Here we go again. I’ve documented repeatedly over the last year that I have been as good a Catholic as anyone. I went to Catholic school for 12 years. I never missed mass over the 1st 40 or so years of my life. Even when I was living away at college, I would walk 10 blocks from my house to the Catholic church at 38th and Chestnut every Saturday night to go to Mass. I’ve sent all three of my kids to Catholic school. I’ve donated thousands of dollars over my lifetime to the Catholic church.
But the unceasing revelations of priests fucking little boys and not being turned in to the police by the heirarchy of the Catholic Church has infuriated me. The Cardinals, Bishops, and Pastors in the Phila Archdiocese have known for decades about these evil boy raping priests. They shuffled them from parish to parish where they could prey on new 11 year old meat. They protected the church’s wealth, not the children. When confronted with accusations, the Cardinal’s first question was “Is the statute of limitations up?”. Sure sounded like he was looking out for the kids. They would secretly pay off families of victims without turning the evil priests in to the authorities.
There was a 2005 grand jury report about these terrible abuses and cover-ups in the Phila Archdisocese. The church responded by forming a commission to address the accusations by victims. A huge PR campaign was initiated by the church to make it appear they were taking actions to protect the children. This commission actually acted to find dirt on the victims in order to avoid paying compensation. The heirarchy continued to protect the boy fucking priests.
Last month, a new grand jury report revealed High level coverups in the Church and horrifically detailed the acts performed by these lowlife scum priests. A list of over 30 priests still in parishes around Phila was in the grand jury report. Yesterday, on Ash Wednesday, the church got around to suspending 21 priests. The Catholic church has not done this willingly or of their own volition. They have been dragged kicking and screaming the whole way. These priests would not have been suspended or turned into the police by the Cardinal, if the grand jury had not done their work.
I was not going to post anything about this until I opened my paper this morning and read the names on the list. We belonged to the St. Francis parish in Norristown for 5 years in the early 1990’s. There was a priest there that we loved. He had taught my wife at Bishop Kenrick high school and gave the best sermons I had ever heard. We would make sure we went to his Masses. I hadn’t come across another priest since who matched his ability to make a sermon relevant and interesting. His name is Father Logrip. He is on the list. He is at a local parish next to Lansdale high school. I can’t tell you how angry this makes me.
I’m done with the Catholic Church. When my mother heard that I had stopped going to church, she was outraged and was burning up the telephone lines to my sister. I was surely going to hell. We had a few really nasty telephone exchanges where I described what these priests had done. My mother is the ultimate Catholic. She follows all the rules. Never misses mass. In the last month, she has stopped putting money in the collection basket. She tells me how terrible the Catholic church heirarchy has become. My sister still goes to church, but hands in an empty envelope. It lets them know she is there, and it lets them know she is not happy. I watched the news last night and they interviewed the non-thinking delusional Catholics who refused to believe that their parish priest is on the list. Delusion abounds across the land.
THESE PRIESTS FUCKED & RAPED LITTLE HELPLESS BOYS. CARDINAL RIGALI AND THE REST OF HIS HENCHMEN HAVE COVERED UP THESE HEINOUS CRIMES. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. DEAL WITH IT YOU DELUSIONAL CATHOLICS.
The suspension of these priests is not even close to satisfying me. Until the heirarchy of the church is thrown in jail for their crimes, I will never give the Catholic Church a dime of my money or step foot in their churches. I do not need these men to have a relationship with my God.
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RE
fuckin hang em all by the nuts out in front of their gods. Death to the sick fucks. Why is this even a story. How much of this do we need to put up with before some of these sick bastards start getting an eye for an eye.
95% of all these social rehabilitation experiments are total failures, why do they allow this to continue
“The Pharisees make the outside of the cup clean but inside it is full of greed and wickedness.”
“For the LOVE of money is the root of all evil.”
Jesus threw the money lenders OUT of the temple, “You cannot serve two masters”.
The lord does not judge you on your attendance to church, he sets a far higher standard, are you prepared to live your faith – even if it costs you. Are you prepared to renounce your sins and walk in the light – even if can be a heavy burden to bare.
Those who deny justice to the innocent whilst hiding behind his church will suffer his wrath.
OB
Well said.
I just find this utterly amazing and disgusting. Does the prohibition of priest marriage encourage homosexuals to become priests? Where does this prohibition emerge in the history of christianity? I have read parts of the christian bible, but don’t recall any reference to it…or does it have something to do with a cult of virginity?
Zara – the Orthodox Church allows its priests to marry, and has just as good a claim on being “the original” as the Catholic Church. Hmmm, maybe this whole prohibition thing is a Roman Catholic creation?
I was brought up a catholic but i left the church long ago. I am a Christian, because i believe in Christ. the church I belong to is a great loving community (its a Vineyard Church), not perfect but honest people willing to face up to their sin and weakness and seek the Lord.
One of the things that i have always disagreed with the catholic church is celibacy as a requirement for priesthood. Most of the Apostles had wives.
I find this all very sad. I think the cover up is truly disturbing. the Church by its very nature need to be a confessional community. A community that recognize sin in its ranks and confronts it.
@Zara
I found this at a site called future church
http://www.futurechurch.org/fpm/history.htm
A Brief History of Celibacy in the
Catholic Church
First Century
Peter, the first pope, and the apostles that Jesus chose were, for the most part, married men. The New Testament implies that women presided at eucharistic meals in the early church.
Second and Third Century
Age of Gnosticism: light and spirit are good, darkness and material things are evil. A person cannot be married and be perfect. However, most priests were married.
Fourth Century
306-Council of Elvira, Spain, decree #43: a priest who sleeps with his wife the night before Mass will lose his job.
325-Council of Nicea: decreed that after ordination a priest could not marry. Proclaimed the Nicene Creed.
352-Council of Laodicea: women are not to be ordained. This suggests that before this time there was ordination of women.
385-Pope Siricius left his wife in order to become pope. Decreed that priests may no longer sleep with their wives.
Fifth Century
401-St. Augustine wrote, “Nothing is so powerful in drawing the spirit of a man downwards as the caresses of a woman.”
Sixth Century
567-2nd Council of Tours: any cleric found in bed with his wife would be excommunicated for a year and reduced to the lay state.
580-Pope Pelagius II: his policy was not to bother married priests as long as they did not hand over church property to wives or children.
590-604-Pope Gregory “the Great” said that all sexual desire is sinful in itself (meaning that sexual desire is intrinsically evil?).
Seventh Century
France: documents show that the majority of priest were married.
Eighth Century
St. Boniface reported to the pope that in Germany almost no bishop or priest was celibate.
Ninth Century
836-Council of Aix-la-Chapelle openly admitted that abortions and infanticide took place in convents and monasteries to cover up activities of uncelibate clerics.
St. Ulrich, a holy bishop, argued from scripture and common sense that the only way to purify the church from the worst excesses of celibacy was to permit priests to marry.
Eleventh Century
1045- Benedict IX dispensed himself from celibacy and resigned in order to marry.
1074-Pope Gregory VII said anyone to be ordained must first pledge celibacy: ‘priests [must] first escape from the clutches of their wives.’
1095-Pope Urban II had priests’ wives sold into slavery, children were abandoned.
Twelfth Century
1123-Pope Calistus II: First Lateran Council decreed that clerical marriages were invalid.
1139-Pope Innocent II: Second Lateran Council confirmed the previous council’s decree.
Fourteenth Century
Bishop Pelagio complains that women are still ordained and hearing confessions.
Fifteenth Century
Transition; 50% of priests are married and accepted by the people.
Sixteenth Century
1545-63-Council of Trent states that celibacy and virginity are superior to marriage.
1517-Martin Luther.
1530-Henry VIII.
Seventeenth Century
Inquisition. Galileo. Newton.
Eighteenth Century
1776-American Declaration of Independence.
1789-French Revolution.
Nineteenth Century
1804-Napoleon.
1882-Darwin.
1847-Marx, Communist Manifesto.
1858-Freud.
1869-First Vatican Council; infallibility of pope.
Twentieth Century
1930-Pope Pius XI: sex can be good and holy.
1951-Pope Pius XII: married Lutheran pastor ordained catholic priest in Germany.
1962-Pope John XXIII: Vatican Council II; vernacular; marriage is equal to virginity.
1966-Pope Paul VI: celibacy dispensations.
1970s-Ludmilla Javorova and several other Czech women ordained to serve needs of women imprisoned by Communists.
1978-Pope John Paul II: puts a freeze on dispensations.
1983-New Canon Law.
1980-Married Anglican/Episcopal pastors are ordained as catholic priests in the U.S.; also in Canada and England in 1994.
Popes who were married
St. Peter, Apostle
St. Felix III 483-492 (2 children)
St. Hormidas 514-523 (1 son)
St. Silverus (Antonia) 536-537
Hadrian II 867-872 (1 daughter)
Clement IV 1265-1268 (2 daughters)
Felix V 1439-1449 (1 son)
Thanks bigargon, that’s interesting. I wonder of Augustine picked up an STD.
Zara
The Catholic Church justifies celibacy from scripture. Of course, almost ANYTHING can be justified by Scripture … just pick and choose and reinterpret, simple as that.
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Most widely cited Scripture supporting celibacy. The bottom line here below is that being married DISTRACTS from serving the Lord.
—— 1) “An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— and his interests are divided.” 1 Cor 7:32
—— 2) “Some people are unable to marry because of birth defects or because of what someone has done to their bodies. Others stay single for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Anyone who can accept this teaching should do so.” Matt 19:12
—— 3) “Don’t put young widows on the list. They may later have a strong desire to get married. Then they will turn away from Christ 12and become guilty of breaking their promise to him.” 1 Tim 5:9-12
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Catholic theologians will cite all kinds of OT and NT prophets and leaders who were celibate, and state that their example MUST be followed. This is a crock of shit. Let’s look at just two NT examples.
They say Paul was single. Bullshit. Paul was clearly a Pharisee. There is no question about this. Being married was REQUIRED to become a Pharisee. Paul was married. Period.
They say that Popes trace their lineage all the way back to the first pope (or bishop), Peter. They say Peter was not married. Utter total bullshit. Three of the four gospels talk about Peter’s MOTHER IN LAW … thus he was married. It is hilarious reading how Catholics try to weasel out of clear and plain language … much as they do regarding Jesus’ very real and very actual brothers and sisters.
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PROBLEM SCRIPTURE
The verse below states that prohibiting marriage is THE DOCTRINE OF DEMONS!
—— 4) “But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their
Haha Again, it is hilarious listening to Catholic Philosophers (an oxymoron) try to dance around clear and plain language. That’s because 99% of Catholic “doctrine” is all man made rules.
Consider this; ALL of Jesus’ words recorded in the gospels are shorter than just one RE rant!!! So, why does the Catholic Encyclopedia of doctrines weigh 25 pounds and is thousands of pages in length? Man-made horseshit, that’s why.
oops …. Scripture 4 above was cut off …
—— 4) “But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage.” 1 Tim 4:1-3
Okay, Stuck, this made me laugh 🙂 “ALL of Jesus’ words recorded in the gospels are shorter than just one RE rant!!!”
Perhaps what the Catholic church needs and has needed for a very long time is a few good women!
In the fourth century the Church passed the Nicene Creed prohibiting priests to marry… prior to that time, priests did take wives. The reason for the change, was because the church was losing too much property… too many sons would inherit the family home (which was the church) but wouldn’t follow their fathers into the priestly vocation… when the sons took up another form of work, the church lost that “property”.
With celibacy in place, over the centuries the RC Church grew into the world’s largest and richest corporate entity. Oh, and a breeding ground for homosexual pedophiles!
I too went to St. Francis of Assisi and Bishop Kenrick, and the worst thing is: it doesn’t even surprise me anymore. The priests who were at my summer camp, grade school and high school, the ones my family often had over for dinner and the ones my parents taught me to respect, were busy ripping souls apart. They will never know the lifelong horror that comes with child sexual abuse. No therapy, prayer or elixir gives back the piece of your heart that dies when you are abused. It alters you forever!
Makes me sick to my stomach.
And i am heartsick that I didn’t have the courage not to raise my four kids catholic. I will never make them go to CCD again. I now hate the church, instead of view it as a wonderful expression of love and faith.
How dare Catholic leaders not take responsibility. I could have told you when I was in high school who the abusers were. Ah, but instead we are told we are sinners and made to feel guilty.
I’m done. Trust, yeah right.
This avalon is not the real Avalon.
Msgr. Joseph Logrip
After serving as a high school chaplain and parish pastor, Logrip, ordained in 1972, rose in the archdiocesan hierarchy and most recently served as regional vicar for North Philadelphia and pastor of Mother of Divine Grac…e Parish.
Last year, the archdiocese announced he would take over as pastor of Mary, Mother of Redeemer in North Wales, but he never arrived, according to a receptionist there. Most recently, Logrip had lived at St. Stanislaus in South Philadelphia.
He was mentioned in the 2005 grand jury report as the pastor of a Levittown parish where diocesan officials assigned a known abuser in the 1990s.
Logrip was also mentioned in a civil lawsuit filed last month by a man who claimed to have been sexually abused by a priest when he attended St. Aloysius Academy in Bryn Mawr in the early 1990s. Logrip is not a defendant in the case, but the suit says Logrip knew of the attack but did nothing.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/The_21_priests_placed_on_administrative_leave.html?page=3&c=y
This is the real Avalon
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One of these priests was my parish priest growing and he was my religious education teach in high school. I am also a graduate of Bishop Kenrick….I am really in complete shock over all of this…..
i thought this was the real avalon
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I can’t even muster a blistering reply to this post, the betrayal to me by the Catholic Church runs too deep and it is too painful.
Besides I am watching “Clash of the Titans” (1981 verson) which starts with the infant Perseus being thrown into the sea with his mom. I am contemplating the conundrum of why all organized religions (except for the Buddhists) have a penchant for sacrificing the innocent in the context of an all knowing and all loving God. Hmm.
Could it be that behind what is the Church’s seemingly willfull blind eye towards child abuse is some twisted adherence to the idea that only through sacrifice of the innocent is salvation of all acheived? Is that what the crucification of Christ really means?
Ooooo, the Kraken has been let out by Posiedon and everybody is dying a spectacular death. Doom, bitchez, doom.
Soooo, if we can’t achieve collective salvation, must we then endure collective damnation?
(And Harry Hamlin is (was) a super stud in his day, lol.)
not the jews. well, they sacrifice the innocent foreskin, but that’s all!
(G_d was just joking with Abraham, after all.)
@Yes, but howard, you have heard the joke: Make a wallet from a foreskin, rub it, and you get a luggage set for 4 people.
Forgive me, I can’t resist, you can flame me if you are pissed, but, what if you made the wallet from the foreskin of a black Jew. Would you get a set of luggage for 8 people?
@RE:
The real Avalon?
Where are the fields to grow the food or the cotton?
Where are the foundries to forge the weapons?
Where does the fucking water come from?
Were does the poop and pee go?
That is the problem with these utopian Disney castles: No lines of supply or manufacturing or waste disposal.
Sorry to rain on your parade.
the only possible reason i could be pissed is because i didn’t think of that first. but i will be using that line. lol’d.
@howard: you are now cleared for all blonde jokes forermore, lol.
Admin
This comment will likely set you and Avalon into orbit. Here goes. You said,
“Oldest is going off to Penn State.
Middle son is already in public school.
Youngest son will likely go to same public school as the middle son.”
Last week, you were cheering Lansdale Catholic’s hockey team on like a rabid dog. They won. I could feel your enthusiasm for your son’s team, and it was infectious. But what more is behind that school’s curriculum? Bet the school does pretty well across the academic and athletic spectrum. And I mean really well.
Is there a hint of any of this pedophelic activity associated with the Catholic schools in your area? Even a faint whiff? If not, what’s the problem with Catholic schools? Are you cutting off your nose to spite your CHILDREN’S faces? I see a whole host of positive aspects in Catholic schools.
I know you’re going to (justifiably) blast my ass for having the audacity to address your choices on how to raise your family, but I wonder if you’re not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Disclaimer: I’m not a Roman Catholic.
SSS
My middle son asked to leave Catholic school. The fact is that if you don’t fit into their round holes, you suffer. My youngest has a different learning style than the Catholic schools are ready to deal with. I will seek the best education for my children. Catholic schools are nothing to write home about when it comes to academics.
SSS has balls the size of watermelons.
Gotta wonder about the size of his brain, tho.too much time at high altitude, maybe? This could get ugly.
Ok, thanks.
I have a different perspective of Catholic schools here in Tucson. Salpointe Catholic High School is the best in the entire state…………….by a country mile. My 11th grade granddaughter loves it and is being constantly challenged academically. She’s taking college-level organic chemistry and maxing the course. Great kids, great (mostly lay) teachers, and no nonsense. The K-8 Catholic schools here are just as good, from what I hear.
Based on your comments and experience, we’re very fortunate to have such schools. The public education system in Tucson absolutely sucks………….by a country mile.
I like Catholic Churches, more architecturally beautiful than their Protestant counterparts, and the Latin Mass, but I’ve never been able to understand the lickspittle mentality of Catholic parishioners. Jesus only knows why they’re such true believers, but those kneelers are oh so willing to kiss the hand that abuses their children, demands their tithes, and instills in them lifelong religious guilt. I agree with Jim Quinn, fuck those controlling Catholic cocksuckers. Sic the State on those pervert weenie squeezers.
Some things should be clarified. You assume that all of those who have been suspended have abused minors. Not true. One priest kissed a child on the head as parishioners were leaving Mass on Sunday. He had been suspended because of an overaught parishioner who witnessed it but was reinstated because the Vatican saw this as an abuse of the priest’s rights. He is suspended again. Most of these 21 priests have been suspended because of “boundary issues” – how do you define that? Do not judge them sexual predators until the facts are revealed. Also, you stated that you gave the Catholic Church “thousands of dollars.” Congratulations. Actually, I am sure the money went to various causes, for schools, church buildings, charities, gyms, etc. Your sister can turn in an empty envelope but then she should not expect the lights to be on when she goes to church or for there to be heat.
padre
You don’t know shit about the allegations. The Catholic heirarchy has covered up the raping and fucking of little boys for decades. Do not obscure the issue with your crap about the good being done. The facts are the facts. Any priest who knew of abuse and did nothing is as guilty as the rapist. I can’t stand the apologists for the leaders of the Catholic church. You disgust me.
padre
The Catholic Church leaders announced with great fanfare the planned new Lansdale Catholic High School 5 years ago. They had the land. They had the flock on board. The debate was over the name. They abruptly cancelled the project two years ago. I wonder why? Do you have any guesses?
They are busy paying out millions in hush money to the victims of these rapists and little boy fuckers. I suggest you read Billy’s story. Did you read the grand jury reports. I’m sure you did not. That would just be inconvenient.
The money being dropped into that collection basket is going to pay for the coverups of the Cardinals and Bishops.
You need a dose of reality in your fantasy world.
I want to know why the Archdiocese built Bishop Shanahan High School directly across the street from St. John Vianney “Hospital” – their wearhouse for priestly perverts. Were they providing fresh meat?
Father Logrip did not abuse anyone. Wait for all the before you snap judgement about each individual case.
Am I shocked after reading all this? yes I am and also pleased that some of us are not naive enough to blame the church and the religion because of the sins of a few. having said that. We have no right to judge the priests named in the list without proof that they really did the crime they are being accused of. There is one priest in the list who kissed a child on the forehead and is being accused of child abuse. From when did a affectionate kiss on the forehead by an adult amount to abuse? I think the people accusing him of this crime are abusers who are putting a man who has dedicated his life to god through so much pain. Yes punish the ones who commit crimes but protect the innocent ones. I would like the person accusing the priest to be questioned too. obviously he or she has been abused and some how an innocent gesture like a kiss on the forehead in front of everyone appeared to her or him as child abuse. In our anger we stop being rational. As most of us here took the time to abuse and judge all priests please also have the guts to stand up for the innocent ones.
Dawn is in denial.
The Catholic Church has covered up abuse for decades. It’s good that you care more about criminals than innocent children. Do some reserch woman. The abuse is around the globe. The Vatican continues to cover up the abuse.
Google the Coyne Report and learn something.
DAWN ISN’T IN DENIAL MY FRIEND. I HATE CRIMINALS AS MUCH AS YOU DO WHETHER THEY ARE PRIEST OR LAY PEOPLE. BUT PLEASE PUNISH A PERSON FOR COMMITTING A CRIME. DON’T ACCUSE AN INNOCENT PERSON FOR SUCH A HENIOUS CRIME. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF SOMEONE ACCUSED YOU OF CHILD ABUSE WHEN YOU ARE INNOCENT?. HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT MY FRIEND THAT EVEN AFTER BEING PROVEN INNOCENT LATER THE SCARS WILL REMAIN. YOU WILL BE DESTROYING A MAN EMOTINALLY AND MENTALLY. THE PEOPLE WHO ACCUSED THAT PRIEST OR PRIESTS LIKE HIM ARE COMMITING A GREATER CRIME BY CHARACTER ASSASINATION OF A MAN OF GOD. THE PRIESTS THAT COMMITTED THE CRIME WILL PAY BUT SO WILL THE PEOPLE WHO ACCUSED AN INNOCENT MAN. I DO NOT WANT ANY PERSON TO BE SPARED WHO HAS COMMITED SUCH A CRIME BUT WE WILL BE AS GUILTY AS THEM IF WE ACCUSED SOMEONE FALSELY. I NEED TO KNOW IS KISSING A CHILD AFFECTIONATLY ON THE HEAD CHILD ABUSE?
BEFORE TALKING ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND PRIESTS OR THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION READ THE BIBLE MY FRIEND . ONE COMMANDMENT OF GOD IS – THOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THEY NEIGHBOUR.
AGAIN I WOULD LIKE TO REPEAT PUNISH THE GUILTY AND ONLY THE GUILTY.
Dawn
I’m a Catholic and spent 12 years in Catholic schools, so don’t lecture me about the bible.
Putting a dick in the mouth of an 11 year old is what we are talking about here Dawn. Fucking little boys up the ass is what we are talking about Dawn. Cardinals and bishops and even the Pope covering up this abuse and transferring monsters to other parishes so they could fuck more little boys is what we are talking about Dawn.
Get your head out of your ass Dawn. The Catholic heirarchy are criminal men protecting their wealth and power. It’s that simple Dawn.
Learn how to type without the Caps button on Dawn.
Maybe you concentrated too much on the capital letters and not on the contents of what i wrote Studying in a Catholic school doesnt make you a good Christian or a good human being. I thought this was a civilised discussion and but your language is so cheap that having a civilised discussion with you is out of the question. I repeat i am as angry as you are with what the priests have done. I was talking about one priest mentioned in the report but you chose to write filth rather than answer the question i asked you. How can you judge someone when your language is as bad as their actions. Is this the way you address a lady? Can you not have a discussion without writing filth ? If you are an abuse victim I understand the anger if not it reflects very poorly about yr upbringing. I ask you once more, is kissing a child on the forehead abuse? Is it? It is people like you who nailed Jesus on the cross.
Dawn
That is not filth. It is the truth that you REFUSE to see with your own eyes. That is what priests did to little boys.
HOW DO YOU KNOW HE ONLY KISSED A CHILD ON THE HEAD? WERE YOU THERE?
LET A JURY DECIDE.
Apologists for the criminals running the Catholic Church reflect poorly on the intelligence of said apologists.
I ask you a pointed question DAWN. Should any Pope, Cardinal, Bishop, Pastor or Priest who knew about another priest abusing a child and did not report it to the Police as crime, be thrown in jail?
Simple question. I await your answer.
I am shocked that in a far ad vanced country like USA a kiss on a childs forehead is called child abuse .Well even in countries like india teachers parents relatives kiss little childrento show affection. Apriwst is adressed as FaTHER Is it wrong for a father to kiss a child/ I think you have ruined the ambition the young priest by ccusing him thus .Could it be just vindictiveness which led to accusing him/ I do agree about others whose acts were atrocious ut certainly not in the case of fr mark. there aremany others like mewho feel he samePlease do not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Iorna
Don’t believe the crap from Dawn. Kissing on the forehead is not the issue. Priests fucking little altar boys is the issue. Cardinals and Bishops covering up the abuse is the issue. Don’t be distracted by the that bullshit from Dawn.
I agree with Dawn and Lorna. I am an Asian settled in America. I know the law in America at the same time I would like to mention that Asians are a very affectionate and demonstrative race. Hugging and kissing for us is just a way of demonstrating affection. We are especially fond of little children. The mother of that particular child as stated that the priest kissed her on the forehead in front of the parents. That surely isn’t a crime. There are several priests who have been abusing children and they should be jailed for life or have an even harsher punishment. However should this particular priest be put in the same category as others. Dawn is apparently trying to say in our anger we shouldn’t destroy and innocent mans life. The language used by the administrator in an open forum is shocking and reflects on his mental state. Apparently either he or a family member has been a victim of child abuse. But he has to learn to fight his own demons instead of taking out his frustration on the world. If there are ten priest who commit such crimes there are thousands others who are doing a commendable job in the world. If you follow the news in India you will know that the children in Christian orphanages are well looked after whereas children in several other orphanages have been violently sexually abused and even killed. By such ignorant attacks there may come a time when the Christian community will give up the good work being done by them. Although I’m a Hindu I have a closed association with a lot of Christian associations and therefore I am speaking with first hand knowledge on the subject. I would again like to mention to the administrator that if he cant use decent language and keep his frustrations to himself. He should keep away from such forums which are meant for decent intelligent people. Thank god for people like dawn and Lorna who are still mature enough to view such issues in an unbiased way. Otherwise the world would be back to the medieval times.
Peeti
SEVERAL PRIESTS????? What are you smoking woman? Thousands of priests from all over the world, for decades.
Do not psychoanalyze me. I don’t care if you don’t like my language. Apologists for the Catholic Church like to use nice vanilla words like abuse. What was the abuse Preeti? It was Priests fucking little boys. It was Priests making little boys give them blowjobs. That is what the abuse was. Sorry to hurt your feelings with what really happened.
No I was not abused. I care about the truth. I care about justice. You can worry about language.
There has been a conspiracy by the Catholic Church to cover this up for decades, that continues to this day.
This is my forum woman. Learn something before mouthing off. Misinformed apologists actually disgust me.
READ THIS AND PLEASE RESPOND:
Question:
Would you leave your little boys alone with any of the priests on the list, presuming their innocence, or would you take appropriate parental precautions?
If I was sure the priest was a pervert -of course not. Buddy I am working for an NGO and handling several such cases so I guess I am in a better position than most to judge such people. I also know for sure that there are many many cases where victims of sexual abuse grow up to be paranoid parents. Rightly so . But their paranoia rubs of on the kids and the cycle continues. The point we are trying to make is that it is absolutely unfair to target everyone for the sins of a few. There were witnesses present when that patricular priest kissed that child. We are not judging anyone. What is important is that it should be ascertained whether this is a deliberate attack on the priest by a phsycotic paranoid mother OR is it a geuine case of abuse. If the priest is not guilty can you imagine what he is going through ? Thats the point we are trying to make.
Preeti
The point I am making is a criminal conspiracy by the Catholic Church to protect their wealth and power by covering up decades of abuse.
Dawn has never answered my question. Should any Cardinal, Bishop, Pastor or Priest that knew about another priest sexually abusing a child and did not report it as a crime to the police be thrown in jail? Simple question.
Learn some more about this issue Preeti. Here is another truth telling article. I care about truth. I care about the children. You can care for whoever you choose.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0716/1224300819359.html
Preeti
Did you read the shocking language in Billy’s grand jury testimony? He shouldn’t have described it so graphically. He should be ashamed of himself. Don’t you think?
The coverup goes all the way to the pope. Learn something Preeti.
http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=3608
I have read the links . It is nothing new . There are millions of cases like this around the world most of which are not reported. I some countries the family foces the child to kep mum because they do not want social disgrace. Thank God that now the Law is strict and parents are more aware .
But I reiterate – You cannot condemn every priest because of a few perverts. Yes the Church has covered up for too long. Yes action should be taken against the monsters who have committed such unforgivable crimes. There are thousands of Billies . We need to ensure that such acts are never repeated. But are you going to run around with a bloody shotgun after every priest ?
We amy not be a part of the church but every community needs its spiritual leaders and you and I are not saints to condemn others. Be aware .Be alert . But dont be phsycotic man.
Preeti
I do not condemn every priest. I do condemn the heirarchy of the church. They need to pay for their crimes. Catholics are leaving the church in droves. Millions are no longer giving them money so they can pay hush money to victims.
The heirarchy of the church has not been purged of the criminals. Until this is done, the Catholic church will have no moral standing regarding any issue.
99% of all priests suffer from sexual dysfunction.
Best illustrated in Saint Augustine’s prayer; ‘Give me chastity . . . . , but not yet!’ (Confessions 8,7),
This from a man who only became devout after he had ravished countless whores to his heart’s content, and some men as well, when his weakness for women, as so often happens to older men in later life, turned into the opposite . . . a fake saint.
NOTHING is more UNNATURAL than celibacy. And the consequences thereof are obvious.
When a priest flogs his dummy (and ALL men flog the dummy) what do you imagine he thinks about? The blessed Virgin? The Sacred heart of Jesus? Get a fucking clue ….
It is good to know that there are people like you who are out in this world fighting for justice for innocent children. I just read up the news articles on this burning issue. I realise that the priest Dawn seems to be talking about is Father Mark . E. Fernandes. The facts of the case are that he just affectionately kissed a child on the forehead in front of the parents. Mark appears to be Spanish or Indian. Both races are demonstrative and affectionate. When the issue of sexual abuse by other priests came up, the childs mother decided that she should report this kiss. No where is there any mention of any other form of abuse . so what are we condemning Mark for ?
Preeti
Not one of my articles ever condemns Mark Fernandes. Please research the case of Father Thomas Shea, the assistant pastor at my parish when I was kid. He lives in the old priest retirement home because he is protected by the statute of limitations.
http://www.catholicsexabuse.com/THE_PHILADELPHIA_GRAND_JURY_REPORT/Section_V__Selected_Case_Studies_Father_Thomas_F_Shea
My issue is with the heirarchy of the church. I can tell you for sure that for every falsely accused priest, there are 1,000 sexually abused children. I keep my eyes on the real issue.
Meanwhile, just to be clear, I pretty much DO condemn virtually every priest ……….. making an exception for only the 1% of the male population that can actually live a chaste life.
Fuck priests. (yes, that’s repetitive)
Thats great Admn.We are standing up for the same issue. Lets just make sure that we do it the right way and punish the wrong doers without targeting innocent priests who may be the victims of some vindicive people.
Dawn you are apparently referring to Mark Fernandes. I agree that the accusation does not hold ground. I hope truth prevails and if he is innocent he is acquitted . Admns anger seems to bedirected at the other perverts and not at Mark. We agree with him that those perverts should be flogged -after a prope enquiry. As for Father Mark he seems to have the support of his parishioners. So if he is innocent he will come out of this. he scars will remain and he will have to bear the life long burden of this terrible time. but that is a smal price to pay for the truth to be revealed and justice done. If he is innocent we are ith him.
If anyone has a jury report or further info on Mark could I please read it ?
“Do not be afraid. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.” Matt 10:26
First of all i would like to agree with dawn and preety that an innocent person should not be accused . FR mark fernandes has done no wrong by kissing a child .AS a priest who is called FATHER he has shown his affection to a child as any parent would do.In a place like US Iwould never expect such petty mindedness. I am anon christian and frequently visit US, america has advanced so much how can hugging and kissing children be crimes?IN countries like INdia pepeople show their affection or even greet each other with a kiss.Cardinal justin has done the right thing by covering up the priests When the young boys join the priesthood,they giveents up their parents,teir brothers sisters and homes to join the new homes that is priesthood.their family is the pope cardinals and priests.If a child goes astray does a parent hand him over to the police .NO HE DOESNT.he punishes the child at home .the church shold have punished them .may be sent them home. THIS scandal has discouraged many people. from Joining theChurch.It would have been better not to publish such issues you. will have no more vocations at this rateiAGREE THAT SEVERE PUNISHMENT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO SOME OF THEM BUT INNOCENT ONESSHOULD NOT BE ACCCUSED AND RUINED .yOUNG PRIESTS LIKE mark COULD HAVE CHOSEN TO GET MARRIED heIS YOUNG AND HANDSOME but HE CHOSE TO LIBECOME A priest.
Dear admin,I am surprised that the comments of some people have been deleted by you.there were some very reasonable and unbiased comments about innocent FRMark. Why are they deleted/ TRuth is bitter I know but you should accept everyones comments what you have done is not fair at all.You are forcing your opinion on us.So please be just .
lorna
I haven’t deleted a fucking comment. Don’t accuse me of deleting comments you dumb bitch.
YOUhave no business to use abusive language. How can you point a finger at the priests when you are worse than them?DO NOT POINT A FINGER AT OTHERS AS THERE AE TEN POINTING AT YOU.
lorna
I haven’t fucked any little boys. I’m not a Cardinal or Bishop that transferred known boy fuckers to new parishes so they could fuck more boys. I didn’t then cover up these heinous acts for decades in order to protect my wealth and power.
Remove the beam from your eye.
Hey guys stop attacking each other. we are discussing a serious issue here.