By Joline Gutierrez Krueger at the Albuquerque Journal
Maybe he should have taken traveler’s checks.
But it’s too late for that now. All the money – $16,000 in cash – that Joseph Rivers said he had saved and relatives had given him to launch his dream in Hollywood is gone, seized during his trip out West not by thieves but by Drug Enforcement Administration agents during a stop at the Amtrak train station in Albuquerque.
An incident some might argue is still theft, just with the government’s blessing.
Rivers, 22, wasn’t detained and has not been charged with any crime since his money was taken last month.
That doesn’t matter. Under a federal law enforcement tool called civil asset forfeiture, he need never be arrested or convicted of a crime for the government to take away his cash, cars or property – and keep it.
Agencies like the DEA can confiscate money or property if they have a hunch, a suspicion, a notion that maybe, possibly, perhaps the items are connected with narcotics. Or something else illegal.
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Or maybe the fact that the person holding a bunch of cash is a young black man is good enough.
“What this is, is having your money stolen by a federal agent acting under the color of law,” said Michael Pancer, a San Diego attorney who represents Rivers, an aspiring music video producer. “It’s a national epidemic. If my office got four to five cases just recently, and I’m just one attorney, you know this is happening thousands of times.”
A Washington Post investigation last year found that local, state and federal agents nationwide have seized $2.5 billion in cash from almost 62,000 people since 2001 – without warrants or indictments. It’s unknown how many got their money back.
It happened, Rivers said, to him on April 15 as he was traveling on Amtrak from Dearborn, Mich., near his hometown of Romulus, Mich., to Los Angeles to fulfill his dream of making a music video. Rivers, in an email, said he had saved his money for years, and his mother and other relatives scraped together the rest of the $16,000.
Rivers said he carried his savings in cash because he has had problems in the past with taking out large sums of money from out-of-state banks.
A DEA agent boarded the train at the Albuquerque Amtrak station and began asking various passengers, including Rivers, where they were going and why. When Rivers replied that he was headed to LA to make a music video, the agent asked to search his bags. Rivers complied.
Rivers was the only passenger singled out for a search by DEA agents – and the only black person on his portion of the train, Pancer said.
In one of the bags, the agent found the cash, still in the Michigan bank envelope.
“I even allowed him to call my mother, a military veteran and (hospital) coordinator, to corroborate my story,” Rivers said. “Even with all of this, the officers decided to take my money because he stated that he believed that the money was involved in some type of narcotic activity.”
Rivers was left penniless, his dream deferred.
“These officers took everything that I had worked so hard to save and even money that was given to me by family that believed in me,” Rivers said in his email. “I told (the DEA agents) I had no money and no means to survive in Los Angeles if they took my money. They informed me that it was my responsibility to figure out how I was going to do that.”
Other travelers had witnessed what happened. One of them, a New Mexico man I’ve written about before but who asked that I not mention his name, provided a way for Rivers to get home, contacted attorneys – and me.
“He was literally like my guardian angel that came out of nowhere,” Rivers said.
Sean Waite, the agent in charge for the DEA in Albuquerque, said he could not comment on the Rivers case because it is ongoing. He disputed allegations that Rivers was targeted because of his race.
Waite said that in general DEA agents look for “indicators” such as whether the person bought an expensive one-way ticket with cash, if the person is traveling from or to a city known as a hot spot for drug activity, if the person’s story has inconsistencies or if the large sums of money found could have been transported by more conventional means.
“We don’t have to prove that the person is guilty,” Waite said. “It’s that the money is presumed to be guilty.”
DEA agents may choose to ask the person whether his or her possessions can be searched in what is called a “consensual encounter.” If the subject refuses, the bags – but not the person – can be held until a search warrant is obtained, he said.
Waite said that he could not provide exact figures on how often seizures occur in Albuquerque but that last week the DEA had five “consensual encounters” that resulted in seizures.
Whatever is seized is held during an internal administrative process (read: not public) while a case is made to connect the property to narcotics. Subjects can file a claim to have the items returned – and then they wait, sometimes forever.
While travelers like Rivers still have to worry about DEA agents, state and local law enforcement in New Mexico no longer has these virtually unlimited seizure powers. Five days before Rivers’ encounter in Albuquerque, Gov. Susana Martinez signed into law a bill that bars state and local law enforcement from seizing money or property under civil asset forfeiture. The law takes effect in July.
But the new state law won’t supersede the federal law, meaning federal agencies such as the DEA are still free to take your cash on arguably the flimsiest of legal grounds.
Meanwhile, Rivers is back in Michigan, dreaming, praying.
“He’s handed this over to God,” his attorney said.
Which seems infinitely safer than handing over anything further to government agents.
Source: DEA to traveler: Thanks, I’ll take that cash | Albuquerque Journal News
“He’s handed this over to God,” his attorney said”
He’d get MUCH better results if he handed this over to Smith &Wesson.
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This shit is just wrong and must end. Who could have predicted we would still have “highwaymen” in the 21st century?
@Russia Is Strong – These were armed Federal agents. If he “handed this over to Smith & Wesson” he’d be dead or in jail and they’d still have his money.
It looks like these days if you’re going to carry a large amount of cash that you should carry it on your person. Then they’d have to search you, not just your luggage, to find it. There still are no guarantees, but it would require another level of escalation by the Feds.
@Araven – Federal agents or not, these dirtbags are STEALING. Moreover, the are doing it under the color of authority which only compounds the criminality. If enough victims sacrifice themselves by using firearms to defend their freedom & property against this abuse, even at the cost of their own lives, then I can GUARANTEE that these so-called ‘federal agents’ would start to think twice about robbing people at gunpoint.
As to that age-old argument that “no one can go face to face against the power of the U.S. government and come out winning” .. I would refer such thinkers to the history of the Taliban, the North Vietnamese, and the North Koreans.
@RIS, you want to get yourself killed you go right ahead. This kid was an innocent, he just wanted to go to Hollywood and make a music video. His only crimes were being young and being the only black person in the train car. If he had pulled a weapon they would have shot him without a thought and buried it as a drug related crime. It wouldn’t have made the news – no impact to the Feds or changes to our society, just a dead kid. Pulling a gun in this case would have just been stupid.
seized during his trip out West not by thieves but by Drug Enforcement Administration agents
Not by thieves? WTF do you think the DEA assholes are? If your job description is “steals from people,” you are a thief.
They killed the Constitution and along with that went “due process”, “search warrants”, “just compensation”, “Right to Keep and Bear Arms”, “speedy public trial”, “Grand Juries”, “trial by Peers”, “excessive fines”, “States Rights”, “Punishment without Conviction”, “Double Jeopardy:, “Equal Protection of the Law”, “Taxes on Incomes”, “Make anything but Gold and Silver a Tender in Payment of Debts”, etc etc. Their acts are Treason and their Punishment should be Death.
“but dont disrespect them, they are authority, take your opportunity in court and it will work out. And when the neegrows come shooting you’ll be glad the police are there…”
and othe idiotic verbal diahrrea from snivly pissant bb while he licks peanut butter off little bb’s taint.
If it walks like a (drug courier), quacks like a (drug courier), it’s probably a drug courier. I’m from miami, I’ve seen the likes of this guy more times than I can count. Those asset forfeiture laws are what finally ended the cocaine cowboy heyday down here. If he earned that money, he can prove it.
DEA Strikes Again: Seize Man’s Life Savings Under Civil Asset Forfeiture Without Charges
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
All the money – $16,000 in cash – that Joseph Rivers said he had saved and relatives had given him to launch his dream in Hollywood is gone, seized during his trip out West not by thieves but by Drug Enforcement Administration agents during a stop at the Amtrak train station in Albuquerque.
Rivers, 22, wasn’t detained and has not been charged with any crime since his money was taken last month.
That doesn’t matter. Under a federal law enforcement tool called civil asset forfeiture, he need never be arrested or convicted of a crime for the government to take away his cash, cars or property – and keep it.
Rivers was left penniless, his dream deferred.
From the Albuquerque Journal article: DEA to Traveler: Thanks, I’ll Take That Cash
In the “land of the free” you might be innocent until proven guilty, but your assets aren’t.
In one of the most uncivilized and preposterous loopholes in America, federal agents are allowed to steal citizens’ assets; cars, cash, even homes, based on suspicion alone. I’ve covered this barbaric and backward practice on many occasions, but here’s a quick refresher from the first post I wrote on the subject in 2013, Why You Should Never, Ever Drive Through Tenaha, Texas:
In a nutshell, civil forfeiture is the practice of confiscating items from people, ranging from cash, cars, even homes based on no criminal conviction or charges, merely suspicion. This practice first became widespread for use against pirates, as a way to take possession of contraband goods despite the fact that the ships’ owners in many cases were located thousands of miles away and couldn’t easily be prosecuted. As is often the case, what starts out reasonable becomes a gigantic organized crime ring of criminality, particularly in a society where the rule of law no longer exists for the “elite,” yet anything goes when it comes to pillaging the average citizen.
One of the major reasons these programs have become so abused is that the police departments themselves are able to keep much of the confiscated money. So they actually have a perverse incentive to steal. As might be expected, a program that is often touted as being effective against going after major drug kingpins, actually targets the poor and disenfranchised more than anything else.
Fortunately, civil asset forfeiture became a major issue last year, and while many states are moving to halt or crack down on the practice, this apparently doesn’t stop federal agents from continuing to ruin people’s lives. In today’s post, the culprits are DEA agents, recently best known for using drug cartel and taxpayer money to pay for orgies with prostitutes, as well as wrongfully locking up a California student for days without food and water until he had to drink his own urine to survive.
If those stories weren’t sufficient to convince you that the war on drugs is a useless fraud, perhaps the following will. From the Albuquerque Journal:
Maybe he should have taken traveler’s checks.
But it’s too late for that now. All the money – $16,000 in cash – that Joseph Rivers said he had saved and relatives had given him to launch his dream in Hollywood is gone, seized during his trip out West not by thieves but by Drug Enforcement Administration agents during a stop at the Amtrak train station in Albuquerque.
An incident some might argue is still theft, just with the government’s blessing.
Rivers, 22, wasn’t detained and has not been charged with any crime since his money was taken last month.
That doesn’t matter. Under a federal law enforcement tool called civil asset forfeiture, he need never be arrested or convicted of a crime for the government to take away his cash, cars or property – and keep it.
Agencies like the DEA can confiscate money or property if they have a hunch, a suspicion, a notion that maybe, possibly, perhaps the items are connected with narcotics. Or something else illegal.
The most amazing part is that any society can be stupid and passive enough to allow this policy to persist.
Or maybe the fact that the person holding a bunch of cash is a young black man is good enough.
It happened, Rivers said, to him on April 15 as he was traveling on Amtrak from Dearborn, Mich., near his hometown of Romulus, Mich., to Los Angeles to fulfill his dream of making a music video. Rivers, in an email, said he had saved his money for years, and his mother and other relatives scraped together the rest of the $16,000.
Rivers said he carried his savings in cash because he has had problems in the past with taking out large sums of money from out-of-state banks.
A DEA agent boarded the train at the Albuquerque Amtrak station and began asking various passengers, including Rivers, where they were going and why. When Rivers replied that he was headed to LA to make a music video, the agent asked to search his bags. Rivers complied.
Rivers was the only passenger singled out for a search by DEA agents – and the only black person on his portion of the train, Pancer said.
Rivers was left penniless, his dream deferred.
Other travelers had witnessed what happened. One of them, a New Mexico man I’ve written about before but who asked that I not mention his name, provided a way for Rivers to get home, contacted attorneys – and me.
Sean Waite, the agent in charge for the DEA in Albuquerque, said he could not comment on the Rivers case because it is ongoing. He disputed allegations that Rivers was targeted because of his race.
Waite said that in general DEA agents look for “indicators” such as whether the person bought an expensive one-way ticket with cash, if the person is traveling from or to a city known as a hot spot for drug activity, if the person’s story has inconsistencies or if the large sums of money found could have been transported by more conventional means.
“We don’t have to prove that the person is guilty,” Waite said. “It’s that the money is presumed to be guilty.”
Again, what kind of idiotic civilization conducts its business like this?
DEA agents may choose to ask the person whether his or her possessions can be searched in what is called a “consensual encounter.” If the subject refuses, the bags – but not the person – can be held until a search warrant is obtained, he said.
Waite said that he could not provide exact figures on how often seizures occur in Albuquerque but that last week the DEA had five “consensual encounters” that resulted in seizures.
Whatever is seized is held during an internal administrative process (read: not public) while a case is made to connect the property to narcotics. Subjects can file a claim to have the items returned – and then they wait, sometimes forever.
This is not what freedom looks like.
While travelers like Rivers still have to worry about DEA agents, state and local law enforcement in New Mexico no longer has these virtually unlimited seizure powers. Five days before Rivers’ encounter in Albuquerque, Gov. Susana Martinez signed into law a bill that bars state and local law enforcement from seizing money or property under civil asset forfeiture. The law takes effect in July.
But the new state law won’t supersede the federal law, meaning federal agencies such as the DEA are still free to take your cash on arguably the flimsiest of legal grounds.
Drugs are everywhere. The “war on drugs” has been a monumental failure that has achieved absolutely nothing other than erode the civil liberties of average Americans, and provide an efficient avenue for police and federal agent to steal citizens’ hard earned assets with no due process. It’s long past time to put an end to the war on drugs, civil asset forfeiture and the DEA.
The guy should start a gofundme.com webpage. Hell, if the fake victims of the Boston Marathon bombing can do it (one amputee crisis actor got over $800,000!), he can too.
Go fuck an asteroid, starfcker.
He will get his money back, less whatever it costs to fight the seizure. It is totally fucked up.
He should not have consented to the search. On what grounds could they possibly get a warrant to search his bags? Because he refused the voluntary search? That would be laughed out of court – they need reasonable cause, supposedly.
If the US were what its Constitution says it should be, there is no better place on earth, and I would never have conceived of leaving. Not now, not ever. But the fact is, in the end one must face reality. The US is not governed by its Constitution, it is increasingly committing crimes against its citizens and against the world in general, it is making tax slaves out of the productive, while simultaneously vilifying them for so being, and its citizens by and large support what it is doing.
Australia has the same problems, by and large. But it is vastly more sedate, at least for the moment. And it has vastly better demographics going forward – with the ability to expand its population in order to keep kicking the can down the road.
By 2030, demographics in combo with vast numbers of welfare recipients will rip the US apart.
As Admin so sagely says, fourth turnings will be hell.
Starfucker – that is the dumbest shit ever posted on this site.
You seem intent on depriving US citizens of their Constitutional rights.
You ever read the Constitution and Bill Of Rights?
What does it say?
Well, here is what the fucking 4th Amendment says, asshole:
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized”.
It is a goddamn Constitutional right that this shit not happen. But Starfuckhead thinks it is all ok because, of well, drug dealers, you know. I mean, how can a seizure without any proof whatsoever be anything but unreasonable?
And here is the eight amendment:
“Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.”
Fining the person ALL of HIS money, for unspecified, unproved, crime is certainly excessive.
Rise Up, what proof do you have that any of the victims of the Boston Bombing are fake? Don’t give me any bullshit about someone’s “analysis” of supposed pictures of the bombing show me some REAL data that PROVES that even one of the victims is fake. The Boston Bombing was a false flag, but the worst part of the false flag is the false stories fed to the web blaming the victims and calling them fakes, and the saddest part is the number of people who took the bait, hook, line, and sinker. If these people were fakes their names would be false, so there would be holes in the records of their residences, their hospital records would be false or missing, their employment records would be false or missing, etc., etc. Has ANYONE who claims that these people are fakes done this type of research? Have they gone and knocked on their door and talked to them? Knocked on their neighbor’s door? Of course not, because if they did it would show that these people are not fakes and they wouldn’t be making these claims. So you think these people are actors, who? What are their real names? Where are they from? The story blaming the victims has so many holes in it it is pathetic. You are just another dupe following the plot line set out by the PTB.
Llpoh, the only issue I have with your comments is that it is very likely that it would cost more than the $16,000 he lost to fight the seizure. Otherwise you’re spot on.
Heads up Administrator in taking your $7,900 to the bank. Too much money for Cheese-Steaks
Araven – read somewhere that someone won with a legal bill of around $3000. And seems there are some lawyers taking these cases pro bono because what is happening is such a disgrace.
If enough people fight, the system will get overloaded and the perpetrators will not have the resources to defend.
The IRS is afraid of this type of attack as well – if it were not for having to defend their atrocities in court, and the costs thereof, the IRS would be totally out of control. Generally, they attempt to settle. IF everyone said hell no, take me to court, the IRS would fall over like a house of cards in a typhoon.
Starfucker as morphed into bb’s idiot brother. What a shame.
Ouch. I know when I post this kind of stuff I’m going to get roughed up, but I actually had several experiences with this kind of profiling when I was younger. I fit the profile, and I carried a lot of cash. Every single time, despite the absurdity of my situation, they let me go, and I kept my cash. I just don’t think we’re getting the full story.
Star – well, that last kind of comment may get you kicked a little. But any comment around here suggesting we pitch out our Constitutional rights will get you a bent over the counter.
I lived in Fla. for a while and carried a loaded 45 around at all times because of the dealers to which you refer. But I would not suggest we throw out the 4th Amendment. Instead, I suggest the Police actually do their fucking jobs.
More than one military Joe has gotten busted ‘accidentally’ crossing the border with ammo. The same story with people stopped at the border carrying $7500, confiscated immediately, the story was they worked and saved it up to take to their family, they don’t trust banks, yada yada. And yet, folks like Western Useless and Xoom advertise in Spanish everywhere: send money to Mexico…
It’s a sad tale, if true, but the government highwaymen insist they are catching cash mules, because one way or another, the cash is going south.
EC – US dollars going into Mexico SHOULD be confiscated. It is US money, and those damn beaners should not be getting their stinking pepper-picking paws on any of it. Let them print their own fucking money, just like the US does.
I say we practice civil forfeiture on some of the .01% elite fuks……I think we’ll call it Robin Hood and his Merry Men revisited.
In a Supreme Court ruling, you now must INVOKE your right to keep your mouth shut. You simply cannot keep your mouth shut – you have to say you are keeping your mouth shut – ie. you need to say “I will not answer questions unless I have my attorney”, or “I invoke my right to remain silent”, or similar.
If you do not, then your silence can be used against you in a court of law.
Isn’t that special.
Bea – given that the top 1% pay 35% of all fed income taxes, then that is already happening.
Just how much tax is enough? And why do the bottom 50% get to pay nothing?
Collect just a couple percent off of them, how about?
There is an EXPENDITURE problem, a welfare problem, a bought and sold government problem – but there is not a problem with how much tax is taken in.
Lloph, there is a big difference between the top 1% and the top 0.01% that Bea referenced. The top 0.01% are the biggest screwers. The top 1% are the biggest screwees.
LLPOH you said you left the country? Where did you go?
Oh I’m sorry Loopey…..I thought the article said the 22 year old’s savings.
So your saying it was the 22 year old’s tax payment money for the IRS. When did this become about tax payments?
You think Warren Buffet pays an unfair tax rate……send him some money. The best way to teach these fucks a lesson is give them a taste of their own medicine.
Araven – those folks pay enormous amounts of tax in absolute dollar amounts. Both personally and via their businesses. Forget the percentages paid or whatever – the top .01 percent – 15,000 taxpayers – pay hideous amounts of money in tax in absolute terms. Their percentage rates are distorted (lower) because they get capital gains rates, rather than income tax rates.
The top .1 percent pays more tax than the bottom 80% of the population – combined. So at a guess, those 15,000 probably pay as much as the bottom 65% or 70% of all taxpayers combined. For fuck sake, that is outrageous.
How is that in any way fair? Why should tax be based on how much someone can afford to pay? Tax, in my opinion, should kick out at some level. Once a person pays $1 million a year, or whatever, it should stop. Why should one be forced to pay for all those thousands and thousands and thousands of people? Why should ANYONE be forced to support another? It did not used to be the case. It is forced charity, and it had some limits until the 16th Amendment. And the Founders had no intention that it would happen. People got to keep their earnings. And gave charity as they saw fit.
Sure, the system is currently abused by many of those folks at the top end – and it needs to stop, by force if necessary. But not by all.
The idea of forcing people to pay for the unproductive/non-productive at the barrel of a gun “because they can afford it” has no end – the target simply shifts. In my book, EVERYONE should have to pay their own way.
Everyone above the 50% income level is getting screwed – everyone.
It does not make sense to me, and never will.
Bea – I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. The kid got screwed – but he will get it back except for court costs, eventually. So long as he fights it, and so long as the facts of the story are true.
Buffet pays almost no tax because he makes little money – he takes no dividends, he sells no stock, and his wage is $100k per year. He owns businesses, but has very little personal income.
There is no wealth tax – thank fuck for that.
Buffet owns a business that would pay BILLIONS per year in taxes. How is that not enough? How do you figure that he is not paying those taxes? He owns the companies that pays those taxes.
Are you suggesting he should be forced to sell shares every year so that he drives his personal income up so that he then will have to pay taxes on it?
That is some truly stupid shit right there.
He is doing some ruthless things as of late. But not illegal, best I know. And the bulk of his wealth was made honestly. And he certainly helped a lot of people become rich.
What do you want him punished for? For being rich? What exactly has he done that you want him raped for? Be specific now.
He is ruthlessly using the political system. The laws need to be changed, and we need honest politicians.
Harry ,these guys were federal DEA agents not state or local cops.I have never been in a situation where a federal agent wanted to go through my property. I have let border patrol agents let their dogs smell the inside of my truck for drugs but nothing else. I’m not sure what I would do.Sometimes I carry 4 to 5 thousand dollars with on the truck plus I always carry two pistols. So I guess it could happen to me. My first response would be I need call my legal counsel at FedEx.
Buffett’s company – Berkshire Hathaway – pays around $5 billion per year in taxes. Buffett owns a big slab of that.
So ipso facto, Buffett is generating tax revenue for the good old USA of perhaps a billion or more a year out of his personal holdings.
Seems like more than enough for any one man to be paying.
Lloph, the richer someone is the more money they have to pay lawyers and accountants and politicians and lobbyists to obfuscate their income and reduce their taxes. There are tens of thousands of pages of tax laws. Who had those pages put in place and why? It wasn’t the top 1% and it wasn’t the bottom 50%. It was the top 0.01%. And yes, I am generalizing like everyone else. I suppose there are a few people in the top 0.01% who are not psychopaths out to screw everybody else in any way they can, but it is only a few.
I didn’t say the current system is fair. I didn’t say that the rest of the top 50% isn’t getting screwed, just that the top 1%, the ones who are “rich” by Obama standards but not rich enough to buy elections and tax law, are getting screwed the worst and the top 0.01% are the ones directing the show. I agree that the current tax system in the US is totally fucked, but a large part of that is directly due to the influence of the top 0.01% so I can’t say that I can find any sympathy for them.
Araven – we are saying the same things, I think.
Cut out the corruption and influence peddling. Get some honesty going. Etc. etc. etc.
I just object on principle to the general idea that the answer is to “soak the rich”. That is not the answer, and it will hit innocent folks, and it will spread forevermore to lower and lower levels.
We need honest systems that cannot be bought. The flat tax system – which I would apply I think on all forms of income – seems the easiest to manage. Everyone would pay some, and the rich would pay the same percentage as everyone else, and pay it on all types of their income – dividends, salary, bonuses, options, etc. A lot of the time and effort spent on trying to restructure finances to minimize/avoid tax would disappear.
But in combination, the real issue needs (needed) to be addressed – the problem is spending, and deficit spending.
It is too late.
Back when the US was a generally healthy country, William McKinley’s 1900 campaign slogan was,
“Let Well Enough Alone,” which could be translated as, Don’t fuck with it. Would that would be anyone’s slogan today…
Where’s Rand Paul on this? Where’s Bernie Sanders? This asset forfeiture is total bullshit.
“No person shall be … deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”. (5th amendment)
Rivers said he carried his savings in cash because he has had problems in the past with taking out large sums of money from out-of-state banks.
WTF?
Anyone in their right mind would not travel with 16K, only a simple minded dumbass would do that. I’m pretty sure if you deposited the money in Bank of America in Michigan you could withdrawl the money from a Bank of America in California. Just do it over a period of time so it doesn’t look like a drug money.
Dudes an illegal I guarantee you. They carry cash, pay in cash and don’t trust banks.
Sensetti,
Try and withdraw $16k from a bank? Hahaha, yeah, that will go well.
i went to buy a used truck 5 years ago and went to withdraw just over $6k, they looked at me like i had 4 heads, had to talk to the bank manager of that branch. This kid would never had gotten his cash back out in one stop. And then if he did multiple withdrawals that would have flagged him as “suspicious”.
Sonic
Llpoh moved to Australia.
Stucky,
Talk about moving out of the frying pan and into the fire…