Erskin and Louise Fulgham
went together to be with the Lord on July 23, 2013. Erskin was born on February 5, 1926 in Mathiston, MS. Louise was born on August 27, 1929 in Maben, MS. They moved to Tucson, AZ in 1957. They were married for 67 years and long standing members of Emmanuel Baptist Church. Erskin received a bronze medal for his Army service during World War II. Erskin retired from ASARCO and Louise from The University of Arizona Athletic Department. They are survived by son, Mike Fulgham; daughters, Glenda Kim, Jeanette Barger (Harvey) and Beth Fulgham; brothers, Monroe Dewberry, Hubert Fulgham (Catherine) and Henry Fulgham (Beverly); sister, Annie Lee Young; many grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Services will be held Thursday, August 1, 2013 at 10:00 a.m. at EAST LAWN PALMS MORTUARY, 5801 E. Grant Rd. In lieu of flowers, donations to Honor Flight or Emmanuel Baptist Church.
(as published in the Arizona Daily Star, July 31, 2013)
Just another obituary, right? Not quite. Among the “many grandchildren” who survived Erskin, age 87 and in very frail health, and Mary Louise, age 83, was a grandson named Kyle Austin Drattlo, age 20. On July 24, the day after Erskin and Mary Louise died, Kyle and two companions, 23-year-old Christopher Edward Terry and 21-year-old Brianna Harding, were stopped for speeding in Tonapah, Nevada.
The Nevada State Police officer ran a check on the 2004 Buick they were driving. It had been reported by the Tucson Police as stolen in Tucson in connection with a murder investigation, and its owners were listed as Erskin and Louise Fulgham. Drattlo insisted to the officer that his grandparents gave him permission to use the car. So the officer then asked the trio where they were headed, and they told him they were going to a family reunion in Wyoming. One big problem. They were headed AWAY from Wyoming when they were stopped. All three were arrested and sent back to Arizona, where they were shortly charged with first-degree murder.
Here’s the part that will give you a warm, fuzzy feeling. Mary Louise Fulgham had been brutally and repeatedly stabbed to death in the chair in which she sat in her living room. Erskin Fulgham evidently saw the attack on his wife and tried to go to her aid. He didn’t make it out of the kitchen, where he too was stabbed and STOMPED AND KICKED to death by his attacker(s). The stomping was so severe that Erskin’s ribs were broken and his teeth knocked out of his mouth.
But wait, there’s more. Evidently, another grandson of Erskin and Mary Louise stopped in on the afternoon of their murder to check up on his “Nana and Papa,” which happens to be what our grandchildren refer to my wife and me. The front door of their home in a quiet, middle-class neighborhood was unlocked. He walked in and saw Nana slumped in her chair and thought she was napping. As he got closer, he saw the blood. Then he looked into the kitchen and saw the blood-splattered and severely beaten body of his Papa lying on the floor. Now, didn’t that brighten his, and your, day?
Details of this grisly double murder continue to trickle out. Evidently, grandson Drattlo and his male companion Christopher Terry are cooperating by pointing the finger at each other as to who actually committed the murders. That will help neither of them in the long run.
But here’s the really interesting part. Just today it was reported, again in the Arizona Daily Star, that Brianna Harding told police that all three of them were heavy users of Spice. She told police that they smoked Spice to the tune of 6 bags a day, at $20/bag. WTF is Spice, I asked myself? Here’s the answer, and you pot supporters won’t like it.
Synthetic cannabis is a psychoactive designer drug created by spraying natural herbs with synthetic chemicals that, when consumed, allegedly mimic the effects of cannabis. It is often known by the brand names K2 and Spice.
Research on the safety of synthetic cannabis is now becoming available. Initial studies are focused on the role of synthetic cannabis in psychosis. Synthetic cannabis may precipitate psychosis and in some cases it may be prolonged. Some studies suggest that synthetic cannabinoid intoxication is associated with acute psychosis, worsening of previously stable psychotic disorders, and it may trigger a chronic (long-term) psychotic disorder among vulnerable individuals such as those with a family history of mental illness.
When synthetic cannabis blends first went on sale in the early 2000s, it was thought that they achieved an effect through a mixture of legal herbs. Laboratory analysis in 2008 showed that this is not the case, and that they in fact contain synthetic cannabinoids that act on the body in a similar way to cannabinoids naturally found in cannabis, such as THC. It has been sold under various brand names, online, in head shops, and at some gas stations.
On November 24, 2010, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration announced it would use emergency powers to ban many synthetic cannabinoids within a month. In the US, as of March 1, 2011, five cannabinoids have been placed on Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act (and are therefore illegal to possess or use in the US); the Drug Enforcement Administration claims that said action is “to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety.” In July 2012, the Synthetic Drug Abuse Prevention Act of 2012 was signed into law. It banned synthetic compounds commonly found in synthetic marijuana, placing them under Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act.
P.S. I refuse to post any pictures of the animals who killed Erskin and Mary Louise Fulgham. Instead I want you to look at the helpless VICTIMS, married for 67 years, who suffered a horrifying and painful death.
So if marijuana were legal, nobody would bother creating more concentrated forms that are easier to hide and more expensive to produce, …or am I missing something?
Zara
Yes, you’re missing something. The killers bought something “like” marijuana to get high on for LESS than the real thing.
The key words are “Synthetic Chemicals”. They are not ingredients in marijuana. This “designer drug” is just another screwed up man made nightmare.
SSS, how would you know the actual price of the synthetic shit would be less than the actual stuff lacking an unfettered market?
So SSS are you making the argument for legalization of natural pot in order to get rid of the synthetic crap?
Wouldn’t marijuana be a lot cheaper if it was legal?
Sounds like bath salts to me, chemicals are bad news
Damn sad ,we are at the point of no return.I remember when we always left the doors unlocked .Now you can’t trust anybody.Damn shame.
Sorry, but I think the drugs are just an excuse used to lessen their sentences when justice is meted out.
He murdered his grandparents in cold blood. He’s evil.
I’ve heard of people smoking (the real) pot doing some dumb shit but nothing like this.
Jesus Christ.
Read the fucking article, people. Two 80-something people were brutally murdered because 3 hyped-up fucksticks were on a marijuana derivative drug.
No, you don’t want to deal with that reality. You parse, offer excuses, and say “what if” or “how do you know.” It’s there in black and white, for God’s sake. Yet you continue on your unrelenting, irrational course.
Sometimes, the comments on this site make me want to throw up. Your goddamed adherence to drug legalization, to which I have offered REASONABLE alternatives, is beyond the pale.
okay, I tried this synthetic crap a few times for shitzngiggles. Yes, it does cause a bit of paranoia. I dont recommend it. Smoke the real thing instead.
I know that this will cause SSS some turmoil, but I will not lie about my transgression.
Yeh, I tried it, legally. I’d rather smoke the real thing, legally, than support drug dealers and folks from China that would poison your pets.
Trippy S, I get it. Drugs are bad and sometimes shit happens when people take them.
Do you have the right to choose whether or not to take drugs or does the govt have the right to ban it for what the govt perceives as the public good?
Drugs, guns, abortion…… it’s the same fucking argument. Do you have the right to choose or does the govt get to make the decision for you?
“Read the fucking article, people. Two 80-something people were brutally murdered because 3 hyped-up fucksticks were on a marijuana derivative drug.”
Yeah, except that it is not a marijuana derivative drug. Chances are, and I am surprised that nobody else has pointed it out, that it was mixed with another drug within these teens. Most likely an anti-depressant, anti-anxiety, or ADHD medication. All pharm drugs that are mixed with synthetic pot are horrible chemical reactions within the brain. Without a drug test you cannot just point to synthetic pot as being the sole cause. I bet anything that it was mixed with something else. Even alcohol is a terrible mixture.
SSS – thanks for taking the time to post this. No matter what, it deserves better commentary than it is getting.
That two assholes would murder two old people is an indictment on society. The drugs, as far as I am concerned, is the secondary story. That society has decayed so far that grandkids kill their grandparents is gravely concerning. The drugs probably played a part, but who really knows.
May those pukes rot in hell. .
“Trippy S, I get it. Drugs are bad and sometimes shit happens when people take them.”
—-Leobeer @ SSS
That’s all I need to hear from you on drugs, dumbass. “Sometimes shit happens.” That’s it? Brilliant argument. I’m stunned with the simplicity of it all. Stunned, I tell you.
The same argument was used during proabition about some of the alternatives cooked up in bathtubs around the country. Face it SSS the cure of the drug war is worse than the disease of smoking pot. From the astonishing facts on incarceration for possesion to the mindlessness of gangs holding turf to sell pot the war has failed. You face a large uphill battle trying to convince the STM’S of this blog that any money spent on pot elimination in this country is a good idea. The fact that you tried to link pot to a chemical concoction with “similar”effects of pot is going no where on this blog.
In other words SSS, you picked a bad week to stop sniffin glue.
Calamity
Thanks for the thoughtful comments. The story is coming out in drips and drabs.
You may be right on psychotropic drugs being involved. The Tucson mass murderer Jared Loughner who killed 6 and injured 7 others, including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, was a CONFIRMED heavy marijuana smoker. His medical records, which contain treatment for mental disorders, have never been publically released. Another fucking coverup under privacy laws for a person who will be confined for the rest of his life.
Llpoh said, “That society has decayed so far that grandkids kill their grandparents is gravely concerning.” Yep.
SSS, where were you when pot was initially made illegal?
Your position would have been very useful, adding to the headlines claiming that marijuana turned blacks into uncontrollable sex machines who went out and raped white women.
Here we are, just about everyone has first hand or second hand experience with pot and you’re here to tell,us we don’t know jack, that it makes people CRAZY and murderous.
I was around people who were high quite a lot in college but the one that gave me a scar I see every day was DRUNK.
Locking people up for cultivating or smoking ditch weed, the stuff the natives stuffed in peace pipes. Yeah, that makes lots of sense.
SSS,
If you’re on an anti pot crusade I suggest you find a pot related story to jerk off with. This syn chem story don’t cut it. We all know that Big Pharma is evil, this only re-enforces that knowledge. You want to see intelligence, then show us the way.
If your crusade is about good law versus bad law, pot is probably the most polarized issue you could choose. Might make sense to pick a topic that’s more weighted to one side. Do you find it ironic that the ones that make the laws are responsible for the most murders?
Yeah, it sucks that good people get murdered. Shit happens, deal with it. Hell, you might as well get used to it, there’s more coming soon.
It is not a derivative of Sativa.It is an attempt at remaking THC on a molecular level.
Legalize the real thing, rob China and Mexican druglords of the profits and stop prescribing anti-depressants that increase thoughts of suicide.
Jeebus in an asylum.
porter
You’re a dumber cocksucker than Leobeer. I’m through with dealing with ignorant motherfuckers like you. If that story didn’t make you stop and think, and there are THOUSANDS more like it in this society, then nothing will.
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, you worthless, ignorant piece of shit.
SSS- I don’t agree with you though. Just because that kid in Tuscan was a pot smoker does not mean that was the cause. I think many will agree that mental problems and most likely pharm meds contributed more than pot ever would have. Same with these murders. I cannot say for sure, because synthetic pot has only been out for a short time. But I am sure that most of the negative effects of synthetic pot are connected to big pharm drugs mixing with them. I seen habitual pot smokers switch to synthetic and have no problems. I have also seen those on anti-anxiety or ADHD meds have a horrible trip because of the mixture.
“The Tucson mass murderer …was a CONFIRMED heavy marijuana smoker.”
I have known more than a few heavy marijuana smokers and none of them broke any laws (other than the drug laws.)
How many mass murderers were CONFIRMED tobacco smokers? Should we ban tobacco now?
This makes as much sense as banning guns because the mass murderer used a gun.
“His medical records, which contain treatment for mental disorders”.
There you go, that was the problem…….. not the pot use.
Well, sad as it is, I seem to be the only one here who has actually tried this stuff.
Again, I dont like it. Much of these synthetic things come from Asian lands.
i never killed anyone or stole their cars. We dont know why they did what they did. I doubt we will ever know,and the sheople will soon forget.
4WD- I tried one puff, not my cup of tea. You don’t mess with the classics.
SSS – the number of idiots around here has grown markedly. What a bummer.
Leobeer is generally not in that group so Erhaps you could see fit to give him a pass.
Z, porter etc are fair game. Calamity seems to be trying to lift her game. Worth noting.
Every compliment a surprise.
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JIMSKI
You haven’t listened to one, single word I’ve said about pot for the past four or five years on this site, and I’m not about to repeat any of it for you or Leobeer or porter or anyone else. In two words, fuck you.
If this article can’t make you stop and THINK, then nothing will. I no longer intend to meet irrational, bullshit comments like yours with anything thoughtful or fact-based, which I have tried to do so unsuccessfully in the past.
To JIMSKI and his ilk. Get ready for really over-the-top profane responses from me to your fucking ill-sourced, tired, unproven, jerk-off responses to illegal drugs. It’s exactly what you deserve.
4WD- I tried one puff, not my cup of tea. You don’t mess with the classics. _CT
I concur.
Llpoh, I don’t need a pass.
Needless tragedies happen all the time. Alcohol is often to blame, it isn’t banned. Guns are often blamed, some want to ban them. Synthetic pot is being blamed for this. It is a banned substance and yet the tragedy still occurred.
Banning shit that people enjoy because of the actions of a very small minority does not prevent tragedies like this.
“That’s all I need to hear from you on drugs, dumbass.”
—-SSS @ Leobeer
“How many mass murderers were CONFIRMED tobacco smokers? Should we ban tobacco now?”
—-Leobeer back @ SSS
Are we speaking the same language, dipshit? What is it about “all I need to hear from you” that you don’t understand? You add nothing to the dialogue about illegal drugs, fuckhead. Nothing.
Leo – this is more than a tragedy. This is a fucking evil, criminal act. Those fuckers need to pay with their lives. So you think that that untested, untrialed chemical cocktail should be legal because people enjoy it? Really?
Damn, leo, but if I were you I would take advantage of the pass, because you have left yourself wide open.
“If this article can’t make you stop and THINK, then nothing will.” — SSS
“Two 80-something people were brutally murdered because 3 hyped-up fucksticks were on a marijuana derivative drug.” — SSS
SSS, I did stop and think. Nowhere in the article does it say they were murdered BECAUSE of the drug. That is a conclusion you came up with. Nowhere does it say WHY.
“WTF is Spice, I asked myself? Here’s the answer, and you pot supporters won’t like it.”
Here you have assumed that a pot supporter is a spice supporter. Not necessarily true.
For the record, I haven’t smoked pot in at least 20 years. I gave it up because I no longer enjoyed it, I prefer beer. And no, I didn’t have any urges to kill my grandparents.
How wonderful of Llpoh to decide who is “fair game.” I’m sure SSS is quite relieved to have the benefit of his guidance and permission.
“Here you have assumed that a pot supporter is a spice supporter. Not necessarily true”
Exactly. I am not a synthetic supporter. I do however believe marijuana should be legal. Trying to say synthetic and marijuana are so similar they are equal is not true. They are as similar as GMOs and Organic vegetables.
Leobeer
Your posts on this thread are becoming increasingly irrational and, to me at least, really fucking unwelcome. You’ve made your stupid shit points. Now get your sorry fucking ass elsewhere.
Llpoh, I agree,the killers need to be strung up.
Should an untested chemical cocktail be legal? No. My point is banning it does not prevent tragedies.
Calamity
Do you ever know when to shut your fucking piehole? Ever?
@SSS – I am not sure what your point is. I am trying hard to understand, but it’s very jumbled and convoluted…
So, we need more/better/tougher War on Drugs?
Or,
We need to make tougher murder penalties?
Or,
Synthetic unknown chemical substances which may bind to cannabinoid receptors in the brain (by the way, SSS, many plants and even the human body itself produces a variety of cannabinoids — it is merely a type of chemical, one which binds with the natural cannabinoids receptors in your body) mean all cannabinoids need to be banned? (Presumably even those produced by the human body – if they are all equally harmful and dangerous by way of binding to the same receptors)
Or,
You really don’t know what the fucking fuck you are talking about, maybe?
From the National Institute on Drug Abuse, Regarding “Spice”:
“So far, there have been no scientific studies of Spice’s effects on the human brain, but we do know that the cannabinoid compounds found in Spice products act on the same cell receptors as THC, the primary psychoactive component of marijuana. Some of the compounds found in Spice, however, bind more strongly to those receptors, which could lead to a much more powerful and unpredictable effect. Because the chemical composition of many products sold as Spice is unknown, it is likely that some varieties also contain substances that could cause dramatically different effects than the user might expect.”
Comparing Spice to Marijuana is like comparing snorting Oxycodone to smoking the fresh milk of a poppy pod. Actually, it’s even worse than that because Oxycodone has a known chemical composition while Spice has an unknown chemical composition and surely includes other psychoactive ingredients which are NOT cannabinoids in any way. Regardless, Spice contains no THC or other natural cannabinoids from the marijuana plant. It is in no way a “marijuana derivative”. It is an unknown cocktail of synthetic drugs, some of which may bind with cannabinoids receptors in the human body in ways which are unknown and have never been studied. It’s really, really stupid to try Spice. It’s also really stupid to kill your grandparents. Maybe the problem is amoral, stupid people.
What about the millions of people who smoke marijuana every day and don’t murder anyone? Did I ever tell you my grandmother was stabbed to death in her chair (at age 82), by a hired gardener who came in and randomly attacked her? They think he was completely sober at the time (when they picked the perp up later he was drunk). What about the drunk Mexican who tried to kick my door in to undoubtedly rape and murder me and my kids (.357mag with laser site is a great deterrent) – do we need to go back to prohibition? Drunk people do crazy stupid shit – no doubt alcohol is involved in more crimes than all other drugs combined. Oh, and alcohol kils thousands of random innocent people on the roads – men, women, children, old people, infants, married people, motorists, pedestrians, bicyclists, moms pushing strollers, etc. Where are your tears, SSS? Where is the outrage?! OMFG, ethyl alcohol is the devil.
Speaking of devils, we all know the CIA is the ultimate illicit drug organization on the planet. Most wars are to get the CIA access to the drugs they bring to the USA… Vietnam = pot and heroin in the USA 1960-1970s… South American Guerilla bullshit = cocaine boom in the USA 1980s…. Mexicans in the 1990s-early 2000s = Meth. Afghanistan War = resurgence of Heroin. Please stop playing so stupid, SSS. Your buddies are the king pins of it all… Texas (GHWB – former director of the CIA, & sonny boy GWB) Arkansas (Clintons) and Florida (Jeb) are the main import hubs for CIA drug operations. Fucking criminals. Feds are full of the biggest chemical pushers on the planet. A bunch of lowlifes.
“Should an untested chemical cocktail be legal? No. My point is banning it does not prevent tragedies.”
—-Leobeer, in his best Socrates imitation
You are one dumb motherfucker. Murder is banned in every single nation on the planet.
And the result is ……… ? Get the fuck off this thread!!!!
SSS- Your argument is ridiculous to begin with. You are trying to say a synthetic drug made in a lab, to have the effect similar to pot, is actually the same thing as pot. Not true. They are not the same thing at all.
Calamity
SSS made the point -they bought it for less than the price of the semi-legalized.pot that is available.
Cheap matters to druggies since they invariably piss money away like it’s going out of style. Most druggies are flat ass broke SOB’s.
Go online and you can find baths salts for sale at dirt cheap prices($15.00 a package) unlike the legalized pot which can retail at $400 a ounce and is mainly targeted at white middle-class functional drug addicts
Big difference to a scumbag druggie with no job and a habit that won’t quit. Bath Salts are a viable alternative to them.
they bought it for less than the price of the semi-legalized.pot that is available.
Yeah it is cheaper, because it is a very small packet. It is also bought more frequently because it is legal and easily obtained. I would say ease of access makes it more popular than the price. Most synthetic smokers buy it because it is legal.
Trippy S, Murder is banned in every single nation on the planet and yet every single nation on the planet still has murders including the nations with no drug problems. Drugs don’t murder people, people do.
Has it even occurred to you that smoking pot may prevent some murders? How about someone that is angry, goes home smokes a joint and relaxes to forget how angry he is. Or maybe too stoned to go out and kill someone. We will never have the stats for that scenario, will we?
As for this thread, you have taken a real tragedy and given it a sarcastic title to push your anti-drug agenda. I’m done with it.
Calamity
My argument is not ridiculous. The illiterate consumers of Spice think they’re smoking a cheap version of Mary Jane. It’s that fucking simple. Did you read the FACTS of what led to their arrest? They’re stupid.
Can you get behind condemning these low-life, know-nothing, drug-addled cretins who killed two innocent 80-something helpless citizens? Of course you can’t. It conflicts with your idiotic, fucking “legalize drugs” stance. Good luck with that, dipstick.
Much like Leobeer, I have little else to say to you. You don’t know when to shut your fucking mouth, and you continue to prove it over and over.
1. Nobody who smokes synthetic weed believes it is actual weed.
2. Ever heard of people just being fucking crazy? No other reason then they were fucking lunatics who do horrible things?
3. I never said drugs should be legal. I said marijuana should be legal. I gave a specific drug.
Reefer Madness Propaganda? I think so.
SSS is spitting mad. He is ready to take on all the TBP monkeys simultaneously.
Damn youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXhSQd_zhnk
Z – I am always happy to point out idiots. It is a sacred duty. Many point themselves out, as seems to be happening on this thread.
I have not seen SSS so riled up in ages. He has a low tolerance for stupid, and right now there is just so much of it oozing out on this thread that he is coming down with hives. I have to agree with him that there are some really poorly thought out comments being made.