This list could grow to 1,000 ideas, but I’ve kept it down to ten. In the future, I might update it and add some more.
There are a lot of bad ideas that dominate the world we live in today, most of which are uncritically accepted as the norm and fully embraced by society.
As a millennial myself, I’ve noticed my peers seem to accept most of these as conventional wisdom. Hook, line, and sinker.
Here are some ideas I was propagandized with that I hope my children will never have to “unlearn.”
1. Violence is normal.
Presidential candidates today are fighting over who can kill better by using drones or boots on the ground. By constantly threatening the use of violence against other countries, statists have conditioned the population into thinking that killing tens of thousands of people is normal behavior, instead of the immoral, dangerous provocation it is. Rather than being charged with murder, politicians and others that help support this behavior are often paid $250,000 or more a speech after they leave office, and referred to as Mr. President or former Chairman of the Federal Reserve.
Video games, movies, television shows, and even toys all have a common theme: death and destruction. For example, there’s nothing like teaching your child about policing in 2015 America via these Playmobil toys:
This isn’t normal; this is psychotic. And the sociopaths that rule over us are murdering and imprisoning people every day because “we the people” are not only allowing it, but often times, cheering it on.
Outside of self-defense, respecting other peoples’ property should become the new norm.
2. Political parties govern differently.
As a former Republican, I used to hate the Democrats. Now I see these two parties as just two wings on the same beast.
It’s true that they run with different themes and talking points, but in the end, they govern the same. They share the top donors, vote yes on the same wars, and never roll back a single thing the other does once in power.
Bush picked Bernanke to run the Fed, and Obama re-nominated him. Republicans like Nixon ran on an anti-war platform during the Vietnam era, until Reagan/Bush took over in the 80’s. Then the Democrats were anti-war in the 2000s, until Obama took over in 2008. Clinton, Bush, Obama… looking back at the last 25 years, I don’t see how anything has changed in the U.S. with regard to foreign policy, spending, or lying about U.S. economic data.
The oligarchs have us all fooled. Political parties are nothing more than spectator sport for a dumbed down public.
3. Patriotism is a virtue.
Why? It was an accident that I was born here. Am I grateful to be living in the U.S., surrounded by family and friends? Yes. All the same, I owe the U.S. government nothing. I am a sovereign man, and shouldn’t have to subscribe to any group or nation just because I happened to be born in a part of the world called North America.
I love everyone in this world, and I am not going to express loyalty for a specific region like a sports fan who loves his team only because it’s in the same city he resides in.
Governments are dangerous, and the U.S. is the most dangerous one at the moment. My love for the U.S. is no more than my love for the Bahamas or Europe.
4. Illegal aliens are evil criminals who desire to collect welfare from taxpayers.
For a long time, I couldn’t stand these people. Nevertheless, if I wasn’t randomly born in Los Angeles and was instead born just 144 miles south, in Tijuana, I would be doing the exact same thing the illegal aliens are doing. I would be attempting to better my life and my children’s lives by migrating north. Humans moving to different regions is a natural event; the only unnatural thing is the imaginary lines we call borders.
As far as the welfare, that’s a symptom of the disease we call government. It’s like me taking a tax deduction. While I don’t support the income tax, I’m not stupid, and I’m going to do everything I can to game the system and benefit myself.
5. Taxes are justified at gunpoint.
Taxes with the threat of jail or violence is wrong. I’m sorry, but I don’t owe you or anybody else a portion of the fruits of my labor – especially not under the threat of violence.
6. War is good for the economy.
I was told at a very young age, and even in high school, that war helped the economy boom. When you think about it, it makes no sense. Using production lines to create products that blow up into nothing is a tremendous waste of resources. Looking back, after WWII the U.S. cut spending by 50% and reduced the military from 12 million to 1.5 million. The evidence from the late 40’s and 50’s is that the economy boomed when we had less war.
7. Terrorists hate our freedom and culture.
Are there extremists? Absolutely. But the fact is the U.S. has troops in so many countries (see: The Golden Age of Black Ops – In Fiscal 2015 U.S. Special Forces Have Already Deployed to 105 Nations), and has a horrible track record of toppling democratically elected governments, supporting sociopaths, and arming rebels who later become “terrorists.” It’s no wonder than these policies occasionally come home to roost.
For one second, imagine that a nation bombed your neighbor and killed your son. What would your reaction be? These are the situations thousands across the world face on a consistent basis.
What if Iran had troops in Mexico and Canada, ships off our coasts, and drones over our air space? Would we want a nuclear bomb for defense?
George Washington was a terrorist in the eyes of Great Britain. If you want to know who’s dishing out much of the tyranny and chaos in the Middle East, as an American, you don’t have to look far from home.
8. The U.S. has a free market economy.
This is seriously stupid, but college professors and politicians repeat this mantra every day. In reality, the economy is so centrally planned that if the Fed alters one sentence in their statement, the Dow Jones could rally or fall by 200 points in an hour.
Here’s another fact. Nearly 50% of America’s EBT program in Oklahoma went straight to the coffers of one company: Walmart.
Meanwhile, regulations in some industries have forced business to have an entire division dedicated just to compliance. Even worse, many of these regulations are pushed by the larger corporations in order to drown out the competition with bureaucracy they can’t possibly afford.
There is no free market in the U.S. – only crony capitalism, manipulation, and a centrally planned system manned by busybodies.
9. U.S. troops are dying for my freedom.
This is a tough one, because you want to naturally love and respect anyone who does something for you, especially if it’s to protect you from harm. The only reason I even bring this up is because many of the troops are honest, decent young men looking to serve their country or be a part of something greater than themselves. Nevertheless, these men and women are merely being used and abused in a Game of Thrones-esque battle for global wealth and power. They are often just collateral damage for large corporations looking to expand their businesses into territories and countries that, without U.S. military intervention, would likely be thrown out by the locals.
I genuinely think the troops are willing to die for my freedom, but the corrupt American Empire poses a much greater threat to my freedom than any outside enemy we are constantly taught to fear.
10. My vote matters.
Remember in 2006 when the Democrats were going to get our fiscal house in order? Or was that in 2010, when the Republicans were going to do the same? I don’t know, but your vote doesn’t matter. The populace is easily manipulated and/or asleep when it comes to matters of importance, so why bother.
The vote counters and the media have already decided who’s acceptable and, of course, at the end of those strings are the oligarchs who run the world. See my post from last year: Election 2014 – Why I Opt Out of Voting.
Edward Snowden sacrificed his freedom to alert voters of high crimes in the U.S government, and many Americans have no idea who he is. Meanwhile, most politicians want to try him for treason.
ya I agree most things seem completely insane
Excellent!!! +1000!!! And you figured it all out at a much younger age than I did, although to be fair I didn’t have the internet in my youth. I hope there are many more Millennials like you, then there is still hope for this country.
To quote the article: “4. Illegal aliens are evil criminals who desire to collect welfare from taxpayers”.
“if I wasn’t randomly born in Los Angeles and was instead born just 144 miles south, in Tijuana, I would be doing the exact same thing the illegal aliens are doing. ”
OK – the author admits he’s a nigger too.
Theft is theft. Stealing our infrastructure, making US taxpayers pay for educating children of illegals, bilingual court system, social workers, SNAP for their children, emergency room visits, on and on – it’s all theft. Plus it’s theft of our White identify.
These fucking illegals are just self centered, selfish, scum. They should stay in Mexico, and fix-up their own country.
Thanks dutch. You said it more bluntly than I was going to
Do tell us, Doucheman and Mr. fcker, what exactly you would be doing if you had happened to be born in Mexico? Isn’t focusing on the immigrants who, aside from the act of crossing the imaginary border, are mostly lawfully benefitting from the system that we set up, rather than focusing on the gooberment thugs who rob you and make it possible, kind of missing the target? And why should I be more eager to pay for the welfare of those who happened to be born on this side of the imaginary border?
Anarcho: “what exactly you would be doing if you had happened to be born in Mexico?”
What fucking twisted logic. It’s a legal border. Maybe I can come live in your home – you just have imaginary ownership.
Maybe all the people in China, India, North Korea, where-ever should come here too. They are all just imaginary borders.
Oh yes, those taxes we pay for welfare – they are just imaginary laws. AAMOF all laws are imaginary – except natural laws – like gravity. Except the law abiding citizens are the ones who have the most to lose if they don’t pay their taxes.
“And why should I be more eager to pay for the welfare of those who happened to be born on this side of the imaginary border?”
I never said you should – you introduced this non-sequitur.
Dutch, you seem to value logic, please ponder the following logical distinctions:
How is a home different from a country? Hint: it’s possible to own a home, it’s not possible to own a country.
Are all laws equally imaginary? Hint: some laws prohibit actual acts of aggression (“malum in se”), other laws prohibit things that displease the lawmaking class (“malum prohibitum”). I would say, no victim, no crime.
Should people from China, Korea, wherever come here too? Well, until such people are convicted of an actual crime, I would say they’re entitled to the presumption of innocence, just like you and me.
It was you that implicitly introduced a distinction between immigrants collecting welfare and natives collecting welfare. Are the immigrants making you pay for their SNAP cards, kids’ education, emergency room visits, and so on? No. They stand in lines, they fill out forms, at bureaucracies where the “workers” are prohibited from asking about their “immigration status”. The immigrants are not the ones committing the aggression. It would be no better if the government thieves just handed out loot on the street corners instead of giving it only to the people who formally ask.
Who ever voted me down on my comments about those thieving, lazy, ass wipe, cockroach, beaners, can suck my large white schwantz.
Know why blacks and Mexicans don’t intermarry? The offspring would be too lazy to steal!
Got no heartburn with Points 1 or 2.
3. Patriotism is a virtue.
Why? It was an accident that I was born here. Am I grateful to be living in the U.S., surrounded by family and friends? Yes. All the same, I owe the U.S. government nothing.
No, you don’t. Fair enough. But you do owe the dead. You know – those multiples of thousands of dead white guys who fought, bled and died so that this Republic could exist? You owe them your thanks. Otherwise, you’re pissing on their memories like a fucking ingrate.
I am a sovereign man, and shouldn’t have to subscribe to any group or nation just because I happened to be born in a part of the world called North America.
My allegiance is to the tenets of the Old Republic – the way the US existed prior to Mr. Lincoln’s War and people cleaved to the ideals of the Framers. That being: …that Providence has been pleased to give us this one connected country to one united people -a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by they their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.”
This is not what we are now. Now we are a Tower of Babel. Corrupted. Overrun with barbarians and filth of the worst kind. Our children are brainwashed. Our currency worthless. Worst of all is that it is being done by design…
I love everyone in this world
Yeah, well I don’t.
..and I am not going to express loyalty for a specific region like a sports fan who loves his team only because it’s in the same city he resides in.
Then fuck you and the sanctimonious horse you rode in on. When shit blows up and the worst happens, you’re probably going to run into some folks who are very loyal to their specific country/tribe/whatever… and you, as a “not”, will be treated accordingly.
Governments are dangerous, and the U.S. is the most dangerous one at the moment. My love for the U.S. is no more than my love for the Bahamas or Europe.
Which is to say, not at all.
My love is for what the US used to be… the potential it had, spoiled and corrupted by evil men. Not what it is right now. I cling to the faint hope that after whatever disaster befalls us, we can set things right. That will take an ocean of Heroes blood, but if we are to set things right, it must be done. I don’t expect to see you there.
Then there’s this bilge…
4. Illegal aliens are evil criminals who desire to collect welfare from taxpayers.
For a long time, I couldn’t stand these people. Nevertheless, if I wasn’t randomly born in Los Angeles and was instead born just 144 miles south, in Tijuana, I would be doing the exact same thing the illegal aliens are doing.
Which makes you a shitbag on equal terms with the invaders.
I would be attempting to better my life and my children’s lives by migrating north.
Howabout bettering your lives right where you fucking ARE? Why do you need to come HERE to “better” your lives?
And you really believe that we’re getting moral, skilled, literate, upright pillars of the community? How fucking naive can you be? El Presidente of Mehico is doing the same thing Castro did – he’s using this as a golden opportunity to jettison every lowbrow, illiterate, sick, trouble-making, criminal, psychotic, gang banging, drug running, violent creep he can… the more of these head to El Norte, the less he has to worry about. They’re not his problem anymore, and he doesn’t have to pay for them. Nor will they be around to agitate and create problems, so there’s that.
Unlimited Free Shit would certainly benefit the average Julio and Maria. Why should they try to better their own lives in their own countries when Julio can knock up Maria and then wait till the last trimester? Float her fat ass across the Rio on an inner tube, head for the nearest safe house and wait till she goes into labor… squeeze out an anchor baby and you’re “entitled” to a lifetime of free shit…
God damn whoever set this up this way… and allowed them to cross the border in the first place… we now have over 30 MILLION of these fucking parasites in our country. That is ONE QUARTER the population of Mexico.
When is enough enough?
Humans moving to different regions is a natural event; the only unnatural thing is the imaginary lines we call borders.
If our borders don’t exist, then our country can hardly be said to exist. Tell you what, why don’t you hike across the border heading into Mexico with a garbage bag full of your shit and your family in tow… see how they treat you.
As far as the welfare, that’s a symptom of the disease we call government. It’s like me taking a tax deduction. While I don’t support the income tax, I’m not stupid, and I’m going to do everything I can to game the system and benefit myself.
You’re an idiot. Welfare is like a tax deduction? This has to be one of the most moronic things I have ever heard… and “gaming the system” makes you a fucking parasite. I hope you enjoy other people’s money, you fuck.
6. War is good for the economy.
I was told at a very young age, and even in high school, that war helped the economy boom.
In point of fact, it does. Not my fault though, and I don’t support eternal war to drive our economy. Speaking as someone whose been there and done that – more than you can say.
When you think about it, it makes no sense. Using production lines to create products that blow up into nothing is a tremendous waste of resources.
They don’t “blow up into nothing” you idiot. Because fucking Physics? Ever hear of it? No? It’s called The Law of the Conservation of Mass. Common Core strikes again.
Here, if your 8 second attention span can handle it…
The law implies that mass can neither be created nor destroyed, although it may be rearranged in space, or the entities associated with it may be changed in form, as for example when light or physical work is transformed into particles that contribute the same mass to the system as the light or work had contributed. The law implies (requires) that during any chemical reaction, nuclear reaction, or radioactive decay in an isolated system, the total mass of the reactants or starting materials must be equal to the mass of the products.
Real world examples?
If you bothered to read anything about other cultures around the world, you’d know that places we have fought – like Vietnam – there is a booming industry recovering the materials of war we left behind – to include the stuff that “blew up into nothing”… we built our weapons out of alloys the Vietnamese had never even envisioned, and they are quite valuable. Tanks and other vehicles are sold for scrap to the Japs, who turn around and make cars out of them, then sell us the cars…
Looking back, after WWII the U.S. cut spending by 50% and reduced the military from 12 million to 1.5 million. The evidence from the late 40’s and 50’s is that the economy boomed when we had less war.
Ever hear of the Korean War? Oh wait, you said “less” war, so I guess that makes your point okay… nevermind that all the soldiers who fought in WWII coming home had nothing to do with the economic boom?
So there’s that.
The rest of this asshole’s post, I got a little heartburn with, but not enough to matter. Close enough on the remaining points.
He’s on the right track, but still has a long way to go… hope he realizes his mistakes and squares himself away before it’s too late…
@Anachro: Look, I know our government is fucked up. Yeah, the gubmint is the one handing out the $$.
However, if the Mexicans respected our laws (I mean you don’t do breaking Mexican laws – do you?), and part of respect is realizing that we have worked hard to build the infrastructure of our country. To be ‘invaded’ by 20% of their country IS a crime.
I’m sorry things are not to their liking in Mexico. But their country will never be better unless they work to make it so. They are really bailing on their own countrymen.
This is why I say they are self centered – they don’t care about Mexico, and they don’t care about the US. They are users.
They also don’t care about drivers licenses, car insurance, paying taxes (working for cash).
These people have very bad character – and then they march and demand citizenship. No different than a squatter.
@Anarcho: you seem to believe in freedom of movement. Great. Mexico is about a million times harsher with illegal immigrants than the US is. You need to go do “whatever it takes” to get Mexico to lighten up. Go there immediately and send us regular reports.
The immigrants are not the ones committing the aggression.
They committed an act of aggression when they disregarded our laws and broke into the country under cover of night.
One of them sneaking into our country is a criminal, and should be ejected.
30+ million sneaking into our country is an invasion. When enough invaders accumulate in a host country, they will ethnically cleanse their area of “others” and then either vote their own interests, or secede – effectively stealing land from the host country.
At which point, the host country has two options –
1) March on the parasites and take back the land by force and kill, eject or co-opt the parasites or
2) Let them have their stolen land.
It has always been this way. I didn’t write the rules, but there they are. The rest of your post is undermined by this one fact – that those who break into a country under cover of night without formal permission are, by definition, criminals. Multiply them by millions, and it’s an invasion. Which means blood will be spilled (currently is being spilled) before all is said and done.
Try to logic your way out of that.
@anachro: “Hint: it’s possible to own a home, it’s not possible to own a country.”
Yeah? Tell that to Russia, North Korea, China, France, Germany.
He doesn’t look like a nigger to me.
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Funny thing going on here in this thread …… if YOU were a poor Mexican YOU would probably try to come to America also. YOU are just lucky to have been born here.
Now do NOT misunderstand me!! I am NOT in favor of illegal immigration. I am simply reiterating the author’s valid point; YOU, ME, WE all would be doing the same thing. Don’t even try to deny it.
Innocent until proven guilty
That’s what I was taught early on in school. Well anyone that still believes that now is clearly not paying attention. Today you damn well better CYA and be able to prove your innocence or you could be in for a lot of pain.
“How about bettering your lives right where you fucking ARE? Why do you need to come HERE to “better” your lives? ” ———— Billy
Are you from HERE, Billy? A Native American? Of course, not. So, somewhere down the line in your ancestral tree someone decided to better their lives HERE ….. NOT where they were.
Your wife is not from HERE either, is she?
Now that YOU and yours are here, I suppose you want to close the borders forever? I dunno, but it sounds like it.
” … that those who break into a country … without formal permission are, by definition, criminals.” —Billy
That would make the Pilgrims, and everyone thereafter a criminal. Right?
Here on TBP, only Llpoh has the right to be here …….. AND THAT FUCKER LEFT!!!!
@Stuckey: “Are you from HERE, Billy? A Native American? Of course, not. So, somewhere down the line in your ancestral tree someone decided to better their lives HERE ….. NOT where they were.
That would make the Pilgrims, and everyone thereafter a criminal. Right?”
You are trying to do ‘revisionist history’ – Things are quite a bit different since 1620 – almost 500 years ago. The general discovery of the western hemisphere and population of it was an evolutionary, anthropological event.
As the centuries have gone by, all governments have gotten more organized, and have declared their territories sovereign nations.
It’s not 1620 anymore. There wasn’t any internet, or antibiotics, or modern medicine, one could go on and on. So stop trying to make comparisons between now and 500 years ago.
Billy, war is good for the economy? “places we have fought – like Vietnam – there is a booming industry recovering the materials of war we left behind” and that benefits our economy how exactly? Wouldn’t it have been, I dunno, more efficient, to not drop the bombs on Vietnam and wait for the blown-up shit to come back here, instead we could have just used the materials here in the first place to build something useful. Is that the best argument you got?
Okay Stucky, you wanna dance? Let’s dance…
Now do NOT misunderstand me!! I am NOT in favor of illegal immigration. I am simply reiterating the author’s valid point; YOU, ME, WE all would be doing the same thing. Don’t even try to deny it
Knowing what you know about me – given the same attitudes I have right now – even if I were born somewhere else, you think I would jump ship and break into someone else’s country for unlimited free shit, or would I make a stand?
Just because you think YOU would infiltrate someone else’s country, flout their laws, play the system to get them to pay me free shit, doesn’t mean I would… that’s called “projection”… goes hand in hand with stuff like “denial” and “reaction formation”… ask the missus about them.
Are you from HERE, Billy? A Native American? Of course, not.
Dude, do NOT even get me started on the whole “Native American’s were here first” bullshit argument.
First, whomever was here first – and I do not believe the Mongolians that crossed the Bering Sea Land Bridge were first – that is not fucking germane to the argument, and you know it.
Second, from the time of Virginia Dare to the closing of the Frontier – a period of almost exactly 300 years – European whites and Indians were locked in a no-holds-barred, smash mouth race war to the finish. Winner take all. They lost. We won. The continent was ours by right of conquest. I’m not saying it was ethical or moral or right… I’m saying it fucking happened. Your “nobody is an authentic American except “Native Americans” argument is bullshit… and you know it.
So, somewhere down the line in your ancestral tree someone decided to better their lives HERE ….. NOT where they were.
Yep. Completely true. They came over on a boat in 1905 and asked permission. They followed the fucking LAW. They didn’t fucking sneak over on an inner tube and shit out some larvae on the taxpayer’s dime.
They were also highly skilled and extremely well educated. Also, people of some means and had a great deal to offer. My Gr. Grandfather was a recognized Master at his craft, and his father used to be Chancellor of Karlsruhe before the German Unification. They could CONTRIBUTE to the country and make it better.
Your wife is not from HERE either, is she?
Correct. She’s not. But, we followed the fucking LAW. Recognizing a pattern, Stucky?
Now that YOU and yours are here, I suppose you want to close the borders forever?
You of all people know for a fact that there were moratoriums on immigration several times throughout the history of the US. To give those who arrived LEGALLY time to assimilate before we agreed to take on any more people… and the overwhelming majority of those we DID accept were European Whites of some flavor of Christianity. Either Eastern Europe or Western Europe.
I am FOR protecting our national borders. With a big fucking wall. And with the military, if needs be. Because, Stucky, we have been invaded. Those invaders have no interest in assimilating. They only care about sucking up as much as they can and – and you know this to be true – once they get enough guys and guns in one spot, it will spell War. And I don’t want a fuckin’ War…
Is this really that hard to understand?
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I would dearly love to see every single infiltrator ejected – forcefully, if necessary – from this country. Build a big fucking wall and man it with active duty troops from the Baja to Brownsville. No more anchor baby bullshit. Repeal the 1965 Immigration Act in totality. A moratorium on immigration until further notice. No more H1B visa bullshit. You have an H1B? Then you gots ta go. So solly. Instead of the alphabet agencies focusing on Americans, howsabout they do their fucking JOBS and track down the goddamned infiltrators?
Dutch, who are the government? Is it all of the inhabitants of the country, or only some of them? If you and me, both natural born “citizens” of this United State, disagree on whether Julio should be “allowed” to come here and accept a job at the business I own, do some of the “citizens” get to impose their opinion by force on other “citizens”? I call that aggression.
Oh mah gawd Sticky. Why’d yew have ter open the floodgates and git Billy dipshit up on his high horse? He hates brown people. Git over it. The fact that Billy Jr is bung holed on a regular basis by his handsome afro centric boyfriend just eats Billy up. It’s all about iq and pigmentation, and since yer and 8 foot tall norwegian aryan german with a moderately sized dick, well, we’d like ter invite yer into our bed. Whatcha say?
Billy, war is good for the economy? “places we have fought – like Vietnam – there is a booming industry recovering the materials of war we left behind” and that benefits our economy how exactly? Wouldn’t it have been, I dunno, more efficient, to not drop the bombs on Vietnam and wait for the blown-up shit to come back here, instead we could have just used the materials here in the first place to build something useful. Is that the best argument you got? AP
Heh… you knowingly misstate my refuting the OP’s comment about “blowing up into nothing”, then try to use that to get traction on something unrelated.
You really that dishonest? Or are you that fucking stupid?
You know damn well what those remarks went to – the Vietnamese going around and collecting up the bits of ordinance and other flotsam and jetsam of war in order to make a profit off of the exotic alloys has fucking nothing to do with the US economy.
You know it and you know that wasn’t the point I was making… so stop it with misquoting me and then trying to beat me up with the misquote. That shit might work over on HuffPo or wherever you hang out normally, but it won’t fucking fly here…
What you say is my “argument” is complete bullshit and also a complete fabrication. Like some guy in the board room of GM in 1967 was hoping the tanks they were building would eventually be abandoned, recovered by the dinks, sold to the Japs, who would make them into cars bound for the US where they would be sold in direct competition with GM’s products…
That you say my “argument” is the above makes you look like a drooling retard trying to fuck a doorknob… You got anything other than misquotes and making shit up?
Billy, did you honestly think that Dissident Dad was seriously arguing that bombs blow up into literal nothing — no mass? Are you that dipshit stupid? Would it help your feeble intellect to clarify that as “nothing of economic value”? And from your post, it sounds like you’re agreeing that it helped our economy when 10.5 million GIs stopped playing soldier and got jobs doing useful work. Surprise, surprise.
You’re right stucky, he’s not a neegrow. Just a libtard douchebag.
Billy, anarcho pissant exists to make you mad. You’re not really in a debate here, moral relativism and a penchant for lobbing in big unanswerable questions expose him as a mildly skilled troll, nothing more. He talks about hiring, sorry, busboys don’t hire anybody
@Billy, you’re arguing law and morality. I learned yesterday that law and morality are really not an interest or concern of some others here. Apparently, might makes right when someone else is doing it, but not when you or I are doing it.
@Dutchman, are you a product of public schools? Just wondering because of your math (common core?) in your statement “Things are quite a bit different since 1620 – almost 500 years ago.” Lessee, 2015 – 1620 = 395. That would be almost 400 years ago. Rounding is fine, but adding a whole century seems beyond the pale.
Billy, did you honestly think that Dissident Dad was seriously arguing that bombs blow up into literal nothing — no mass?
Changing tactics are we now that I called you out on your bullshit?
To answer your question, why don’t you go ask the OP? He’s the one who made the original dumbshit statement, which is all I have to go by. If you have a problem with is original dumbshit statement, go confront him about it. I’m not responsible for other people’s fucking stupid comments.
Are you that dipshit stupid?
Namecalling because you got outed for your dishonest tactics? Tsk, tsk… how childish. You need to up your game. HuffPo might be happy with you, but around here you’re a pretty piss-poor troll…
Would it help your feeble intellect to clarify that as “nothing of economic value”?
Go tell the dinks that the stuff we left behind has “no economic value”, being as they sell what they find and dig up and use the proceeds to feed their families. And that’s just the small stuff. The government digs up all the big stuff we buried and sells it to the Japs… it’s all well documented in a book I’m certain you haven’t read, called “Aftermath. The Remnants of War”. The chapter dealing with the subject we’re talking about is called “Torn Leaf”.
And from your post, it sounds like you’re agreeing that it helped our economy when 10.5 million GIs stopped playing soldier and got jobs doing useful work. Surprise, surprise.
Only someone with zero respect for serving the Republic and never wore a uniform in their life would be so flippant and call what they did “playing soldier”. Go into an VFW hall and tell those old guys in there.. the ones with the limbs missing and twisted scars – that what they did was ‘playing soldier’… if you get out alive, I’d be interested in hearing about it.
And those 10.5 million soldiers were being supplied by industries going full blast over here, cranking out those very supplies. War stimulates the economy. I didn’t make the rules, but there they are.
When those 10 million guys came home, they all had to do something and, since the US was the only country involved in the war to come out unscathed, it was a simple matter to convert the industries that formerly made bombs and tanks to making shit people needed elsewhere in the world. Those folks elsewhere in the world lived in countries with destroyed industrial bases, ravaged by war. Their countries were literally unable to make the shit their own people needed. So, that left us..
How do you not know this? I mean, I know Common Core is piss-weak, but not even a clueless douche canoe like you should be oblivious to the postwar boom and why it happened… the war itself created the postwar boom, you fuckstick…
All in all, a piss-poor try on your part… I give you a D minus…
“The general discovery of the western hemisphere and population of it was an evolutionary, anthropological event.” ———– Dutchman
Not to the people who already lived here!
It’s pure nonsense, imho, to not be allowed to compare similar scenarios just because they are separated by many years. What difference does it make that there was no internet in the 1600s??
Comparisons are made ALL the time between the USA!USA!USA! and the Roman Empire. Are you against that also?
” … you think I would jump ship and break into someone else’s country for unlimited free shit, or would I make a stand?” ——— Billy
You would make a stand. A valiant stand … for as long as you could. But, IF THAT DIDN’T WORK … why, YES, you would take your family elsewhere. I do know who you are … family first, come hell or high water.
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“Yep. Completely true. They came over on a boat in 1905 and asked permission.” —– Billy
Mine came over in 1957, also with permission. I didn’t DIRECTLY accuse you of anything. Why are you so goddamned aggressive ALL THE TIME when someone even slightly disagrees with you? Anyway, I SPECIFICALLY said the Pilgrims. Did they get permission to enter the country? That was my only point.
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“Now that YOU and yours are here, I suppose you want to close the borders forever?” —- me
OK, that snarky comment by me was uncalled for. I am also 100% for protecting our borders against illegal immigrant, by just about any means necessary. NO country has EVER survived an unrestricted immigration policy. Neither will we, unless we change very soon.
I am not yet in favor of a total ban. Highly skilled or very smart people … scientists, medical researchers, engineers …. I would like to think we always have room for people like that.
Why are you so goddamned aggressive ALL THE TIME when someone even slightly disagrees with you?
Apparently I mistook you playing Devil’s Advocate for you giving your support to the 30+ million infiltrators that have invaded us… a case of friendly fire.
But your tone wasn’t exactly neutral… could even be construed as accusatory. Still, this is The Burning Platform… where would we be without rants and shit-flinging? We have a reputation to uphold…
In the future, I will give special dispensation and consider the possibility that the writer – not specifically you – isn’t being a douche nozzle on purpose and thus deserving of wrath…
You would make a stand. A valiant stand … for as long as you could. But, IF THAT DIDN’T WORK … why, YES, you would take your family elsewhere. I do know who you are … family first, come hell or high water.
Pretty close. I’ll let you in on something. Maybe I mentioned it already… I dunno…
When things get shitty here in the Land of the Free (shyeah), my wife and son are on a plane out of here. Destination: Germany and the EU. My boy is a dual-national and my wife is permitted to live in Germany since she is his mother. They can literally go and live and work anywhere within the EU. He is to finish his schooling and then both of them are to make their way to a certain EU country that – I think – will be the safest place possible.
That’s the “family comes first” bit…
But me? I will not be moved. And all that that implies. We might have one foot in Europe, the other here in the US, but I was born and raised a Southron. This little farm might just be a patch of dirt, but it’s my patch of dirt. I’ll see it burned to the ground and sown with salt before I have to abandon it. What happens to me after that is in the hands of the Almighty… but I won’t run.
And I especially won’t try to break into anyone else’s country under cover of night, then steal someone else’s identity or obtain forged documents. It’s not in my DNA to do that.
My family already knows the above. They’re not happy with it – especially my son. But his mission is not to make a stand and risk sacrificing himself. That’s my job. His job is to ensure our bloodline. He is the last of us. Firstborn son of a firstborn son, going back a very, very long way… he is more precious than he realizes, and his is the more important mission of the two.
NO country has EVER survived an unrestricted immigration policy. Neither will we, unless we change very soon.
My friend, sadly, we passed that Rubicon a long time ago.
It’s not that there are too many to round up and send back to wherever they came from. We simply do not have the political will to do so anymore. Individuals here and there might possess the will to do so, but not the government. They are corrupted to their souls. They know what it means to let those invaders stay here in their millions… and still, they do nothing.
I will dare to say the “W” word… War is coming, friend Stucky… it will take more than courage to face what’s coming. I seriously doubt I will personally survive it.
But that’s okay. I’m okay with that. Because my enemies might hate me, but they will write of me with grudging respect. Just remember your Macaulay:
“To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods.”
@Billy:
OP said: “Using production lines to create products that blow up into nothing is a tremendous waste of resources.”
You said: “They don’t ‘blow up into nothing’ you idiot. Because fucking Physics? Ever hear of it? No? It’s called The Law of the Conservation of Mass.”
So you willfully misconstrue a straightforward sentence, then call me dishonest for pointing it out. Smooth move. Either that, or as I’ve seen Stucky say, reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit.
Then you say: “Go tell the dinks that the stuff we left behind has ‘no economic value’”. Okay, point to you: scrap metal has economic value to a Vietnamese peasant, but still and all, I think the Vietnam War was an awful expensive way to produce a few million tons of scrap metal.
Re the vets at VFW: they have my sympathy, but that doesn’t change my opinion that they weren’t “serving the Republic”, they were basically duped, and even “the Good War” wasn’t necessary. It gives me no pleasure to say it, as my father was also VFW (Korea), but they fought and died in vain and for a lie.
“And those 10.5 million soldiers were being supplied by industries going full blast over here, cranking out those very supplies.” Yes, the industries over here were going full blast, cranking out stuff that no one would have bought and paid for voluntarily. Have you ever really wanted to own your own Liberty Ship or 105 mm howitzer, I mean, wanted it enough to pay for it with your own money? You probably also think of all the stuff the government spends money on, and forces us to spend money on, are additions to the GDP.
“it was a simple matter to convert the industries that formerly made bombs and tanks to making shit people needed”, well not exactly simple, the retooling to produce consumer goods, plus the initial retooling to make war materials, plus all the time they were making war materials, was pure economic waste. The question on the table is, is war good for the economy, and I mean that in the sense of satisfying actual human wants? You still haven’t made the case.
“What happens to me after that is in the hands of the Almighty… but I won’t run.” —- Billy
I do believe you, totally. You’re the kind of man that fought at the Battle of New Orleans … outgunned, outnumbered ……. “fuck you! come and get me motherfuckers!! BAM!! KABOOM!!”, another dead redcoat.
The country needs millions like you. Truly.
These discussion are always very entertaining. I can understand and see both sides of the issue. On one hand, I agree that every country needs a functioning immigration policy that is ENFORCED. On the other hand, it bothers me to hear people make general statements about immigrants. Many of these statements are quite harsh. Especially when in many discussions many commenters seem to be able to connect dots.
What do I mean? How many of us regarding our views or opinions do NOT benefit from the economic prosperity brought about by dubious central banking practices? The reserve status of the dollar? The wars overseas/ war on terror? High tech, STEM weapon manufacturing and selling? The war on drugs? Slave labor by our corps so we can have a higher standard of life? Don’t these cause great suffering to millions, perhaps hundreds of millions in other, distant places?
Haven’t we seen what happens when THE GOVERNMENT provides free shit to ANYONE, immigrant or not? Like in housing, banking, welfare, medicine and countless other subsidies? Surely all those who take the easy money aren’t all immigrants. Because the problem is human nature
So why then, if we connect some dots, do we look down on these people? I guess we all just like to consider those things that are palatable or convenient…human nature.
I’m going to ignore your first paragraph. It has nothing worth replying to and I grow weary with your quibbling and dishonest tactics.
The question on the table is, is war good for the economy, and I mean that in the sense of satisfying actual human wants? You still haven’t made the case.
The question on the table is: Is war good for an economy? The qualifier you stuck on the end – “and I mean that in the sense of satisfying actual human wants” – was never part of the original conversation and has nothing to do with anything.
I haven’t made the case? You change the original question after getting your ass handed to you, then tell me I haven’t “made the case” after the fact…
You’re a real piece of work.
Re the vets at VFW: they have my sympathy, but that doesn’t change my opinion that they weren’t “serving the Republic”, they were basically duped, and even “the Good War” wasn’t necessary. It gives me no pleasure to say it, as my father was also VFW (Korea), but they fought and died in vain and for a lie.
Guy who never spent 5 minutes in uniform trying to tell me what “serving the Republic” means.
Serving the Republic means you sacrifice your own wants and needs in place of that of the Republic – wherever they tell you to go, you go. You do what you are told to do. You serve. The Germans have a saying: “Dienst ist dienst” Duty is duty. Every once in a rare while, you get to do what you want to do. The rest of the time, you do what you have to. You do it for the duration and hope those making the decisions are making good ones.
The possibility that those making the decisions are making the wrong ones, for the wrong reasons does not negate the fact that one is in service to the Republic and it’s people. I served. My father served (Korea). His father served. And on and on back to at least the Franco Prussian War where my ancestor was an Officer of Infantry with the 3rd Infanterie Regiment out of Raastadt, under Major General Keller. You enlist or are commissioned, then you do your job. That’s what it means to serve. You don’t sit and argue the merits of going vs not going or the morality involved with it, or even if it’s worth the time and effort.
That something so obvious to me is lost on you is explained by the fact that you never have served… you attach all sorts of things to it after the fact – easy to do from an armchair and at a distance of 50+ years – but rarely is war “good” or even justified. And we know this. But, we go anyway because we swore an oath. Dienst ist dienst.
Investing in retooling a factory to make alarm clocks or flatware or dishes or radios was an economic waste?
We were literally the only game in town making these things, and were going to be the only game in town for at least 10 years while war ravaged countries rebuilt their own factories. Literally, the entire world was our market with almost no competition… we had a worldwide monopoly on damn near everything people needed… guaranteed for at least a decade.
And this was, according to you, a waste…
I’m done with this conversation…
Stuck – I am very happy to have gotten the fuck out, as you so eloquently put it. Happier every day, as a matter of fact.
Billy is full of poo if he thinks he can transpose who he is now to who he would have been in Mexico. Billy seems to be from a lower middle class background with slightly above average intelligence.
Lower middle class Mexicans are dirt poor. So most likely he would have been dirt poor, and poorly educated, if he came from the same relative strata.
His options would have been 1) be fodder for the corrupt ruling classes, or 2) join the lower level minions of the ruling class (ie be a cop or low level govt drone), or 3) be a criminal.
If #1 was his lot, then he would certainly have been open to the idea of beating feet to the US. No doubt about it.
Of course, I now expect Billy to go batshit crazy.
By the way, the author is most wrong re #1. Violence is absolutely the normal human condition. Very few folks can truly rise above that natural proclivity.
OK, so Billy can’t explain in what way producing things that are designed to reduce themselves and other things to scrap metal is good for the economy, so he’s done with the conversation. I consider that a victory. Just so I’m not misunderstood by others, the retooling to produce consumer goods was a waste because it wouldn’t have been necessary absent the initial retooling to produce war materials. Simple enough?
And yeah, we can’t expect soldiers to think about the morality of their actions after they sign up. The soldiers of the Wehrmacht were just doing their duty too…
Of course, I now expect Billy to go batshit crazy.
Sorry I won’t live up to your expectations, but I’m going to sit here, finish my bowl of Alpha-Bits and ponder the hypocrisy of your statements.
You saying the above is like me saying if someone were born on a Res, they would only amount to a glue-huffing alcoholic drain on society… and you and I both know that’s BS…
Whatever…
I’m not going to sit and explain military culture to you. You apparently know everything about everything and are such an expert with regards to the mindset of soldiers, no explanation is needed.
I find it mildly funny that you would declare some piddly “victory”, then play the Nazi card…
You really are a little bitch, aren’t you?
Billy says:
Whatever…
I’m not going to sit and explain military culture to you. You apparently know everything about everything and are such an expert with regards to the mindset of soldiers, no explanation is needed.
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One of the things I am most satisfied about my time on this orb is that I was never exposed first-hand to that.
Dutch my finger is getting tired giving you thumbs up.
Zara,
We all follow the paths we must, do our best and be content that we have been as righteous as we can.
Billy – fact is, it is extremely difficult for folks to advance from one socioeconomic class to another. It is very rare to see great leaps.
An American Indian born into poverty has a snowball’s chance in hell of really improving his or her situation. It takes luck, brains, dedication. Something like one in ten thousand do it.
Your relative position would have been poverty in Mexico. Making it to cop or govt drone would have meant beating some serious odds.
No offence, but you lack, or are somewhat lacking, in my opinion and observation, of one critical element needed to make a several level socioeconomic leap from that you were born into. You are not gifted intellectually.
I am not saying you are dumb – far from it. But leapers tend to be very gifted intellectually – think IQs of 140+. It takes that sort of intellect to overcome poverty and leap into serious affluence.
Moving up from poor to lower middle class is one thing. Moving up from poor to say top 1 or 2 per cent is another thing entirely.
Poor people by and large remain poor, with say 10 or 20 per cent moving up one rung.
Moving up a rung from poverty in Mexico means cop, or govt drone. That would be a mighty achievement.
Which is why poor Mexicans flee to the US in droves. Odds of a move up are markedly increased.
Llpoh
If you found yourself in a foxhole, or the equivalent, you would want someone like Billy to share it with you.
Z – that is quite correct.
And Billy would want someone like me in charge of planning.
Llpoh, where does fearlessness come in on your calculation? It takes real moxy to be the poorest guy in the room, all the time. And to move up, that might be for a period of years. I agree with you completely on the smarts bit, but there is more to it. Most people can’t overcome the feeling they don’t belong, and it can hold back even high acheivers
If you come from a paycheck to paycheck family, it is hard to comprehend people who don’t struggle to pay the bills. And almost beyond comprehension are people who’s money snowballs despite what they spend, and without further effort. I think the class envy thing is a real killer of success. The self made have a code, they know what it took to get there. The respect I have always gotten from my betters, far outweighs the sniping from below.
Your relative position would have been poverty in Mexico. Making it to cop or govt drone would have meant beating some serious odds.
I’m glad you think you know what my socioeconomic status was growing up, and are an expert in alternate reality. It must be so awesome to be you.
I haven’t spoken much about what it was like growing up here for a couple reasons – mostly because if I gave out detailed information, it would simply be used against me by some of the more assholish on TBP, and I’m not in the business of helping people attack me.
But fuck it. Briefly, we were solidly middle class. Not “lower” or whatever you think you know. Dad was a Treasury agent and we had a nice brick ranch style house not far from my Gramma’s house. Went to Catholic school for 12 years, and was pushed relentlessly for good grades, which I achieved.
We didn’t have new cars every other year, but we didn’t really want for anything. Dad was sort of a workaholic, so we didn’t see him much, but when he was around, he worked us – me especially – like dogs.
Small town life. High school, football, hanging out at the lake or down by the river. When it came time to be tested to see where I had a shot at going to University, I scored in the 98th percentile. I had my choice of going anywhere.
I chose University of Cincinnati and I majored in Engineering. Dad chose my workload. 22 credit hours. Full time is 12. He made me get an override to do it. I liked the major well enough, but the workload was too much. I burned out in 3 quarters.
Which led to the Army, which I liked even more.
It has nothing to do with what you think you know, Llpoh. My foul language and anger are more a result of pain and betrayal, as well as the obvious military influence. I use them as a cover, because frankly I do not like talking – or even thinking – about the implications of that betrayal. Straight up, it means my efforts, the efforts of my father, his father, and every guy out there, living or dead, who served the Republic was in vain. Worst than futile, we spent the blood of our best and brightest for generations and accomplished exactly nothing.
And now those I consider Enemies of the Republic (if not enemies of all mankind) are in charge of the Government, and have been for some time. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what happens next.
And for someone who pretty much had control of his own destiny suddenly finds himself powerless to do anything about it.
And so I rage against the dying of the light. We were the world’s last, best hope. Or at least had the potential to be. Nothing like us happened in 6000 years of human history. Nothing. We were unique. Those who side with the Enemies of All Mankind – leftists, postmodern progressives, cultural marxists, “social justice warriors”, invaders and infiltrators, their shills, dupes, cronies and apparatchiks are as much responsible for our fall from grace as those in charge are, and so receive the full force of my wrath. I can’t reach them physically, so I hurl as much venom as I can in a futile effort. I don’t post nice, flowery things because they’re a waste of time. Only when my ire is raised, do I post something. And if that is all I post, then that is all you see and you draw the wrong conclusions from it.
You seem to think you know me. You don’t, Llpoh.
No offence, but you lack, or are somewhat lacking, in my opinion and observation, of one critical element needed to make a several level socioeconomic leap from that you were born into. You are not gifted intellectually.
Keep thinking that, Llpoh. You don’t see that which I keep hidden from you, and thus you think I do not possess it.
Which is exactly what I was trying to do. As far as my socioeconomic status is concerned, we’re solidly middle class, and I am content with that. We have our farm, enough to pay the bills without living paycheck to paycheck and have a nice pile stacked up in the bank. A pile that will soon be converted to PM’s. As soon as I can get my shop built, I’m going to hang out a shingle – already cleared it with the county zoning officer. That should pretty much guarantee me and my family an income for the rest of my life, as well as a turnkey operation my son can take over if he chooses (and doesn’t have to flee the country, as mentioned before).
You were born to poverty, and that sucks. You rose above it and achieved. Good for you.
But you’re not the special snowflake you think you are. You are not unique. And you are certainly not qualified to pass judgements on others based on a small fragment of information that you were allowed to see.
That Anon was me.
Billy
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ on your post above.
Personally, I thought the comment — “You are not gifted intellectually.” — was one of the cheapest fuckin’ insults ever hurled here on TBP. Llpoh can be a strange cat, at times. He has this I-am-better-than-you attitude all too often. And I don’t think he even realizes it. He won’t even comment on my 1812 article … probably because of the two “Injun” paragraphs … which I put in there just for him. Well fuck him if he can’t take a joke. lol