We had a pretty serious Altercation here resulting from my Population Triage Thread. Our Admin got thoroughly pissed off at me, and then additionally LLPOH and myself Napalmed the Living Shit out of each other, as we often do. I took a couple of days of “vacation” to ponder on whether I want to continue writing for TBP.
Stuck meanwhile made the case for why I should continue posting here, since I provide an alternate opinion for discussion, even though he often does not agree with my perspective. Other regular posters like LLPOH and Smokey rooted for Admin to get so pissed off at me he would BAN me from posting on the board.
For my part, I pushed the envelope of Free Speech, attempting to get Admin to COMMIT to whether he would Ban me or Not if I did not follow his injunctions on what I could write. Free Speech believer that he is (and I counted on this in pushing the envelope), Admin would NOT make it explicit that he would Ban me if I continued on the path I took to needle him. However, it remains an implicit THREAT.
I do not accept Censorship in any form, and Admin blustering at me “DO YOU UNDERSTAND?” was Implicit Censorship, the same kind of thing Jason pitched at me, which was that I had to Self-Censor if I expected him to put up a Platform for me to write on. Admin was threatening to BAN ME, even Stuck picked up on that, I am sure most of you did as well, I certainly did. The Mods on Peak Oil also implored me to self-censor. Karl on Ticker Forum made it clear if I wrote certain things he would Ban me. Needless to say, I have been Banned REGULARLY from posting on many forums because I do not accept any form of Censorship. If I get THREATENED with it, I just push the envelope further. LOL. I write what I write, regardless. In this case, I took a vacation to think on this before I pushed it so far as to getting Banned.
However, we still do have a quandary here to resolve. As we last left this altercation, Admin’s last post was something like “Go ahead and QUIT! Who CARES!” So I decided to take a Vacation at his request. The stock in trade of what passes for debate on the board has become quite tiresome and grown quite stale, so I was up for the Vacation anyhow. In any post that has more than about 20 replies, its mostly the same folks pitching the same old napalm. I like to write about the topics of the ongoing Collapse with my spin, then I like to debate them, but nobody can debate realistically when you have Thermonuclear Napalm spit all over the thread every time you post. So should I really bother posting here when this is the result I get all the time?
So herein lies the foundation of this post. I really would like to know “who cares?” if I continue posting on TBP or not. Should I stay or should I go?
I’m going to start this off by jumping outside my role here and trying to look at this dispassionately. I’ll present some positive and negative aspects of my continuing to post on this board. Anybody else can also present their opinions on why I should stay or go. Then you can all VOTE RE Off the TBP Island; or vote for me to Remain a Contributor. I promise to ABIDE by the Tribe Decision. If I am SHUNNED here, I will DISSAPEAR and DIE, in the Cyberspace sense on TBP anyhow of writing articles. Maybe I will Poach with an occasional Comment, but no more 10,000 word Articles.
What are my Positive Contributions to the Group? As I see it, they are the following:
1-I present a very different spin to consider on the problems we all recognize
2-I write many Original Articles you won’t find anywhere else on the net
3-I help keep the board active in discussion by being a magnet for napalm (though I would prefer more substantive discussion)
My Negative Contributions:
1-I can be positively NASTY when I get pissed off.
2-My posts are criticized as too long for people to read and respond to.
3-My presence on the board makes Napalm Artists like Smokey & LLPOH even more annoying than they already are, since they cannot help but troll my threads and napalm them persistently.
Anyhow, I will put it up for a Vote here as to whether I stay or go. If you want me to stay and keep posting Articles, give me a thumbs up. If I should quit doing this, thumbs down. If I get more Thumbs Down then Thumbs Up, I will leave the pages of TBP and head for the Great Beyond as a Contributor, and just do Ghost Poaching. One vote to a Member, no Anonymous voting. You must post up under your own screen ID and declare “Thumbs Up” or “Thumbs Down” in WRITING. No using the automated buttons.
Voting closes when this post falls off the list of recent posts. In the event I get more Thumbs Down here, I will See You on the Other Side. Best of Luck when the Big Show comes to Theatre Near You. In the event I get a Thumbs Up, I’ll keep churning out the prose for you all to chew on as you see fit. I got a BIG ONE Ready and Waiting. I have had a couple of days to work on it, and you all KNOW what that means is coming down the pipe. LOL. Your choice, TBPers.
RE
I vote for you to continue posting.
Ah, don’t so damned melodramatic.
Stay on the ol’ island.
I’ve never minded you on the island so much, but how about a little brevity once in a while. I always just wondered why you don’t build your own site and following rather than expropriating Admin’s bandwith.
But if he’ll vote for you, I’ll vote for you.
Stay. That’s my two cents’ worth.
RE
Thumbs up. But that’s not a promise I will read your stuff.
And stop being so sensitive. I get shit on all the time here. My water bill is out of sight from all the showers I have to take to get the crap off of me.
I vote for you to continue posting as well
it was one of your posts that first brought me this site
so why not stay
thumbs up you whining pussy beyotch- you sure your not a woman with pissy little feelings
RE, even though you obviously don’t know when to stop pushing buttons or a particular POV or how to limit a post to less than encyclopedic length, I’d miss you if you quit.
You make people think and more than not, that contributes to a comment thread and the posts you make as articles have gems thoroughly buried in the vernacular slush. Keep posting.
(PS: For RE’s eyes only: That post by Admin is as close as you’re ever gonna get to a “Damn I was having a bad day and lost it.” Take what you can get.)
But this is the end of it.. No more Mr. Nice Guy from me..
I don’t agree with your views but I respect that you have a view. I rarely read your posts and have never fully read a post but I don’t care if you post. Ill follow Jim’s decision. Thumbs up.
Damn – that’s nine thumbs up in less than 20 minutes. He’ll get a big head and think he;s indispensable now. Shit… And if you ever come back and say “Thank you” you’ll never be forgiven!
stay
even a broken clock is right twice a day
I can’t wait for Smokey and LLPOH to chime in. This could get fun.
Thumbs up for RE.
Until I get my Abbie Hoffman article, anyway, and only if its a good one. 🙂
Stick around. Like I said, I like where your mind goes.
I say stay if you can respect Admin’s wishes about leaving his family out of it and I call bullshit on your thoughts that his request constitutes censorship. It’s purely common decency to not involve innocent children.
I respect his invitation for you to stay, but I’ll tell you, if it were me, I’d never be able to do it. Think mama bear. You obviously don’t have kids.
i’m still a newbie here.. but for my two cents, you do offer a different perspective, that is valuable.your articles are waaaaaaaay long but I have learned to skim read them.
Thumbs Up.
Even though I don’t know the details, I’m positive your censorship at the other sites you mentioned has nothing at all to do with your perceived injustices here. There is no censorship here for all intents and purposes.
Let’s pick a number that represents all the possible things you can say or write about. Let’s say that number is one million. From all my time here I can assure you that Jim asked you to refrain from ONE thing ,,, and ONE THING ONLY …………………. mentioning his family.
Instead of rejoicing that there are 999,999 things you CAN say, you get your man-tits in a ringer over one single solitary prohibition. You have badly over-reacted.
I’m sure if it was just you and Eve in the Garden of Eden, they would have to rewrite the book. YOU would have eating the goddamn apple, for sure.
Look at all the love you’re getting here. So shut the fuck up and start posting!
XOXOXO
Your Stucky
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PS: I’m preparing a meal to sneak into the hospital for Ms Freud. Her “dinner” if you want to call it that, was some stinky overcooked tasteless mushy fish — at least that’s what they said it was … some long green stringy shit they said were green beans … and a round cold white lump of putrid looking mashed potatoes. I swear to God they are trying to kill her!!
Stay.
Your comments, at least, tend to be earnest, on topic and well-written, as opposed to the irrelevant dick-measuring flames that tend to clog up the articles here.
Ive been reading TBP for a long time now and your perspective is interesting…however your postings are simply to wordy. If you continue on, please shorten your articles. Your point can be made with much less writing. I for one hope you do continue.
Regards
Stay!
You have my vote to stay, but can you make your posts a little shorter? Some of us still have day jobs that take a little time as well.
I did not advocate for you to be banned. I found your refusal to abide by a reasonable request extraordinarily rude and abusive. I think that the Admin was reasonable.
That said I think the site has done well without you. Your horseshit really needs to be reigned in. The length of your posts are an abuse of priviledge. Your continued mentioning of me, in particular, is generally unwelcome. If you want total control of what you write start your own fucking blog. Otherwise realize you are a guest on this site, as am I, and need to abide by some rules, not to mention have a bit of common decency – which is often beyond you.
As mentioned before I largely absorbed much of your shit before arcing up. If you continue down the same path I will look to disrupt every article you post. I expect then that the Admin would either have to ban me or institute some kind of control over your contributions.
If you want to simply post your views but show some restraint,no problemo. If you want to continue your horseshit I have a real problem.
As much as I think you are a long winded self-appreciating crybaby know-it-all, I think you play an important role! Post on RE, you’re always good for a laugh, and the Golden Corral piece was one of the best ever on here!
One more thing – I have never wished you any ill will. You on the other hand have damned me to hell and have even hoped for my death, best I can tell. That makes you an evil piece of shit in my book. You seek the destruction of everything I value. You get no respect from me as a result
You say you refuse to submit by even the slightest censorship, even self-censorship, as though there should be a direct, uninhibited line from your id to your keyboard. Society could not function like that: I think you need to understand that there is an implicit agreement in free speech. We respect each other’s right to an opinion so long as we avoid threatening or deliberately offensive language. You should not assume you have a right to say whatever you like on SOMEONE ELSES website. I suppose that does not factor well into your anarchistic, fuck-everybody-else worldview, but so long as the world has refused to yet go Mad Max, and you participate in this civilization (which you are, simply by being on this website) you should try to abide by social norms.
Respectfully, Shadows
Stay, but more brevity.
It’s a wise man who can make his point with a few words.
Dazzle us with your brilliance, don’t baffle us with your bullshit.
You’re a blogger, not a deity. Why in the world would anyone vote you off? You either read it and make notes or blow it off and move on. To each his own.
I can see this thread is going to last way too long before it slides off the list into the post-hell, Smokie flames it and it go up in a greasy cloud.
RE
I just went over to your Population Triage post to see what created the shitstorm. Damn, I got singed eyebrows just READING some of those comments.
I have stated several times that there are no rules on this site, but I never even considered the thought that someone might want to get Admin’s family into any discussion in any manner whatsoever. That fight you picked with him on that issue was unseemly and uncalled for. I got uncomfortable just reading the back and forth.
One of the worst feelings you’ll ever experience is when you’re in the middle of an argument and realize you’re wrong. And the best response when that happens is, “Sorry, I was wrong, and you were right.”
And I apologize to you for sounding like a self-righteous scold.
SSS – that is a point I have made over and over with RE.
Those of you that expect RE to show any restaint are out of your minds given his history. He is in this only to stroke his own ego, unless he has had a major epithany. I doubt it. It is a source of pride to him that he says and does any and everything he pleases. He does not believe in peivate property and so sees it as his God given right to crap whereever he pleases.
I have no problem that he be able to express his views. Commandeering the site as he does so often is another matter entirely.
@re
dude
the admin did not apply any censorship. your attempt to get him to commit to blah blah blah, who the fuck cares?
this is jim’s site. free speech only applies to the owner of the printing press. and throughout this little drama, jim made it pretty clear that he likes you posting here (as long as you don’t talk mess about his family). oh, the oppression!
only two votes matter. yours and jims. he wants you to continue posting. you will cast your vote. hey, soliciting feedback is fine. but your actions are never going to be governed by a faux-democratic exercise in a dictatorship. a dictatorship where everyone maintains freedom to leave anytime they want, and near unlimited freedom to come in, read, and post (comments at least).
it’s just a fucking internet message board (although one of the best i’ve ever seen). get over yourself.
ps. i like your stuff. you have a different way of looking at things, and generally a logical approach, which i enjoy even when i disagree with some of your foundational assumptions, or conclusions. shit, i might be one of your biggest fans in here. the lengh doesn’t bother me, cause when i don’t feel like it, i don’t read the whole thing.
fwiw, the site would be a lesser experience for me w/o your posts and your point of view. so don’t be a pussy. it’s just the friggin internet.
Any reasonable person would simply have returned to posting.
But, no, fucking RE has to feel like he is being begged to come back. It is just more ego stroking – LIf you really want me to I’ll again grace you with my many volumes of wisdom on any and everything”.
Great. Just fucking great. I do not see a lot of begging. I see a lot of if you will jjust not be such a dick with the length of your posts, tho. I doubt RE is the sort to take reasonable and considered advice, tho.
Punk – I hope you like where my boot goes for posting that shit. Time for your next lesson. Start cowering.
Every village needs an idiot. I vote that he stays.
All thumbs up so far. Where’s Smokey?
I note that Admin is 19-zip on the thumbs drill for his initial comment. His best performance ever. Usually, he gets zip-19………..on a good day.
RE stays, we need all forms of information, people have fought countless wars for our freedoms and the nice part about this country is the freedom of speech and the press (okay this is being manipulated by the general press), but in TBP, we can say what is on our minds. Does it upset a few people, sure, but without listening to what others say, we cannot base our true opinions. When Jessie Jackson graced our ‘hallowed halls’ during a strike here, I went to listen to him, do I think he is a jerk, sure, but without listening to him spout his bogus bs, how could I make an objective opinion (not a knock on you RE, just saying). We need to be open to all views on here and sometimes his articles do help me to fall asleep, thanks RE :-).
SSS – I imagine Smokey is puking his guts out at this shit. All of these folks kissing RE’s ass is just too vile a thing for him to bear.
The more I think about this whole thing the more disgusted I am. What a self-serving piece of shit. The admin did not ask him to leave. But, hey, let us all beg him to return anyway. What a smelly load.
one thumbs up
Hey Stuck: My best to Ms.Freud and I’m sorry to hear she is in the hospital. Hope it’s nothing serious and home quick.
MA
Please stay and contribute. I find your insights open my thoughts to delightfully disturbing vistas otherwise unseen. As to the pointless name calling, verbal projectile vomiting, et al . . . ignore it. Unless writers are prepared to compete with ideas rather than diatribes, their input is the idiot’s tale.
Admin – by the way, RE has had shit to say about my kids in the past. Unfortunately I have no ability to control that whatsoever. You do. If he stays – which is of course the whole point of this crap – any chance you can apply the same rules to him regarding other people’s family that you have re your own?
– have never brought any’s family into a flame fest, or for any other reason.NEVER. The closest I have ever come is to poke a bit of fun at Punk when he tells us about sleeping on the couch.
Seems to me there should be a line in the dand. Making someone’s children off limits seems a good place to start.
llpoh
I agree with you 100%. There is absolutely no need to mention anyone’s family in posts or articles. I’m sure RE can say whatever he wants to say without including anyone’s family members. I hope he is able to abide by that overbearing form of “Censorship”.
Again – didn’t you folks read the article at all? He aready said fuck you to your requests for brevity. He will take this as encouragement to grow even more verbose. Great.
Admin – thanks. Seems like not much to ask. I do not even buy in to Smokey’s throat yoghurt stuff, funny as hell as it is, as I don’t go there with my flames.
Unfortunately he still seems to be insisting it is his free speech “right”, unless I misread it. Hope he has sense enough to let it go.
IDGARAWYSOG….
Llpoh
I have the yacht fueled up. If RE fucks up next time, we can pile up in the yacht and head to another island. Jim will be the captain and he will steer us to safety. RE hates humans and loves to be isolated from society so if he is stranded on the island by himself, he will be right at home.
Jmarz. – I hope you have bikini-clad deckhands.
I’d like to know what your own blog website is. You alluded to a blog but I couldn’t find anything resembling your writing elsewhere.
If you have your own blog, I could care less if you keep posting here. I view this as mostly Jim’s show, for good or bad.
Its always tease tease tease
I took a couple of days of “vacation” to ponder… -RE
Srsly What did you do wonder about the pine trees scouring the snow for animal scat to tasseography?
Save the drama for your mama.
KB
“Yo mama,” not your mama. Sheesh, even we advanced maturing adults can speak a little jive.