I know absolutely zero people who are enthusiastic about a Jeb Bush presidency. There is no grass roots support. The people of this country don’t want a third Bush as their president. But, as you can see from the chart below, what you think does not matter. The deep pocketed billionaires who select our president have chosen Jeb. Cruz and Rubio are fall backs. They don’t want any parts of Rand Paul. He frightens them. They think he might be a trojan horse who will implement his old man’s plans if elected.
Hillary and Jeb will be the nominees. Your vote doesn’t matter. Book it dano.
You will find more statistics at Statista
Jeb Bush = Dynasty Government.
Jeb Bush= Bush Family Criminal Cabal (Act 3 of Nazis in DC)
Hitlery Clinton= Clinton Crime Family (Act 2 of Arkansas Mafia does DC)
Both suck………………..the water is circling the bowl to flush this country for the new order of the world. Don’t bother buying the popcorn.
I still have hope for a Santorum comeback….
Rick the Dick in 2016!
To make this race more amusing, Admin should start keeping a running list of issues upon which “Jeblary” actually disagree.
If this were a horserace, they would be forced to be a coupled entry. The New York State Racing Authority requires horses with common owners to be coupled for betting purposes.
At least this saves me the trouble of giving a shit. The popular vote may be, like, 347-343. They’ll spend about $1 million per vote
Jeb will top out at 15%. No amount of money will change that. He’s headed for a bad day at the debate in two weeks. Beta looks horrible standing next to alpha. Besides, my guy has 100 times the money jeb has raised, and it’s all his.
“The New World” by X (the best thing ever from California)
Honest to goodness, the bars weren’t open this morning
They must have been voting for a new president of something
Do you have a quarter?
I said, “Yes”, because I did, honest to goodness
The tears have been falling all over this country’s face
It was better before, before they voted for ‘What’s his name’
This is suppose to be the new world
It was better before, before they voted for ‘What’s his name’
This is suppose to be the new world
Flint Ford Automobile, Alabama
Windshield Wiper, Buffalo, New York
Gary, Indiana, don’t forget the Motor City
Baltimore and D.C., now all we need is
Don’t forget the Motor City
This was suppose to be the new world
Don’t forget the Motor City
This was suppose to be the new world
All we need is money, just give us what you can spare
Twenty or thirty pounds of potatoes or twenty or thirty beers
A turkey on Thanksgiving like alms for the poor
All we need are the necessities and more
It was better before they voted for ‘What’s his name’
This is suppose to be the new world
It was better before they voted for ‘What’s his name’
This is suppose to be the new world
Don’t forget the Motor City
This was suppose to be the new world
Are Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders Tapping into Rage Against the Machine?
Hey ho, hey ho, the status quo has got to go – especially if you’re a Mexican or really rich.
Nick Gillespie
Glenn Reynolds, the Instapundit, interviewed GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina for USA Today and asked her about the Donald Trump bubble, which may have already popped given the Republican furor over his slagging of John McCain.
Here’s the former HP CEO’s take on why a loudmouth with no political experience is sitting atop current GOP polls:
“People are angry that things as common sense as securing the border and eliminating sanctuary cities are being framed as extreme views. They are tired of empty rhetoric without action, and they are hungry for a leader from outside the professional political class. I think we need a real plan, which is why I have offered a much more specific approach to securing the border, fixing the legal immigration system and addressing illegal immigration.”
That answer reminds me of a new Pizza Hut product: Where will they find new places to stuff more cheese into a fricking pizza? For Fiorina and seemingly all other Republican candidates (including, alas, Rand Paul), you’ve got to figure out how to stuff immigrants, illegals, sanctuary cities, immigrants, uncontrolled borders, sanctuary cities, illegals, and illegals into every possible answer, in as many ways as possible. And would you like to buy a side order of illegals, immigrants, and uncontrolled borders with that?
Gallup has a different view. It periodically asks “people” what they think is the “nation’s most important problem.” Unsurprisingly, a strong plurality—33 percent—say it’s the economy in one form or another. In an open-ended query, respondents in early June (the most recent poll period) suggested things such as “economy in general” and “unemployment/jobs.” A total of 6 percent overall brought up “immigration/illegal aliens” while more than twice that number (14 percent) mentioned “dissatisfaction with government.”
Over at the Pittsburgh Tribune, Salena Zito has a better read on things than Fiorina. She notes the Trump insurgency and matches it with Bernie Sanders’ surprisingly popular run on the Democratic side and argues
Americans are just tired of it all. Tired of no one speaking honestly to them, tired of being told they cannot speak honestly….
Think about this: For two administrations, Democrats, Republicans and independents effectively have been told to hold their tongues. During the Bush administration, you were unpatriotic if you criticized the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; during the Obama administration, you’re a racist if you criticize the president or his policies.
In a span of a few days last week, Americans witnessed Washington’s glaring failure with disbelief.
First, the government admitted that Social Security numbers, fingerprints, passwords and other personal information of more than 22 million federal workers, all used to conduct background screenings, were hacked on the Obama administration’s watch.
Then a whistleblower leaked an internal Department of Veterans Affairs document to the Huffington Post, showing that more than 238,000 of the 847,000 military veterans with pending applications for health care through the VA had already died.
Finally, the FBI admitted that flaws in paperwork and communications between a federal background-check worker and state law enforcement allowed Dylann Roof to buy a handgun in South Carolina, weeks before he allegedly killed black churchgoers.
Fiorina—who does tell Reynolds that “people are tired of the status quo”—cannot or will not speak ill of her own party, which is itself part of the problem that Zito is describing. Unless you are a fully vested member of one of the two dominant political tribes, you’re likely to see the problem being “Washington” or “government” writ large and to see continuity between the failure and b.s. of the Bush and Obama years (who started TARP again, and tried his own failed stimulus, and OK’ed surveillance programs, extended wars, and expanded budget-busting entitlements?).
Candidates such as Trump and Sanders who are willing to attack their own party stand out as truth-tellers no matter how stupid, offensive, or idiotic they and their plans may be (and let’s be honest: Sanders’ economics are as dumb as the Donald’s views toward Mexicans are malformed).
Of course, it could be that Zito is giving likely Republican primary voters who are warming to Trump too much credit. A July 13-15 Fox News poll taken of likely GOP primary voters had Trump winning 18 percent of the vote, with Scott Walker in second place with 15 percent and Jeb Bush in third with 14 percent. When it came to questions about the benefits of legal and illegal immigration, Republicans were less than half as likely as Democrats to have positive thoughts. So 46 percent of Dems think legal immigration provides a major benefit, compared with just 21 percent of Republicans. When it comes to illegal immigrants, 46 percent of Republicans want to “deport as many as possible,” compared to just 18 percent of Democrats.
So maybe Trump is simply tapping into anti-immigrant sentiments that have become a big part of Republican politics over the past several years (at least since George W. Bush first pushed the DREAM Act after winning re-election and was rebuffed by his own party). And Sanders is likely tapping into a hard-core progressive wing of the Democrats who, after being disappointed with Obama for being insufficiently proggy, rightly understand that Hillary is ultimately an Establishment player.
I do think Zito is correct when she writes
Donald Trump is going nowhere in this election cycle; neither is Bernie Sanders….Trump and Sanders are reflections of the unrest, not the leaders we are seeking.
Folks in the early stages of election cycles may be more easily drawn to extreme candidates, even if they end up settling for more centrist ones. Here’s the rub this time: Given the wide distrust in the government, desire for some form of economic wisdom and belief in innovation, and rising social tolerance, the most mainstream candidate in 2016 would be the one toeing a generally libertarian line of free minds and free markets. Majorities of Americans believe in things such as gay marriage and pot legalization and immigration (that Fox poll finds 64 percent want a path for illegals to become legal). They also generally want a government that does less and spends less.
It’s a shame that neither of the major parties, despite seemingly hundreds of candidates, can cough up even one goddamn character who is at least willing to articulate an agenda that would include shrinking the size of government while also growing the scope of individual choice.
Nick Gillespie has apparently never heard of Rand Paul.
He’s gonna win 40 states, jim. And who cares what carly nobody has to say.
And salena zito is no bright bulb, either.
Nick Gillespie should know by now that neither party will support anyone that would actually change anything in a “shrinking the size of government while also growing the scope of individual choice” sort of way.
I mentioned this in a recent post where it was lost in the shuffle over the legitimacy of Donald Trump’s candidacy, but I think this bears reiteration:
Jeb winning the GOP nomination and Hillary securing the Democratic nod has potential to be the best thing to happen to the USA. Trump will likely run as a third party candidate,as will Bernie Sanders. Bush and Clinton will each get ~35% and The Donald and Sanders will each get ~15%. It may cause a nightmare in the electoral college. Well over half the country won’t accept Jeb or Hillary as president under those terms. A Hillary victory could paradoxically be the best thing to happen, as it could spark a secessionist movement of states in the southeast, southwest, plains, and mountain west. I think this scenario unfolds in the midst of the past due correction on Wall Street, which cascades into a meltdown and triggers the necessary dominoes for the currency crisis. Hillary’s draconian measures to keep the union intact will speed it’s demise and a chance for us to use our long awaited reset to reorder our affairs.
The northeast (Maryland to Maine) and west coast (Cali, Oregon, and Washington) might be screwed regardless, given their penchant for progressivism. I’d head south of the Mason Dixon (pass Maryland while you’re at it) or east a few hundred miles from the Pacific.
If we let the coming crisis go to waste, we only have ourselves to blame. I’m ready to pledge my life, fortune, and sacred honor to restore sound principles of money, morals, restricted foreign involvement, and limited government. Provided the aforementioned scenario unfolds (or something like it), we may never have the opportunity again.
@John Angelo: I was ready to argue with you, but in reading the rest of your comment, I’m in agreement. It will take a jolt to shake the tree of Liberty. I just hope it won’t take that much blood. to water it.
Thanks, Westcoaster. My scenario might just be wishful thinking. Germany had insurmountable debt, a currency crisis, and a charismatic leader assume the reigns some 80 years ago. I’m afraid we’re just as ripe to go in that direction. Time will certainly tell.
John and Westy
Walk with me for a moment back down memory lane…….the year I believe was 1992 and Ross Perot was bashing NAFTA and saying all of the things that the people longed to hear. At one point ole Ross had a 10 or 11 point lead in the poles over Bubba and Daddy Bush. The owners shit a large brick and said “put a monkey wrench in this machine”. Ross comes out and announces he is leaving the race with some trumped up excuse that his daughter had been threatened.
After some time passes the numbers come back into line for TPTB’s intended candidates, Bubba was actually the golden one. Ross Perot jumps back into the race and never really picks up any steam after quiting. Bottom line is that Trump running as third party candidate will not be president, the owners would not let it get that far………dream on about opportunities that will not happen. EMBRACE your next president, Hitlery Clinton.
@BEA LEVER: Excellent point. Thanks for sharing. I was only 11 years at the time of that election, but I was already an avid follower of politics and remember it well, especially Perot’s excuse. It makes me wonder who or what specifically got to him behind the scenes, what they had on him, and what the result would have been if Perot didn’t comply. I agree Trump or Sanders will never be president. I hope they both see the election through, even if their financial or personal destruction is at stake.
You guys are right. He’s finished. Wake the fuck up. Where is carly nobody? Oh yeah, her debate invitation got lost in the mail. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-trump-surges-to-big-lead-in-gop-presidential-race/2015/07/20/efd2e0d0-2ef8-11e5-8f36-18d1d501920d_story.html
@starfcker: July 2015 and November 2016 are a decade apart in the year leading up to the presidential election. Plenty of candidates surged to the lead in 2012 until the GOP settled on Romney. The difference here is I think Trump will have enough support, enough balls, and enough of his own money to make a viable 3rd party candidacy. I don’t think he’ll win because there’ll be enough gaffes and statements to turn off the religious right, establishment, and precocious liberals, but I agree he’s here to stay for this election and I appreciate his bravado.
Stop ratting on and on about this third party bullshit. Open your fucking eyes. We’ve got a real man standing up front, saying this has got to change. And you idiots are gonna mealy mouth? Hope you like the taste of trump’s bull elephant dust. John angelo, how do you see the first debate turning out? Jeb! is wetting the bed already. Rubio is a valet parker in trump’s world. The midmatch is going to be obvious.
Ever hear of a reagan democrat? We aren’t a 50/50 country, or even close. Trump can pull women, trump can pull minorities, and he can mop the fucking floor with working white people, who are 70% of the country and tend to vote. So he doesn’t get the hillary lesbos or the no voter ID crowd. That ain’t gonna matter.
Am I allowed to say, blow me, jim?
Trump is gonna have to spend some of his change to compete with the stockpiles being accumulated by those dickheads. Whether he is willing to dig deep for a couple hundred million or so remains to be seen.
I don’t see how Trump’s hairdo is physically possible.
Llpoh, this has been cheap for him. He gets on every show every day for free, he has no pollsters, consultants, speechwriters, teleprompters, etc. He owns his own planes, so he just gasses up and goes. He’s spent less than he’s gotten in donations, barely a million bucks
Star – so far he is living off the free publicity. But eventually he is gonna have to cough up some serious change if he is really serious about being a candidate.
And spend it on what?
He will have to spend it on ads. Lots and lots of ads. Got move the sheeple, because those fuckers flock, and they only respond to mass media.
@starfcker Trump may have a lot of quotable quotes during the debates. His line about John McCain was one of the best I’ve heard in a long time. I’m willing to bet a majority of those who watch will say Trump won the debate. However, they’ll also be prepared to say before watching it simply due to his style.
I’d be concerned if I were you that Trump is peaking too soon. If he keeps this up long enough he’ll start to be taken more seriously by the general public, but he’s like the team that starts the season hot and hopes to finish above .500. The other candidates are glad to let Trump sprint during this portion of the marathon.
I’m glad he’s willing to run with confidence through a field of land mines on topics like illegal immigration. His contribution might lend the eventual nominee to take a tougher stance (whether they follow through policy-wise while in office isn’t as likely). I think ultimately the wolves of K Street will eat away at Trump. He’ll make costly gaffes, the lack of speechwriters/consultants/etc. will catch up with him, and he needs to be ready to commit hundreds of millions of his own money if he wants to seriously contend.
I think the forces in the GOP that wouldn’t elect Mitt Romney because he was a Mormon will point to Trump’s personal life, bankruptcies, and billionaire wealth as cause for detraction. They’ll point to what Trump had to say about McCain, as humorous as it was, as one of the reasons he’s not presidential.
Conversely, the wild card is Trump might go George Costanza and have “hand” by breaking up with the GOP before they dump him, choosing to go at it as an Independent. I wouldn’t put it past him. His plan all along may have been to use the GOP for what they’re worth. He doesn’t need them like most of the other candidates. I believe he’ll ultimately run as an Independent and think both parties are too far gone to nominate anyone other than the usual suspects, which is why I see Sanders running independently as well.
” so far he is living off the free publicity. But eventually he is gonna have to cough up some serious change if he is really serious about being a candidate.”
No he wouldn’t. Donald Trump could go to NBC and pitch “The Candidate” reality show and those idiots would not only put it on the air, they would pay Trump for his time. Not a bad idea actually, there are 16 candidates a nice number of contestants. Would be an entertaining show that would encourage the bottom 50% IQ points of this nation to vote GOP because of a reality show.
“Coming this fall in partnership with the Republican party, Fox News, CNN, McDonald’s, Taco Bell, and Target; Donald Trump presents “The Candidate”. For the next 16 weeks Republican contestants will battle it out to hear “you’re elected”. They will sabotage Democratic candidates in the news, you will hear their gaffes, you will hear them yelling at pollsters- All to be ‘The Candidate’. Follow them on Twitter #TheCandidate”
John Angelo, I couldn’t disagree with you more. I think jeb! and rubio peaked too early, at 15%. Trump is pounding the table with the things that are tearing our country apart. These issues aren’t going away. I see nothing but upside for him.
Enjoy Trump’s time in the spotlight, vote for him with gusto, but don’t discount the Bush war chest, network, longevity, ties, or name, regardless how tarnished his brother left it. For Trump to have any chance at winning the general election, he needs to spend in excess of one billion dollars (liquidating many of his real estate holdings) and switch from Republican to Independent, similar to the model Michael Bloomberg employed to win the NYC mayoral election.
It doesn’t matter how angry people are or how desperate the situation in America has become to the GOP. During the current great indignation of Obama’s presidency, the GOP controls both houses of Congress and have John Boehner and Mitch McConnell as their respective leaders.
The GOP as a whole will not let a brash talking previously unaffiliated thrice married celebrity New York billionaire secure the nomination without putting his time ascending the ranks of the “Old Party.” I don’t care if he’s struck a nerve on illegal immigration and isn’t afraid to call a spade a spade. This is a party where Mitt Romney, John McCain, and Bob Dole have been three of the past four candidates. The GOP nomination is akin to a lifetime achievement award. Jeb is getting the nomination because he served two terms as governor, is the son and brother of former presidents, and Nixon or a Bush has been on every winning GOP ticket for the past 84 years. The last Republican administration not to feature Nixon or a Bush was Herbert Hoover… in 1928.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3165148/How-far-dollars-stretch-Real-value-100-state-revealed-difference-30.html