew 17:17 KJV
Truly, how could this generation of deniers be described as anything other than faithless after witnessing Christ heal the lame, the deaf, the blind, and the demoniacs with their own eyes. (This rebuking is also mentioned in Luke 9:41 & Mark 9:19.)
Yet, the Pharisees and Judeans continually ask for an even greater sign:
11 And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him a sign from heaven, tempting him.
12 And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
— Gospel of Mark 8:11-12 KJV
Christ then warns of the eventual fate of those who do not heed his words:
38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
— Gospel of Mark 8:38 KJV
In one of the lengthier diatribes against the Pharisees, Christ explicitly lays out the judgement that is to come upon them:
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
— Gospel of Matthew 12:33-45 KJV
Verses 41 and 42 were quite literally fulfilled during the Siege and Destruction of Jerusalem, as the Syrians and Arabians were among the auxiliary forces in Vespasian’s army:
But here a worse fate accompanied these than what they had found within the city; and they met with a quicker despatch from the too great abundance they had among the Romans, than they could have done from the famine among the Jews…
…the multitude of the Arabians, with the Syrians, cut up those that came as supplicants, and searched their bellies.
— Flavius Josephus, The War of the Jews Book V, 13.4
This rebuking is also told of by Luke in his Gospel account:
29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here…
42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
43 Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.
44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.
45 Then answered one of the lawyers, and said unto him, Master, thus saying thou reproachest us also.
46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.
48 Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres.
49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
— Gospel of Luke 11:29-32, 42-51 KJV
As Christ has explicitly stated multiple times now, this generation is to be judged for their grievous sins. The blood of every prophet, from Abel to Zacharias — the greatest being Christ — was to be required of this generation of Judeans. The LORD is long-suffering, but He is also just, which eventually necessitates a judgement.
The last public sermon Jesus preached was without a doubt His harshest, a final roll call of all His judgements upon the religious leaders of Judea:
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
— Gospel of Matthew 23:1-39 KJV
Once again, Christ lays the blood of all His prophets at the feet of this generation. He promises that their house will be left desolate, yet again foretelling the eventual fate of the very Temple He was preaching in.
That measure would finally be filled when this generation willingly took Christ’s blood upon them, fulfilling His words spoken just the day before:
22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
— Gospel of Matthew 27:22-25 KJV
It should be abundantly clear by now that the generation spoken of by Christ throughout the Gospels is not some future, unfulfilled generation: it is one that has already been judged for the greatest crime in human history.
“40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.”
— Acts of the Apostles 2:40 KJV
As Christ comes to the earthly Jerusalem before the Passover, He weeps as He prophesies its coming destruction:
41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
— Gospel of Luke 19:41-44 KJV
The majestic vista that Christ would have seen from this vantage point is described by the theologian Alfred Edersheim:
What a panorama over which to roam with hungry eagerness! At one glance he would see before him the whole city – its valleys and hills, its walls and towers, its palaces and streets, and its magnificent Temple —almost like a vision from another world. There could be no difficulty in making out the general features of the scene. Altogether the city was only thirty-three stadia, or about four English miles, in circumference. Within this compass dwelt a population of 600,000 (according to Tacitus), but, according to [Flavius Josephus], amounting at the time of the Passover to between two and three million…
— The Temple
It should not be hard to imagine the sorrow that our Messiah felt as He witnessed this city for one of the last times before his ascent into Heaven, knowing its fate had been sealed and that great calamities would soon be inflicted upon it.
Immediately after Christ’s scathing rebuke of the Pharisees seen in Matthew 23, His apostles ask when this event Christ had just spoken of, i.e. the destruction of the Temple, would come to pass. We see His answer in triplicate:
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
— Gospel of Matthew 24:34-35 KJV
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
— Gospel of Luke 21:32-33 KJV
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
— Gospel of Mark 13:30-31 KJV
Christ is remarkably clear in the timing and specificity of this prophecy: this generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled. The timing of this event is unequivocally stated by our LORD; that it appears three times makes it all the more significant.
The Princeps Titus Flavius Vespasianus was given charge of the Roman legions in Judea by his father, the Emperor Vespasian. During the siege, he entrenched and attacked Jerusalem from all sides, precisely as Christ foretold:
And now, as the city was engaged in a war on all sides, from these treacherous crowds of wicked men, the people of the city, between them, were like a great body torn in pieces.
— Flavius Josephus, The Wars of the Jews Book V, 1.5
Zechariah prophesies in shocking detail the horrific conditions that would presage the destruction of the Temple:
9 Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another.
10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.
11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the Lord.
— Book of Zechariah 11:9-11 KJV
The Temple is called the Beauty of Holiness four separate times in the OT (1Ch 16:29, 2Ch 20:21, Psa 29:2, Psa 96:9), and its gates are called Beautiful twice within the NT (Acts 3:2, 3:10). The staff called Beauty should therefore be understood as a symbolic representation of the Temple, a signifier of the old covenant and its passing away (Hebrews 8:13). These scenes from Zechariah would vividly play out during the siege of Jerusalem:
She then attempted a most unnatural thing; and snatching up her son, who was a child sucking at her breast, she said, “O thou miserable infant! for whom shall I preserve thee in this war, this famine, and this sedition?…”
As soon as she had said this, she slew her son, and then roasted him, and eat the one half of him…
— Flavius Jospehus, The Wars of The Jews Book VI, 3.4
Like Christ also states in Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13, not one stone would be left upon another:
NOW as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury, (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done,) Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and temple,… it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited.
— Flavius Josephus, The Wars of the Jews Book VII, 1.1
The destruction was so total, so complete, that travelers could not even tell that a great city had ever inhabited that land. What makes Josephus’s account of this destruction even more stunning is that he, being a Pharisee, was ignorant of Christ’s prophesies. That he so closely mirrors what Christ and John the Baptist foretold is nothing short of miraculous. The Messiah’s clear words above were fulfilled within that generation — precisely 40 years after He spoke them, the Biblical number of both a generation and testing.
The LORD Jesus Christ’s disputations with the Pharisees is an unmistakable narrative that clearly evinces itself throughout the Gospels. As we have seen laid out, Christ’s earthly ministry is an unmistakably vivid struggle between the vestiges of the Old Covenant and the Testator of the New (Hebrew 9:15-16). Matthew 15, Mark 7, Colossians 2:8, and 1st Peter 1:18 all detail the direct repudiation and refutation of the occultic doctrines of the Pharisees — doctrines now codified within the Babylonian Talmud.
To not understand the earthly and spiritual struggle between Christ and that wicked generation is to truly not understand a pivotal aspect of the Gospels as a whole.
I say this not from a place of pride, but profound sadness and humility, as I was in much the same state of ignorance for much of my life. It is only through the guidance and instruction of the Holy Spirit that I was able to unlearn so much of the error that I had been taught in my youth. The truth of Christ’s Olivet Discourse and its fulfillment in 70 AD is staggering, both for its precision and detail.
It is, without a doubt, one of the most incredible prophecies in the Holy Bible.
That this divine fulfillment of Biblical prophecy has been erroneously projected onto some future generation, that these timeless truths have been obscured by over a century of Scofield’s utterly alien doctrines, causes me profound grief.
“51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:”
— Acts of the Apostles 7:51-52 KJV
Further Research
Matthew Henry’s Commentary on Matthew 23
The pretenders.
Rev : 2-9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Would this curse also apply to anyone claiming to be a follower of jesus but who regularly practices sin in secret?
Or does acceptance of salvation wash away all past and future sin?
And if it does? How is this fair to the victims of the sinner?
Forgiving a murderer for murdering 70 times just doesn’t seem right.
A question for the ages.
Jesus=Kol nidre for the goy.
Interesting idea. I don’t think it quite fits, but the christians who lie, cheat, and steal certainly act like it’s the same mechanism.
Interesting idea. I don’t think it quite fits, but the christians who lie, cheat, and steal certainly act like it’s the same mechanism.
I think you might be right jDE:
Christian -Full forgiveness of past “sin”
Judaism-Full forgiveness of future “sin”
The Jews ask forgiveness for what they are about to do.
Christians ask forgiveness for what they have done.
That is a very big distinction in thought
processes.
[Sorry for edits]
Correction:
Bottomless Forgiveness=Kol Nidre prayer.
Bottomless forgiveness=Christian prayer.
Forgiveness is to be on a personal level. Justice, which includes punishment, is to be carried out at the impersonal magistrate level.
Since I am forgiven for my sin. I should not begrudge the murderer as I attend his execution.
Since I am forgiven for my sin. I should not begrudge the murderer as I attend his execution.
Ah, so.
How wise you are in the ways of wisdom.
You got it. ON a personal level we forgive. Spiritual law through the Holy Spirit always gives perfect justice. Even though we are forgiven for our transgressions. We still have to pay for them. Gods kingdom is always perfect.
How do I forgive my murderer when I am dead?
You have to become a ghost and haunt him.
Only the physical dies. Soul is immortal and yes very conscious of the physical self. For top Anon.
Yeah.
Used to subscribe to that theory.
But all the main players pushing that theory don’t live like THEY BELIEVE.
Which indicates, maybe it is a merely a very successful storyline.
That it has lasted so long is a testament to its ability to enslave minds away from the truth and true freedom.
The clay does not get to dictate terms.
The clay, is the clay.
Our unique life, ends when these bodies wear out and quit.
Our life is like a permanent candle flame while we are alive.
When we die? The flame goes out.
That is it.
The reward for figuring it out?
Fewer years laboring under delusions and misconceptions.
But the dead have no activity or knowledge.
God can forgive whoever He wants. Civil society can still exact its justice. As far as acceptance of salvation washing away future sins – that is the essence of Luther’s heresy. “If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sin but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.” Hebrews 10:26-27. That’s probably why Luther wanted to consign Hebrews to the so-called apocrypha. (Also because Hebrews 11:35 was a direct reference to 2 Maccabees, and he was determined to throw 2 Maccabees out.)
“Therefore whoever thinks he is standing firm should take care not to fall.” 1 Cor 10:12
Paul describes his struggle with sin in Romans 7. All of us can relate to that.
I wrote an essay a while back about forgiveness. We are commanded to forgive. That does not mean there are not consequences for our sin. God never rescues us from consequences. Jesus rescued us from eternal damnation.
God can forgive whoever He wants
But the murder victim is forever dead.
[Unless you believe in kissing Hanks ass that is]
This is not justice.
The only justice for deliberate murder is punishment of death.
Otherwise? It ain’t justice, for the scale is not balanced until the murderer is killed.
Eye for eye, was never repealed.
Some idiots watered down the original documents in the 4th century to standardize the get.
“The get” is when a hat “divorces” a goy from his money.
Hanks ass!
Rofl
Insightful. The teaching of Christ has been obscured for generations. His message is plain and simple yet men teach his message with a veil of secrecy to their own self interests. That veil is being lifted one believer at a time, this sinner included.
Amen sister 🙏
FJB🙏
Yes it has.
So strange that once you see it from the big picture angle, how much it’s true clarity comes into focus.
If you take away the spurius magic acts added onto the story of Jesus in the fourth century…
his message is purely agrarian.
Here is something I investigated and found recently that I thought some Christians here will find interesting.
“Amazingly, The Vast Majority Of “Modern” Prophecy Books And Teachings Have Their Foundation Based On The Corrupt Revised Version Bible (RV of 1885), And Most King James Bible Believing Christians Aren’t Even Aware Of It”! (Three pages).
By Dave Watchman
http://www.prophecycountdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/The-Truth-of-Daniel-9-27-1.pdf
This link below verifies the actual language used in the authorized 1611 King James Bible. I checked it in other versions on line as well and they follow.
Authorized Version (AV) of the King James Bible 1611 Danial chapter 9 confirming the original words used in 1611 that were changed in the 1885 Revised Version (RV) of the 1611 AV of the King James Bible.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Daniel-Chapter-9/ (scroll down to 27)
For those interested here about what other Bibles are saying about this important phrophcy, it appears to me to have been changed starting in 1885 as contended in the first link above.
I’m not a Bible scholar but…I have slept in a lot of Holiday Inns…and I spent most of my adult life as an investigator following the money and getting to the truth…so here I followed the words.
My Daniel 9:27 question…who is that verse talking about: JESUS CHRIST or the ANTICHRIST (and other verses that support it in that chapter). Words matter (Like Blood lines) especially if they are from/about GOD.
So here is what I found out about Daniel 9:27 is appears to be corrupted from Bible number 7 to 11, and this is a massive deception on a critical verse.
1. GENEVA 1560
27: And he z shal confirm the convenant with many for one week: and in the middes of the week he shal cause the sacrifice & the oblation to a cease, band for the overspreading of the abominations, he shal make it desolate, even until the consummation determined shalbe poured upon the desolate.
This to me supports this verse the ‘he’ being JESUS CHRIST.
2. GENEVA Bible 1599
27: And he shall confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.
This to me supports this verse the ‘he’ being JESUS CHRIST.
3. KING JAMES BIBLE AUTHORIZED VERSION 1611
27: And hee shall confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the midst of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of abominations hee shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation, & that determined, shalbe powred vpon the desolate.
This to me supports this verse the ‘he’ being JESUS CHRIST.
4. NEW KING JAMES BIBLE (NKJV)
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.”
This to me supports this verse the ‘he’ being JESUS CHRIST.
5. NEW AMERICAN STANDAND BIBLE NAS
27 “And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”
This to me supports this verse the ‘he’ being JESUS CHRIST
6.NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE NAS
27 “And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”
This to me supports this verse the ‘he’ being JESUS CHRIST
THE DIVIDING LINE TO ME…above in Daniel 9:27 the ‘he’ is Jesus Christ’…below the “he’ is the Anti Christ.
7. KING JAMES BIBLE REVISED ADDITION 1885
27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and for the half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the consummation, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolator.
This to me supports this verse being the ‘he’ being THE ANTICHRIST!
8. NIV Bible
his to me supports this verse being the ‘he’ being THE ANTICHRIST!
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.
This to me supports this verse being the ‘he’ being THE ANTICHRIST!
9. ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION (ESV)
27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
This to me supports this verse being the ‘he’ being THE ANTICHRIST!
10. NEW ENGLISH TRANSLATION (NET)
27: He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. But in the middle of that week he will bring sacrifices and offerings to a halt. On the wing of abominations will come one who destroys, until the decreed end is poured out on the one who destroys.”
This to me supports this verse being the ‘he’ being THE ANTICHRIST!
11. THE INTERLINEAR BIBLE (Two versions King James Version & Bible in Basic English – The King James agrees with the 1611 Authorized Version & the Bible in Basic English doesn’t.
9:27 [kjv] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
9:27 [bbe] And a strong order will be sent out against the great number for one week; and so for half of the week the offering and the meal offering will come to an end; and in its place will be an unclean thing causing fear; till the destruction which has been fixed is let loose on him who has made waste.
Note: to me these two Bible version in number 11 oppose one another as far as who is 9:27 about Jesus or the Antichrist?
The Core question offering two sides to the same question in the same Bible makes no sense to me.
The Bible in Basic English (BBE) version opposes the King James Version (KJV) in my reading…so here is more confusion…another tare???
WORDS MATTER especially about a key End Times prophecy.
Thought this would interest some here.
That the bible was assembled by that era’s version of the United Nations should call to mind a consideration of the motives of these ones who gave us The Bible.
Who was assembled there?
What was the reason?
How was it decided?
What were the qualifications of those who made these decisions?
What scrolls were rejected and why?
What reason was behind the scrolls chosen?
And the overall question re the entire story?
Who told you?
Who benefits?
Seems to me, preachers push this stuff,
And the preacher benefits by being given a living
Sounds like a very strong case of Conflict of Interest, but what the hey… ..
As far as motive and names for the 1885 Revised King James changes completely corrupting the prophecy and so many other Bibles staying with it…the circumstances around that was explained in the link I put in by Dave Watchman.
It fits in snugly in this parable…the change and replacing Jesus with the Antichrist is a tare.
THE PARABLE OF THE SOWER
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2013&version=NKJV
Here is more with many links if you want to go deeper.
DANIEL 9:27 – THE MOST MISINTERPRETED PROPHECY IN THE BIBLE!
https://www.jamesjpn.net/basic-bible/daniel-927-the-most-misinterpreted-prophecy-in-the-bible/
What about the Nicean council?
Who what why when there?
I don’t think nicean council chose any books. They did say ‘hey we gotta quit letting priests chop their balls off’, so there is that.
Why did some books make the cut and not others? Combs cites three criteria that early church leaders used.
●The first was authorship, whether it was believed to have been written by an apostle, by Paul or by someone close to them. Mark, for example, wasn’t an apostle but an interpreter for Peter.
●The second criterium was antiquity, with older texts taking priority over newer ones.
●The third was orthodoxy, or how well the text conformed with current Christian teaching.
https://people.howstuffworks.com/books-of-bible.htm
They carefully selected books that fit a narrative.
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The earliest known manuscript of the New Testament was compiled in 73 AD. That’s over 250 years from the inception of the Nicean Council.
Even with a later dating in the 90 AD’s for the writing of Revelation, that still puts its creation two centuries before the council.
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
Had to give you an upvote Nony. No group of men can come to perfection in their conclusions. Many wanted the book of Enoch included in the Cannon. Many did not as the references to Jesus as The Messiah were too numerous and too specific. The Church fathers were very interested in proselytizing to the Jews and felt the Jews would reject Christ as Messiah if Enoch was included.
The Ethiopian Orthodox Church disagreed and kept Enoch in their Cannon.
The Scottish explorer James? Bruce brought the Ethiopian cannon to the West circa 1830. Enoch was introduced to us then. I hold Enoch to the satus of Cannon.
There is only one complete ancient language (non Ethiopian) of Enoch extant. It is in private hands and not subject to examination. However there are substantial fragments in the Dead Sea Scrolls which align with the Ethiopian text. There are also Enoch 2 and 3. These two are Anno Domini texts which are Cabbalistic. Enochian Magik is founded in Enoch 2 and 3.
Anyway you are correct in holding that politics were involved in the human run councils that decided the Cannon. I don’t think you’re correct in you personal conclusion to reject all scripture.
Mark, I think I follow you. I’m no scholar, but this is how I see. Daniel 9:26 tells us the antecedent to the ‘he’ in v. 27. is not the Messiah, but “the prince who is to come.” Note that ‘prince’ is not capitalized. The first ‘he’ in v. 27 should not be capitalized either, which correctly reflects the direct translation from Hebrew (no pronoun) to the Greek, thus ruling out Jesus, Who is always capitalized when referenced. And the only one remaining choice we have left is the ANTICHRIST, the predicate in v. 26. Am I in the ballpark here?
Daniel 9:24-27
King James Version
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The “prince that shall come”, the so-called AntiChrist, is never mentioned. It is the “people of the prince that shall come” that are mentioned in Verse 26, never this prince himself. That segment of the verse is fulfilled by Titus and the Romans, as he was effectively prince of the Empire at the time of the siege.
This portion of the prophecy states at the outset that it is not about some future cataclysm, rather “to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy”. That clearly describes actions Christ would fulfill with his sacrifice.
I highly recommend Philip Mauro’s book on this subject. It’s linked at the end of the article.
Will the Scot,
The basis of the difference in-between the first 5 Bibles wording of the verse and the next six I posted above…and who was involved with the change in 1885 as explained in the link below is the point of my original post.
This quote from it to me sealed the deal after I researched all the Bibles that came after the 1885 change (on my list above) and I saw how the 1885 change influenced them, and how this view was pushed in America…and gobbled up by the masses.
“Ask yourself which one did God say, because he didn’t say both! Did God say “confirm the covenant” (A.V.) or “make a firm covenant” (R.V.)? Friend don’t be deceived, there’s all the difference in the world between confirming (strengthening) the covenant (“the” existing Abrahamic covenant – Dan. 9:4, Ge. 17:1-8) as opposed to making “a” new covenant of peace with Israel for 7-years!
Next, notice how the end of verse 27 qualifies the “he” in the R.V. as the same person when you change the words to “the desolator” instead of the correct reading in the A.V. the desolate!
Let’s face it the one who does the desolating is totally opposite from the ones who are desolated, right?
Ask yourself again, which one did really God say, “the desolate” in A.V. or “the desolator” in the R.V.”?
http://www.prophecycountdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/The-Truth-of-Daniel-9-27-1.pdf
Now Will, I see your point in your response and I would say it is a good counter that I will have to research and maybe sleep in a few more Holiday Inns before answering…I can’t counter your counter off the top of my head. If I get time tonight I will do some more digging!
mark the mick/wop
Most of the Scofield brainwashed will not even read your article. Nice try, though. My mother-in-law is a classic example of brainwashed. She stands with Israel, right or wrong.
Mary,
I have five friends reading it right now…and it has made a serious impression on one so far as we have gone back and forth on it last night.
I will be giving it to both my pastors next Sunday…both of who I have robust discussions with about the Bible/prophecy…but we never argue, and are completely in respectful agreement on the basic core Gospel. One is Pre-Trib and the other (like me) is not.
What I posted is hard to dispute…I just wanted to warn those who are waiting for this corrupted verse to come to pass (in my current opinion) have fallen for a serious deception that is evident in many Bibles…that could have serious eternal consequences for some.
Of course the question that comes to my mind is where else in those Bibles were any more tares planted???
I did use the word “most”. That can mean anything under 50% but I doubt even that high. Remember I used to be like them before TBP. So did my husband so there is hope.
Mark, I’ve always had a problem with the “MY Gospel” believers, but that being said it is not a big deal as having never read the original Greek what would I know? Many people do not even realize that there were many fake letters/epistles written, Judas (not Jude) even had one even though he had killed himself. Imagine it reads like one of Lt.Colonel Vindman’s substack rants, but most likely more entertaining.
We can just be thankful we have a copy to read and study.
Ginger Snap,
I can’t read Greek (or even geek) either!
And there are many people on both sides of this one (Believers) who I agree with on the ‘Core GOSPEL’ and that is the real bottom line…but this…ahhhh dispute…among Believers…bothered me greatly as many are using what I believe is changed language in 1885 to look for an event that will never, ever happen.
Word TARES? Seeded in 1885?
Now…if I am wrong (won’t be the first time) and this event happens as the ‘changed words/implications’ – that started in 1885 – and contradicts thousands of years of previous revered theologians actually happens…I will retract all my posts above and humbly apologize.
But…if this obvious change in words that started in 1885 is a hissing deception…
I REBUKE IT!
Whether they listen or not isn’t up to me, although I sadly agree with your assessment on those odds.
Thankfully my family has been very receptive to these clear Biblical truths, and if nothing else, I count that as blessing.
Every mind changed is a blessing, Vet. I didn’t mean to be a Debbie Downer. Your essay is excellent. My MIL would say that it is all one man’s opinion. It’s very frustrating. None of our family will consider reading anything that goes against what they have believed for as long as they have been Christians. I think what made me have an open mind is I grew up going to a Catholic school and they do, or at least they did not at that time believe any of that nonsense. We were taught that Jesus would return at the Resurrection and that’s it.
My husband grew up a Baptist. I was lucky and blessed he would consider looking at the evidence that they were wrong.
“The destruction was so total, so complete, that travelers could not even tell that a great city had ever inhabited that land. ”
Which shows how poorly the Romans understood the jews. It would be like destroying a snake den, letting them scatter, and bringing some into your house, and thinking you solved the problem.
Meanwhile……….the “leader”……….the holy papa………of millions of cath-ho-licks continues to host FAGGOT DANCE parties from the “holy” city in the name of Christ !
Let this day begin a coming together of the goyim as one in a world of peace without the abuse.
May a thousand curses plague (((their))) houses and may they endure a thousand times the pain they have inflicted on humanity. sarc off
Something to consider is that there are multiple prophecies in the Old Testament that have both a near and a far fulfillment. It’s not out of the question, then, that Jesus the Messiah (the prime example of a prophecy being partially fulfilled in the near term with a far term, final fulfillment when He comes as the conquering messiah) would also give prophecies that had a near term fulfillment (in 70AD) with a yet-future fulfillment still waiting to happen.
This is included in Jesus’s prophetic words about what will occur in “this generation”:
Matthew 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Was this fulfilled? If you ask, most people aren’t even aware of the siege against Jerusalem in 70AD. How can this be the greatest tribulation the world had ever seen?
Was the siege of Jerusalem greater than the flood? I don’t see how. But the tribulation, described in Revelation certainly will be much worse. That tribulation will be worthy of being considered the worst ever as God’s wrath is poured out on the earth and those who refuse to believe in the work that Jesus did for them: paying the fine for their sins so that they might be saved.
Furthermore, the fig tree is often used as a symbol of Israel.
32 Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.
33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!
34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
The “this generation” in verse 34 clearly refers back to the fig tree that has sprouted leaves and is entering summer.
I’m certainly not a prophet myself, but I can see how this could easily be understood as referring to a time after Israel becomes a nation again, (see Ezek 37) with Jerusalem a part of that, being fulfilled. Maybe it’s not, but until much later in this century, for someone to dogmatically say this isn’t what Jesus was saying, is the height of hubris.
God’s timing and prophetic calendar is His own. Who are we to say we understand it better than He? Let Christians remain humble, eagerly waiting for the appearing of our Savior, however that ends up playing out.
And in the meantime, I pray that non-Christians will consider that there is something to all this – the fact that Israel became a nation in one day (as prophecied in Isaiah 66:8, more than 2600 years before it happened!) should at a minimum make them pause and wonder.
Everyone thinks they are “good enough” to get to heaven and avoid going to hell. Yet if you ask them, they’ll confirm that heaven can’t have sin in it and still be heaven. The requirement for entry to heaven, therefore, is to be perfect. No one (excepting Jesus himself) is perfect. So for God to let them into heaven “as is”, so to speak, would be to let sin into heaven. So humanly, there is no possibility of getting to heaven. Our good works aren’t good enough, and the good, no matter how good, can’t outweigh the sin, which can’t be present in heaven.
Titus 3:5-8 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
There is only one way to get eternal life, and that is for your sin to be atoned for, to be blotted out. And the only way to accomplish that is by accepting the sacrifice of Jesus for yourself. It’s not what you do, it’s what He did for you.
Why don’t people want to do this? It’s because of pride – they want to do it themselves, and it’s because they love their sin – they don’t want to give it up. Yet if they understood the price that Jesus paid to save their soul, they would have so much gratitude that they would gladly repent of their sin. It would be vile not to. And should they sin again, as they reconsider what Jesus did for them, they would stop the instant they recognized it, and repent again.
Do it before it’s too late. The branch of the fig tree is already tender and has leaves; summer is near. There might not be much time. Confess to God that you are a sinner, and that you need His Son’s work for you to be saved.
“Let Christians remain humble, eagerly waiting for the appearing of our Savior, however that ends up playing out.”
take your own advice then
the height of hubris is explaining how only your specific religion will lead to heaven or avoiding hell or whatever, everyone else is a vile sinner, etc.
Well put.
It’s not a religion; it’s a relationship.
So “this generation” doesn’t mean “this generation”? It actually means some future generation, thousands of years from now?
It’s logically fallacies like this that made Scofieldism untenable for me.
The siege of Jerusalem was considered the fulfillment of the “great tribulation” for nearly the entirety of church history. The Great Tribulation of Matthew 24 is clearly referring to this time period. The clear reading of the text, in its proper context, supports that conclusion. Matthew 24:4-20 is explicitly directed towards the apostles, not some future generation. Additionally, to divorce Matthew 24 from the context of Matthew 23 is simply bad hermeneutics.
Most people couldn’t name their state Capitol. They couldn’t name a battle from 20 years ago, let alone 2000. That pastors and shepherds have neglected and forsaken these timeless truths in favor of Scofield and his sensational lies does not change the truth of the horror that was visited upon Jerusalem in 70 AD. If this sounds outlandish to you, it is only because the modern church has utterly untethered itself from two millennia of tradition.
I encourage you to watch Pastor Baldwin’s sermon on the destruction of Jerusalem to get a proper understanding of the great tribulation that was visited upon that city.
The Bible was assembled by a fourth century version Bill Clinton and his jolly band of usurers.
Fourth century Klaus Schwab.
I nearly lost my faith because that verse never made sense to me. I believe Bertram Russel said the same thing.
I nearly lost my faith
I nearly came to my senses
FIFY.
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This was most excellent and spot on overall! My how the world, especially Christian Zionists (you can’t be a true Christian and a Zionist!), have been deceived!
We all really need to do more homework. The people in Israel are NOT Hebrews, nor are they the Israelites from the Bible. They have almost ZERO connection, in fact, the Palestinians have more genetic connection than the current people who call themselves Jewish.
Contrary to what you might be thinking after all the above, I have nothing but love for good Israeli and Jewish people, many True Torah and Messianic Jews. On the other hand, the Zionist government of Israel and the radical ideology or “spiritual law” they subscribe to (the Babylonian Talmud aka Pharisaism or Pharisaic Law), is a completely different story.
“The Pharisees, Scribes, Elders and Priests of Israel were great enemies of Jesus Christ. It was they who led the people to crucify Christ and persecute and kill His apostles. The teachings and doctrines of these men would later be collected in the Talmud.”
That’s right. Contrary to what we’ve always been told, we are not even talking about supporting “God’s chosen people” here! Check this video where Bibi Netanyahu jokingly admits this himself. It has become clear (and this can be researched and verified), that we are dealing with an incredible case of hijacked identity here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpGbAH51rzY
It’s vitally important to understand that:
Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Samaritan, and European Jews are not Hebrews! The people in Israel today are not even remotely related to the Israelites of the Bible. See, Are Jews the Israelites of the Bible?
For that matter, let’s take this a big step further. Most Christians today were taught to believe that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, when he was really a Judahite. He was foremost the Son of God, but in the flesh, He was a Hebrew from the tribe of Judah: hence a Judahite or Judean, not a Jew. The modern connotation the word “Jew”points to someone who follows and adheres to a faith similar to that of the Pharisees of Judah, but is not of the tribe and stock of Judah.
In other words, Jews are people from nations other than the 12 Hebrew tribes who practice a religion known as Judaism/Pharisaism, the doctrine of the Pharisees. My how have we been fooled.
“…behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David…” Revelation 5:5
Furthermore, one can fairly easily research and conclude that those today known as Jews are not of the lineage of Jacob, (rather largely descended from Turkic, Edomite and Khazarian lineage) and therefore actually have no right to the land of Palestine!
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23241444/
It’s time for us all to wake up to the truth of what we’re truly dealing with here, no matter how uncomfortable or controversial. The truth is the truth. The Bible (as so well stated in this article), makes it quite clear.
Mo- The joos are the “chosen”, they just fail to reveal which god. I am speaking of Zionists here, Zionism is satanism. They ARE the chosen of their Lord Satan.
On several occasions I have been told, “we are God’s chosen”, to which each time I replied…..Which god?
Whaaaa . . ahh . . huh ?
Some of dem who claims to be joos iz not joos. felz free to …….Whaaaa…..ahh….huh?
So John the Baptist was Elijah’s second coming. The rest of the world calls that Reincarnated. I thought only them heathanous Hindus and Buddhists were reborn.
Psalm 96:5-6
5 O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.
6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
Grunge- So are you saying we should look for a second demolition of Judea?
Are we waiting for the 70AD lesson to be inflicted again? That is what I am trying to understand.
I’m hoping God is about ready to thump some heads.
70AD was justice……… from God.
Did they hold him long in the Halls of Mandos?
The Jalls of medijine.
All of us are reborn if we have any karma left to account for at the time of our death …
Yes, the Spiritual truths are non denominational and only accessible to those who are willing to find it. Was funning with those that think it matters what faith you are.
Agreed AKJohn!
~gvl
AA,
The definition of karma as defined by Wester’s Dictionary is, “The force generated by a person’s actions held in Hinduism and Buddhism to perpetuate transmigration and in its ethical consequences to determine the nature of the person’s next existence.”
The foundation of karma is from Hinduism. However, the term has become so mainstream that it is used casually in American culture.
The phrase karma was founded in Hinduism and Buddhism. It has become more of a popular phrase in American culture over the past couple of years. Celebrities are trendsetters.
If someone believes in karma, what does he (you) think if someone gets cancer, or someone is in a car accident, or what does he believe if someone gets a bad grade but actually studied hard for a test?
Karma is a dangerous belief because it can cause a spirit of judgment on those who struggle, it creates a feeling of shame and condemnation if we ourselves suffer, and it places our destinies upon our own works.
Just saying buddy.
You do not understand rebirth.
Applying the official interpretation will never get you there.
Karma would be better interpreted as “reputation”
Try it through that lens buddy…
Ex:
My ability to play guitar was born at age ten.
If I had done something stupid and lost an arm before that, my “Karma” would prevent me from playing the guitar with two hands.
Ex:
I smoked tobacco and worked in a cancer factory for 30 years, then got cancer.
The decisions to deliberately pollute the body by smoking AND staying on a toxic work environment delivered the karma of sickness and early death.
There is no ‘return path’ other than passing on your heritage to a descendant.
Not my down vote No Name…nor my lens…
Where karma is the foundation for living, perfectionism will grind people down to nubs.
The belief that the better you behave and live, then the better your life will be is plain unrealistic.
The sad thing is that people who believe in this way of living are putting their hope that all of their successes and blessings are attributed to their own good works…and works verses grace is another concept.
You are looking at it all wrong. I studied for my test. Therefore, I passed. I worked hard and had discipline. Therefore I paid off my house. I took care of my body. I am therefore healthy. I spent my time reading about the MRNA vaccine. Therefore, I did not take it. I could go on forever. The understanding of Karma is part of responsibility, and how you earn your way to Spiritual Freedom. I have practiced it for over 40 years and it works. A big part of it is doing your prayer, meditation, and or contemplation. This always starts with a spiritual reading. Jesus called this seek ye first the Kingdom of God. The understanding of cause and effect/Karma is the understanding of life and God. There is no other way to Spiritual attainment. All paths lead to the understanding of Karma. Until you get this there is no spiritual attainment.
I respectfully completely disagrre AK…and here is why:
Karma is a theological concept found in the Buddhist and Hindu religions…period.
It is the idea that how you live your life will determine the quality of life you will have after reincarnation. If you are unselfish, kind, and holy during this lifetime, you will be rewarded by being reincarnated (reborn into a new earthly body) into a pleasant life. However, if you live a life of selfishness and evil, you will be reincarnated into a less-than-pleasant lifestyle. In other words, you reap in the next life what you sow in this one. Karma is based on the theological belief in reincarnation.
The Bible rejects the idea of reincarnation; therefore, it does not support the idea of karma.
Hebrews 9:27 states, “Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment…” This Bible verse makes clear two important points which, for Christians, negate the possibility of reincarnation and karma. First, it states that we are “destined to die once,” meaning that humans are only born once and only die once. There is no endless cycle of life and death and rebirth, an idea inherent in the reincarnation theory. Second, it states that after death we face judgment, meaning that there is no second chance, like there is in reincarnation and karma, to live a better life. You get one shot at life and living it according to God’s plan, and that is it.
The Bible talks a lot about reaping and sowing. Job 4:8 says, “As I have observed, those who plow evil and those who sow trouble reap it.”
Psalm 126:5 says, “Those who sow in tears will reap with songs of joy.”
Luke 12:24 says, “Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds!”
In each of these instances, as well as all the other references to reaping and sowing, the act of receiving the rewards of your actions takes place in this life, not in some future life. It is a present-day activity, and the references make it clear that the fruit you reap will be commensurate with the actions you have performed. In addition, the sowing you perform in this life will affect your reward or punishment in the afterlife.
This afterlife is not a rebirth or a reincarnation into another body here on earth. It is either eternal suffering in hell (Matthew 25:46) or eternal life in heaven with Jesus, who died so that we might live eternally with Him. This should be the focus of our life on earth.
The apostle Paul wrote in Galatians 6:8-9, “The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.”
Finally, it was Jesus whose death on the cross resulted in the reaping of eternal life for us, and that it is faith in Jesus that gives us this eternal life. Ephesians 2:8-9 tells us, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.”
The concept of reincarnation and karma is incompatible with what the Bible teaches about life, death, and the sowing and reaping of eternal life.
You are very wrong about Karma not being compatible with the Bible teaching. You reap what you sow and Karma is one and the same. Jesus was initiated and taught by the Varaigi adepts of Eckankar. Then he taught the world what he knew of the spiritual truths. Look that up in your Webster.
Ok…
What do Eckists believe? What is Eckankar?
https://www.compellingtruth.org/Eckankar.html
Karma is simply cause and effect. You will reap what you sow. This is what Jesus and all the spiritual adepts have taught since the dawns of time. The Hindus add in Reincarnation. Going to google for a definitions is like asking Fauchi if you should take the vax.
Mark is stuck.
He doesn’t realize he is stuck.
But stuck he is.
Mark it is a road to life.
The teaching tools are not the lesson.
They point to the lesson.
But you have to cross the river yourself.
Trust me, you can not bring anyone with you.
They all have to crossover on their own.
Allegory mark.
Look to the allegory!
What is the bigger story the bible points towards?
As long as you continue to believe the bible as if it were verbatom history?
You will NEVER comprehend the truth.
Your God will remain a “mystery” while I commune with my God daily.
Who gives a shit about all this biblical mumbo jumbo? Just be at peace inside and don’t be fooled or give into the jews’ bullshit stories.
Be IN this world (the jews’ sole domain) and able to navigate it competently, while not being OF it. Get it?
Sometimes a tough tightrope to walk, but that’s the challenge of it. It’s fun, try it.
Ahhh…KJ (not my downvote)…sometimes the devil is in your face…and sometimes ‘he’ (every pun intended) is in the “biblical mumbo jumbo” details…so to speak buddy.
You’ve written at least 3 novel-length comments of biblical bullshit just in this comments section alone. Is quoting this nonsense really all you have to do with your time?
And you’re not the only one out there. No wonder we’re fucked.
I’m ‘Reality’ Doug and I approve that message.
There can be no firm (read: real) common ground with such mental invalids. Only a common enemy with ascendance can create an common pickle, but pickle is not ground. When these morans talk about wielding the weapon of the Gospel, their true nature is exposed. When these morans talk about the Almighty, their true nature is exposed.
Incidentally, I have come to the conclusion that to be an organism in this world is necessarily to be of this world. If you are going to reject the Jews’ bullshit, reject it fully. They can work any scrap of trust or complacency. They make Hardscrabble Farmer look like a desultory hobbyist.
Mark?
How do we know the devil exists?
Because of sin?
Do we see the devil sin?
No we see people sin.
The only evidence for the devil, is people behaving badly.
So, people ARE THE DEVIL when they do bad things.
The devil, is a teaching metaphor used to brand anti social behaviors as bad, satanic.
Nothing more.
Of all the texts in the new testament that came under attack,
and is attacked by critics even to this day, was the Olivet Discourse. Particularly, Mathews gospel
The text says, Christ makes a prediction specifically about the Jewish temple and the city of Jerusalem
It’s recorded in the gospel of Matthew that the day is coming where not one stone would be left upon another.
Jerusalem would be surrounded and defeated
. . . and so on
. . . and that the Son of Man would also come in glory
And His disciples asked Him,
When will these things take place?
And in direct response to them, He said,
These statements by Christ in Mathew’s gospel are unambiguous, straightforward, and clear. He said the three things He’s predicting, the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem, the Son of Man’s return, and all of these will take place in a framework of a single human generation, which in jewish term means approx. 40 years
Christ’s crucifixion took place in around 30 A.D
One would expect the outer limits of that prophecy to be 70 A.D which happens to be the recorded historical date of the temple and city’s destruction.
The popular criticism is that, granted the temple and Jerusalem was destroyed, it occurred in the timeframe prophesied,
but 2 out of 3 isn’t good enough
I’m familiar with the chit chat of the standing western wall built by the Romans, and not a remnant of the Herodian temple. . .
Still doesn’t make any difference if the prophesy was 1 out of 3 or 2 out of 3
I haven’t read the comments yet to see if anyone else has pointed this out, but in case they haven’t, here goes.
The Temple was destroyed in 70 AD for two very important reasons. The most important of these is that it was no longer necessary. The purpose of Jesus sacrifice on the cross meant that one of the most important functions of the Temple was made irrelevant. The other reason the Temple was destroyed was that it eliminated a focal gathering place for the Jews who were dispersed by the Roman conquest of Jerusalem. The destruction of the Temple eliminated a powerful rallying point for the Jews who were scattered throughout the world.
What a master class in Christian (post-Jewish) bullshit! If I wanted to read the Bible, I would. Your Jew Jesus clearly stated in muh Gospel that all these things up to the Second Coming and End Times would pass before some then-living generation would pass from natural existence. It’s been a few lifetimes in the nearly 2K years since. Keeping the faith. ✝
A scathing Divine indictment it was.
We are more wicked and eviler than those days – or maybe not.
Lord Jesus can’t come back soon enough for Auntie. And FJB.