GRAPES OF WRATH – 2011

I wrote this article three years ago. It is still one of my favorites. Read it and decide whether John Steinbeck was a contemptible communist or a courageous man who confronted the government and the criminal bankers with truth. Is fighting for the little guy a noble or detestable trait? You decide.

“And the great owners, who must lose their land in an upheaval, the great owners with access to history, with eyes to read history and to know the great fact: when property accumulates in too few hands it is taken away. And that companion fact: when a majority of the people are hungry and cold they will take by force what they need. And the little screaming fact that sounds through all history: repression works only to strengthen and knit the repressed.” – John SteinbeckGrapes of Wrath

 

John Steinbeck wrote his masterpiece The Grapes of Wrath at the age of 37 in 1939, at the tail end of the Great Depression. Steinbeck won the Nobel Prize and Pulitzer Prize for literature. John Ford then made a classic film adaption in 1941, starring Henry Fonda. It is considered one of the top 25 films in American history. The book was also one of the most banned in US history. Steinbeck was ridiculed as a communist and anti-capitalist by showing support for the working poor. Some things never change, as the moneyed interests that control the media message have attempted to deflect the blame for our current Depression away from their fraudulent deeds.

The novel stands as a chronicle of the Great Depression and as a commentary on the economic and social system that gave rise to it. Steinbeck’s opus to the working poor reverberates across the decades. He wrote the novel in the midst of the last Fourth Turning Crisis. His themes of man’s inhumanity to man, the dignity and rage of the working class, and the selfishness and greed of the moneyed class ring true today.

Steinbeck became the champion of the working class. When he decided to write a novel about the plight of migrant farm workers, he took his task very seriously. To prepare, he lived with an Oklahoma farm family and made the journey with them to California. Seventy years later the plight of the working class is the same. If Steinbeck were alive today he would live with a Michigan auto manufacturing family making a journey to fantasyland of green energy, where automobiles ran on corn and sunshine.

The working class bore the brunt of the Great Depression in the 1930s and they are bearing the burden during our current Greater Depression. Steinbeck knew who the culprits were seventy years ago. We know who the culprits are today. They are one in the same. The moneyed banking interests caused the Great Depression and they created the disastrous collapse that has thus far destroyed 7 million middle class jobs. Steinbeck understood that the poor working class of this country had more dignity and compassion for their fellow man than any Wall Street banker out for enrichment at the expense of the working class.

Okies and the Land of Milk & Honey

“How can you frighten a man whose hunger is not only in his own cramped stomach but in the wretched bellies of his children? You can’t scare him–he has known a fear beyond every other.” – John Steinbeck – Grapes of Wrath

 

The America of 1930 was different in many aspects from the America of 2011. The population of the U.S. was 123 million, living in 26 million households, or 4.7 people per household. Today the population of the U.S. is 310 million, living in 118 million households, or 2.6 people per household. The living and working structure of the country was dramatically different in 1930.

The percentage of the population that lived in rural areas exceeded 40%, down from 60% in 1900, as the country rapidly industrialized. One quarter of the population still worked on farms. Today, less than 20% of Americans live in rural areas, while less than 2% live on farms. In 1935, there were 6.8 million farms in the U.S. Today there are 2.1 million farms. The family farm has been slowly but surely displaced by corporate mega-farms since the 1920s, with 46,000 farms now accounting for 50% of all farm production today.

The sad plight of the American working farmer did not begin with the Stock Market Crash of 1929. The seeds of destruction were planted prior to and during World War I. Automation through technology allowed for more cultivation of land. Agricultural prices rose due to strong worldwide demand, leading farmers to dramatically increase cultivation. With food commodity prices soaring, farmers fell into the classic trap that McMansion buyers fell into from 2000 through 2006. Farmers took on huge amounts of debt to acquire more land and farming equipment as local banks were willing to feed their illusions with loans. It was a can’t miss proposition. Jim Grant in his book Money of the Mind: Borrowing and Lending from the Civil War to Michael Milken described the end result:

Like bull markets in stocks, the bull market in farmland engendered the belief that prices would rise forever. “Speculators who had no interest whatever in farming bought land for the 6 percent or 8 percent annual rise that seemed a certainty throughout the early years of the century…” The rise in farm prices had only begun. The price of wheat was 62 cents a bushel in 1900. It was 99 cents in 1909, $1.43 in 1916, and $2.19 at the peak in 1919. To put $2.19 in perspective, it was not a price seen again until 1947.

The collapse of prices in the early 1920s would have been devastating enough, but the damage was compounded by debt. By the summer of 1921, crop prices were down by no less than 85 percent from the postwar peak. Nebraskans, finding that corn had become cheaper than coal, burned it. As it does in every market, the fall in prices revealed the weaknesses in the structure of credit that had financed the rise.

Between 1919 and 1921, the number of banks that failed totaled 724, with only one of the largest, National City Bank, being bailed out by Washington DC. The heartland, where more than 40% of the population lived, did not participate in the Roaring Twenties. Wall Street and the urbanized Northeast experienced the rapid wealth accumulation during the 1920s. The working poor of the farm belt struggled to subsist. Land under cultivation continued to rise even after the bust of the early 1920s, tripling between 1925 and 1930. The land was over farmed and not properly cared for, depriving the soil of organic nutrients and increasing exposure to erosion. Then Mother Nature took her pound of flesh, much like she is doing today across the globe.

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The Dust Bowl was a period of severe dust storms causing major ecological and agricultural damage to Midwest prairie lands from 1930 to 1936. The phenomenon was caused by severe drought coupled with decades of extensive farming without crop rotation, fallow fields, cover crops or other techniques to prevent erosion.Deep plowing of the virgin topsoil of the Great Plains had displaced the natural deep-rooted grasses that normally kept the soil in place and trapped moisture even during periods of drought and high winds. These immense dust storms—given names such as “Black Blizzards” and “Black Rollers”—often reduced visibility to a few feet. The Dust Bowl affected 100,000,000 acres, centered on the panhandles of Texas and Oklahoma.

Small farmers were hit especially hard. Even before the dust storms hit, the invention of the tractor drastically cut the need for manpower on farms. These small farmers were usually already in debt, borrowing money for seed and paying it back when their crops came in. When the dust storms damaged the crops, not only could the small farmer not feed himself and his family, he could not pay back his debt. Banks would then foreclose on the small farms and the farmer’s family would be both homeless and unemployed. Between 1930 and 1935, nearly 750,000 farms were lost through bankruptcy or sheriff sales.

Millions of acres of farmland became useless, and hundreds of thousands of people were forced to leave their lifelong homes. They set out on Route 66 toward the land of milk and honey – California. Hundreds of thousands of families traveled this lonely road during the 1930s.

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Many of these families, often known as “Okies”, since so many came from Oklahoma migrated to California and other states, where they found economic conditions little better during the Great Depression than those they had left. Owning no land, many became migrant workers who traveled from farm to farm to pick fruit and other crops at starvation wages. While the Great Depression affected all Americans, about 40% of the population was relatively unscathed. Not so for the “Okies”.

Californians tried to stop migrants from moving into their state by creating checkpoints on main highways called “bum blockades.” California even initiated an “anti-Okie” law which punished anyone bringing in “indigents” with jail time. While Steinbeck highlights the plight of migrant farm families in The Grapes of Wrath, in reality, less than half (43%) of the migrants were farmers. Most migrants came from east of the Dust Bowl and did not work on farms. By 1940, 2.5 million people had moved out of the Plains states; of those, 200,000 moved to California.

Man’s Inhumanity to Man

“It has always seemed strange to me… the things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling, are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest, are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second.”John Steinbeck

Steinbeck’s novel was a national phenomenon. The book won Steinbeck the admiration of the working class, due to the book’s sympathy to the common man and its accessible prose style. It also got him branded a communist by the large California land barons and the non-stop harassment by J. Edgar Hoover and the IRS for most of his life. The book was lauded, debated, banned and burned. A book can only generate that amount of heat by getting too close to a truth that those in power do not want revealed. The Grapes of Wrath did just that. Steinbeck meant to pin the blame where it belonged:

“I want to put a tag of shame on the greedy bastards who are responsible for this [the Great Depression and its effects].”

The bankers who took their farms and cast them aside like a piece of trash, the Wall Street speculators who got rich by peddling debt to the working class, and the wealthy land barons who treated the migrant farm workers like criminals, were to blame for the suffering of millions. The pyramid of wealth was as unequal in 1929 as it is today. The 1% of the population at the very top of the pyramid had incomes 650% greater than those 11% of Americans at the bottom of the pyramid. The tremendous concentration of wealth in the hands of a few meant that continued economic prosperity was dependent on the high investment and luxury spending of the wealthy.

By 1929, the richest 1% owned 40% of the nation’s wealth. The top 5% earned 33% of the income in the country. The bottom 93% experienced a 4% drop in real disposable income between 1923 and 1929. The middle class comprised only 20% of all Americans. Society was skewed heavily towards the haves. By 1929, more than half of all Americans were living below a minimum subsistence level. Those with means were taking advantage of low interest rates by using margin to invest in stocks.

The margin requirement was only 10%, so you could buy $10,000 worth of stock for $1,000 and borrow the rest. With artificially low interest rates and a booming economy, companies extrapolated the good times and invested in huge expansions. During the 1920s there were 1,200 mergers that swallowed up more than 6,000 companies. By 1929, only 200 mega-corporations controlled over half of all American industry. The few were enriched, while the many wallowed in poverty and despair.

When self proclaimed experts on the Great Depression, like Ben Bernanke, proclaim that the Federal Reserve contributed to the Depression by not expanding the monetary supply fast enough, they practice the art of the Big Lie.  The Great Depression was mainly caused by the expansion of the money supply by the Federal Reserve in the 1920’s that led to an unsustainable credit driven boom. Both Friedrich Hayek and Ludwig von Mises predicted an economic collapse in early 1929.  In the Austrian view it was this inflation of the money supply that led to an unsustainable boom in both asset prices (stocks and bonds) and capital goods. Ben Strong, the head of the Federal Reserve, attempted to help Britain by keeping interest rates low and the USD weak versus the Pound.

The artificially low interest rates led to over investment in textiles, farming and autos. In 1927 he lowered rates yet again leading to a speculative frenzy leading up to the Great Crash. The ruling elite of society were the Wall Street speculators. Only 1.5 million people out of an entire population of 127 million invested in the stock market. Margin loans increased from $3.5 billion in 1927 to $8.5 billion in 1929. Stock prices rose 40% between May 1928 and September 1929, while daily trading rose from 2 million shares to 5 million shares per day. By the time the Federal Reserve belatedly tightened in 1928, it was far too late to avoid a stock market crash and depression.

The Federal Reserve was created by bankers to benefit bankers. The Federal Reserve purchased $1.1 billion of government securities from February to July 1932, which raised its total holding to $1.8 billion. Total bank reserves only rose by $212 million, but this was because the American populace lost faith in the banking system and began hoarding more cash, a factor very much beyond the control of the Central Bank.

The potential for a run on the banks caused local bankers to be more conservative in lending out their reserves, and was the cause of the Federal Reserve’s inability to inflate. From its backroom middle of the night creation in 1913, the bank owned Federal Reserve has sought to benefit its owners, the large Wall Street banking interests and its politician protectors in Congress. The working class has always been nothing more than hosts used by the parasites to tax and peddle debt to.

Income and wealth inequality reached a new peak in 2007, the highest level of inequality since 1929. William Domhoff details this inequality in the following terms:

In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2007, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 34.6% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 50.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 85%, leaving only 15% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth (total net worth minus the value of one’s home), the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 42.7%.

Source: Domhoff

Real median household income in the U.S. is $49,777 today. It was $52,388 in 1999 before George Bush took office. This is a 5% decline over ten years. Even more disturbing is the fact that the top 20% of households showed real increases in income. The bottom 50% lost income during the last ten years, with the bottom 20% losing 8% of income over this time frame. No wonder there is so much anger among the working middle class in the country regarding the bailout for the top 1%.

Sixty million households make less today than they made 10 years ago. The policies of the Federal Reserve over the last ten years have benefitted speculators and punished seniors, savers and the working middle class. Every policy, program and regulation rolled out by the Federal Reserve in the last three years has been to prop up, enrich, and support their Too Big To Fail Wall Street owners. The middle class American working family is Too Small To Matter.

Steinbeck presciently realized that the suffering of the working class was not due to bad weather, bad luck, or the actions of the working class. It was caused by the rich ruling elite wielding their power and influence across the land in their effort to enrich themselves by any means necessary. Historical, social, and economic circumstances separate people into rich and poor, landowner and tenant, and the people in the dominant roles struggle viciously to preserve their positions.

During the Great Depression it was the brokers, bankers and businessmen who maintained a dominant role, while farmers, workers, and the common man were treated like dogs. Steinbeck used this symbolism by having the Joad’s family dog be run over by a rich person driving a fancy roadster early in the novel. Steinbeck saw the large California landowners as the epitome of the evil Haves. The landowners created a system in which the migrants were treated like animals, shuffled from one filthy roadside camp to the next, denied livable wages, and forced to turn against their brethren simply to survive.

Steinbeck’s world was black and white, good and evil, rich and poor. Today, the corporate mainstream media would brand him a anti-capitalist, socialist crackpot. Those in control want to keep the masses lost in shades of grey. In the 1930s it was clearer regarding who was to blame. The social safety net of New Deal programs from FDR had just begun. At the time, I’m sure they seemed like a good idea to ease the suffering of the poor. In reality, they did little to help, as the unemployment rate was still 18% in 1939, ten years after the Depression began.

These programs, along with hundreds implemented since the 1930s, have created a dependent underclass and have left America with unfunded liabilities in excess of $100 trillion. The rich use the 70,000 page IRS tax code to avoid taxes. They use their wealth to buy influence in Washington DC, rigging the game in their favor. The bottom 50% of the population pays no income taxes. The working middle class, with declining real incomes, foot the bill. They are bamboozled into believing they can live like the rich by a financial industry willing to lie, obfuscate and defraud them. Corporate superstar CEOs, fawned over by the corporate media, outsourced their good paying middle class jobs to foreign lands, boosting EPS, their stock price and their mega-million bonuses. This may not look like the 1930s, but it is worse for millions of American working middle class families.

The Dignity of Wrath

“…and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.”  – John Steinbeck – Grapes of Wrath

 

Steinbeck’s feelings about the people he was writing about can be summed up in this passage:

“If you’re in trouble, or hurt or need – go to the poor people. They’re the only ones that’ll help – the only ones.”

The Joads refuse to be broken by their circumstances. They maintain their dignity, honor and self respect, despite the trials and tribulations that befall them. Hunger, tragic death, and maltreatment by the authorities do not break their spirit. Their dignity in the face of tragedy stands in contrast to the vileness of the rich landowners and the cops that treated the migrant workers like criminals.

No matter how much misfortune and degradation are heaped upon the Joads, their sense of justice, family, and honor never waver. Steinbeck believed that as long as people maintained a sense of injustice—a sense of anger against those who sought to undercut their pride in themselves—they would never lose their dignity. Tom Joad is the symbol of all the mistreated working poor who refuse to be beaten down. The landowners and the police are the oppressors. Tom kills a policeman in a struggle for the dignity of the workers. Tom’s farewell to his Ma, captures the essence of the struggle:

“Wherever they’s a fight so hungry people can eat, I’ll be there. Wherever they’s a cop beatin’ up a guy, I’ll be there. If Casy knowed, why, I’ll be in the way guys yell when they’re mad an’—I’ll be in the way kids laugh when they’re hungry n’ they know supper’s ready. An’ when our folks eat the stuff they raise an’ live in the houses they build—why, I’ll be there.” – Tom Joad – Grapes of Wrath

Steinbeck’s wrath was directed towards the bankers who stole the farms, the California landowners that treated the workers like vermin, and the police who sided with the wealthy and carried out the brutality on the workers. Tom Joad’s anger and wrath toward those who meant to make them cower is portrayed powerfully in this passage:

“I know, Ma. I’m a-tryin’. But them deputies- Did you ever see a deputy that didn’t have a fat ass? An’ they waggle their ass an’ flop their gun aroun’. Ma”, he said, “if it was the law they was workin’ with, why we could take it. But it ain’t the law. They’re a-working away at our spirits. They’re a-tryin’ to make us cringe an’ crawl like a whipped bitch. They’re tryin’ to break us. Why, Jesus Christ, Ma, they comes a time when the on’y way a fella can keep his decency is by takin’ a sock at a cop. They’re working on our decency”.”

Today, Steinbeck’s wrath would be focused upon Wall Street Mega-Banks, Mega-Corporations and the politicians that allow them to pillage the wealth of the nation. Droughts, foreclosures and technology drove millions of farmers into the cities during the 1930s and it accelerated with the onset of World War II. America became manufacturer to the world, with manufacturing accounting for over 28% of GDP in the mid-1950s. The business of banking, insurance and real estate accounted for less than 11% of GDP.

Since the adoption of the credit card on a large scale in the late 1960’s, the role of bankers and debt in our society has grown relentlessly and recklessly. The point of no return occurred in the mid-1980’s when the financial sector passed the manufacturing sector in relative importance for our economy. Today, banker generated profits from peddling debt to the middle class, creating derivatives to defraud widows and pension funds, and running their institutions like leveraged casinos on steroids account for 21.5% of GDP. Manufacturing profits now account for a pitiful 11.2% of GDP, as the CEO titans of industry at General Electric, Hewlett Packard, Intel, and Apple shipped the manufacturing jobs to Asia in a noble effort to boost earnings per share and reward themselves with $30 million pay packages.

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Total U.S. debt as a percentage of GDP was remarkably stable at approximately 130% for three decades, while financial profits as a percentage of GDP consistently ranged just below 1%. The ascension of Alan Greenspan to the throne of the Federal Reserve unleashed a dust storm of debt and banking profits over the last 25 years. Total credit and financial industry profits each grew by more than 250%. Real wages of middle class workers are lower today than they were in 1971.

Since the higher paying manufacturing jobs were shipped overseas, Wall Street stepped into the breach by providing trillions of debt to the average American so they could buy stuff being produced in China by people who took their jobs. Wall Street and the corporate media convinced middle class Americans that their standard of living was increasing upon the waves of debt. The godfather, Greenspan, watched over and protected the big banks. When they screwed up in their efforts to pillage and plunder on a grand scale, the godfather would reduce interest rates and flood the system with liquidity. Heads they win, tails America loses.

Source: Barry Ritholtz

The powerful Wall Street banks were un-refrained, unregulated and unscrupulous in their unquenchable looting and ransacking of the wealth of the American public. The Federal Reserve provided the fuel and Congress lit the fuse with the repeal of Glass-Steagall, ultimately leading to the biggest financial explosion in world financial history in 2008. The financial crisis was created by the biggest Wall Street banks and the policies of the Federal Reserve. It is a tribute to their monetary power, complete capture of the mainstream media, and total ensnarement of the corrupt politicians in Washington DC, that somehow the Too Big To Fail banks are bigger than they were before the crisis.

The working middle class has footed the bill for the trillions that have been shoveled into the coffers of these criminal enterprises. As a reward, the savers receive .25% on their savings. These men have put 8.5 million people out of work in the last three years. Steinbeck understood that bankers who foreclosed on the homes of poor farmers and fed the speculation that led to the Great Crash were nothing more than extensions of an evil monster:

“No, you’re wrong there—quite wrong there. The bank is something else than men. It happens that every man in a bank hates what the bank does, and yet the bank does it. The bank is something more than men, I tell you. It’s the monster. Men made it, but they can’t control it.”

The bankers that control our economy today deserve the same scorn and wrath that Steinbeck heaped on bankers and California landowners in the 1930’s. Jesse, from Jesse’s Café Americain captures the wrath in this assessment of our current state of affairs:

“The Banks must be restrained, and the financial system reformed, with balance restored to the economy, before there can be any sustained recovery. All else is looting and folly, with apathy and complacent self-interest as their accomplices.”

Selfishness & Altruism

I ain’t never gonna be scared no more. I was, though. For a while it looked as though we was beat. Good and beat. Looked like we didn’t have nobody in the whole wide world but enemies. Like nobody was friendly no more. Made me feel kinda bad and scared too, like we was lost and nobody cared…. Rich fellas come up and they die, and their kids ain’t no good and they die out, but we keep on coming. We’re the people that live. They can’t wipe us out, they can’t lick us. We’ll go on forever, Pa, cos we’re the people. – Ma Joad – Grapes of Wrath

The power elite that believe they can control the masses as puppet master commands a puppet should beware. The wrath of the masses can be fierce and sudden. Ask Hosni Mubarak. As Steinbeck realized many decades ago, selfishness run amok, supported and encouraged by the authorities lead to poverty, despair and sometimes revolution. The false mantra of an economy based on self-interest and free markets is a smokescreen blown by the few with wealth and power to obscure the truth that they have used their wealth and power to rig the game in their favor. The have-nots can dream about becoming a have, but the chances of achieving that dream today are miniscule.

Steinbeck pointedly distinguishes between the selfishness of the moneyed class and the altruism of the working poor. In contrast to and in conflict with this policy of selfishness stands the migrants’ behavior toward one another. Aware that their livelihood and survival depend upon their devotion to the collective good, the migrants unite—sharing their dreams as well as their burdens—in order to survive.

Those in control need to keep the masses divided. They need Americans to be distracted by phantom terrorist threats, inconsequential political differences, American Idol, Charlie Sheen, Lindsey Lohan and Lady Gaga. They need Americans to be focused on “I”. Their greatest fear is that the American people realize that “We” can change the direction of this country and bring the perpetrators of crimes against the people of this country to justice. John Steinbeck saw the potential power of the common man if they became “We”:  

One man, one family driven from the land; this rusty car creaking along the highway to the west. I lost my land, a single tractor took my land. I am alone and bewildered. And in the night one family camps in a ditch and another family pulls in and the tents come out. The two men squat on their hams and the women and children listen. Here is the node, you who hate change and fear revolution. Keep these two squatting men apart; make them hate, fear, suspect each other. Here is the anlarge of the thing you fear. This is the zygote. For here “I lost my land” is changed; a cell is split and from its splitting grows the thing you hate–“We lost our land.” The danger is here, for two men are not as lonely and perplexed as one. And from this first “we” there grows a still more dangerous thing: “I have a little food” plus “I have none.” If from this problem the sum is “We have a little food,” the thing is on its way, the movement has direction. Only a little multiplication now, and this land, this tractor are ours. The two men squatting in a ditch, the little fire, the side-meat stewing in a single pot, the silent, stone-eyed women; behind, the children listening with their souls to words their minds do not understand. The night draws down. The baby has a cold. Here, take this blanket. It’s wool. It was my mother’s blanket–take it for the baby. This is the thing to bomb. This is the beginning–from “I” to “we.” – John Steinbeck – Grapes of Wrath

 The American people have a choice. They can continue on a course of apathy, selfishness and worship of mammon, or they can rally together with selflessness and concern for the welfare of their fellow man and future unborn generations. The current path, forged by a minority of privileged wealthy elite, will lead to the destruction of this country and misery on an unprecedented scale.

It is up to each of us to show the courage of John Steinbeck, who without a thought for himself, stood up against the stones of condemnation, and spoke for those who were given no real voice in the halls of justice, or the halls of government. By doing so he became an enemy of the political status quo. Are you prepared to incur the wrath of the vested interests and meet their lies and propaganda with the fury of your own wrath in search for the truth? These men are sure you don’t have the courage, fortitude and wrath to defeat them.

 

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord:
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
His truth is marching on.

– Battle Hymn of the Republic


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skipper
skipper
February 14, 2011 3:59 pm

Just read this on the silverbearcafe it made me think,this has got to be jim but it starts to look like RE.Had to click over to check(you boys need to stop hanging out your starting to sound like)

Smokey
Smokey
February 14, 2011 4:05 pm

Netanyahu,

That you Daniel ?

SSS
SSS
February 14, 2011 4:12 pm

@ Admin

I noted that Tyler Durden posted this article on Zero Hedge. I was skimming through the comments and saw this one from alien-IQ:

“The list of authors that were assholes reads like a who’s who in the literary world…But the writing is still often brilliant. It is the confrontational and controversial personality that often produces the most challenging, provocative and important works.”

At first I thought the comments were referring to YOU (snicker), but upon closer inspection, they were directed at Ayn Rand.

Also noted that David Pierre checked in with his usual 9/11 Truther bullshit and was bad-mouthing you to beat the band.

Smokey
Smokey
February 14, 2011 4:43 pm

I’m surprised ZH hasn’t banned DP.

All he ever does is bitch about 9/11.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
February 14, 2011 4:45 pm

“It is our other fake poster. SNJ.”

Kiss my ass you rat fink bastard. What do they do with snithches in the 30 blocks of squalor? I know people, so watch out.

Nevertheless, I swear upon the Holy of Holies that it was not I.

IP addresses eat shit.

Smokey
Smokey
February 14, 2011 5:07 pm

Stuck,

That’s what I REALLY miss about TBP #1.

I used to torch the shit out of MANY people, friend and foe alike, including you AND the Administrator, under an anonymous entry. Can’t do it here, because JQ knows right away.

Three of my funnest things in the world used to be:

(1) get laid

(2) take a big shit

(3) torch unsuspecting victims anonymously

That anon feature is all but gone now on this site. Oh, it’s still fun, but not as much.

SSS and JQ got in a minor skirmish a couple of weeks ago, with neither holding an edge. I jumped in and declared it an embarrassing rout by SSS and JQ was fit to be tied.

His first response to my intervention on that post, “Smokey, you shit stirring prick.”

I laughed until tears came.

So, yeah, it’s still fun, but posting anon is MUCH more fun, especially if you’re burning an unsuspecting friend.

llpoh
llpoh
February 14, 2011 5:24 pm

Stuck – I in no way said vote him off the island. I said that the whole point of the exercise was to stroke his ego, and that it would only serve to further increase his influence on the site. I also said that any request to limit his posts to readable lengths would be laughed at. I was 100% correct.

I have been absent for a couple of days, but have no intention of writing a vote me off the island article. A bigger pile of shit there has never been on this site, and all the turds that encouraged him are to be congratulated. Simply take a look up the posts, where he adds 1500 words, and further tries to imply that there are similarities to the messages that the Admin and he present: “Folks who enjoyed this post might also enjoy a post I wrote a while back, “A Tale of Two Depressions”. ” Unfuckingbelievable.

Admin – with all due respect, and fully acknowledging that this is your site to do with as you please, the issue in recent days was not the absence of Smokey, the issue was the dominance of RE. I truly do not understand why he is allowed to influence this site to the degree that he does, and I believe it is at the detriment to the site and to the message that you are trying to get out. He has no interest in educating anyone, despite his protestations, or he would make his posts and articles more reader friendly. He uses this site for his own gratification, and for no other reason. He is now taking every opportunity to undermine you, in my opinion. At the moment, I do not know what the mission of this site is. RE’s crap is outside even anarchy and Communism, and it is a substantial piece of what is put up here. He is against virtually everything that most members believe in, and there is no reasonable debate with him – how do you debate eradication of populations, no property rights, and return to a pre-industrial state? His hypocrisy knows no bounds. I am not asking for explanation, but I truly do not understand why he is allowed such influence. As before, it is yours to do with as you will, but I personally think the site has taken a bad turn in recent days.

Smokey – I am glad you are back. I truly am disgusted by what I have seen the past few days, and the efforts of RE to undermine this site are astonishing. I used to enjoy being a part of this site, but the last few days have been anything but enjoyable.

Smokey
Smokey
February 14, 2011 5:27 pm

Yeah, I burned his ass an hour or so ago on ZH.

That fucker will be 90 yrs old and still posting Truther shit on ZH and still trying to post it here.

Smokey
Smokey
February 14, 2011 5:47 pm

LLPOH,

I returned today. Had no idea.

When I left Thursday, RE was still MIA. I do find it particularly disgraceful the way Stuck has had his tongue buried up RE’s ass lately, for fear of RE leaving the site.

True, RE eats shit like nobody else. You honestly have to wonder what the people who read his posts are thinking.

Here’s the dirty little secret. Nobody reads his shit. Or damn few read it. Let me rephrase. Nobody with any fucking brains reads it. Which of course means Stuck swallows it whole.

Your characterization is most apt, when you mention that RE is beyond communism and anarchy.

Name me ONE person who reads all of RE’S articles and I’ll name you a damn fool.

Shit, name me a single person who has genuinely read more than two ENTIRE articles written by RE and I’ll show you a fucking idiot.

As far as detracting from the site, as long as the membership growth maintains it’s current rate, then the fallout from RE may be minimal. If membership slows, my guess is that some of the articles being posted may get looked at a little harder. Just my opinion.

llpoh
llpoh
February 14, 2011 5:53 pm

smokey – is it about membership, or is it about message?

Voir Dire
Voir Dire
February 14, 2011 5:55 pm

Sir:

I applaud you. You and Mike Stathis have become two of my favorite writers from “Market Oracle’s” website. I think many of your pieces are brilliant, and I often incorporate excerpts (as follows) in my own writing towards my own efforts in reaching other intelligent people and helping them to comprehend the oceans of destruction and theft that has occurred and the unspeakable wickedness that has befallen this picked-over-carcass of a once mighty nation. Keep up your invaluable work (and yes….write THAT book – record your ideas whilst you drive); trust me when I say far more people read blogs than actually comment upon them.

We just need a critical mass of informed, outraged citizens. Remember: These vampires and nation-wreckers are so few and we are so many. This they know and shudder!

An outstanding excerpt from one of the contemporary books that helps chronicle these unfathomable crimes (which unfortunately too few Americans’ read anything of importance any more if at ALL)

The Monster: How a Gang of Predatory Lenders and Wall Street Bankers Fleeced America–and Spawned a Global Crisis

http://www.bookdaily.com/book/2405377/the-monster-how-a-gang-of-predatory-lenders-and-wall-street-bankers-fleeced-america-and-spawned-a-global-crisis

“It is rare to get documented proof of the banksters’ deviousness in causing recessions in order to enrich themselves at the expense of the people. But we do have a private memo from the American Bankers Association in 1891, the contents of which are actually recorded in the Congressional Record of April 29, 1913. Keep in mind that this memo was written in 1891, undeniable proof that the Panic of 1893 was planned by the banksters a couple of years in advance:”

‘We are authorizing our loan officers from the Western States to loan on properties, monies repayable by September 1st, 1894. No fatal date is to exceed this date.

On September 1st, 1894, we shall categorically refuse all loan renewals. On that day, we shall demand the repayment of our money, under penalty of foreclosure on collaterals.

The mortgaged properties will become ours. (Money will have become scarce beforehand, and the repayments will have become generally impossible.) We’ll thus be able to acquire, at a price agreeable to us, two-thirds of the farms west of the Mississippi and thousands more east of this great river.

We’ll even be able to possess three quarters of the western farms as well as all the money in the country. The farmers will then become land tenants only, just like in England.”

(Source – http://www.michaeljournal.org/bankphilo.htm For the entire exemplary piece from above, see Academic Economists are the Unholy Priests of the Bankster’s http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article23998.html)

How MANY will be made to die in this PLANNED FAILURE/GREAT DEPRESSION NO. 2? (See Dr Ben “Kevorkian” Bernanke Helping U.S. Economy Commit Suicide @ http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article23969.html)

A scholar and investigator from Russia used available census data from that first economic collapse and concluded that the Great Depression senselessly caused the unnecessary deaths of 7 million Americans. Included are these damning, fascinating, heart-wrenching excerpts:

“Famine killed 7 million people in USA““ The material presented in the article apparently made the Jewish-owned Wikipedia’s moderators delete the piece from the database of the online encyclopedia.

”The researcher, Boris Borisov, in his article titled ‘The American Famine’ estimated the victims of the financial crisis in the US at over seven million people. The researcher also directly compared the US events of 1932-1933 with Holodomor, or Famine, in the USSR during 1932-1933.”And:“Analyzing the period of the Great Depression in the USA, the author notes a remarkable similarity with events taking place in the USSR during the 1930s. “He even introduced a new term for the USA – defarming – an analogue to dispossession of wealthy farmers in the Soviet Union. ‘Few people know about five million American farmers (about a million families) whom banks ousted from them lands because of debts. The US government did not provide them with land, work, social aid, pension – nothing,’ the article says.”

And:

“Every sixth American farmer was affected by famine. People were forced to leave their homes and go to nowhere without any money and any property. They found themselves in the middle of nowhere enveloped in massive unemployment, famine and gangsterism.”

Later (page 2 of 3)

“At the same time, the US government tried to get rid of redundant foodstuffs, which vendors could not sell. Market rules were observed strictly: unsold goods should always be categorized as redundant and they could not be given away to the poor because it could cause damage to businesses. A variety of methods was used to destroy redundant food. They burnt crops, drowned them in the ocean or plowed 10 million hectares of harvesting fields. “About 6.5 million pigs were killed at that time,” the researcher wrote.

So-called public works introduced by President Roosevelt became a salvation for a huge number of jobless and landless Americans. However, the salvation was only a phantom, Boris Borisov wrote. The works conducted under the aegis of the Public Works Administration and the Civil Works Administration were about building channels, roads or bridges in remote, wild and dangerous territories. Up to 3.3 million people were involved in those works at a time, whereas the total number of people amounted to 8.5 million, not to count prisoners.”

“Conditions and death rate at those works are to be studied separately. A member of public works would make $30, and pay $25 of taxes from this amount. So a person could make only $5 for a month of hard work in malarial swamps.”

“The conditions, under which people were working for food, could be compared to Stalin’s GULAG camp.”

“The Public Works Administration (PWA) bore a striking resemblance to GULAG. The PWA was chaired by “American Beria,” the Secretary of Interior Affairs, Harold Ickes, who threw about two million people into camps for the unemployed youth,” Borisov wrote. “Harold LeClair Ickes (1874–1952) later interned USA’s ethnic Japanese in concentration camps. The first stage of the operation took only 72 hours (1941-1942).”

Must Reading for appreciating the evil these insatiably, greedy bastards are capable of: http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/105255-famine-0

So do we go down in another act of collective American cowardice or do we finally get our grossly overdue Day of Reckoning for the global Criminal Banking Cabal orchestrating yet another collapse and genocide since we now again have the rare admission entered into the written record by contemporary Gangster Ben Shalom Bernanke?:

Bernanke: Federal Reserve caused Great Depression
Fed chief says, ‘We did it. … very sorry, won’t do it again’WND
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=59405

Well, guess what? They are pathological liars and historical mass murderers, and they ARE doing it again.

ct-hilltopper
ct-hilltopper
February 14, 2011 6:12 pm

This is the best article you’ve ever written, bar none.

I’ve grown to believe that there is some subliminal messaging coming from the television signals that make most of America apathetic and not involved with things that are going on around them, such as this economic crisis. I mean, they really can’t be this fucking stupid. There has to be some other reason. The more television you watch, the more you’re effected by the subliminal waves.

Once again, kudos for the great article.

Smokey
Smokey
February 14, 2011 6:15 pm

LLPOH,

That RE’s posts are shit is not really up for debate. That’s a given. The question is the amount of damage they do to the site. I look at membership growth as a proxy for the damage.

Sure, the message is corrupted, to the extent that RE is allowed to post. But if the site continues to grow, I believe that his shit will be a temporary glitch, at most.

Most people are not going to experience the same problems you and I experience on RE’s posts. Because most people don’t spend as much time on this site as we do. Or they ignore his shit.

Of course, when he is trying to be a big shot and dominate, it makes it tough to ignore his shit.

RE’s shit will handle itself at some point. The Administrator will get fed up with it, or I’ll run his ass off, or he’ll machine gun a fucking McDonald’s or do a two and a half gainer off the Golden Gate Bridge.

But his shit will work itself out eventually.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
February 14, 2011 7:05 pm

You two guys have REDS — Reverse Engineer Derangement Syndrome

Smokey, if I have my tongue up his ass, then you live IN his ass. Pre-occupied much, are we??

I disagree with many of RE’s views. Sometimes I want to go to Alaska and choke him the way you choke your monkey. So, chill the fuck out.

People may or may not read RE’s posts. How the hell do you or I know for sure? But, one thing is for sure, his posts generate a lot of comments and activity. And THAT’S good for this web site,

llpoh
llpoh
February 14, 2011 7:11 pm

Stuck – Respectful, you are full of shit. RE’s views are in no way good for the site. He is a self-serving ass that is doing his level best to crap all over this site – and in this, he is very good. I note that the weekend was dead as a dodo, except for RE and his bullshit. You really are not thinking this through. If I want to read shit like his in a never ending stream, I would subscribe to Anarchist Today. Any random viewer who wandered through on the weekend would have to wonder what the fuck was going on. When he finally does post his real views in a succinct manner – like no property rights, death to the 20% wealthiest, total annihilation of the human race, etc., what do you think newbies think? For that matter, what do you think? The guy is jerking off all over this site, and you, and others, are promoting it. In my humble opinion.

llpoh
llpoh
February 14, 2011 7:16 pm

Stuck – and what do you think of his Mayan end of the world bullshit? Galactic cataclysm or some horseshit. Does that make this site better, or does it push it toward whack jobs, 9/11 truthers and other the generally insane? Jesus fucking Christ, the guy is insane personified.

Smokey
Smokey
February 14, 2011 7:18 pm

His posts don’t generate SHIT, except for deluded fools like you who fall for it. He makes shit up and then lays it out there by the fucking tractor trailer load and thinks he is some kind of fucking philosopher or seer.

I don’t choke my monkey. I spank it.

I choke my chicken. Get it right.

RE’s posts are a fucking abomination. You take out the reader comments that motherfuck his posts, then divide the remaining comments by the number of posts, and you’ll be about 3 places to the right of the decimal point.

llpoh
llpoh
February 14, 2011 7:27 pm

Smokey – if you haven’t looked at it, have a look at RE’s should I stay or go/vote me on or off the island article and comments. It is gut wrenching stuff in my book.

Mike
Mike
February 14, 2011 7:54 pm

Jim – I’m glad you did this. If everyone would just follow the money to see where it ends up, some real change might actually happen. I’m not for communism, just plain old fairness. Concentrating most of the wealth at the top leads to ruin.

llpoh
llpoh
February 14, 2011 7:59 pm

hmmph – stick your Antisemitism up your ass.

Fud
Fud
February 14, 2011 8:08 pm

Are you the smokey mountain man from the MER board before they fucked it up? If so long time no see.

Smokey
Smokey
February 14, 2011 8:22 pm

Although I believe that RE’s departure from this site would be a HUGE plus, the following comment from the vote-me-on-or-off-the-island article may be my favorite all time TBP comment.

Submitted by JIMSKI

“The idea that you “write for TBP ” is a joke right? You have shown over and over that you write for one person, yourself.”
“I vote to keep you on the island so we can watch the further disintegration of your mind and have ringside seats to what will no doubt wind up in the MSM. I want to be able to tell my friends I saw this happening and it is too bad he killed (insert number here ).”

I busted a nut on that, which I first read a few minutes ago.

That one is a Classic for the ages.

A fucking Classic for the ages.

Joe Blow
Joe Blow
February 14, 2011 8:41 pm

WAKE UP YOU 3% WHO OWN 98% OF THIS COUNTRY’S WEALTH! THIS MEANS YOU! FORGET WHAT THE SEAN HANNITIES, RUSH LIMBOS, LEVITHANS, BLEAK BECKS, THESE GUYS SERVE ONLY THESE ELITES. THEY ARE MOUTH PIECES FOR THESE WEALTHY BASTARDS. THEY ARE PLANTED BY THE WEALTHY TO REDIRECT AND CONFUSE THE MASSES WHILE THEY CONTINUE ON THEIR SHAMELESS PATH TO UNDESERVED WEALTH. IF YOU’VE EVER HEARD THEM, THEY ALL SAY THE SAME THINGS, NAMELY TO PROTECT THE WEALTHY AND BLAME OBAMA AND THE UNIONS(THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE, WHO BUILT THIS COUNTRY).

Smokey
Smokey
February 14, 2011 8:46 pm

Joe Blow,

There is a key on your computer keyboard about halfway down on the left.

It says: CAPS
LOCK

If you use that key, you can post articles that have lower case letters in the words.

Hate to break it to you, but the unions are a bunch of cocksucking bought whores who are leaches on society.

Unions eat shit.

llpoh
llpoh
February 14, 2011 8:57 pm

Joe Blow – I take it upon myself, as it gives me great pleasure, to welcome newbies such as yourself to TBP. It is important work, and take it seriously.

So, in welcome, let me say this in all sincerity – you are one truly ignorant douche. I can only hope that any further posts you may make are an improvement over this one. That shouldn’t be hard. Unfortunately, I do not have high hopes, given that you seem to have the IQ of a gnat.

Snake
Snake
February 14, 2011 10:00 pm

Jim,

Bravo bravo. Just when I think I’m out, you pull me back in. Truly great piece. I’ve been singing and whistling that song all day. What have we done with what those brave men gave us?

Snake
Snake
February 14, 2011 10:01 pm

Oh yeah, and Smokey smokes my pole.

llpoh
llpoh
February 14, 2011 10:23 pm

hmmph – what the fuck’s wrong with you? Crawl back under your rock, and quit posting shit to make your antisemitic bullshit points. Fucking asswipe.

llpoh
llpoh
February 14, 2011 10:35 pm

hmmph – fucking Jew hating piece of shit.

llpoh
llpoh
February 14, 2011 10:55 pm

It is a fake llpoh above, but he may be right re hmmph, given he is such a douchebag.

llpoh
llpoh
February 14, 2011 10:56 pm

Fake llpoh – yep, that too.

Donald Wagner
Donald Wagner
February 14, 2011 11:19 pm

Dear I T coordinator at T-B-Platform.com : Try as I might, I cannot find a way to send a copy of this excellent essay “The Grapes of Wrath 2011” to my personal E-Mail ([email protected]).
I would very much like to print this out when my printer is eventually fixed. Would you please be so kind as to send me a copy of this? This one is a ‘keeper’, truly exceptional. Thank you very much. (Donald)

SSS
SSS
February 14, 2011 11:43 pm

llpoh, Smokey, and Stucky

When it comes to RE, you guys personify Libertarians……….like herding cats. Note that Quinn hasn’t weighed in on your back and forth. He remains silent.

All three of you have made excellent arguments for or against RE. I myself particularly identify with some of llpoh’s comments, but that is unimportant.

What is important, even critical, is RE’s ability to express himself without censorship. RE admits to being kicked off several websites for his radical views. But not this one. Hell, he even has “contributor” status.

That’s a badge of HONOR for TBP and a feather in Quinn’s cap. Let’s go with that.

llpoh
llpoh
February 14, 2011 11:53 pm

SSS – as I have said, I did not argue or stump in any way for his banishment. I am simply disturbed by the degree he commandeers the site. There is a message to be gotten out, and it sure as hell isn’t RE’s that is important. That he tries to purport that he and the Admin are birds of a feather, as he did above, is truly disgusting. And 10,000 words a day is further out of line. He can say what he needs in far fewer words without feeling he is being censored. Common decency would seem to demand it.

I am still disturbed by it all, and feel it is not a positive.

Thanks for the input.

Smokey
Smokey
February 15, 2011 2:27 am

SSS,

I am inclined to agree with llpoh. Since when does RE’s “ability to express himself without censorship ” include corrupting the content of the blog through mind-numbingly long posts force fed to a captive audience ?

People come to this blog to read Quinn’s articles, not RE articles. For some unfathomable reason, RE is under the impression that he can write.

How many of RE’s articles would be posted by Zero Hedge or Financial Sense? Would you consider them censors because they refused to contaminate their forum with utter shit that isn’t worthy of the partition stalls of public men’s rooms, much less The Burning Platform ?

Probably 90% of the members here have asked RE to shorten his posts. He does not give a flying shit what they want. This is all about self-gratification to RE, and massaging his sick mind.

Posting without censorship implies REASONABLE posting. What if RE sends Quinn two articles per day ? What if RE sends him five a day ? Ten ? Fifty ?

What if RE decides his articles are too short and lengthens them on average by 11,000 words?

Does your “no censorship ” dictum remain intact?

Where does Quinn draw the line ?

I disagree that what’s important is RE’s ability to express himself without censorship. What if a dozen crackheads from Harlem decided they wanted to be regular writers on TBP ?

Does Quinn give them space too, so as to avoid “censoring ” them ?

I mean, fair is fair, and their posts would be at least as good as RE’s, and probably far more informative and entertaining.

You may want to rethink your shit, SSS.

Novista
Novista
February 15, 2011 6:39 am

libertarian-lite, why don’t you and your buddy get a room?

I missed the “fun with families” flamefest whilst otherwise occupied with extreme weather porn. I got the gist of the issue and thought back to a time when there were no ‘lines drawn in the sand’ — one better than cliche from the throat yogurt king, vandalising my mother, wife, daughter , and maybe my little dog, I forget. Where was the high moral ground then?

As for myself, I laughed, and thought, Golly, he’s channeling Stephen King. You know, the best-selling bad writer who admitted that when he got himself in a corner and could think of nothing better to do, there was always ‘gross them out’.

While away ‘in the 19th century’ — no power, water, ice, telephone nor mobile connection to the outside world, I had occasion to think on your ‘animal work’ term but I will leave that for another time.

Sure is nice to enjoy a cold beer again.

GGG
GGG
February 15, 2011 8:50 am

Excellent analysis and comparison. Thanks for the contribution.

My solution is we have to learn to be debt-free and soveriegn. Only the individuals can do it. The powers that be want us enslaved with debt, high taxes, and high priced commodities.

Smokey
Smokey
February 15, 2011 8:56 am

Novista,

Only a goddamn deluded fool like you could read my post and infer a fucking thing related to ” moral high ground “. My comments did not address nor even hint at morality.

Have I ever complained about morality on this blog, ASSHOLE? You should know, the way you stalk my comments. My comments regarding RE have ALWAYS related to the length of his posts and the irrational nature of those posts.

Sorry, can’t get a room with my buddy because I have a date with your whore wife. Regarding cliches, I’ll be banging that bitch like a screen door in a hurricane, right after she gulps a pint of my Single Celled Soldiers.

Rechelle
Rechelle
February 15, 2011 9:03 am

From the southern tip of the ‘Dark Continent’ (yes, we can also read !! … and write)

What strikes us here in southern Africa in 2011 is the glaring similarities between the US of the 1930s and the current Africa (esp southern).

REVERSE ENGINEER wrote: “The very same social and economic forces are in play with very much the same results, just this time it is on a GLOBAL scale. ”

We cannot see ANY signs of the ‘voluntary abandonment’ of the iniquitous instruments and expectations thrust upon us by Finance-Media Complex.

“There is no means of avoiding a final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.” – Ludwig Von Mises

To the contrary – there is concerted and significant effort to ‘drag’ millions of our poor into a ‘virtual’ middle class by way of social grants. These grants (approx $30 per month) are then ‘interpreted’ as formal income against which credit can be extended !! … and there, together with a belief in ‘the better life’ projected by the media, you have them trapped as the cycle of debt begins.

It would be interesting to read comments by readers familiar with the views of Thomas Hobbes in his Leviathan re. Social Contract and strong central government. How do we read and interpret Steinbeck against the backdrop of ideas presented by Hobbes ?

How do we avoid ‘bellum omnium contra omnes’ (the war of all against all) ?? (Hobbes)

Smokey
Smokey
February 15, 2011 9:51 am

If it is one post per day, I think that is fine. Especially if he continues with his “RE’s Daily Rant ” title, so that his articles aren’t confused (by newbies ) with other authors.

rwe2late
rwe2late
February 15, 2011 9:58 am

Grapes of Wrath 2011 is a great article, spot on.

– despite having a small but significant blind spot.

What is generally claimed by the MSM as “unsustainable” for the economy is not exactly as it is often portrayed.
What is seldom asked is whether “entitlements” (benefits for the not-so-rich) would be “sustainable” if there were no trillion dollar bankster handouts, subsidies for global corporations, and tax breaks for the wealthy? How much of the expense of medical care is due to protecting the profits of the pharmaceutical and health insurance industries?
Nor is it often asked how global militarism affects what is ultimately “sustainable” economically, both in terms of immediate spending, and the deformation of the economy away from productive investments to unproductive war making.

It is also frequently claimed that the allegedly unearned “entitlements” make the lower classes lazy and “dependent”. Here, I probably don’t need to go into why that unearned argument doesn’t carry much weight against elderly pensioners.
But what about the others? What is the author implying when, immediately after decrying tax evasion by the wealthy, he writes “The bottom 50% of the population pays no income taxes“. Have we taken into account how many of the bottom 50% have no income to pay income tax on? Have we taken into account how lack of jobs, lack of good schools, and the counterproductive war on drugs have broken up families, imprisoned a large part of the population, and led to many drop-out single parent families constrained further by lack of affordable child care?
In short, is being unemployed, or even unemployable, so clear a mark of being lazy and dependent?

Some will doubtless say all that is irrelevant to the numbers, to the poor not paying their way. But is that true? Are income taxes the ONLY taxes? What about the other payroll taxes, SS and Medicare? Those are very regressive taxes. What about other local taxes, which are also known to be regressive?
In short, for the financial wealth they possess, for the income above subsistence they command, are the poor evading their fair share of taxes for the societal “benefits” they receive?

Robmu1
Robmu1
February 15, 2011 10:04 am

Smokey,

“What if a dozen crackheads from Harlem decided they wanted to be regular writers on TBP ?”

If we can cut this down to 1 or 2 crackheads, I think that this would be a value-added exercise for TBP regulars. Maybe add a contribution from a pimp, a john, a coke-dealer and a few thugs. Let us see what is in the heads of these Obama supporters.

Smokey
Smokey
February 15, 2011 10:10 am

Robmu1,

I like the idea. Real life testimony from Obama’s minions. The horse’s mouth, as it were.

Robmu1
Robmu1
February 15, 2011 10:16 am

We missed an opportunity to organize these Obama supporters in November when the DNC’s bus gathered them all for the trip to the polls. How are we going to do this now?

llpoh
llpoh
February 15, 2011 3:19 pm

Admin – your decision to make. I have made my points, and feel it is a mistake, and you feel differently. So be it.

I appreciate and thank you for your efforts.

von Moff
von Moff
February 15, 2011 5:26 pm

Great article; very well done.

The Middle Class is getting sqeezed to the max and most people don’t know what to do.

December 21, 2012 will help lift us to the next level spiritually.

von Moff

Riikka Söyring
Riikka Söyring
February 15, 2011 6:15 pm

Greetings from Finland, and my sincere compliments for your article.

It is not only the US but also Europe. We´re in the deep, and heading towards a Soviet-style EU.
This is done by using the current economic crises as a tool and as an excuse.

The problem is, as you note in the article, that the real economy and finance-economy have become separate ie. the real economy pays the follies of financial world but nothing trickles back in the real economy.
Now governments in Europe are preparing to cut spending but this will not bring economic growth, it does just the opposite > more property goes to banks > more money is needed for social-stuff and food stamps > rising deficit > more cuts

It is a downward spiral and on every turn someone drops from the train.

Time for a revolution, I should say 😉

Riikka Söyring, Finland

Smokey
Smokey
February 15, 2011 6:34 pm

Riikka Soyring, Finland,

Thanks for stopping by and commenting. Your assessment of the economic situation is very accurate. I think that revolution may show up in the next couple of years or so, here or in Europe, or both places.

Please stop by here and comment again when you get a chance to.

llpoh
llpoh
February 15, 2011 6:39 pm

Smokey – as soon as I saw you had posted on this thread, I zoomed straight over to see if you had given von Moff an appropriate greeting, as I couldn’t be bothered. I figured his “December 21, 2012 will help lift us to the next level spiritually” would have set you off big-time. I am so disappointed.