Why I Feel Completely Safe

Short and personal comment. From experience.

With all the turmoil going on in majority black cities and towns in America, I feel safe. I live in Tucson, Arizona, which is 60 miles from the Mexican border. Tucson is 47% white, 42% Latino (the vast majority Mexican-American), 5% black, 3% Native American, and 3% other.

42% Latino. That’s huge. Are they a threat during civil unrest? No, and here’s why in one word. Family.

Latinos cherish family. I have lived with them here and in Panama, El Salvador, and Colombia. They embrace their unique culture: their language, their enjoyment of life (boy, those folks can party), their work ethic (they are NOT lazy; that’s a stereotype and total garbage), their music, their art, their literature, their Roman Catholic religion, their food, you name it.

But Numero Uno is family. And if you go into the lower middle class and poorer Latino neighborhoods of Tucson, and some of them are quite dumpy, what do you see? Mom and pop shops all over. Family-owned stuff from restaurants to grocery stores to plumbing companies to, well, you name it. Those businesses, however modest, are THEIR businesses. Are they going to riot and burn those businesses down? Hell, no. That would be an attack on family, friends, and neighbors. Not gonna happen.

So, if you do the math, 95% of Tucson is not a problem, including the Indians, who don’t riot, but rather go on the warpath (I threw that in just to needle Llpoh). That’s my safety net.


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Westcoaster
Westcoaster
April 30, 2015 9:44 pm

Good & valid points SSS. I’ve known lots of latinos over the year and most are as you describe. Family is #1.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
April 30, 2015 9:48 pm

The drug lords and gangs don’t strike me as particularly family oriented.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
April 30, 2015 10:15 pm

It is a feeling that hasn’t disappeared in years, the suspicion that browns won’t be accepted into the main culture easily; we’re too new, too many and too dark.
The main issue is because of jealous blacks and race-conscious whites. (My buddy from NH said it’s a fact that white is superior to brown and black.) The love-hate relationship of blacks and whites totally excludes us arrivistes.
It’s a shame that youths have adopted the black lifestyle that older hispanics rejected. A lot of undocumented youths got deported for gangbanging. My buddy said he came here in the 80’s Salvadoran invasion. He said it was a shame that those kids would be here at a huge cost to their parents, only to be deported as fully developed criminals.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
April 30, 2015 10:49 pm

SSS says:

Zarathustra says:

“The drug lords and gangs don’t strike me as particularly family oriented.”

You can always count on Zara to stop by and take a dump on a thread. Are we going to judge Latino culture by Pablo Escobar, any more than we’re to judge German culture by Adolph Hitler, or Persian culture by Ayotollah Khomeini? Get a grip.

I stand by my assessment. 100%.
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Question: What do Libya, Syria, Iraq and Mexico have in common?

Answer: Countries you do not want to drive from one end to the other through.

I win.

TE
TE
May 1, 2015 12:05 am

SSS, yep you are safe, or feeling that way.

So was the 84 year old woman, whom couldn’t get out of bed, but didn’t stop the cops from entering her bedroom and repeatedly tasering her (which, btw, people die from all the time) because she was frightened and wouldn’t let go of her butter knife.

The Vietnam Vet who had his “help me I’ve fallen” alarm go off accidentally, wasn’t afraid of cops either. He refused them entry, so they tazered him to death in a NY borough. In his own home, btw.

The business owner, grandpa and homeowner that had lived for over 40 years in the same home in Georgia wasn’t afraid either. But after a thief robbed his home, stole his truck and was caught, said thief traded evidence with the cops and accused the old man of drug dealing. Cops and prosecutor, instead of applying a lick of common sense, entered his home late at night and shot him dead when he “acted aggressively” as in his INNOCENT mind, his home was being invaded.

Or the elderly native with hearing problems that died for whittling.

The list of those that believe exactly as you do, that are no longer with us, is growing longer by the day.

Keep on thinking you are safe. I’ll pray that it is true.

But counting on it is going to get more citizens like you dead.

Rest assured the rest of our generation will continue to think the same as you do now.

Cognitive Dissonance is a very real condition.

This isn’t an inner city, or drug, or gang, or black issue.

This IS the result of out of control laws and out of control cops that believe they are above the laws they hold us to on a daily, and anal, basis.

Peace SSS, I wish you continued peace in your life.

Sensetti
Sensetti
May 1, 2015 12:38 am

Triple S says 42% Latino. That’s huge. Are they a threat during civil unrest? No, and here’s why in one word. Family.

Drop south just a bit and go walk around Nogales for a few days then come back and convenience me of that.

Sensetti
Sensetti
May 1, 2015 12:40 am

TE is irrational. Gotta be a woman!

Sensetti
Sensetti
May 1, 2015 12:46 am

Triple S Im just pulling your chain. You are correct Mexicans for the most part are very good people, hard working. MS13 which is not Mexican, whole nother story.

AC
AC
May 1, 2015 12:54 am

I’ll just leave this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_of_San_Diego

here.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
May 1, 2015 12:57 am

SSS, I’m not much of a sociologist, so I failed in my attempt above. I can say that as far as assimilation, blacks and browns have a public language and a private language. Hispanics speak English in public usage and Spanish in private conversation. Blacks have their Ebonic language for private use and if they are inclined to speak the White man’s language, they speak English.
My son had a friend, a polite black kid who always called me Sir. He said he and his friend Aaron were in a music store (long time ago) my son asked the black clerk for Bones, Thugs and Harmony. The clerk was irritated at my son’s white English. Aaron translated, he mean Biggie and Bone. Ice Cube behind the counter pointed to the far corner.
As a general rule, Hispanics like gringos, particularly foreign born Hispanics. Chele, Guero, Bolillo are all terms of endearment for white folks. Gringo is a nuetral term and Yankee is hardly used in the southwest. Conversely, mayate, chombo, tinto, etc. are not very positive terms for black folks. Negro is the preferred term and it is sometimes softened with the diminutive ‘ito’ – negrito. My buddy Diana told me it was racist to call a black person by that and years later, a black co-worker drove the point home when he took to calling me, ‘the little Mexican’.
I think little details like these tend to color my comments, though you already know my love of things American includes people of all colors, I must acknowledge that my Kumbaya attitude is not shared by all Hispanics and sometimes even I become, as the beautiful blonde put it, ‘high maintenance’ or emotionally needy.
Thank you for your comment, I will keep it in mind while writing my own article.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
May 1, 2015 2:24 am

SSS says:

Zarathustra says:

“The drug lords and gangs don’t strike me as particularly family oriented.”

You can always count on Zara to stop by and take a dump on a thread. Are we going to judge Latino culture by Pablo Escobar, any more than we’re to judge German culture by Adolph Hitler, or Persian culture by Ayotollah Khomeini? Get a grip.
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A funny thing about Ayatollah Khomeini. He said that the revolution was not about Iran but rather Islam. Nevertheless he himself wrote erotic poetry:

http://www.al-islam.org/wine-love-mystical-poetry-imam-khomeini

Iran is a complex society. Americans will never understand it.

Tim
Tim
May 1, 2015 6:48 am

I lived in El Paso, TX for 8 years, having just moved to Dallas in the last year. I echo SSS thoughts. For several years, Juarez, Mexico was one of (if not the number 1) the most dangerous cities in the world. The violence that I read about daily was staggering and breath-taking. One wondered how humanity could treat humanity in such a brutal fashion. Yet, El Paso remained extremely safe. The FBI crime stats always placed it #1 or #2 safest city in the US, for it’s size. In other words, Sure, crimes and even violent crimes happened there, but for a city with over half a million people (Over 1 million if you consider the whole metropolitan area) very little crime occurred.

I never could quite figure out the reason for the dichotomy. I heard many different explanations from many different people, but nothing ever really made sense. It just was.

There were occasions, rarely, but it did happen, that I would wake up in the morning, and realize I had left the garage door open overnight. Nothing was ever missing, and no incidents ever happened. I did have some scrap copper pipe [from my jobsite] stolen out of my yard once, but that was clearly my own fault for leaving it out there. Leaving it outside, in plain sight, was very dumb, in retrospect.

We had lots of Mexican friends. We went to many, many parties and get-togethers with them. Some of the happiest people in the world. We laugh now, looking back, about being the gringos who show up at 3:00 PM, promptly. Because that’s what the invitation said. But a 3:00 PM start time really means 5:00 PM. Now that we’re in Dallas, we’re always late for our family get togethers, because, you know, manana. Sometimes, we’d stay up late and listen to the live band that would sometimes play in the house behind ours. I didn’t let my daughter climb up on the roof to watch, though. That seemed a little too intrusive, somehow.

There was a column I read in the local rag on Becoming Bi-Cultural in the Borderlands. Or anywhere, I guess. It highlighted some of the differences between the two cultures. A Mexican house is noisy, chaotic, and full of life. An Anglo house is cold and sterile. Mexicans treat their dogs like dogs and their children like children. Anglos will let their dogs sleep in bed with them. And as SSS said, family was first. The saying was, that if you married a Mexican gal, you married her whole family. I knew lots of Anglos who loved Mexican gals, always stating how good they will treat you.

We used to joke around with our friends about the differences in our two cultures. One common joke with Enrique was based on something he said once. “Don’t worry about it. We’re Mexican.”
“What’s that supposed to mean, ‘we’re Mexican?”
It means we don’t care about money. Take it.
Which soon led to the running joke, “Don’t worry about it, we’re white.”

One time several years ago, we went to New York City. One night, wifey and I left the kids with my mom in the hotel room and went out to explore the city. We found an Irish bar with a Mexican bartender. Funny shit right there. I was going to laugh and kid with the man about it, but then I realized he didn’t know I lived in El Paso and loved the Mexican people there. He probably wouldn’t get the joke. Wisely, I kept my mouth shut. Una mas cervaza, por favor.

In an unknown and uncertain future, I don’t doubt that El Paso and much of the southwest will have their own growing pains. Too many people competing for too little water. The federal border patrol agents likely as out of control as the local copfuks. The mass immigration of illegal immigrants. Of course, when an illegal crosses the river, he doesn’t stop in El Paso. He goes on to Houston, or Dallas, or Chicago.

But on the whole, I think SSS largely correct. I would feel much safer in a primarily Hispanic city than I would feel in Newark, NJ.

card802
card802
May 1, 2015 7:23 am

SSS is making a comparison between Latinos and Blacks, one race, as a whole, honors family, the other, as a whole, honors not much.
Then the conversation turns to picking out the bad element in the Latino community as if all Latinos are bad.

There are some evil Latinos, ok, there are some good blacks, ok.

In my little corner of West Michigan we have to the east the FSA white trash that will rob and steal, we have the FSA black gang bangers living in the center of town basically shooting each other, and south of us we have FSA Latino and Vietnamese gangs that for the most part keep to themselves unless they destroy the tulips in Holland before the festival.

Pareto’s Law, 80% of any race is comprised of basically decent folks, 20% are trouble makers, and maybe 20% of the 20% are the really bad dregs of society.
What race of people is without sin?

Hollow man
Hollow man
May 1, 2015 7:53 am

You are not safe in any large city. Whites are not immune to the coming financial collapse. Food will eventually become a problem as well as medicine and water. Society is on the edge. Severe financial distress will finish us off. It will get very ugly. Then the government will give us a war to help control us. Can’t feed us use us for cannon fodder.

Billy
Billy
May 1, 2015 8:10 am

Some interesting “tells” about Tim’s post…

1) I did have some scrap copper pipe [from my jobsite] stolen out of my yard once, but that was clearly my own fault for leaving it out there. Leaving it outside, in plain sight, was very dumb, in retrospect.

Soooo, you leaving your own property – the copper pipe – out on your own property somehow makes you responsible for making some thief trespass onto your property and steal your stuff?

Just another variation of “Da debbil made me dood it!”. Personal responsibility lays with the thief, Tim. You blame yourself for some scumbag stealing your stuff. How mentally ill do you have to be to reach this conclusion?

2) A Mexican house is noisy, chaotic, and full of life. An Anglo house is cold and sterile. Mexicans treat their dogs like dogs and their children like children. Anglos will let their dogs sleep in bed with them.

Cold and sterile? Fuck you, Tim. My house is a place of peace. It’s a refuge from the chaos of the world outside and is as warm and inviting as I can make it. It doesn’t look like a set from “The Price is Right” – people live here and it shows. I’ve been in Messican/Hispanic homes before – it’s chaos. Loud. I could never live there.

If you think that peaceful is somehow “cold and sterile” and that constant, running arguments is a requirement for “full of life”, you’re more than welcome to it.

And I’ve had dogs before. Dogs are family members. More – they’re damn near TEAM MEMBERS. I trust them and they trust me. No dogs on the bed, but they are allowed in the house. Perhaps if the Messicans took better care of their dogs and they were cleaner, it wouldn’t be such an issue.

3) We found an Irish bar with a Mexican bartender. Funny shit right there. I was going to laugh and kid with the man about it, but then I realized he didn’t know I lived in El Paso and loved the Mexican people there. He probably wouldn’t get the joke. Wisely, I kept my mouth shut.

Wisely kept your mouth shut?

You fucking PUSSY. A milquetoast, dickless eunuch. It’s an IRISH BAR. Why the fuck is a beanbag running the bar? Should have a flame-haired daughter of the Emerald Isle slinging drinks instead of some border hopper, and I would have said so. That’s the whole POINT.

You go to an Irish bar because of the atmosphere and – sometimes – damn good beer that other places don’t carry. You go to those places to escape the world around you – in this case, The City of Turmoil… you’d think in Noo Yawk Shitty, it would be possible to find at least ONE redheaded Irish gal who could competently bartend… but no. You walk in and there’s Julio, about as Irish as a burrito. Fuck that.

Thanks for maintaining our culture, asshole [/sarc].

Stucky
Stucky
May 1, 2015 8:18 am

“But on the whole, I think SSS largely correct. I would feel much safer in a primarily Hispanic city than I would feel in Newark, NJ.” —————– Tim

I enjoyed your post, Tim.

I still have need to go to Newark once in a while. As long as I go in the day time AND confine myself to the immediate downtown area, no problem. Otherwise, it’s a scary proposition.

EXCEPT for an area of Newark known as Ironbound … formerly a haven for Krauts, Dagos, and Pollacks … today it is predominately Portuguese and Spanish. GREAT restaurants … that Ms Freud and I go to at NIGHT. And after dinner we walk around, maybe stop in a coffee and pastry shop. Zero fear. But, go two miles north into Darkietown, and Ms Freud would be terrified.

Billy
Billy
May 1, 2015 8:32 am

EXCEPT for an area of Newark known as Ironbound … formerly a haven for Krauts, Dagos, and Pollacks … today it is predominately Portuguese and Spanish. GREAT restaurants … that Ms Freud and I go to at NIGHT. And after dinner we walk around, maybe stop in a coffee and pastry shop. Zero fear. But, go two miles north into Darkietown, and Ms Freud would be terrified. – Stucky

Sooo, the Euros got replaced by Portagees and… Spanish? You mean genuine Iberian Spaniards or some flavor of mongrel? Because genuine Yerds are fairly rare over here, and they will go out of thier way to tell you they’re Spaniards… apparently, there is a pecking order, with the Iberians at the top.

You backstop my point nicely about multiculturalism – once folks get past the subject of “food”, it gets pretty thin.

Stucky
Stucky
May 1, 2015 8:46 am

“Sooo, the Euros got replaced by Portagees and… Spanish?” ——— Billy

Well, Portugal and Spain are part of Europe.

They seem to be pretty genuine to me …. then again, I don’t usually ask to see people’s passports. Ms Freud is half Portuguese (her father was born there), she speaks some, and she says they’re the real deal.

“You backstop my point nicely about multiculturalism – once folks get past the subject of “food”, it gets pretty thin.” ———- Billy

The discussion is about SAFETY … and that the contrast amongst two cultures in the SAME city, just a couple miles apart, is quite dramatic. One group makes great neighbors. The other –not so much.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
May 1, 2015 8:54 am

Hi guys!

I rarely see a beaner and I see very few afro-mericans so I am feeling pretty darn safe. We should stop going after each other and start pointing the finger at the “divide and conquer” assholes.

Stucky
Stucky
May 1, 2015 8:55 am

Tim,

After reading Billy’s critique of your post, and the subsequent ripping of a new asshole, I’m not so sure I like your post anymore. :mrgreen:

Tim
Tim
May 1, 2015 9:00 am

@Stuck: Thanks.

I just used Newark as a “for instance.”
I’m just saying that in general, I feel much safer in a Hispanic culture than what I’m growing to see about the urban black communities. I could have picked any city, USA like Atlanta, Detroit, Camden, etc.

I’ve never specifically gone to Newark.

Thanks again for your kind words,

Stucky
Stucky
May 1, 2015 9:01 am

“They [Latinos] embrace their unique culture” ———– SSS

Hey, El Coyote!!

In another thread I mentioned something about “American culture”. And you asked “What culture is that?”

Why don’t you ask SSS the same question about Latino culture? What is it?

flash
flash
May 1, 2015 9:07 am

when I lived in Tejas, back in the lates 70’s ,early 80’s , you dared not enter Mexican neighborhoods unless you wanted the remains of your sliced and diced body later recovered stuffed in a waste disposal bin…that said,we still fare better having Latinos as neighbors more so than the Vietnamese did having SSS and crew as guests in their country..

The Greatest Danger in the World

The greatest danger in the world today to the ecological integrity of the biosphere and the sanctity of life is the United States government and the masses of mindless young men who do its bidding, being incapable of thinking for themselves and starving for the identity of the uniform. If that seems like a radical statement, re-read the previous paragraph. At a deeper level the problem is the superstitious, almost religious response of the human mind to external authority. We know power corrupts, but we persist in putting mere mortals in positions of extreme power. The global situation will improve only when we take responsibility for our own financial, ethical and ecological lives, and cease to allow ourselves to be led around by the nose by so-called leaders who are inevitably corrupted by the positions of power into which we ourselves put them.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
May 1, 2015 10:06 pm

Thanks to Billy, I am beginning to gain more respect for wrestlers. I always thought Lanny Poffo was kidding when he called himself ‘the Genius’ but it turns out hillbillies do in fact know it all, at least if Billy is any proof .
I was a little hesitant to generalize about 50 million people who call themselves HIspanic but fools go where angels fear to tread. Billie wades right in to tell us that Hispanic households are indeeed Bedlam. I wonder if my family was more assimilated than I believed? We did not have a noisy household. My mom did her housework quietly and had dinner ready for my dad when he got home from the bar around 9 or 10. If my brothers and I had the misfortune to get on my mom’s last nerve, there was going to be an accounting when my dad got home. Lucky for us, she always sent us boys out of the house, boys do not belong indoors. He got into plenty of mischief then. But we knew better than to do real shit that would get us involved with the police, because we knew, instinctively that if we ever got in trouble with the police, my dad was going to kill us.
My father was perhaps a brutal dad, I suspect a lot of boomers got raised like that but he did not use bad language at home, he was actually a typical happy Mexican. He had a contagious laugh, he could get a whole theater laughing with his choking, sputtering, laughter. Some Mexicans can crow like Mariachis and stir the blood, my dad could stir people’s spirit with his laugh. Matter of fact, that is what my mom put on his tombstone: The Lord turned my tears to laughter.
I don’t know a lot of Mexican families, we were like most families, very separate, my dad wa not too fond of visiting the rest of our family or even his own, preferring only to visit my grandma. I got to know my uncles’ families because I was the oldest boy and enjoyed that privilege.
My mom learned a rudimentary sort of English watching American westerns. We never watched the Mexican soapys my cousins seemed to be hooked on. My sister Sandra and I used to stay up late on the weekends watching scary shows like Outer Limits or Thriller.
The one big battle that I can recall was the time both sisters got in a fight over the radio, one had the radio and the other had the cord. When they yanked the cord off the set, the fight was over. There wasn’t much screaming and yelling, my mother never heard anything in the kitchen. I can’t remember any other sceaming matches such as Billy assures us happen in all Hispanic homes, I was outdoors, remember?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
May 1, 2015 10:17 pm

Billy says: You backstop my point nicely about multiculturalism – once folks get past the subject of “food”, it gets pretty thin.

What else are people of different races and cultures supposed to share, sex? No, you prefer murder, like LLPOH said, Billy see Billy kill. Your contributions are pretty thin gruel once you strip away the posturing and uncouth language. It all boils down to hatred of anything not approved by your sect.

Damn, I miss bb, at least he is right once a day.

Oh, I know Billy is going to sacrifice me on the altar of Thor, ah well, ignorance has to be pointed out.

Sensetti
Sensetti
May 1, 2015 11:24 pm

Who’s gonna win the fight Pacquiao or Mayweather. I’m betting on the black guy with da long arms.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
May 2, 2015 12:30 am

We’re rooting for Pac Man. He is an evangelical Christian, you know a lot of folks are going to be praying for him. Di you ever watch Cesar Chavez?
I heard the 15 was down to a crawl earlier. A fellow at the NYNY told me SoCal residents are the major portion of Vegas customers. A lot of folks from here retire to Vegas for a few years until they get tired of it. I’ve been there several years in a row and I have seen enough of it but I wish I was there for the fight.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
May 2, 2015 12:32 am

EC- What do you mean you miss bb????? Did he leave and if so, why? I can’t believe it.

I have been busy since last week…..did I miss something big?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
May 2, 2015 1:19 am

Stucky says: “They [Latinos] embrace their unique culture” ———– SSS

Hey, El Coyote!! In another thread I mentioned something about “American culture”. And you asked “What culture is that?” Why don’t you ask SSS the same question about Latino culture? What is it?

Dorothy Parker said Los Angeles is 72 suburbs in search of a city. American culture is 72 sub cultures in search of a national culture. When you were speaking of “American culture” I asked because I wanted to hear your definition, culture is so many different things to different folks. Culture is not just food as some folks claim. It is food, drinks, bars, music, conversation, words, gestures, smiles, agreement, winks, teasing, pouting, tantrums, apologies, goodbyes, longing, pining, reconciliation, (we were walking around downtown LA when the woman selling women’s undergarments said, take a look here at the thong of reconciliation) culture is gathering or avoiding, fighting or overlooking, it is Catechism classes, youth baseball, beer kegs at a kid’s birthday party, love connections at a hillbilly family reunion, gossip, boomer mindset, it goes on and on but American is too general a term but still special and different from all other cultures. Ethnic cultures like German or Irish are part of that American culture but they share dominance with Hispanic culture and Black culture.

Why would I ask SSS what Hispanic culture is? I wouldn’t go to an Irish bar for a margarita.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
May 2, 2015 1:34 am

Bea Lever says: EC- What do you mean you miss bb????? Did he leave and if so, why? I can’t believe it. I have been busy since last week…..did I miss something big?

LLPOH said he was banned. He may just be out on a long haul delivery. Some folks don’t like him, can you believe that? Like their shit don’t stink. There is a person here, maybe Sensetti, who has a list, a record of firsts. He might be able to tell us how many commenters have been banned and the particulars of the event.

Maybe he could tell us who was the first to post a shelfie, a selfie of their turd, I think it was KB, another guy I miss. Hey KB, I can’t post pics but if I could, I would have had one to rival your yellow turd, it was a nice one, I really enjoyed the whole extrusion, if you’ve ever had trouble crapping, you will understand my enthusiasm. I credit the fact that I cut back on hot sauce and large meal portions.

Also beans! Beans are a huge US crop, make no mistake, as well as rice. While I’m being crude, I got an idea about drought relief, Americans like buying Cali bottled water in the midst of our own thirst, so I thought we can export our piss, you buy a home filter, we will send you genuine Cali piss. I’m not drunk, although that would be a good excuse, I just miss bb.