Guest Post by Jim Kunstler
It’s getting hard to give a shit about this election, though you might still care about this country. The damage has been done to the two long-reigning political parties and perhaps that’s a good thing. They deserved to be dragged into the gutter and now they can either go through a severe rehab or be replaced by as-yet-unformed coalitions of reality-based interests.
Trump did a greater disservice all-in-all to the faction he supposedly represented. Their grievances about a grift-maximized political economy were genuine, and Trump managed to make them look like a claque of sinister clowns. This cartoon of a rich kid with no internal boundaries was unable to articulate their legitimate complaints. His behavior during the so-called debates verged on psychotic. If Trump loses, I will essay to guess that his followers’ next step will be some kind of violence. For the moment, pathetic as it is, Trump was their last best hope.
I’m more comfortable about Hillary — though I won’t vote for her — because it will be salutary for the ruling establishment to unravel with her in charge of it. That way, the right people will be blamed for the mismanagement of our national affairs. This gang of elites needs to be circulated out of power the hard way, under the burden of their own obvious perfidy, with no one else to point their fingers at. Her election will sharpen awareness of the criminal conduct in our financial practices and the neglect of regulation that marked the eight years of Obama’s appointees at the Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission.
The “tell” in these late stages of the campaign has been the demonization of Russia — a way more idiotic exercise than the McCarthyite Cold War hysteria of the early 1950s, since there is no longer any ideological conflict between us and all the evidence indicates that the current state of bad relations is America’s fault, in particular our sponsorship of the state failure in Ukraine and our avid deployment of NATO forces in war games on Russia’s border. Hillary has had the full force of the foreign affairs establishment behind her in this war-drum-banging effort, yet they have not been able to produce any evidence, for instance, in their claim that Russia is behind the Wikileaks hack of Hillary’s email. They apparently subscribe to the Joseph Goebbels theory of propoganda: if you’re going to lie, make sure it’s a whopper, and then repeat it incessantly.
The media has been on-board with all this. The New York Times especially has acted as the hired amplifier for the establishment lies — such a difference from the same newspaper’s role in the Vietnam War ruckus of yesteryear. Today (Monday) they ran an astounding editorial “explaining” the tactical necessity of Hillary’s dishonesty: “In politics, hypocrisy and doublespeak are tools,” The Times editorial board wrote. Oh, well, that’s reassuring. Welcome to the George Orwell Theme Park of Democracy.
Of course neither Trump nor Hillary show any signs of understanding the real problems afflicting the USA. They don’t recognize the basic energy equation that has made it impossible for industrial economies to keep growing, or the deformities in banking and finance that result from official efforts to overcome these implacable conditions, namely, the piling up of ever-greater debt to debt to “solve” the problem of over-indebtedness.
The beginning of the way out of this quandary will be recognition that the federal government is the greatest obstacle for America making the necessary adjustments to a world that has changed. If Trump got elected, I’m convinced that he would be removed from office by a military coup inside of a year, which would be an epic smash-up of our political machinery per se, comparable to the period 44 BCE in Rome, when the republic crashed. Hillary would bring a more measured discredit to the system with the chance that our institutions might be rehabilitated — with the cherry-on-top being Hillary’s eventual impeachment for lying, a fate that her husband and the late Richard Nixon both wiggled out of one way or another.
“Hillary ……with the chance that our institutions might be rehabilitated”
“— with the cherry-on-top being Hillary’s eventual impeachment for lying”
Mr. Kunstler, your humor is off the charts.
Perhaps I am being too harsh, but shouldn’t his name be Kunt-ler.
Kunt
Jimmie Boy…..still confirming he’s a fuckwit with every article he writes. He doesn’t like Trump, but is so naive that he thinks if hilligula gets into power, that anybody would even speak crossly about her, let alone impeach her fucking ass.
What a dipshit…he actually likes his chances with hitlery over Trump?
He was Big for Obama
Hillary’s history, both political and private, should be a strong warning to anyone capable of rational thinking.
We’ll soon find out if that it the majority or minority of the country.
“I’m more comfortable about Hillary — though I won’t vote for her — because it will be salutary for the ruling establishment to unravel with her in charge of it. That way, the right people will be blamed for the mismanagement of our national affairs.”
What are you trying to say here Kunstler? You won’t vote for Hitlery because you want the shit storm to come on Trumps watch? How is he the “right” person to blame for the state of our national affairs?
The only solace I take in a Hitlery presidency is the fact that she will own it when the whole system blows up on her watch. Downside is she’ll start WWIII but if anyone is left to write a history book she’ll share a page with Hitler.
Complain all you want but this is one of the best lines I have seen written here.
“Welcome to the George Orwell Theme Park of Democracy.”
Why do you keep posting this loser. Anyone who is more comfortable with Hillary is fucking mentally ill. She is a total definition of a psychopath.
Diogenes: Don’t hold back.
Greetings,
I do not think it hurts the community to post Kunstler. Most of us probably share about 90% common ground with Jimmy but his leftist approach is the innoculation we need to have.
I’ve had several people argue with me that Hillary should be in office so that SHE can reign over the financial collapse and chaos but I heard the same argument for Obama and how wonderful it would be if a black democrat piloted the ship of state to the bottom of the ocean and it didn’t happen (yet).
If anyone could make an argument that would appeal to the deplorables then it would have have to be someone like Kunstler as he is probably the best spoken of the lot. Furthermore, Kunstler thinks collapse is just around the corner just like many here at TBP. If YOU really believed that the collapse was here then you’d agree with him.
To disagree with Kunstler means that you believe that a Trump presidency would postpone the eventual collapse or that Trump would manage the collapse better than Hillary. Do you guys believe that?
As for myself, I think collapse is eventual (it always is) but that war with Russia is an immediate problem that we should work to avoid. That is why I will vote for Trump as war would be a disaster and I have no faith that we could actually pull if off.
Killary: 300% corrupt, 99% chance of WW3, 98% chance of CW 2.0
Trump: 80% corrupt, 5% chance of WW3, 20% chance of CW 2.0
Kunstler: 100% cognitive dissonance surreality. Like reading bad poetry written by computer programs. Used to be interesting but now just a showcase of his own preconceptions and inability to see HOW FAR the paradigm has shifted.
Wishing for a more polished leader of a nationalist, populist movement is like wishing for a more urbane winner of a knife fight. With the entire banking, Wall Street, media, entertainment and neocon globalist establishment arrayed against him, it required a candidate with his own money, his own plane, his own helicopter, 40 years’ worth of name recognition and millions of social media followers to stage a mutiny against the dickless GOP establishment to become the candidate. Who the fuck else could do it? Michael fucking Bloomberg? Anyone else who could do it wouldn’t do it, since they’re part of the globalist establishment. A guy with balls like Trump, a brawler, is the kind of guy who finds it hard to take abuse. He’s also the kind of guy who says “pussy” in private. If we wanted a rich guy who doesn’t say “pussy”, we could have nominated Romney again – the very definition of pussy.
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Mr Kuntsler is the reason why the alt-right, and Trump, exists. His line about Trump being ‘psychotic’ was right out of Hillary’s campaign. Even if Trump goes ‘psychotic’ its unlikely he could match the horror Hillary has already wrought. She has blown up Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iraq which basically created ISIS, which led to the catastrophe of the rape refugees by the million flooding Europe, which has led to the EU being blown apart with England already out and the old soviet bloc heading towards the door. Thru Nazi Nuland she shoveled 5 billion dollars into the Ukraine to over throw the legally elected govt in Kiev which led to the break up of that country into 3 pieces and and to ongoing horrific civil war. She is trash talking us into a war with the only country on earth that can nuke us into oblivion, Russia. She has basically blown up the known world and he thinks Trump is psychotic.
To say that Trump isn’t talking about real economic and security issues is psychotic by Kuntsler. Trump is talking about the obliteration of the manufacturing base of Amerika. He’s talking about how a flood of 3rd world immigrants have led to gigantic drops in real income for AMERICANS. This flood of immigrants has led to 911, the Boston bombings, the Orlando shootings, and 3,000 deaths a year from murder and car wrecks by aliens (a 911 a year in slaughter). Kuntsler, who claims to be a seer on economics, most likely has is just a collage trained idiot who has never managed anything larger than his own household budget, let alone a corner 7-11, let alone a multi billion dollar global empire like Trump has. If he’s looking for a perfect candidate, he better go dig up Jesus.
It is ‘great minds’ like Kuntsler who have run Amerika into a ditch.
Rainman…
I don’t get it. JHK says Hillary is the answer to exposing extreme
corruption, but he will not vote for her. He says DT is a cartoon
and will be overthrown v military coup and thus violence. He says
voting Hil is our only hope to salvage our intended system by
more clearly exposing corruption so we can “rehabilitate” it.
The article is a display of schizophrenic disordered thinking.
Simply put, crazy talk.
Greetings,
Crazy talk is right. Go talk to a Hillary supporter and what you hear is total nonsense. This isn’t some unknown community organizer but a woman swimming in oceans of blood surrounded by mountains of bodies. She is a brutal war criminal with a child rapist as a husband. She took bribes from and armed the most brutal of dictatorships yet her supporters scream how they must support her ’cause Trump like pussy.
It is the craziest thing I’ve ever witnessed and shows that these people can not be reasoned with and we all know how you deal with unreasonable people, right?
Kunstler steps on his dick once again.
This –> “If Trump loses, I will essay to guess that his followers’ next step will be some kind of violence. For the moment, pathetic as it is, Trump was their last best hope.”
Jackass still doesn’t get it, does he? Even after multiple articles explaining us dissident right types to the Coastal Elites (who enjoy their cushy, well-paid jobs of Being Better Than You and looking down their hooked noses at us Dirt People here in Uncool Flyover Country – even going so far as to write books about how much we suck. Especially those of us in the Appalachian South) he STILL THINKS we have some kind of “hope” in Trump…
He’s using this false argument – which he either A) believes is true (which is stupid, because it’s not and we TOLD THEM SO), or B) he doesn’t believe it’s true (which means he’s being intellectually dishonest) – as a Straw Man.
So, he’s either incompetent, or willfully intellectually dishonest. Pick one, Kunstler.
We’re voting for Trump for one simple reason: REVENGE.
We know this is probably the last election. THE LAST ONE. Whatever comes next, you could not possibly describe it as an “election”.
We know the Oligarchs do what they want and the rest of us Proles can go fuck ourselves. The GOP cucks sold us out and the Dems have gone completely off their axle. Both completely hate us (you’re in good company there, Kunstler).
So, all we have is revenge. And if that’s all we got left, then I’m okay with it.
I honestly don’t care who gets into the not-so-White House anymore because it DOES NOT MATTER.
My only recourse is to inflict as much pain and chaos on the two-party-but-really-only-one-party system of Oligarchs as I possibly can by using my weaponized vote.
Trump loses?
Well, hopefully – best case scenario – the GOP burns to the ground and voting Trump causes a genuine schism in the party and destroys it completely. If not, then hopefully it will wreck their shit for at least a decade.
“Oh! The Left will control everything unopposed if that happens!”
You mean, as opposed to what we have now? GOP has controlled it ALL, and they have done what, exactly? Roll over and stick their ass in the air? They’re not even bothering to phone it in anymore…
Face down. Ass up. No lube. = The new symbol of the GOP.
Trump wins?
Other than hoping all the communist pieces of dog shit kill themselves, we maybe get a couple more years of wiggle room/breathing space before the whole fucking thing comes crashing down…
Trump gonna save us? HAHAHAHAHAH!!! The fuck he will – this country is so beyond all fucking help, NOBODY can save us… hope springs eternal, but unless we get some Divine Intervention (and I don’t think He is much in the mood to help us right now), I think we are pretty much done.
Still, Trump wins or loses, voting for him does not have a downside… voting for him is accomplishing exactly what I want = to burn down the GOP and kill it and/or fucking over the communists.
So there you have it Kunstler.
Hope this helps you out in your next “I-hate-Southerners-so-I’m-gonna-write-a-book-and-shit-on-them” book…
Raul Illargi, over at the Automatic Earth has a more intelligent piece and writes as well as Kuntsler. The big American foreign disaster is not Russia, Ukraine or Syria it is what has happened and is happening right now in Turkey and the Philippines. These were longtime American allies who are now drifting into the orbit of hostile powers!
Billy writes: “Face down. Ass up. No lube. = The new symbol of the GOP.”
And a new meme has been born! Maybe the dick on the Democratic Party’s donkey coming from behind could be uncircumcised and look just like the Washington Monument.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinton-vaults-double-digit-lead-boosted-broad-disapproval/story?id=42993821
Fuck you, and everyone like you, Kuntsler.
El Degüello
Translation of Kuntsler ” Although I may agree with all of Trumps policies, I’m after all a Jew ”
See Trumps video of the Snake.
regarding the propaganda floating around about the military overthrowing Trump, we have a good family friend in the air force. He claims that nearly every person at his base are staunch Trump supporters.
There was a time…clearly that time is long past Jim. Best wishes, enjoy those glory days gone by.
A military coup within a year? This guy is like a slow motion train wreck. He is a Long Emergency.
I loathe Kunstler, the elitist Joo bastard.
But, you can take his comment below to the bank.
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Of course neither Trump nor Hillary show any signs of understanding the real problems afflicting the USA. They don’t recognize the basic energy equation that has made it impossible for industrial economies to keep growing, or the deformities in banking and finance that result from official efforts to overcome these implacable conditions, namely, the piling up of ever-greater debt to debt to “solve” the problem of over-indebtedness
Stucky, your lack of understanding of basic economics is astonishing. Kunstler is full of shit.
I think I understand the basics of economics. It’s the details that kill me.
Indeed. Kunstler IS full of shit.
However, NOT in the section I quoted. You truly believe Hillcunt or Trump understand the real problems affecting the USA? For example, has either of them talked about the Fed? Indentured_Servant has … read his posts.
What about economics? Both of those people are fairly clueless. How about that (empty) promise by Donald to bring back millions of manufacturing jobs … that we will once again be the world’s manufacturer. Obviously, you have learned nothing from Llpoh!!!
OK … I’m clueless.
But … you’re a dreamer. Keep dreaming on how great everything will be. Because, promises. Let me know when you realize your dream has become a nightmare.
Jim Kuntsler may actually vote for Trump. But being he probably only associates with other Jews. And those Jews at the dinner table were pressuring him to endorse a candidate.
Therefore, what else could he do?
“I’m more comfortable about Hillary…”
I got nothing.
we disavow that guy,
comfortable with Hillary?
Quit writing editorials. Stick with books!