Thank You, Mr. Trump, Part 1

Trump deserves gratitude for mentioning the unmentionables.

Guest post by Robert Gore at Straight Line Logic

December 2014, SLL posted an article: “Can’t Wait For That Next Election.” The article argued the positions of the two front-runners at that time—Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton—were virtually indistinguishable.

Other than which campaign contributors get paid off, there would be very little difference between the potential presidencies of Jeb and Hillary. Commentators and opinion organs masquerading as news outlets will champion their guy or gal, and hyperventilate about perceived sins of the other side’s gal or guy, but when you get right down to actual policies, there has been little difference between Republicans and Democrats for many years; they are both the parties of government. It gets bigger, spends more, piles new programs on top of failed old ones, sticks its nose anywhere on the planet it sees fit, makes more promises, and goes deeper in debt. None of that is going to change—Jeb or Hillary—and the permanent Washington oligarchy and its dependents are fine with either one.

The first of the article’s two closing sentences was spot on, the second dead wrong.

The prospect of a Jeb-Hillary election should put the body politic in the same frame of mind as a restless teenager, ready to do something rash, dangerous, and destructive, just to relieve the tedium. That, unfortunately, is giving the body politic far too much credit.

A year-and-a-half later, critics denigrate Donald Trump as restless teenagers’ car keys and beer. Even those more sympathetic to Trump’s candidacy have identified emotional factors as the primary basis of his support (see “Much More Than Trump,” SLL, and “‘Dilbert’ Creator’s 6 Reasons Why Trump Will “Win In A Landslide” In November,” by Scott Adams). That’s not incorrect, but Trump has dramatically altered the terms of debate on the playing field that all right-thinking, civic-minded Americans believe that elections should be waged: the issues. Support or oppose him, Trump has performed a public service, mentioning the unmentionables that our minders and keepers would rather avoid (for the good of the people, of course).

Immigration has been a blessing for America. Seeking an opportunity to build better lives for themselves and their families, millions have flocked to this country and helped make America great. A substantial number of immigrants to this country today are similarly motivated, but some are not. Since the Industrial Revolution heyday of immigration, the US has erected a welfare state, conducted a futile war on drugs, and intervened extensively in Latin American political affairs. Currently, some immigrants come for the freebies, some to ply the drug trade and engage in criminal acts, and some to escape turmoil and intolerable conditions in their own countries.

A nation going broke providing freebies to its own citizens cannot afford them for non-citizens. A nation that criminalizes drugs creates an economic risk premium for dealing in those drugs, which is especially attractive for the relatively impoverished in Latin America. A nation that helps make conditions intolerable in other countries may be confronted with escaping refugees (as Europe has discovered). Those are simple, indisputable facts.

There has been no shortage of commentators pointing out these facts—for years, even decades—but by definition, even if their audiences were in the millions they were “fringe.” Back in late 2014, immigration reform—a “path to citizenship,” de facto amnesty, and meaningless promises of tighter border security—was the prevailing mantra, chanted by both parties’ candidates, endorsed by all right-thinking pundits as necessary to secure the increasingly important Latino vote (support from Republicans was paradoxical—most immigrants vote for Democrats). There would be no immigration issue because dissenting views were marginalized or suppressed, and the “solution” to the problem was a done deal regardless of who was elected.

Then Donald Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and proposed building a wall at the border, funded by Mexico. The epithet and proposal were outrageous, but the concerns of millions of Americans had been ignored or dismissed as racist and xenophobic. It took something outrageous to get those concerns on the table and force the Cloud People to pay attention. They did so not out of any solicitude for the unwashed, the Dirt People, but because Trump jumped to the top of the polls. Immigration will be a front burner issue through the general election, and attacks on Trump supporters by Mexican-flag-waving thugs will only help his cause. He doesn’t even have to say: “What did I tell you?” It’s implied.

Like open immigration, free trade has been distorted beyond recognition by governments. In a free world, a decision either to migrate or trade across the artificial construct known as a border would be recognized as an act of self-interest that should not be hindered. Today’s decidedly unfree world means that so-called free trade arrangements augment the power and wealth of governments and their cronies at the expense of everyone else, just as “open immigration” expands welfare states with resultant political and economic advantages for the few.

Again, with rhetoric and proposals designed to roil the elite and agitate the electorate, Trump has exposed the sham of “free” trade. Real free trade among two or more countries would not be negotiated in secret and add thousand-page agreements, plus thousands more pages of implementing regulations, to a world already drowning in laws and regulations. A real free trade agreement would reduce laws and regulations—tariffs and trade barriers—and there would be no need to negotiate it in secret.

Real free trade increases the US’s economic well-being. By definition, two parties don’t engage in voluntary trade unless both parties benefit. However, present trade agreements have facilitated outsourcing of manufacturing and jobs. David Stockman persuasively argues that they are part of a one-two punch, the other punch being anti-deflationary monetary policies, that have frozen real incomes for decades (see his four-part series, “Losing Ground in Flyover America.”

Trump has broken through the mainstream narrative, highlighting the ongoing deterioration of the American economy and resonating with the millions who have been living through it. SLL has argued that since 2000, we’ve been in the midst of a Humungous Depression, an argument not confirmed by Wall Street’s and Washington’s statistic mills, but which finds support in Trump’s ascent. (Interested readers are referred to the linked article and SLL’s Debtonomics Archive.) Trump has struck a chord with his criticism of the economy, and by implication, statistic mills, equity markets, and the media that paint a much rosier picture than the one his supporters see.

This is Part One of “Thank you, Mr. Trump.” Part Two will be posted in a few days.

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indigentandindignant
indigentandindignant
June 8, 2016 2:06 pm

Threadjack

Trump supporters welcome
If you are on the way to americade this week via route 8, stop at harryville fora drink, some food or free camping
Its a party
Its all about hospitality
You cant miss us
Signs are out
Bikers welcome

bb
bb
June 8, 2016 2:54 pm

A little off topic but important. I just got back an upscale restaurant. No not Burger king. I was seated between a foreigner who loved talking loud on his cell phone and a young couple who loved listening to their small children scream , yell and cry.I set there for about 20 minutes then finally ask myself what would
1) Stucky do ..He would get up yell if you Rude God Damn bastards done stop this noise I going to throw you and your cell phone out the door and that Damn screaming kid out the window.

What would 2)Admin do ..He would set patiently and keep eating because it was a really good food.
What would 3) Francis Marion do..nicely ask for a to go box ,pay his bill and leave.

bb
bb
June 8, 2016 3:03 pm

I sit there for a little longer and it hit me like a bolt of lightning . When I was 20 years old nothing like noise would have mattered . I loved loud music , tv ,bars ,and loud parties. I realized the problem wasn’t the children ,the cell phone or the noise. The problem was me.I’m in pain ,I’m getting old and as a result cranky. That’s my adventure for today. Now I’m going to stay in my hotel room and watch TV.

Robert Core , excellent commentary .Carry on my good Man.

Administrator
Administrator
Admin
  bb
June 8, 2016 3:16 pm

bb

Do you purposely get Robert’s name wrong every time?

rhs jr
rhs jr
June 8, 2016 3:46 pm

Can’t wait for Trump’s Criminal-Clinton speech next week and the movie Hillary’s America in July. If the Red Queen of Hearts wins, she will send her goons for our guns. I would so love to debate Bill and Harpy at the same time in a 20X20 ft ring; their screwing US days would be over in less than 3 minutes.

yahsure
yahsure
June 8, 2016 3:53 pm

I don’t see anything about Trump having a sane view on drugs.I don’t see pot being made legal.
The one glimmer of hope is that Trump mentions letting states decide for themselves about issues.
I do enjoy his mentioning of getting rid of unconstitutional agency’s.Making countrys help pay for our military being there. He says lots of good stuff.

starfcker
starfcker
June 8, 2016 5:03 pm

Overall, I like the piece. We have a few major differences. Paragraph 4. “Immigration has been a blessing for america”. I call bullshit. Save the political correctness, Robert, unless you can offer more than platitudes. Not in my lifetime, and i’m 56. Like hardscrabble, my intent is always to improve the herd. Immigration has been doing the opposite at least since 1965. I think you misread the war on drugs. If it’s futile, it’s by design. Letting billions of dollars flow south without having to go through congress works for everyone but americans, obama chose not to prosecute the banks openly laundering that money, remember?

starfcker
starfcker
June 8, 2016 5:08 pm

“Real free trade increases the US’s economic well being.” Again, I call bullshit. I believe america is strongest when the system for spreading means through society is productive employment. We gain nothing by giving that employment away to other countries. Slaves are always going to be more profitable than employees. Think it through.

Gator
Gator
June 8, 2016 5:21 pm

@star, Immigration was just different, many years ago. I agree with you about the majority of todays immigrants, but it wasn’t always like that. People came to the US because it was ‘the land of opportunity’, they came here to work. Nowadays, the US is the land of the free shit, and thats why people come here. Ive said before, my wife is hispanic, comes from a nice two person family that have worked their entire lives. Her parents were born in PR, she was born here. They all support trump. They also have a lot of older friends, especially elderly cubans. They all support trump. When they came here in the 50s and 60s, it was because their countries were going down the shitter. There was no welfare hammock back then. You came here and got a job and worked or you had no place to live and no food to eat. So thats what they did. There wasn’t another option, unless you consider starving on the streets an option. They see this country being turned into the same socialist hellholes they were lucky enough to escape from, and don’t want to see that happen. Personally, I think we are headed that way regardless of who wins. There is too much debt, too many people incapable of supporting themselves for that to happen, but thats a topic for another post.

The problems you have is that the older people who came here in the 50s and 60s came here to become Americans, to assimilate. These third world animals you see attacking people and waving the mexican flag at an American political event are an entirely different animal. Older, conservative hispanics, especially the non-mexican ones, HATE these people and the SJWs that enable them. Trust me, I know a bunch of them. I’ve heard some version of “if they hate it here so much and america is so racist why don’t they just go back to where they came from and leave us the hell alone” more times than I can count. They hate them not just because they think of themselves as Americans, first and foremost, but also because they don’t want to see themselves associated with that kind of filth and painted with the same brush. They were getting onto me, numerous times, when I told them that under no circumstances would I vote for Rick Scott, that I was voting for the LP candidate, who was actually a really good one. I heard “a vote for him might as well be a vote for charlie crist” about as many times ans Ive heard by not voting or voting LP I might as well vote for hillary. They know how I am with guns, and always tell me ‘if you wanna keep ’em Id better cut it out and vote for republicans’.

nkit
nkit
June 8, 2016 5:30 pm

Starfcker..real free trade has nothing to do with jobs going to foreign countries. Real free trade is simply trade without tariffs, quotas and such. NAFTA, TPP and all the other bullshit so-called “free trade agreements” have nothing to do with free trade. The left has stolen the words “free trade” much as they stole the word “liberal” and now we use it as an opprobrium against them – same with free trade. If Japan puts a tariff or a quota on U.S. made cars and Odickhead responds with a 40% tariff on Japanese made tires, then that is hardly “free trade”. They just sell their NWO plans as “free trade”. Bullshit.

bb
bb
June 8, 2016 7:33 pm

Yes Admin , I purposely get his name wrong. It’s my way of poking the bear.

Robert , Admin is thinking to much .

starfcker
starfcker
June 8, 2016 9:43 pm

Robert. Tell that to Apple. As a result of having slaves instead of employees, they have a quarter trillion dollars in the bank.

starfcker
starfcker
June 8, 2016 9:45 pm

And to answer your question, Foxconn, Apple’s slave labor division, has 1.2 million slaves.

starfcker
starfcker
June 8, 2016 9:52 pm

Here you go, Robert. Enjoy.

The Fruit Company

Full Retard
Full Retard
June 8, 2016 10:07 pm

Nobody asked but I’m not sure I support any of the candidates. However, I sahll know for sure after the elction,when I will feel the elation of victory or the deapiar of defeat. Then I will know if I’m a flaming liberal or an old grouch.. Until then, I shal continue to carp about this whole national obsession with the job applicants.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 8, 2016 11:17 pm

EC

I am on a mission from God to help someone out. Totally behind on all the exciting news about the election. Last I saw Hitlery had the nomination hijacked and was taking heat for wearing a 15K designer jacket while she talked about poor people. Will be going back to KY soon.

Full Retard
Full Retard
June 9, 2016 12:29 am

Good luck, Bea. The best attitude is one of cynicism. Despair comes naturally and hope dies a grisly death. Good thing I’m practiced at being cynical, thereby avoiding disappointment. I agree with LLPOH, no president can fix this thing. Back in the 90’s Clinton said it was the economy. Then you fast forward a few decades and we find out it was equal access to toilets that was what a president most urgently needed to fix. But that was low hanging fruit, the illegal issue can’t be fixed and it won’t be fixed, it’s the goose that lays the golden votes.

Another thing that can’t be fixed as LLPOH said, is the deficit. They can keep slicing the pie ever thinner but it’s still a dwindling pie.

So, the only thing America gains from this whole drama is a new face in the WH, not that it will put more beans on the table. But some folks are easily pleased, they’ll be happy sucking Caucasian dick instead of black dick. I guess it makes a difference whose lying to you.

We will probably see this light/dark phase shift from here on out. It used to be Dem/Rep but now it’ll be an alternating black and white guy in office.

What is Hillary promoting? another first; after first balc we get first woman president, then we shall get first transgender, first pedophile and so on.

All the while, the oligarchs will sell the country out from under the citizenry.

Ah, fuck it.

Peter Harris
Peter Harris
June 9, 2016 1:10 am

bb says:

“A little off topic but important. I just got back an upscale restaurant. No not Burger king. I was seated between a foreigner who loved talking loud on his cell phone and a young couple who loved listening to their small children scream , yell and cry.I set there for about 20 minutes then finally ask myself what would
1) Stucky do ..He would get up yell if you Rude God Damn bastards done stop this noise I going to throw you and your cell phone out the door and that Damn screaming kid out the window.

What would 2)Admin do ..He would set patiently and keep eating because it was a really good food.
What would 3) Francis Marion do..nicely ask for a to go box ,pay his bill and leave.”

Or 4: Go to your local Co-op, if you have one, or something similar.
Buy the raw ingredients, go home and make a nice home-cooked meal yourself.
It’s more healthy and nutritious, and self satisfying knowing that you have cooked something yourself.

starfcker
starfcker
June 9, 2016 2:03 am

First off, gator, i agree with you completely. But that is a different subject entirely. I did say since 1965, so we aren’t talking about the same thing. Nkit, under your definition of free trade, we would still lose our employment. So it doesn’t matter how you want to define it. It still kills america. Bea, where have you been? I had some fun at your expense, and you weren’t around to enjoy it. Bums me out.

starfcker
starfcker
June 9, 2016 2:09 am

Are you capable of answering direct questions, Robert? Let’s see. Immigration has been a blessing for america. Really? How? Make your case. Are we better off with more low IQ 3rd world types clogging up the schools and hospitals and welfare offices. How is that a blessing? Personally, i prefer a less crowded, law abiding, polite society where people get what they need through effort. Get back to me. This should be interesting.

starfcker
starfcker
June 9, 2016 2:17 am

Let’s do drugs next. Do you think drugs should be legal? I’m from miami. I know more more about the drug trade than any white man you’ll ever meet. I’ve seen the upside, the downside, i’ve seen people get rich, and i’ve seen them die, both violently and overdose. And i’ve seen it economically pump up, yet ultimately destroy the region I love. The war on drugs isn’t futile, it’s a farce. Answer if you can, why do we continue to allow the money to be openly laundered?

starfcker
starfcker
June 9, 2016 2:30 am

You are mistaken. I don’t hate the government. I hate corrupt scumbag companies like Apple that contribute nothing, and drain us dry. You offer nothing on trade except antiquated b-school boilerplate. I’ll keep it short. If you agree with the fairytale that corporations exist only to make their shareholders money, who owns that money in apple’s offshore accounts? Why can’t they get their hands on their property? Yeah, foxconn, great company. Please. Tech companies in the US pander to keep their employees happy, foxconn puts up nets to keep them from jumping off the roof and killing themselves.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
June 9, 2016 6:42 am

Robert,

I think you’re a great addition to TBP, but I do think you are mistaken about a lot of old, timewron tropes and cliches about America- especially the one about immigration. I contend that colonization made America great, immigration has helped, at times, but overall it has been a net loss, especially in all of our lifetimes. We could have closed the borders tight in 1920 and never opened them again and we’d be ten times the country we are now.

You wrote-

“Do you think that you, or most other human beings, are more productive when whips and torture are your “motivators,” and not incentives and self-interest? Do you think that’s the case for the most productive human beings?”

Sounds like you got that right out of Howard Zinn’s fiction of American history. Think for a moment about how the average slave was likely handled when they were the labor source for agriculture. Does a farmer beat his tractor and slash it’s tires to make it work? Or lock his tools up in a dark shed to show them who is boss? Don’t be ridiculous. The vast majority of chattel were indeed treated like family or livestock- with respect and humanely. They were fed and housed and cared for and worked and played with and among the families of the owners. NOTICE TO LLPOH, this is not an endorsement of slavery, far from it, I think that the consequences were ruinous for this country and it sealed our fate long term, only now is the bitter harvest coming to fruition. But the fact remains that for the very few examples of “whips and torture”, most slaves were necessary to the success and function of the businesses and estates of the owners. The vast majority of slaves were held in very limited number, like most people own cars today. For every Jay Leno collection there are fifty million who own one, maybe two. The costs associated with caring for other human beings, the relationships that developed between owner and slave working side by side, the nature of humans in general did not skew to sadistic and homicidal sociopathy, but to benevolence and responsibility.

Again, huge mistake to have done it, bigger mistake to have failed to repatriate after emancipation, but silly to continue promoting the fiction of slavery being some kind of nationwide version of Hostel or Saw.

overthecliff
overthecliff
June 9, 2016 9:31 am

Many empires do not die in a flash of violence. They rot from within until the shell slowly collapses. The USA has been in the latter category since at least the time of LBJ. We have long since past the point of no return. LLPOH is so right, it can’t be fixed. Like Rome we are on a long descent into a Dark Age and a whole new world order.

Dutchman
Dutchman
June 9, 2016 9:35 am

If the US didn’t have slavery, then most of the Neegrows would still be in Africa, instead of Chicago / Philly / Detroit / etc. Tell that to the BLM folks.

Maggie
Maggie
June 9, 2016 9:38 am

Do you really believe that, “Slaves are always going to be more profitable than employees”? Do you Robert Gore, I think you write good. But sometimes, what you write seems to come from a propagandistic textbook I was assigned in a Diplomatic History class. When I first exited the military and returned to college, I had a bit of the mindset that those in authority positions should get the benefit of the doubt before being branded as morons. I found that I tried to fine tune my writing to reflect and echo the prose in the books my professors assigned me.

I got over it. And, I think, if you are just starting to write opinion pieces instead of research-based projects, you will get over it too. Bravo!

For example, let me bring a particularly interesting paragraph I found and then revise it like I would see it read.

[Do you think that you, or most other human beings, are more productive when whips and torture are your “motivators,” and not incentives and self-interest? Do you think that’s the case for the most productive human beings? In 1835 Alexis de Tocqueville noted the difference in ambition, energy, and industriousness between free Ohio and slave-owning Kentucky. The average person works harder and is far more profitable, whether self-employed or employed by somebody else, when he or she is paid rather than coerced. For the most productive, it is no contest. Aside from the cotton gin, few inventions that powered the Industrial Revolution came from the antebellum south, and the inventor of the cotton gin was from Massachusetts. How many world-changing innovations came from Nazi Germany, or any communist nation? Progress is the province of free people, not slaves. Perhaps you should think it through, and maybe do some research as well. Start by checking out the world’s most profitable companies. How many “slaves” work for Apple and Google?]

My version:

Do whips and torture motivate the individual to produce more than incentive and self-interest? When de Tocqueville compared the production of free Ohio to that of slave-owning Kentucky, the ambition, energy, and industriousness in Ohio was obvious. Everybody works harder when they are performing for their own purposes. It is also of note that the only invention powering the Industrial Revolution from the antebellum south, the cotton gin, was invented by someone from Massachusetts. Is there any technical advancement you can think of that came from Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union pre-Cold War or any other collectivist nation? Free people exercise free thought, which inspires invention.

Good topics and great comments on your stuff, which is the main thing.

Gator
Gator
June 9, 2016 11:29 am

I blame the US government for what Apple and others do. It is in their own self interest to do so. The people running Apple et. al. have a duty to their shareholders, first and foremost. Thats what they are paid to do, maximize shareholder value. The way they do that is by not giving nearly 40% of their money to the US government, the most predatory institution around. Why do I blame the US government for what Apple does? Because they have made it prohibitively expensive to hire US workers. Jobs that can be done by dull functionaries will be done by dull functionaries, who will be paid like dull functionaries. Not everyone is worth what the government demands you pay them, just the way it is. Complaining about things like obamacare and insanely high taxes and then complaining about what apple does are contrary in nature. This recent push for a 15$ minimum wage for burger flippers will just add to this.

As to the rest of what robert said, about funding a government Im not terribly fond of, I also don’t care for that very reason. In my view, the proper role of government, if there is one, is a military that only defends the country, like a coast guard/national guard, a court system for enforcing the laws, and a police that defends and prosecutes those who violate or damage someone elses property. Thats pretty much it. They can do all that for about 15% of what they spend now. Since I disagree with most of what the government spends money on, that part doesn’t bother me too much.

starfcker
starfcker
June 9, 2016 11:38 am

Gator, if it’s the shareholders (owners) of the companies money, why aren’t they getting paid? I’d be real pissed if i were an apple shareholder. Who’s money is it? Companies pay taxes. So it goes. Taxes go up. Taxes go down. Whatever. But nobody who invested in apple is benefiting from all that cash just sitting there, out of reach of it’s rightful owners, controlled instead by a group of sociopathic homosexuals. IT’S NOT THEIR MONEY. Read the article i linked, gator

starfcker
starfcker
June 9, 2016 6:23 pm

Robert, all good. No declaring victory, and i feel no need to have the last word. I don’t give a crap about any set of positions. It’s time to do the right thing. That’s what Trump is about. Check your dogma at the door. Not you, Robert Gore, EVERYBODY. This is a conversation. It’s open ended. Buckle your chinstrap. It’s the nature of the place. We’ll get along fine.

Maggie
Maggie
June 9, 2016 9:50 pm

Good topics. Just suggesting that short and to the point often works.