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rhs jr
rhs jr
October 20, 2015 11:51 am

To summerize, yoots are blowing more of somebody else’s money out their asses than previous generations.

Sightseer
Sightseer
October 20, 2015 11:57 am

Who the fuck wrote this article?

Fuck you buddy.

Do you know how many Gen X Men I personally know, who were 100% COMPLETELY WIPED OUT by divorce? How much you gonna save when paying alimony + child support?

Do you know how many Gen X Men I personally know, who used to be small business owners, and were completely 100% COMPLETELY WIPED OUT during the 2008 – 2009 crisis, never to recover?

I burned 70k of working capital and my personal 50k cash savings trying to keep my business afloat after the crushing we received early 2009. Business NEVER recovered. We went from a 25 person shop to a one person shop today.

I would also have zero cash savings if it were not for my PM’s. So tell me again how stupid and short-sighted I am.

Stucky
Stucky
October 20, 2015 12:01 pm

Kind of a depressing article for me because I know I have SQUANDERED a lot of money … SHITLOADS … in my life. I bet I’ve blown $30k or more just on coffee and smokes. Can I live life over? No? Ok, well fuckit then.

Stucky
Stucky
October 20, 2015 12:02 pm

“Who the fuck wrote this article? Fuck you buddy.” ——— Sightseer

Llpoh wrote it.

Sightseer
Sightseer
October 20, 2015 12:05 pm

Yea, this is the paragraph that set me off about Gen X:

“It seems 31% of all Generation X adults between the ages of 35 to 54, in the prime earning years of their lives, have ZERO savings, the highest among all age cohorts. Over 20% of them don’t even have a savings account. This is incomprehensible and reveals an almost juvenile approach to life. Approximately 70% of all 35 to 54 year old households have $1,000 or less in savings. These are people who should have been working for the last 10 to 30 years. To not have put aside more than $1,000 is beyond irresponsible, and the justification of earning no interest on savings is disingenuous as they could have earned 5% up until 2008. This shocking state of affairs can’t only be laid at the feet of the evil bankers and rich corporate titans.”

We are getting divorced raped
We are getting our businesses crushed
We have the highest rate of suicide of any age group
We are getting crushed the worse of all age groups by Obamacare
We can’t get jobs due to age discrimination
It’s almost as if Gen X White Males have been specifically targeted for destruction, but the author calls us juvenile.

Sightseer
Sightseer
October 20, 2015 12:10 pm

Wow the fucking Stockholm syndrome on this site is un-believable, I have been reading the site for a while and would not have expected to see it here.

Yancey Ward
Yancey Ward
October 20, 2015 12:13 pm

Ah, but those folks do have a savings account, it just has your name on it.

Sightseer
Sightseer
October 20, 2015 12:14 pm

So, bury your head in the sand, ignore TONS of statistics saying people are getting CRUSHED by the economy, and blame the victim.

Got it.

You have a really lousy place here.

Yancey Ward
Yancey Ward
October 20, 2015 12:15 pm

I would also be deeply distrustful of that data about the millenials- how much of that money they claim to have in an account are student-loan proceeds that are yet to be spent?

Fiatman60
Fiatman60
October 20, 2015 12:32 pm

Not just the Gen X’ers……. I’m in my retirement years, and I know so many of my age group that have no savings either. NONE!! They blew it all on vacations, fancy cars, you name it. If it weren’t for SS they would have nothing.

When I ask them how could this have happened, their completely clueless. They thought that they were going to win the lottery, make it big in the stock market… yada yada. When you ask them about “personal responsibility” they laugh at you, in your face. They chide you because you don’t have all the vacations and shiny new toys like they did.

Fair enough…. We’ll see who fairs best when the government well eventually runs dry.

Peaceout
Peaceout
October 20, 2015 12:41 pm

Not saying this is a reason some folks don’t have savings accounts but it is. As of this morning per Bankrate.com interest rates on savings accounts:

Rate APY Rate APY
Total Bank Average 0.04 0.04 0.02 0.02
Total Thrift Average 0.12 0.12 0.15 0.15
National Average 0.09 0.09 0.08 0.08

Really what is the point for some people to have a savings account, people that don’t trust the banks to hold their money and don’t want to play in the rigged stock market. I know a lot of people that just hoard cash, coin and PM in their gun safes. Still savings for sure but not conventional. I have heard young folks say things like ” the interest rates are basically zero so why bother”, so it has become a mindset oftheirs not to save that continues as long as banks keep rates at zero.

Stucky
Stucky
October 20, 2015 12:49 pm

” ….. ignore TONS of statistics saying people are getting CRUSHED by the economy, and blame the victim.” ————- Sightseer

I am going to try to be reasonable with you.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

How about the tremendous articles Admin writes which crush the BLS? What about his detailed analysis of all the companies in this country which are Dead Men Walking? C’mon man …. do you REALLY believe that Admin doesn’t realize “people are getting CRUSHED by the economy”?? Of course, he does!! And, I believe you KNOW this to be true.

You interjected YOUR personal situation into the mix. Nothing wrong with that …. I have been know to do that quite a bit. But, you are clearly upset because Admin isn’t responding with the “warm & fuzzies”. Rather, — and you should know this also — he is big, VERY BIG, on personal responsibility. He is not one to suffer excuses … despite the horrible economy.

Look, I met the guy in NYC a couple weeks ago. He is a MEAN motherfucker. VERY MEAN. Downright nasty and mean. We passed a homeless guy sleeping on the street. I put a buck in the guy’s tin can. Admin kicked the guy in the nuts! Twice! Yelled at the guy to “get a fucking job!!”. On the other hand, he (and HZK) bought me ALL my beers, and food!! You see, he’s a very complex guy. Very passionate. And deep deep down in his vile blackened heart, he’s one helluva guy. Seriously.

So, before you get all butt-hurt and leave, maybe you should re-evaluate YOUR reactions …. and tell Admin you just busted a nut temporarily, and that it has passed. He is quick to forgive and forget. Really.

bb
bb
October 20, 2015 12:50 pm

Admin , One reason I always enjoy your financial articles is I always feel richer and smarter .I always think at least I’m not as dumb as some people. I do have areal savings account buried under my mom’s house. I am fortunate enough to have 5000 in cash in my truck at all times for repairs or fuel.I have made some terrible choices when it comes to women but through it all I have managed to keep a job and save money.Yes ,I needed this .Thanks.

DRUD
DRUD
October 20, 2015 12:50 pm

Yes, we are responsible for our actions and yes, I have made plenty of mistakes, but Gen-Xers have been well and truly fucked by the system–many of us just starting out in careers when the dot com bubble burst…then we were just getting back on our feet for the 2007-2009 economic clusterfuck.

I spent my late twenties and early thirties unemployed, underemployed and pretty fucking miserable…looking back there are plenty of things I would have done much differently…but I was still operating under a false paradigm (work, save, grow a nestegg, retire in comfort) that worked so well for my parents.

And now? Work for a great small company and monthly expenses are covered…but we are not really saving–at least not aggressively. And yes, we do have cars with long financing terms(but very low interest rates). I hate the idea, but in this system it makes sense. We probably could (barely) pay them both off now, but to what advantage? The loan is essentially free. It is a ridiculous system, as we all know, but it is the only one we got right now.

Sure, we have over 10k in savings, but no retirement accounts. What would be the point? In what way could we invest some digital fiat and reasonably expect it to not only still exist, but actually to have grown in 25 years?

No, I fully believe, now is a time to sit on the sidelines financially. Saving is absolutely the right thing to do, if one is saving sound money…but saving a clearly dying fiat? Please.

So, we hang on. We are comfortable…sure, we have the car loans, the cell phones, the cable package…

I guess the real point is no one knows how this thing is going to break. no one. Car loans won’t really matter if no one can buy gas. Savings accounts with huge balances won’t matter if/when bailins begin. Your 401K balance won’t matter much if/when there are riots on the streets of every city in America.

We are at a perilous and completely unprecedented point in history. Old rule and old wisdom (at least in a financial sense) have little bearing during the first Fourth Turning of the nuclear/technological age.

I hope, there will be a period of new growth, optimism, peace and prosperity after this period of extreme crisis (in other words a new High). If so, again hopefully we can get back to sound money and true financial wisdom.

For right now, I view saving (at least in traditional ways) to be like painting your house during a hurricane. Normally a wise, forward-looking thing to do, but under current circumstances a little silly.

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
October 20, 2015 1:06 pm

It is not that expensive to own and use a modern smartphone. I bought my LG G2 off swappa for $100. It is a great phone with a snapdragon 800, large 1080p screen, 16GB of storage, and 2GB RAM. I use the Ringplus VIP Pepper plan with 1000 SMS addon which gives 250 minutes, 1500 texts, and 280MB of 4G data. How much does it cost? $4 a month. Four dollars. For basically limitless texting (unless you’re under 18, in which case 1500 texts is not quite enough, but they do have a 5000 SMS addon for $8 too lol)

phoolish
phoolish
October 20, 2015 1:15 pm

Kind of like people on “diets.”

If you don’t don’t fewer calories than you burn, your diet will never work.

The math is relentless.

Peaceout
Peaceout
October 20, 2015 1:19 pm

Admin – I get that the savings and lack of personal responsibility across all age groups is abysmal and unconscionable and quite frankly shocking to people like us that have sacrificed real time gratification for long term stability. I was just relating experience of what I’ve heard recently as excuses not to, or alternatives to conventional savings.

In this day and age, with all the vehicles at our disposal, to not set money aside for the long haul is criminal IMHO. With exception to the most dire of situations it seems you should be able to set aside something no matter how modest. I know a comment like this will spark a lot of contradiction from people that are in hard situations but so be it.

One thing we taught our kids from an early age was the power of saving and compounding and how saving as much as you could early in life will provide huge benefits in the future. Take advantage to the fullest of your 401k plans at work, open up an IRA account and fund it to the max every year, take advantage of tax free earnings over a life time, etc. They were smart enough to see the benefits over the long haul and have been doing what they can in spite of only working in low paying entry level jobs. They have learned to budget their lives with what is left and don’t seem overly miserable about not having cash for near term gratification items such as going to the latest over priced trendy bar/restaurant, latest block buster or rock concert.

Life lessons are hard, always have been and it pisses me off to no end that money that is being taken away from my earnings is going towards the folks that were not smart enough or responsible enough to take care of their own shit when they had the chance to. The people that had no choice because of whatever situation, no problem, that becomes a societal responsibility. But the folks that lived large and tried to impress the neighbors and flaunted all their shit in front of the folks that spent a life time towing the line and taking care of their business, I would say to them suck it. No soup for you!

Persnickety
Persnickety
October 20, 2015 1:25 pm

@Iconoclast421: do you know who cares? Whofa King cares. That’s who.

Persnickety
Persnickety
October 20, 2015 1:29 pm

I am a young gen-xer. I’ve had my own business for about 7 years. It has ups and downs. Still better than being a cog in big corporation. I have considerable savings, most of which are attributable to the first several years of my career when I earned X dollars and spent between 1/3 and 1/2 of X for all my expenses. I wasn’t living like a king, but I had a new car and a decent apartment. And I built up savings that continue now.

The single biggest issue I’ve had saving is the lack of any meaningful return on fixed income options. I’ve been earning .4% at best since 2008, and often 0%. You can put money away but its value is eaten up by inflation. Yes, I know about PMs. This is a terrible time in which to invest. Saving is worthwhile, but you’re stuck in 1st gear without investment return. Still, my emergency fund would let me buy a new car in cash, not that I would want to do so.

jamesthewanderer
jamesthewanderer
October 20, 2015 1:30 pm

(1) with ZIRP there’s no point in having a savings account; ANY inflation means you lose money over time

(2) with “bail-in legislation” the law in U.S., Europe, most places, anything you save in a bank account can be taken in a heartbeat to bail out the bankers when they make bad decisions.

(3) anyone who ADMITS to having savings in any form is painting a big target on their own back, that the NSA can see from across the planet. Anyone who asks knows that I am dead broke, because I tell them so.

There is NO BENEFIT to you to answer any question on any topic posed by anyone; if they agree with you, you gain nothing. If they DISAGREE with you, YOUR NAME goes on a list of “hoarders”, “homeland extremists”, “domestic terrorists” or whatever, and you become a candidate for “audit”, “internment”, “detention”, or “collateral damage”. If you understand this, why do you answer anyone, ever, on any subject? If you (and megafellowtravelers) lie to the pollsters / research studies / data collectors, why would believe / trust any figure published, especially figures published by the government?

I don’t know if everyone is telling the truth or lying; I only know what I do / have / own, and I’M NOT TELLING!

Stucky
Stucky
October 20, 2015 1:52 pm

“Japan’s economy is stuck in a prolonged stagnation because consumers’ disposable income is too low and business saving is too high.” ———– http://livingeconomics.org/article.asp?docId=3

I know the above article is not talking about PERSONAL savings. Nevertheless, one can’t win for losing. Not saving enough? Bad!! Saving too much? Bad!!

Rise Up
Rise Up
October 20, 2015 2:00 pm

jamesthewanderer says: “…I don’t know if everyone is telling the truth or lying; I only know what I do / have / own, and I’M NOT TELLING!”
===========================
Word of mouth is not necessary for the IRS/NSA/CIA/Big Gov to know EVERYTHING about you. They know from your tax returns, any credit card transaction, bank accounts, etc., not to mention your phone, text, and e-mail conversations.

So it doesn’t matter what you tell anyone. We all have targets on our backs.

NobodysaysBOO
NobodysaysBOO
October 20, 2015 2:12 pm

EASY to fix ? Try kicking the immigrants OUT. TRY voting for TRUMP.
TRY working outside the USA. TRY to keep out of the US military it is NOT a job.
TRY working OFF the books.
TRY being a PHONY illegal immigrant for the BIG BENEFITS.
TRY going to GERMANY for collage tuition is free to all. the jobs are there as are the new immigrants “the immigrants KNOW the best spots vote with your FEET!

TPC
TPC
October 20, 2015 2:24 pm

Millennial who was raised to believe in personal responsibility checking in.

I only have 18k in our savings account, it was up to 30 but we pulled a bunch for home improvements and used a chunk of it to pay off a student loan.

Our goal is to keep 20-30k in savings “in case of emergency” while using extra to pay off student loans early, and fix up our rather modest house.

rob in Nova Scotia
rob in Nova Scotia
October 20, 2015 2:25 pm

A couple of weeks ago my Son who is 24 was at house party and had to endure a young lady complaining about having $69,000 student loan with no job. I asked him what she studied.

Answer

Early childhood development. I’m sure this snowflake was sitting there sipping Coronas her Daddy bought while typing away on 600 dollar Iphone.

And I am supposed to feel sorry for her.

This is the rule for me.

If you are broke you can’t afford an Iphone.

If you have one don’t complain that you have no money for food.

Jim
Jim
October 20, 2015 2:37 pm

I have observed several “typical” households in our neighborhood which seems to be somewhat representative of the country. The 20 somethings all live at home or are being supported in some way by their hard working parents with very few exceptions. The best family unit gig is the 2 income no kids (DINKS). the ones across the street are both nurses for past 25 years, they get excellent retirement and throw off so much cash they just got back from Italy for a month, besides having their house paid off. Meanwhile, back in the real world, any couple with kids has education to pay for ( in our neighborhood the public schools are a disaster) so kids go to parochial or private. In sum, I would agree divorce throws a damper on the party, but the key is to stay married and apparently have no kids. Out.

Kreditanstalt
Kreditanstalt
October 20, 2015 3:07 pm

Measuring this by “accounts” is useless. Not only do a significant portion of the population not have jobs or earn enough to save at all, but “savings accounts” earn next-to-nothing anyway…perhaps many people’s “savings account” is in the stock market, their house or a “checking account”.

This fixation with useless “account” measurement smacks of the equally-useless “employment” data, which remains stuck in the 1970s, measuring only “big companies”, “insured” jobs and failing to say anything at all about the quality of those jobs…

Flem
Flem
October 20, 2015 3:09 pm

The problem stems from government corruption and the crony capitalism that ensues. Businesses bribe our lawmakers. Lawmakers make it so workers can’t fight for descent wages. Businesses have more money to bribe lawmakers. Every politician that accepts corporate PAC or lobby money should be shuffled off to jail. But they won’t because our judicial system is just as corrupt. Do you know how a lawyer becomes a judge? That’s right he bribes the party in power. So before he even hits the bench his hands are dirty. It’s a never ending cycle of corruption.

Captain obvious
Captain obvious
October 20, 2015 3:18 pm

Well, I’m Gen-xer and I saved enough cash to easily buy a couple top of the line Beemer or Mercedes on an average-Joe salary. How?

1. I drive a bullet-proof 2001 Toyota with roll up windows which was a HUGE upgrade over my prior POS Hyundia which looked like hell.

2. I took that savings and eliminated all my debt except for my house. I hope to have the house paid off in another 5 years.

3. I cancelled cable TV a decade ago along with all the other unnecessary monthly bills.

4. I didn’t get married. Look: If I’m rocking $500k-800k net worth but my girl has 50k of debt in student loans and credit cards, guess what? DON’T MARRY THEM.

5. Don’t reproduce. Everyone I know is miserable in their life of slavery to their spoiled brats kids.

I pass beemers and benzes every day and think: Sucker….And you know what? I’M RIGHT.

Don’t look to tax people like me down the road for your stupid decisions.

That’s the point of the article folks. Quit trying to impress everyone with your fake wealth and generate some real wealth.

Good luck!

Tommy
Tommy
October 20, 2015 3:29 pm

Tough one, most here seem to agree that if a generation is wiped out by macro forces it was inevitable but when any isolated incidence pops up, its dismissed as a personal failing. Too bad that these days mistakes are built to last, very few can just get up and go again. At the same time, you don’t know till you try, but most who fail these days will find the ladders’ been pulled up. One by one the winner/loser account is becoming unbalanced and the rage of the remaining just goes unheard. I guess it can only be determined from a personal view or risk judging others based on partial facts.

I’ve got my story too, but at the end of the day – its my fate. I’m not ready now due to a serious risk miscalculation – but at the same time the business I’m in is less than healthy despite diversity and no debt. In the end, I’m not where I should be for retirement – and it is on my mind constantly. I’ve learned to try while fighting feelings of failure and regret and can assure you, its a journey in and of itself. I wonder what others will do when they have a week to compress the same emotions into.

Kreditanstalt
Kreditanstalt
October 20, 2015 3:30 pm

“… the lack of retirement savings…”??

As Peaceout wrote earlier, “Really what is the point for some people to have a savings account…”…going on to point out that gold, guns, cash etc. is quite likely too. Which is why this fixation on “bank accounts” very likely misses most of the population.

My “savings account” is a paid-off house and long-held physical gold, together with bargain-basement mining stocks. I keep as little as possible in a “bank account”, for purposes of both safety and privacy.

Not many will do THAT I admit…but many people consider their (mortgaged) house, LOC, 401K, money market stuff, business, even their car or boat as their “savings”.

I agree with you that such people are heading for disaster but there you go..

Desertrat
Desertrat
October 20, 2015 3:34 pm

I used debt as a tool: Get a short-term loan in order to buy something on which I could make a profit. This was separate from my 8-5 job.

“Find a need and fill it”: After I dropped out of the 8-5 world, I bought a backhoe and dumptruck (good used) and became the only-available sand/gravel fella in the small community. Saved as much of my profits as I could. Bought cheap land in small tracts.

Built my own house my self. Wound up at $42/sq-ft for 1,400 sq-ft on 15 acres, including a separate garage and a very good water-well system. Sold it three years ago for 120/sq-ft.

Now in a no-debt structure but for running expenses and low ad valorem taxes. Comfy and happy. Pretty much prepped for “no matter what”.

Tommy
Tommy
October 20, 2015 3:34 pm

Captain Obvious wins? Don’t get married…..don’t have kids as a core thesis to…..success? Fuck that. Live below your means, +1, otherwise maybe for some but jeez, reads like a formula for a lonely guy later.

Captain obvious
Captain obvious
October 20, 2015 3:47 pm

Tommy:

Getting married is just giving creditors two people to go after in the event of a problem. I keep my relationships between myself and my girl. I don’t see any need to get the state involved.

If it was customary for guys to marry other guys into “friendships” and either one of them can snatch each others cash and run for no reason, would you do that too?

It’s like starting a business together. If I come to the table with 500k and you come to the table with $50k of debt is that a good idea for me? Hell no.

If you want kids, great! But people need to realize the “fun” is over and it’s a lot of work. Don’t have the kids and then complain about your boring life and lack of cash.

Tommy
Tommy
October 20, 2015 3:58 pm

Captain Obvious, fair enough – I think I made it clear ‘whatever’ and still made my case for me. But a reason to not getting married should be anything other than keeping creditors at bay in the event of an unforeseen issue(s)…..that’s just universally odd. Period. Two dudes? Where the fuck did that come from? And lastly, I’m not complaining about my kids. Me no get you. But that’s okay on TBP. See you around.

Gator
Gator
October 20, 2015 4:00 pm

I guess Im one of the people dragging the millenials stats down. I rent, but have almost no debt. I have saving, and 100% agree that saving money is the keyto happiness later in life, but I have seen what the banks do with other people’s money, and I chose not to save money in the traditional way.

And for all those flaming this article, looks like admin hit a little too close to home. I look at those thing he goes on about, and think about how much fucking money I have wasted on those very things. It doesn’t seem like a big deal or much of a waste of money to spend 20$ on Jersey mikes subs for me and the wife for lunch, but it really does add up, especially over the years. I’m not near as guilty of the mindless spending and thoughtless consumption as most of my generation, but I have done it too. Especially the alcohol/bar tabs the first 5 years of my 20’s, jesusfuckinchrist that was a lot of money. oh well, rather than get mad or upset about it, Im just glad I learned my lesson and don’t do that shit anymore.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
October 20, 2015 4:12 pm

Sightseer said:
“Do you know how many Gen X Men I personally know, who were 100% COMPLETELY WIPED OUT by divorce?”

That would be their own fault dipshit. They chose vapid women who had a nice asses, huge tits (which they probably paid to “enhance”) and did unbelievable things to their dicks when the should have been choosing a real life partner. They should have been looking for someone who shared their values, morals and goals and would have made good mothers for their children. But no, they chose the one who could suck a mean dick and then thought, in many cases, if my wife is this good there has got to be someone better so let me play the field a bit.

Men and women from my generation (GenX) were the biggest whores and sluts I’d ever seen until the Minnies came along. You reap what you sow dumbasses!

The ones who really suffered through absolutely no fault of the own are your retarded, directionless, “everyone gets a trophy” children.

So you and your wives ruined each others lives, ruined your children’s lives and suffered the loss of a business that was built on the unsustainable practice of cashing the equity out of your houses for ever and ever……………and who’s fault is that again?

TPC
TPC
October 20, 2015 4:37 pm

They chose vapid women who had a nice asses, huge tits (which they probably paid to “enhance”) and did unbelievable things to their dicks when the should have been choosing a real life partner. They should have been looking for someone who shared their values, morals and goals and would have made good mothers for their children.

—————————————————————

Can I have both? This either or stuff is depressing.

Llpoh
Llpoh
October 20, 2015 4:41 pm

Admin – sorry to be late to this party. I have ben doomstead prepping non-stop.

Hell, even SSS buys into the fallacy. The other day he said as many middleclass folks are doing the right things than are not, then I kicked him in the nuts with the same figures you are using. Have not seen him since.

Boohoo – I married an earthpig who took all my money. But it was not my fault. She took all my money.

Boohoo – my earthpig squirted out a bunch of earthpiglets who I gotta feed now, but it was not my fault.

Boohoo – my business tanked and I poured $150k down the shitter before I realized it had tanked, but it was not my fault.

Fuck me. Is anything their fault? If they forget to wipe their ass, it is not their fault.

I mentioned the young man I recently met – early twenties, growing a business, working 100 hour weeks, avoiding debt, not hiring people when he can work more hours himself, delaying marriage, hustling his ass off, and well on the way to retiring at thirty.

What say these whiny ass losers model themselves after this kid? No-o-o, that is too damn hard. Fuck hard work, thrift, delayed gratification. “Gotta go bang me an eartpig, run me up some debt, have some piglets I cannot afford, and blame someone else when it all turns to shit”.

What a bunch of pussy losers.

Real nice article, Admin..

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
October 20, 2015 5:00 pm

Peaceout said:
“I know a lot of people that just hoard cash, coin and PM in their gun safes.”

No offense but that is not smart at all. A gun safe is not a safe. Most offer almost no fire protection and about the same amount of theft protection. Many so called “gun safes” can be broken into with two large screwdrivers or a couple of pry bars. A battery powered sawzall will cut the top off of one in less time than it takes to pry one open.

A gun safe will keep your kids and their friends out and may stop a smash and grab thief who is in a hurry but that’s about it.

If you’re going to store valuables at home, which is NOT a good idea, you want a UL listed safe rated not less than TL-15. Better still, find multiple, off-site “storage” locations. Private vault space and the bank of mother Earth are good options.

Llpoh
Llpoh
October 20, 2015 5:07 pm

IS – one of my first purchases before moving into my doomstead was a thousand pound safe. A very small safe, but took 4 guys and special equipment to get it in the door. And that is before it is bolted down.

Llpoh
Llpoh
October 20, 2015 5:12 pm

Admin – yes, I remember. What a bloodbath that was. I won, of course. It just took you a couple years to realize it! Newbies have no idea what it was like around here.

It is sad that you present facts, as always, and the sheep go apeshit. You did not make that stuff up – they cannot stand the sight of themselves in the mirror, so blame you for their reflection. What dipsticks.

Dr. R
Dr. R
October 20, 2015 5:22 pm

I’m 45 (Gen X) and have minimal savings as I deliberately keep my checking and saving account balances low due to zero to negative returns and excessive risk of bail-ins. By the metric of savings in an account, I have under $1000. However, I have no debt (paid off over $100k of student loans and a large mortgage), have plenty of assets, regularly pre-pay known expenses (inflation hedge + provides short-term reduction in burn rates if no money comes in), regularly invest in my own businesses, and could convert assets to cash if needed in a few days. Yes, we paid too @#$$#@ much for the house and yes the economy has sucked for Gen X’rs like myself with multiple rounds of unemployment, financial repression, zero return investment environments, lack of hiring, downsizing, outsourcing, etc. And Yes – I am bitter and pissed off about how Gen X’s income and future has been stolen. However, we’re marginally OK because we built our asset base, DIY’d, stayed home, and paid off debt when our neighbors (who paid the same overpriced amounts for their homes) constantly bought lots of junk, bought new cars every couple of years, went on lots of expensive vacations, hired expensive contractors instead of DIY, and otherwise lived beyond their means and wasted their resources such that they are one paycheck away from bankruptcy. You can save and prepare for the future even in a true @#$%$@#% environment but it takes some discipline and effort that lazy sheep seem to be incapable of having.

TPC
TPC
October 20, 2015 5:27 pm

I don’t know why we bother reporting the generation, American producers as a whole are being destroyed by an all consuming upper-class and under-class.

The upper class being the oligarchs, and the under-class being the socialists.

The upper buys off the lower while keeping their boot heel in the face of the middle class, and the middle class also is carrying the lower.

Shit really never does change, does it?

Captain obvious
Captain obvious
October 20, 2015 5:33 pm

Tommy:

Hey, thanks man for understanding my odd way of looking at things, and I respect your opinion too.

IMHO, registering my female relationship with the state (getting married) is no less odd than registering a friendship with the state.

Imagine that?
So you get to a certain age…people start talking: Joe and Bill have been friends for 10 years and they still haven’t registered their friendship with the state? Geesh…what is wrong with them? Are they doing okay?

And if that was what EVERYONE else was doing then you’d probably feel pressure to do it too.

Most people just do whatever everyone else does without stopping and thinking about it. They dress like each other, compete with fake wealth, go to the latest bars, they mimic each other like monkeys.

A lot of people out there need to stop and think about their decisions:
Is a fancy car really going to make me happy when I can barely afford the payment?
Do I really need the state involved in my personal relationships with women?
Do I really want to have kids? Can I afford it? Is that really for me?
What makes me happy the most?

If a new car makes someone THAT HAPPY, then they should totally buy it. But it seems like most people just waste their money on meaningless garbage trying to look cool, and that is just SAD.

What is this? Junior High School? Grow a set and be your own man for God’s sake. SEt your own trends, don’t follow mindlessly.

Rant complete. Thank you.

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