Yesterday I ranted about how I am sick and tired of the pain I go through in order to maintain my small business. Specifically, I was screaming about how my life is made hell by a never-ending series of bad employees, that think I owe them a living and that they owe me nothing for the $85,000 per year it costs me to employ them. One dear poster advised me to “just fire them all and do all the work myself”. That is a great answer, which shows a complete lack of understanding of what running a small business is about. Not that I haven’t considered it, mind you.
In general figures, I employ approximately 100 persons, and these can be roughly categorized as follows:
– 10 employees are absolutely top-notch. I pay and treat them accordingly. I am not one who buys into the “treat everyone the same” bullshit. These folks are outstanding, and I treat them accordingly. Often, other employees come to me wanting something, and when denied, they say “But you let so-and-so do such-and-such”. I am very straightforward when that occurs – I simply respond that when they do as good a job as so-and-so they too will get special privileges. That tends to shut them up.
– About 70 employees are acceptable. They do not cause me too much headache, they generally come to work, they need not too much supervision, etc. However, the job isn’t near the top of their priority list. They are more concerned about other things. Very rarely do they ever move up to the next level – almost never, in fact. However, they do often move down.
– About 20 employees are unacceptable to the business, and I have to work continuously to weed them out. It is hard work to do so, and it requires a lot of skill and experience and dedication to accomplish. Most of the weeding out falls to me as a result. Failure to weed out these twenty on a continuing basis would see my company collapse in very short order.
These bottom twenty are the source of perhaps half the grief in my life. Customers account for perhaps 25%, and the government accounts for the balance. What makes these 20 bad employees? To me, a bad employee is one that does not do his/her job, misses a lot of work, disrupts the workforce, requires and inordinate amount of supervision, refuses or attempts to refuse work-orders, hinders training efforts, works slowly, wastes time, etc.
The reasons that people are bad employees are many, and include the following: drug addiction, alcoholism, criminal activity, gambling problems, problems with their spouses/partners, problems with their children (misbehaviour at school, crimes, attention deficit disorders, etc.), weight and health problems, smoking addictions, outside activities taking precedence over work, heavy indebtedness, problems with sick parents, car problems, general laziness, feelings of being mistreated/unfairly treated/ poorly paid, stealing from me (both goods and time), depression, aggression, false claims of injury/discrimination, attempted suicide (occasionally successful suicide, unfortunately), grandiose sense of entitlement, etc. etc. etc. I see and have to deal with all of these reasons regularly, and by regularly I mean daily. Unfortunately, many of the acceptable employees slide into the unacceptable category over time, for any one of the reasons above.
When I am hiring, in general I need to hire 4 or 5 employees to get one that makes it into the acceptable category. I never seek to hire someone that fits into the top, outstanding category. That is a fool’s errand. Of these 4 or 5, the majority self-select out pretty quickly when they realize that they will actually be required to work. That is not on their agenda. Please keep in mind that all of my employees have the opportunity to make more than the average wage, and can make upwards of $55,000 per year if they are even marginally dedicated. Of these 4 or 5, one or two will require a push out the door, which isn’t too hard to accomplish nor too painful, as it occurs before they are entrenched into the business. And so in the end I am left with one employee that that is acceptable. Hopefully that one will not eventually become an unacceptable employee, but it happens.
Once the employee is entrenched in the business, and falls prey to any of the reasons/situations that result in him/her becoming an unacceptable employee, my job becomes infinitely harder. Managing through those situations is difficult. The best result is to get them back to an acceptable level, as they are trained and able to do the job required, but simply are not doing so. To lose them means going back to that revolving door of hiring 5 to get one, and the costs associated with that are substantial. Additionally, on a human level, trying to salvage the situation is the right thing to do. Some of them I am able to move back up, but a great many I am not. This process largely falls to me, as it requires a significant skill and experience base. The additional fact is that most people simply are unable to confront this range of issues, nor are they prepared to terminate an employee. It is a difficult thing, I assure you.
So, this, in a nutshell, is what I face each day with respect to dealing with my employees. It is never-ending. I have been doing it for over 30 years now, and I am growing weary.
But compounding this are other major issues involved in running a small business.
– The government adds to the burden daily, via an endless stream of red tape, OHSA regulation, Obamacare, etc.
– My customers look continuously for me to drop prices and improve quality of product and service, and take a very short-term view of the world. I lose business to China/Thailand/India et al in a slow but steady trickle.
– I have a cost base of around $85,000 per employee, while my overseas competition has a base of perhaps $5,000 to $10,000 per employee. Just think about that – the labor I use costs almost 20 times as much as that of some of my direct competitors.
– The skill base required to run a successful small business is huge. To run a small business requires a depth and breadth of skill rarely found. A lot of the need for this skill base comes from government mandate, but customers push a lot of it onto the business as well. For instance, how many people reading this have ever set up an accredited quality system? A quality system is extremely difficult to establish and is very expensive to maintain, and generates no return whatsoever save to appease the customer. Other skills required to run a small business include production planning, purchasing, accounting and financial skills, human resource skills, marketing and sales skills, engineering skills, maintenance skills, debt collecting skills, etc.
– Further, the personal risk absorbed by small business owners is substantial. Not only do business owners, in general, risk all of their worldly possessions by establishing a business, they also assume liability for the actions (read possible stupidity) of their employees. What if a driver that works for the company gets drunk and runs over someone while out on a run? What if an employee disables a safety guard because it annoys him, and someone is injured or killed? Who is ultimately responsible for those actions? The business owner.
Although I have rambled on a bit, I want to quickly point out an industry that is suffering mightily due to the pressures of running a business. That industry is doctors in private practice. Doctors spend a large portion of their lives gaining medical skills. In order to run a small practice, they also need to possess the skills described above, and to also be able to navigate the insurance/Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare system and still turn a profit. Just when and how are they supposed to obtain these skills, given their dedication to the medical profession? Is it any wonder that private practices are disappearing in large numbers, with large numbers of doctors going bankrupt. Spare a thought for those many doctors that visit this site, as their burden is both extreme and unfair. As is that of small business people everywhere.
But back to the question of why do I not just fire everyone and do it myself? To do so would be to eliminate the livelihoods of 100 people, plus there is the flow on effect it would have throughout the community. Perhaps several hundred families would be affected, as the jobs would flow overseas, for sure and certain. That is a decision I am loathe taking, despite being mightily dismayed and unhappy with a lot of my day-to-day work-life. Also, it has been my life’s work to create and build things, and it would be gut-wrenching to walk away.
The day is coming that my business will end, I am afraid, and we are slowly winding it down in response to various pressures. For instance, as customers take profitable goods from us to build them overseas instead, we also then choose to stop making less-profitable goods in order to keep margins in balance. We are managing our products so as to maintain profitability while slowly shrinking the business. However, each day brings a new governmental or customer-generated challenge. We will continue on, but for how long is the question. I guess things will come to a head within the next 5 years. I hope it may be different. But I do not expect it to be. I wonder who will be left to turn out the lights when all small business is gone.
llpoh
I wonder which category of employee RE would fall into?
Serious question. Do you think the labor advantage your Chinese competitors have is based on unfair trade and currency practices by the Chinese? Do you think we should impose tariffs on their goods to even the playing field?
llpoh
Your description of a bad employee reminded me of this:
llpoh
I know exactly what you are talking about. In 2002 I sold my construction company; I could not take the shit anymore. I was working seven days a week and just about to lose my mind. I had 45 men working for men on seven crews spread all over the state. They would tear shit up faster than I could replace it. I sold the business, went back to school and started a brand new career, best move I ever made, no regrets’.
“About 20 employees are unacceptable to the business.”
It appears this has been an on-going problem?
Not being a smartass — but why has it been so difficult to weed out such employees BEFORE you hire them?
I’ve hired a number of employees. Never had any problems really. But it was in the computer field … mostly programmers. Fairly easy to determine whether or not a programmer knows his shit. Maybe it’s as simple as determining whether or not someone can do repetitive factory work is more difficult?
llpoh: My friend, I hope you paid attention a long while ago when I suggested that you archive every post you have made here on TBP. You have created, at a minimum, an Assoc. Degree worth of common sense (and probably more than that – but I’d have to read everything you’ve written again to judge it) and eventually, when you tire of what you do, you can then take all your hard won lessons that are posted here on TBP over time, edit them and put out a kick ass book for reference by anyone thinking of starting his/her own business.
You’ve got the brains, balls and stick-to-it or you wouldn’t be where you are today. It’s been my distinct pleasure to read your posts and comments..
MA
Admin – I think where the Chinese are behaving unfairly is 1) that they do not require employee protections – i.e. they have virtually no OHS or employment laws, or none that are enforced. This gives them an enormous advantage, 2) they “dump” product below cost on a regular basis, 3) they have effective barriers to entry into their own markets, with respect to company ownership, etc., that prevent competition, 4) they maintain artificial exchange rates, 5) they take advantage of transfer pricing mechanisms wherever possible (that is more a Japanese thing but the Chinese are starting to do it too), 6) they wield almost monopolistic clout in certain areas (i.e. rare earths as a prime example, 7) they do not honor intellectual property rights, and are quite prepared to steal everything they can lay their hands on, etc. The Chinese play by no known rules of law – anything goes. They are happy to cheat at everything they do – putting 12 year old gymnasts in the Olympics and swearing they are 16 is the perfect example. Laws do not apply to them.
So, although in general I believe in free-trade, these bastards cheat and abuse international law at every opportunity. So yes, I believe that punitive action needs to be taken – not only tariffs but total blockades of certain goods – in order to get a level playing field. The wage differential will still by and large exist, but at least it will be a fair game and not one rigged so that the winner is absolutely predetermined. And right now no small manufacturer can compete against the Chines, and there is no prospect of that changing, as the system is being gamed entirely by the Chinese. If the system were fair, at least some incentive would exist for small businesses to hang in there until such times as wages equalized a bit. But with the way it is, thee is no hope that wage equalization will help, as they are killing us on all fronts by doing things we Westerners consider illegal and unethical.
Being crushed by the wage differential is one thing. Having no hope of hanging in there as the bastards do not operate under rule of law is another thing entirely.
Sorry sons of bitches they are. and our politicians for allowing it to happen. Mustn’t upset the Chinese, though, or they will stop loaning us money.
llpoh
I agree with you 100%. The Chinese cheat at every opportunity. The market is not free and the playing field is not even.
I believe the mega-corps are the ones who like the rules as they are. They can adapt and easily shift operations offshore, while knowing small businesses like yours cannot.
I also think the mega-corps like government regulations because they can bribe their way out. They know that small businesses like yours can’t hire 30 lawyers and 20 tax gurus to work around the regulations or call your Senator for a favor.
As George Carlin says, “It’s a Big Club, but you ain’t in it.”
MA
+100. You could do the same.
I’m putting all my posts in a new book: “How To Fuck Up a Wet Dream In One Month, For Dummies”.
Sensetti – well done. I am glad it worked out.
Muck – high praise indeed. But you are scaring the living shit out of me lately. I am sleeping under my bed since reading your forecasts. Thanks for the forewarning!
Stuck – unfortunately, the lazy ass bastards that make the 20% do not hang a sign around their necks advertising that fact. And being in the industry I am in, we hire, largely, unskilled workers with previous manufacturing experience. Ex-employers are loathe to tell you much these days. Further, a large percentage of the 20% were at one time acceptable – and fall over due to one of the many reasons listed above – marriage break-ups, drug or alcohol abuse, heavy indebtedness, family problems, etc. They do not start in that bottom 20% or they would be gone quickly. They move there from the middle 70%.
Also, as an owner of a business, the way I evaluate employees will be different fro the way perhaps you as a hired manager might do so (I am assuming it wasn’t your business, but please correct that assumption if wrong). And yes, factory workers are a whole different breed to computer programmers (I have manage those, too, which was more akin to herding cats than anything else. They generally were OK, but could be easily distracted by the joys of computer nerddom).
llpoh
I think you could add #8) no quality standards.
I think you’ll agree, quality is expensive.
I don’t know what you make. But the Chinese have advantages in certain industries … food and pharma cimmediately ome to mind … whereby American companies MUST meet very high standards. While the Chinese don’t give a flying fuck if their products kill you, literally.
Stuck – right you are. And the American people, and short-sighted American companies, are more than happy to buy shit so long as it is cheap. But that said, the Chinese are improving their quality daily.
You are correct. I worked for a large computer company. But a good part of my pay increases / advancement was based on productivity from people I hired, and a bad hire was always a very negative mark since HP was loathe to fire anyone. So, I had some skin in the game, although not as much as you the Owner.
“Herding cats” “Computer nerddom” Fuckin’ A. lol You hit the nail on the head!!
I hear you loud and clear, and surely what you have written makes sense. I have no doubt that your accounting of the clusterfuck it is to be the proprietor and owner of a small business is exactly as you describe.
I do take umbrage with your hostility at the idea your employees have personal lives–sick children, aging parents, dentist appointments, car problems, etc.–as though your employees live in some personal Utopia without a concern or problem in the world besides showing up every day to make you #1.
Surely idiot government regulations have run amok and complicate your endeavor. But would you have us revert to exploitative days of the Industrial Revolution rife with human rights abuses environmental degradation and desperately dangerous work conditions?
I think the largest part of your problem is not an employee issue, it is that your business is competing with foreign businesses which are indeed in the throes of their own unregulated,ugly, inhumane, smog enshrouded industrial revolution. But eventually the Chinese/Bangladeshis/Vietnamese/Indian citizens will rise up against the businesses exploiting their desperation and their natural environment, and they too will will demand the same humane considerations afforded to western workers.
As the west discovered, those terrible conditions cannot be perpetrated forever, the east will come to the same point of realization. Problem is, that point isn’t now and you are competing against them now.
It is unfair of you to blame your employees lack of human perfection to the very slave labor working conditions overseas where life is cheap. It isn’t so much the fault of incompetence on your employees part, but the willingness of desperate people on the other side of the globe who sell themselves to employers for next to nothing. That will not continue forever.
Uh-oh.
Where’s the popcorn?
Admin – I am sure you are right re the mega-corps. Mega-corp managers do not worry like owners do – they look after their own skins, but know they can walk away from their mistakes at any time with a shrug of their shoulders and an “oops”. Owners cannot do that.
Sensetti reminded my of an issue I had once with a skilled tradesman. We were moving a high-dollar turning machine – worth around $20k. We were lifting the machine with a chain and a forklift onto a truck. I noticed the chain was not safety rated, and stopped the lift, and sent someone after the proper chain, rated to do the job,, and went off to attend to other duties. My idiot tradesman decised that the chain they were using would do the job, and decided not to wait for the chain I had ordered be used. He hoised the machine up towards the back of the truck, and the unrated chain snapped, and the machine crashed to the ground. Fortunately no one was killed, but the machine was destroyed, although we were able to get it working eventually, but it cost us perhaps $10k or more in lost value and expense. I questioned the tradesman as to why the fuck he hadn’t waited as I had instructed, and he shrugged – seriously, he shrugged his shoulders – and said he was in a hurry. I turned peuple and was spitting and cussing and threatening him physically – the shrug especially caused me to lose it – and fired him and ran him off my site personally – no emptying out his locker, nothing. He cost me over ten grand of my own money – a skilled tradesman – and shrugged when questioned why. No apology, no nothing. Motherfucker, I went through the roof. And you know me – always levelheaded.
Yep, employing people can be very challenging.
Marrissa – in all honesty, you are fucking clueless. I do not pay people to slack off at work – i pay them to work. Their personal issues are their personal issues. My job is to run a business and keep them and 100 others employed. It costs me $8.5 MILLION motherfucking dollars a year to do that. I need them at work, and I need them paying attention to that work while they are there. End of story. I am not their motherfucking father nor am I their shrink nor do I give one shit about their personal problems – we all have personal problems – I pay them to WORK.
How would you like it if you hired someone to come and do gardening for you. At the end of the day they hand you a billl for $500, and you notice they hadn’t done anything, but they explained that they had some personal issues, but expected to be paid anyway. Would you pay them/ Hell fucking no you wouldn’t pay them. But you think I should pay them? You stupid shit-for-brains ignorant bitch. Seriously. Grow the fuck up. don’t be sucj an ignoramus. what world do you live in that you expect because I am an employer that I should have to pay for my employees personal problems? You wouldn’t do it. Holy fucking shit you are stupid.
POPCORN !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep – that would be a great world. Take your car to be a mechanic, come back, have to pay for work not done because the mechanics child was sick. Ma, there is stupid, and then there is Marissa. Yep, we employers can afford to do what no one else would do. Yep – employers need to bear the cost of whatever happens to an employee in his or her life.
Yep, people, Marissa reflects the attitude of many of that 20% I continualy weed out of my business. A sense of entitlement that includes the employer being responsible for every-fucking-thing in an employees life, and an obligation to pay for it too. Fuck me dead.
OK. I hope I don’t regret posting this.
llpoh, you kinda come across like a hard-ass. But, I know you’re not.
For example, suppose a worker catches the flu and has a 103 degree fever. I’m pretty damn sure you wouldn’t expect that employee to come to work … infecting other workers as well as further damaging their own health. But, you come across like you do.
That’s all I’m saying.
“Can’t we all just get along?” — Rodney Fucking King
Stucky – getting sick doesn’t make someone a bad worker. Not at all. I have never fired anyone for being sick. Never. I defined being a bad employee as “To me, a bad employee is one that does not do his/her job, misses a lot of work, disrupts the workforce, requires and inordinate amount of supervision, refuses or attempts to refuse work-orders, hinders training efforts, works slowly, wastes time, etc.” I could have clarified “misses a lot of work” to not include legitimate sickness, but I figured people would be smart enough to figure it out.
I need workers – why would I get rid of any that are making me money? That is plain stupid, plus there is the cost of replacing them. But any that are not making me money I do not keep. If they fall into the bad employee category, they are not making me money. I am not a charity and cannot keep those folks around. It is hard to confront that issue, but there is o option.
“LLPOH says:
You stupid shit-for-brains ignorant bitch. Seriously. Grow the fuck up”
Your eloquence and humanity are like a sunny day. Commendable vitriol in response to consideration of minimal standards of human and environmental dignity.
Lead the way down the plank captain.
1. I bought a brand new mini excavator and a dumbass rolled it and tore it all to hell the first day.
2. Another dumbass forgot the gas regulator and piped high pressure natural gas into a home. It was on a main line out in the country. Luckily I caught it in time and we did not kill anyone.
3. Another dumbass clearing right of way, plug up an irrigation ditch, over a long weekend it rained like hell and flooded a basement ,I bought everything in the basement at a premium price.
I could go on and on and on. The individuals that did this shit all had experience.
I would rather hire someone 40 as i would 20 is all I learned from that experience.
I made money but I had a crisis to deal with almost daily.
My heart has rate jumped just remembering the crazy shit.
Sensetti – nice examples. We could trade all day.
I had a guy compacting trash in a dumpster by standing on the edge of it and jumping into it on his ass. It was full of glass, steel off-cuts, etc. He could have died.
I had a prick smoking in a paint booth.
I had a guy smoking while cleaning parts with solvent – he was running around like Johnny Flame from the Fantastic Four. Luckily he wasn’t badly injured.
I had a shit-for-brains take a blowtorch to a specialized drill machine because he couldn’t get the bit out and thought that would losen it – cost me a few thousand.
I had a numbskull leave the valve open on a large tank of isocyanate – drained a few hundred gallons out at a cost of several thousand.
I had a jackass unqualified on a fork lift jump on one and knock over a stack of metal parts – around ten grand gone and almost a fatality.
It goes on and on.
Marissa – please shut up. You are an embarrassment.
Stuck – I may sound like a hard-ass. I am not without compassion, in my opinion, at least. Many people, for whatever reason, do not understand that a business exists for one reason and one reason only – to make money for the owners of the business. It has no other reason for existence. To add the burden of social welfare providers to a bussiness only serves to ensure that it cannot make money and to hasten its extinction. all businesses go extinct in the end, but hopefully new ones rise up to take their places. However, governments are continually increasing the socail welfare burden, and beaurocratic burden, on business, and so new businesses are not rising up to take the place of the ones that are failing.
The camel has borne its last straw, but governments, and left leaning idiots, are too stupid to realize that there is indeed a finite burden that they can bear, and that the skills and experience required to start a business are now so great that young people – say in their early thirties – no longer are able to obtain the skills and experience necesary in order to start businesses.
Young people starting businesses are the lifeblood of small business as a whole. We desperately need 30-something year olds starting businesses, as it takes energy and enthusiasm to grow and develop a business, and it takes time. But it is too difficult and too risky these days. We are killing off small busines via attrition.
LLPOH,
And now you can understand why I love farming. I am my own boss, can work as hard as I want, the harder and smarter I work, the more I can make. Life is good here.
You are doing Gods (or is it God’s admin?) work putting up with people who think they are owed a living. At least they think they should have a job, I guess.
Good luck man. The masses that haven’t employed people (and we do, BTW) have no clue what a headache it can be.
EF
Efarmer – I love only three industries – farming, manufacturing, and mining. Everything comes down to those three industries. And I mean everything. Thanks for the kind words. Hope the weather smiles on you this year!
LLPOH
You forgot Ivy League Diploma mills. They are crucial to ruining America.
Admin – very funny. But watch it. Too close to home that.
LLPOH
There are far too many people who have never signed the bottom of a paycheck that believe that a job is simply a social welfare agency. A large part of the work force is included in that description; and they wonder why it’s so hard to find/keep a job. Thanks for telling it like it is. Your bluntness is refreshing-and hilarious.
This will not work for many employers: Many of my salaried staff were abusing personal time/sick time. A few were even moonlighting while on my clock. I put EVERYONE on the hourly clock and I manage their time. If they are not needed or are difficult to manage they are sent home. If they want time off they do not get paid.
We no longer have sick days. If they have vacation days available they can use them to make up hours. It was hard to prove moonlighting on my time but eventually they were terminated.
Employees have no skin in the game like owners do. Even unsatisfactory employees seem to be able to find others jobs. Owners asses are on the line all the time.
Some criticize me for being emotional when we continue loosing MY money year after year.
I look forward to someday getting a paycheck from my own company. It is getting difficult to continue with this shit. Maybe this boomer will cash in and let everyone fend for themselves.
BTW: I DO have a few very good staff members who work smartly and diligently—for them and their families, I’d hate to close up shop.
DaveD – many thanks. Hope to see you post often. We do have fun. A lot of folks do not understand or care that someone foots the bill for every screw up. Sounds like you have footed a few bills.
Chronic – great work. It is indeed hard and I hope you get rich as Midas for all of your effort. People do not understand that theft of time is theft, pure and simple. Theft of time costs me hundreds of thousands per year – many would not believe it. Ten minutes per day times 100 is one thousand minutes at more or less a dollar per minute is $200,000 per year. It is undoubtedly more than that.
Yes, it is sad when good, honest hard-working folk are affected. You are surely right.
Funny how all small business people have much the same experience.
So ive mentioned how the whole idea of free trade dosent work for us when we compete with such cheap labor,I rarely get any support on this thought.The whole concept is frikin bad for the usa.
I had a wealthy man my family knows comment when i told him about the one hundred percent
turnover rate in the trucking industry.Along with all the wrecked trucks and accounts lost to bad service.His comment is to pay a little more and attract the best people and save in the long run.
I have never known “to pay a little more” to work. That is the theory but in practice it fails. Maslow’s hierarchy of needs I suppose. Money is not a motivator with regard to employee performance.
Llpoh said, “I love only three industries – farming, manufacturing, and mining.” Yep. That about sums up what makes the world turn. We live in a lonely world here on TBP.
@ marissa
Hang in there. Llpoh is having a bad hair day. Either that or he was “counting coup” at your expense. Look it up. It’s an American Indian term.
According to the industrial 80-20 Rule – 80% of the work is done by 20% of the workforce. Why not lay-off or fire the other 80% of your employees that produce only 20% of your manufacturing output and save yourself $7 million per year and a lot go ongoing grief and aggravation. If need be send the other 20% of work that that would normally be done by the 80% you have terminated to China. There are good manufacturers in the Far East that turn out respectable high quality products if you shop around.
FTL – I wish it were possible. My top ten do probably fifty percent more than each of the next seventy, who in turn do doublethatofthe bottom twenty. The seventy are the general standard.
SSS – I was counting coup all right. But folks that think I should be nanny to my workers because I somehowhave that obligation piss me off. They can go to church for spiritual help. But they either work for me in a way that makes me money or they can shove off. It is business, pure and simple. I pay for something, and if I do not get it I tend to quickly stop paying. I am sure that is the same for Marissa. If she went into a bakery ten times and paid for bread each time but only got it eight times because the baker was having personal issues I doubt she would keep going to that baker. I pay, my employees provide their labor in return. If they do not, then the contract is broken. No hard feelings. Nothing personal. Just business.
Llpoh
The same out here. It is almost impossible to find good help. The bad employees take so much of your time its hard to do anything else. They run to the labor borad to be defeated but do it to spite you. Why you expect them to work. It is a symptom of the disease that ahd murdered this country. The pursuit of self pleasure at all costs.
“I wonder which category of employee RE would fall into?”-Admin
The category of employee who generates about triple in receivables what he requires in compensation, including payroll taxes, workmans comp, ss and medical bennies. I’ve made money for every bizness I ever worked for in 5 different industries. If the owner doesn’t show proper respect, I walk. That is his choice. I can always find another place to work, said Owner cannot always find somebody who makes money for his bizness.
RE
http://www.doomsteaddiner.org
How about the employee that left on a friday did not show up for two week and thenshowed up ready to work. We loaned him a RV to help him out. When he came back he wanted his previous check and wanted to know where HIS house was. He also demanded his check now! We sent it to his last know adress. His wife. He still feels like we jacked him around. And he wanted his job back! LOL Replaced him long ago. It is hopeless.
RE sez, ” I ever worked for in 5 different industries.”
I say, if you were competent, you would have succeeded in one industry.
“I say, if you were competent, you would have succeeded in one industry.”
Thus spake Zara-thustra.
I say its valuable to be competent at many things and not get yourself locked in to any one means of making a living. People these days who have only one area of expertiese in industries rapidly going the way of the Dinosaur are going right along with them down the toilet.
Zara, I can run an analytic chemistry laboratory, I can run regression analysis of numbers on a spreadsheet, I can coordinate and schedule logistics, I can program a relational database, I have a CDL and can run Heavy Equipment, I can teach mathematics through AP Calculus, I can navigate a sailboat with a sextant from here to Tristan da Cunha and I’m a very good Fisherman. I also can write more Propaganda faster than anybody else sitting in front of a keyboard. What can you do?
RE
llpoh~
thanks for another excellent article. and for your kind words about the plight of doctors. i spent all day in one of the particular domains of hell that is trying to practice medicine in 21st century america–the JCAHO accreditation survey. a government mandated inspection/certification to insure that over the past three years you have organized, collected, compiled and classified a dozen reams of paperwork to satisfy myriad regulations, committee guidelines and specifications, 90% of which have zero to do with actual, practical patient or workplace safety and quality. and recommendations/requirements for additional paperwork you should begin compiling for the next anal probing three years hence. plus a bill for the pleasure, as well as a bill for the ‘consultant’ who prepares you for the event. another racket in huckster america.
thank goodness in the morning all i have to do is actually take care of patients. then resume fighting the insurance companies to pay me for the patients i took care of last month, but they decide that they would rather keep the money for themselves. i rarely indulge in such complaints, because i have it better than 98% of doctors in america, by luck of my specialty, my personal circumstances, and my low limits of how much bullshit i will tolerate (for particular dollar amounts–you pay me enough, my tolerances increase accordingly).
see, you say something considerate and supportive of docs in private practice, and you’re rewarded with a self-indulgent rant. but the frustration that fuels my rant is not my personal travails. as i said, mine are meager, compared to those of the other docs who regularly post here, the docs i work with, and the situation of most physicians in america today. the frustration stems from over 30 years in the health care business, seeing the whole profession hollowed out, degraded from the margins, and thoroughly destroyed just as surely as farming and manufacturing have been in this country (sorry, i don’t know shit about mining). the quality of health in america, more importantly than the quality of health care, much less the quality of the experience as a practicing doctor are all in the shitter, and getting worse every year. despite all the money, all the technology, all the progress.
the loss of professionalism is a key piece of this decline. the grinding down of the profession of medicine, which relied on the educated, experienced judgment of the physician at the core of the health care system, is nearly complete. judgment, paired inextricably with autonomy. the freedom to exercise that judgment in the best interest of your patient. gonzo. a thing of the past.
every step, every decision, is governed by insurance companies, government laws, regulations and conditions, pharmaceutical company misallocation and propaganda, yadda yadda yadda. we get headaches, hassles, and significantly decreased salaries (compared to our fellow citizens in the FIRE economy–when i was a kid, i don’t remember the surgeon living in a smaller house than the real estate agent or the insurance vice president). sucks for us. but you, america, get the crap health. sucks worse for you.
see what you made me/inspired me to do, llpoh?
LLOPH,
I wish I had more time for a longer response……maybe tomorrow. From an employee perspective, you have to weed out that bottom 20 for all the reasons you listed AND because they will eventually drag down other “acceptable” employees. I absolutely love my job and wake up happy at the prospect of going to work everyday but there are a couple of assholes at work that seem to actively bring the place down. How management does not see this is beyond me.
I’m not sure what your business is (machining I think) but thanks to the best advice I ever got from my father, I would without a doubt, be one of your top ten employees. I always have been everywhere I’ve ever worked.
I_S
@ Howard
Maybe you should consider alternative means of making a living? What else do you know how to DO besides doctoring?
RE
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Llpoh says:
I have never known “to pay a little more” to work. That is the theory but in practice it fails. Maslow’s hierarchy of needs I suppose. Money is not a motivator with regard to employee performance.
+100! Once you accept a job on whatever terms were agreed, get to fucking work! Again, from an employee perspective I see the bottom feeders “maximize their fuck off time” as much as possible and then they have the audacity to bitch that they don’t make more money! Really? Would another $5k really make that much difference? Perhaps $10k? We recently had an asshole that took three to four 20 minute bathroom breaks everyday! He would sit in there playing fucking video games on his phone! He only worked four tens each week but used up all of his sick leave and part of his vacation to whittle that down to 3 days per week before they fired his ass March 16th. Now management is pissed and is making all employees pay for it! Since the company’s inception in 1999, employees got 40 hours of sick leave and 80 hours of vacation every year on Jan. 1st. Now they are going to dole out those benefits throughout the year with so many hours given per paycheck (bi-weekly) because ONE ASSHOLE too advantage and pissed them off. What? You wanted to take two weeks off in July for vacation? So sorry……you won’t have two full weeks until your Dec. 31st paycheck!
This does not really affect me so much as I usually roll over unused vacation and sick leave every year but it still pisses me off. Had I not rolled that time over, I would have to take unpaid leave for the surgery I’m having tomorrow which I have already put off for eight years! And yes, I feel like I’m letting the company down by needing time off for the surgery! If you have a job and think that the bottom 20% does not affect you, you better wake up dumbass!
I_S
llpoh
Excellent writing. Alas, you can’t convince everyone — against marissa the gods themselves contend in vain.
I’ve had two splendid bosses in a long and varied career — indeed, both were mentors. Otherwise, a whole spectrum including the incompetent and complete assholes. I’d rather have a hard-ass. Yeah, my two mentors were, taskmasters and teachers in their own way. Thus, when I became a chief engineer, I had a good foundation.
One thing you swaid above: “Money is not a motivator with regard to employee performance.”
This is true. When we were building Channel 19 literally in an unfinished building, we had a small but eager crew that accomplished what trade papers called ‘the best independent today’. When the head office reckoned they could not afford all the overtime (to meet a deadline) we continued to do what we had to do because the goal was more important than the pay.
RE
Although not at your exalted level, my career included salesman, itinerant musician, technician, executive secretary, computer magazine columnist, co-author of one published book, technical writer, circuit design and programming, ESL and adult literacy tutor, TV scriptwriter, photographer, and media producer. Often, three or four things on the go in the same time period, more fun than being a serial mover …
@loopy, +10
Yep…that about covers it.
Here’s a thought. Just like every junkie/alkie has an enabler , government needs one as well.
Llpoh- ‘Sorry sons of bitches they are. and our politicians for allowing it to happen.”
No. The business owners of We the US, allowed it to happen.When looking for blame look no further than the mirror.
Refuse to create or produce and the best starves.
What the small business owners of America should do do is form their own Union and organize a national strike against the strong arm tactics of the crime syndicate masquerading as a Federal Government .
Sure there would be much pain and gnashing of teeth involved, but the effort would pay off.
Maybe not for the present owners , but for the future.
It is the future we’re talking about and pissing and moaning ain’t going to change anything.
The Occupy kids are trying , but have no clout .They are in dire need of some mature guidance and what better way than to show the doodlings just how to bring a Leviathan to it’s knees.
Could Atlas Shrug?
Sure.Why not?
Better voluntarily under your own terms than to slowly wilt away under the duress of a mountain of regulation and taxation created by those who’ve never produced anything more tangible than the business of over-flowing a toilet.
The Federal government may be able to buy votes, but the nations’ business owners enable the voters to buy their bread and every other item they consume.The majority can survive with a lot less government , but when the nations producers’ stop, that’s it.
Cannibalism ensues.
A national business owners strike would open up a seat at the bargaining table for true capitalists.Something the worthless bitch boyz at US Chamber of Commerce only pretend to do.
As my old man used to repeat to me over and over….”can’t never could”.
And won’t never will.
llpoh~
apologies for hijacking your comments thread, following up on your excellent article. no one else to vent to at 4am.
i have minimal experience hiring and managing people, other than physicians. your experiences make me grateful for that.
RE: yes i have. two things hold me back. first, i really like my work, the actual patient care. i am very good at the work, and the degree of satisfaction from using skills and experience gained from years of hard work is tremendous. second, i get paid a lot. less than four years ago, but still a lot. i have tried a variety of other things over the years (a dot-com, an overseas hospital venture, legal work, other consulting work, sportswriting) but the cash and security/ease of earning keeps bringing me back.
but were i in a different specialty, i would have bolted years ago. no way i could take all the shit hope at ZK puts up with. and there are certain steps that the government will likely take in the near future that will cause me to hang up the stethoscope. like requiring us to see medicare patients. (i do take care of them; i refuse to bill or otherwise officially participate in the program. i would rather see a few patients for free than be subject to the government rules to collect the meager compensation.)
LLPOH
Would you hire this dude?
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I would give him a shot. He will have to do 12 hrs each shift, get very dirty and do it 6 days a week. 24.00 hr driving a truck down rough roads in all weather. Bet he would last 2 weeeks . Must pass a drig test too.
Can he keep the thumb ring?
RE, I don’t have to prove anything to some douchebag on the internet. If I recall correctly, you are a truck driver. I am an engineer. On any project I’ve worked on, your presence wouldn’t be noticed, AP calculus or not.
PS. Fuck off.
PSS, No offense.