IRENE MODELS SHIFTING WESTWARD – NOT GOOD

My University uses this website to get a more accurate prediction for snowfall amounts. Meteorologists post every day. Their prediction accuracy is much better than the network TV crap. It seems all the models are shifting Irene’s track westwards. One model has it hitting NYC directly. That would be a damned shame.

Eyeing Irene’s Encounter

Computer modeling on Hurricane Irene has reversed its eastward nudge over the past couple of days and has been on a slow, arduous westward trend for the last couple of major computer model runs. I spoke yesterday about the 100 mile error that computer modeling can have with hurricanes in the four day out timeframe and how that meant nothing was certain (I was optimistic, perhaps wishing, that the east nudge would hold but pointed out that a 100 mile shift would change everything). While the models have not adjusted a full 100 miles, we’ve seen a movement of 50-75 miles to the west since this time yesterday and the modeling outcome has changed a good deal for this region.

A few caveats I’ll put out there.   First, Irene will be a large storm when it gets to this latitude and will impact many (especially if the “close to coast” or inland track verifies) but it should not pack the same intensity punch (Category 3 status) to our latitude as ocean temperatures in this part of the world are lower than they are in the Bahamas.  Hurricanes thrive on hot water and ocean temperatures locally are not conducive to supporting high intensity storms.   Irene will probably not be as strong as she is now but still pack a wallop when it visits us on Sunday.   Second, we probably have not seen the last of the nudges with this storm’s modeled path in either direction and it’s possible that we see a bit more nudging west or east in the coming day or two.

The models have shifted the storm’s projected track to the west, with the Euro taking Irene’s eye up the Chesapeake Bay through the western suburbs and north through the Poconos into Upstate New York after initial landfall in Eastern North Carolina.  Irene could bring near hurricane force sustained winds on its eastern side to South Jersey Shore Points in this scenario, with higher gusts.  Winds in Philadelphia could reach 50 mph in this scenario but the worst impacts would definitely be felt at the Shore from a wind and storm surge standpoint, with everyone impacted from heavy rainfall on the order of several inches.  The surge of water pushing up Delaware Bay would result in potentially significant coastal flooding on southern facing beaches (NJ side) in Delaware Bay and then lead to the risk of reverse coastal flooding on the northern facing beaches (Lewes) as winds veer around after the eye passes by.  The “saving grace” is that the landfall point being in the Carolinas would result in an inland track for Irene.  The result of Irene’s center being removed from the Atlantic for a period of time could weaken the storm some from its landfall intensity.  Definitely an ugly scenario but Irene is not as strong here as in the GFS’ case.

The GFS has a landfall point along the Jersey Shore and tracks the storm nearly over New York City.  This is nearly as ugly a scenario as the models can envision for track.  The storm will have had more time over water (granted, water not as warm but it’s still water and not land) and will be a bit stronger when it makes landfall.   The storm track could result in hurricane force winds hammering the Jersey and Delaware coastlines and bring heavy rain to the entire region.  Winds in Philly are not as strong in this scenario but we get a bit more rain in this scenario as we would be on the western side (rainy) of the storm.

One last point to make this morning:    East of the “eye” will have stronger winds than west of the eye, with the eastern side of the storm providing a better potential for quick spin-up tornadoes compared to the western side.   The west side of the storm provides a better potential for heavier rainfall.   Unless the storm takes a track over 100 miles east of the coastline, the region will see impacts from it…unfortunately, some of those will be rather significant.

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Dave
Dave
August 25, 2011 9:46 am

Landfall anywhere 150 miles north of Savannah will be fine with me, if it has to come ashore at all.

bluestem
bluestem
August 25, 2011 9:57 am

Hope the Washington Monumnet can take that much rain. John

Muck About
Muck About
August 25, 2011 10:13 am

Stop the drift! I liked it better 250 miles offshore when it passes my latitude! Of course, I live exactly in the center of the State of Florida – about 65 miles or so from either side – on purpose I might add – so I don’t fret anything that doesn’t come straight in from the coast.

Like the rain, don’t mind the squalls and thunder, prefer the winds to be under 50 MPH gusts. Over that, trees start to fall and my carport gets full of crap I have to clean up..

All ya’ll up the coast? Have a great weekend and maybe Admins’ wish of a 30′ storm surge up the Potomac to flush all the accumulate trash and cockroaches out of D.C. might come true!

MA

AKAnon
AKAnon
August 25, 2011 10:49 am

I’ve never watched “Jersey Shore”, but this could make for an entertaining episode. How will Snookie deal with this Situation?

Buckhed
Buckhed
August 25, 2011 11:13 am

Jim….I bet there will be a run on water wings and other floaties….most of the FSA can swim !

RT
RT
August 25, 2011 11:20 am

admin, you serious?

ron
ron
August 25, 2011 11:30 am

The only good thing is all the rain well wash the piss off the streets.It cant remove that rotting smell in washington though.Itll make for some awesome photo ops.

Thinker
Thinker
August 25, 2011 11:39 am

Jim, I was just going to mention that NY officials were going to call for an evacuation of low-lying areas of Manhattan, but I see it’s now made Bloomberg and you’ve posted it already.

You have an evacuation plan for your family, or are you planning to sit tight?

TeresaE
TeresaE
August 25, 2011 11:48 am

Good luck to anyone in Irene’s path. Combine Irene with the cold front that just moved through my back yard last night and it could really get nasty.

Positive thoughts heading eastward today.

RT
RT
August 25, 2011 11:58 am

i’m in pittsburgh and this is beyond my comprehension. seriously mind-blowing. a coworker with vacation property in maine is leaving today to go tend to his place. my friend in ocean city is cutting vacation short and getting the fuck outta dodge. in my 32 years i haven’t witnessed anything like this on the east coast.

Maddie's Mom
Maddie's Mom
August 25, 2011 12:09 pm

Admin,

WOW.

Forecasts are often wrong. So wrong, so often, that we laugh about it …a lot.

But this year is especially worrisome. Mother Nature has met AND exceeded forecasts on a number of memorable occasions already.

If ever there was a time to “prepare for the worst and hope for the best”, this is one.

If I were in Irene’s path, I would at least be verrry worried.

Best of luck to everyone. May this forecast turn out to be a huge FAIL.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
August 25, 2011 12:13 pm

Krugman might get a chance to realize that the “economic benefit” of disaster isn’t worth the anguish and destruction. Then again, the pills he probably pops won’t allow such reflection.

My thoughts are with you all over there…

Jersey shores just needs to install grease traps in the storm drains, I’m sure it will work wonders.

KaD
KaD
August 25, 2011 12:20 pm

People on Long Island shoud GTFO now. The tunnels and bridges close when the wind reaches 50 mph and things will be gridlock long before that.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
August 25, 2011 12:36 pm

I hope Howard’s in the fog grabbing a burrio or a redrum burger this weekend.

Dave
Dave
August 25, 2011 2:00 pm

Notice to N.J residents.: I’ve got a house for sale about 15 miles north of Savannah. Hurricane shutters(never used) included in price.

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
August 25, 2011 3:00 pm

I am just luvin’ it.

Here on the Gulf Coast, when we were about to be hammered by Hurricane Ike, remember, the LARGEST Hurricaine ever to hit the US, and those assholes on the East Coast were licking their chops hoping that all us NASCAR loving, cheese-doodle eating rednecks would be wiped off the map.

Well, we were NOT. We evacuated only those people in the projected storm surge. Our LOCAL officials ringed the Houston Metroplex with electrical boom trucks, ice, food, whatever, so the minute the winds went down, these people went to work. The only thing the witless FEMA people did was run around with blue tarps for your roof, rolls eyes.

98% of the Houston Metroplex grid went down, 6 MILLION people were without electricity for up to 7-10 days. Did you hear about rioting or looting or mayhem? No.

What has happened in EVERY SINGLE grid down situation on the East Coast? Why, I do believe, it is RIOTING, LOOTING, MAYHEM – and a baby boom 9 months later.

Makes you wonder who the civilized people in this country really are.

Personally, I am hoping for a 30 foot storm surge right up the Potomac, preferably when all the branches of the fed.gov are at work.

Muck About
Muck About
August 25, 2011 3:21 pm

HopeZK: I was raised in Texas (little pecker), Mississippi and Florida. Lived everywhere in the lower 48. Prefer down home rednecks for neighbors (that includes those from AL, GA,SC and parts of AR,NC and TN) to anyone else.. Except maybe Idaho.. Homesteaded there during a midlife crises and discovered so damn many ex-Chippies from CA that I felt I was surrounded by an extremely polite army all the time. No home without artillery, veggie swap meets all summer – I’d come home from school (finishing up a degree at the time) and find boxes of veggies on my front porch with no idea where they came from.

I’d have to cruise around checking gardens so I’d know who to pay back..

I’d like to see that in N. VA or Long Island..

Florida has a limited number of RNs due to imported MidWesterners. Mostly Ohio, Indiana and IL.

I know who the civilized ones really are and they are us.

MA

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
August 25, 2011 4:06 pm

@Admin: I’m luvin’ that red line in your hurricane track..

With any luck, Irene will take out the entire East Coast Progressive (Democrat) Infestation.

pelhamlegal
pelhamlegal
August 25, 2011 4:29 pm

This should get some action. It is not a coincidence that the trend for natural diasters has them more frequent and more intense. This is true for hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis or any other so called act of God. Despite what Al Gore has to say, it has nothing to do with man made global warming. Those of you who are Bible scholars, will acknowledge that Matthew 24 informs those who care to study the Word that these things are a sign of the period before the Great Tribulation;. commonly referred to as “birth pains”. We have always had these things happen during the history of mankind but it is obvious that when they happen now, they are much worst. Expect more.. If we have a major earthquake along the New Madrid fault, it will impact almost every state east of the Mississippi. We live in exciting times, get ready.

KaD
KaD
August 25, 2011 5:39 pm

Furthermore: There are only three bridges out and they will be closed as soon as winds hit 50 mph. Tunnels will be closed long before the storm surge arrives. From our work on Hurricane Earl last year we know at Collapsenet that the Red Cross itself has said it might be a week before they could get onto the island with any substantial relief in the event of a Cat 2 or 3 storm. Buildings on L.I. haven’t seen a hurricane in decades and are ill prepared. Older buildings and brick buildings are extremely vulnerable and would be very dangerous in high winds.

About five years ago a U.S. government report stated unequivocally that a Cat 2 or 3 on Long Island would be worse in terms of damage and death than Katrina in New Orleans. There are six million people on Long Island and they will be trapped, essentially making the island one big Superdome with no exits. For those who escape unhurt, fresh water will be the most important issue, followed by shelter, food and sanitation.”

Persnickety
Persnickety
August 25, 2011 5:59 pm

1) Are you going to have some before/after photos of the 30 Blocks? Better label them or we might all get the after/before reversed.

2) How’s that condo going for ya? I’ll over $100 for it, if you can offer a nonrecourse loan with 100,000% LTV.

Thinker
Thinker
August 25, 2011 6:09 pm

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ragman
ragman
August 25, 2011 6:16 pm

What happened to “fun wif hurricanes”? I still wouldn’t wish what is going to happen on anyone, even a bunch of yankees. Imagine this weak dick storm X 10, that was Andrew.

ragman
ragman
August 25, 2011 6:19 pm

A great website for all of you fuckers that normally don’t give a shit about this stuff is wunderground. Go to tropical maps.

newsjunkie
newsjunkie
August 25, 2011 6:25 pm

Jim,

Seriously, don’t evacuate. I’ve been through so many hurricanes and only evacuated once, for a cat5, and immediately regretted it. Nothing happened.

The most I’ve ever dealt with was loss of electricity, so we grilled up everything in the freezer. No big deal. Just stock up on charcoal and have some water handy in case you lose water service. My neighbor lost water last time, but we just hooked a hose up and they were fine until water was restored.

They go completely overboard with their warnings, and I’ll never worry about it again. Trust me. I’d rather be home in my own house, than stuck out on the road, in the worst traffic jam you could imagine, panicking over a storm.

Dave
Dave
August 25, 2011 6:56 pm

“25th August 2011 at 4:29 pm

Administrator says:

I just received info that Wildwood must be evacuated by noon tomorrow. No one can enter or leave after that time.”

I’m sorry, but shouldn’t that be the policy year round?

Dave
Dave
August 25, 2011 6:59 pm

“A TROPICAL STORM WARNING HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THE COAST OF SOUTH
CAROLINA FROM EDISTO BEACH NORTHWARD TO LITTLE RIVER INLET.”

That’s about 50 miles north of me. Could use some of that rain though. If this storm decides to turn at the last minute we’re screwed, because nobody in these parts is expecting anything here.

matt
matt
August 25, 2011 7:25 pm

Admin,
get your amps off the floor this time. Seriously though, I hope the best for you and your family. keep us posted over the weekend to let us know how you are doing.

matt
matt
August 25, 2011 7:26 pm

Jersey Shore might be somewhere in Ohio by Sunday.

Taz
Taz
August 25, 2011 7:44 pm

Admin and all those in the path… stay safe! Let us know what is happening… if you can.

matt
matt
August 25, 2011 8:36 pm

Ocean City, MD. is where I spent alot of summer beach days. There is one spot, I think around 64th street, where the ocean and bayside are very close together. The storm surge may very well cut of the lower part of OC if the water level of the bay gets too high.

Good luck everyone!

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
August 25, 2011 9:54 pm

Hey Admin,
Hurricane Hugo nearly wiped my ass off the map in ’89 as it came over my house at 130mph and I was 110 miles from the coast! My wife was in the USAF at the time and was required to stay put. If we had it to do over again we would have headed for the mountains of Tennessee because AWOL is better than dead. If you can get out, do so. If not find a fortress like place to ride it out. A concrete structure below ground level with an exit in case it floods is good. I feel for you and the rest of the east coast. Remember to keep your head down. It’s not the winds that get you, it’s the shit IN the wind that does you in.

I don’t know you but you seem like a sensible guy so you should be fine. Common sense goes a very long way in situations like this. All the best to you and yours! We’ll see you on the other side.
I_S

bigargon
bigargon
August 25, 2011 10:17 pm

I live in fairfield county in Connecticut so we will seriously get wacked. In a twisted sort of way i ahve enjoyed hurricanes, but this one looks to be much then the one i remembered in my youth.

DavosSherman
DavosSherman
August 26, 2011 11:14 am

Never underestimate the stupidity of some people http://www.wesh.com/r-video/28983987/detail.html