The Fourth Turning intensifies by the minute. Donald Trump has called for a ban on all Muslims entering the United States. The establishment and their lackey mainstream media mouthpieces are aghast. Every time they think Trump has gone too far and has surely destroyed his campaign with an outrageous comment, he gains support. The ruling class doesn’t get the mood change in the country. They continue to think linearly. Times they are a changin. Get prepared for rocky times ahead.
Let’s get a flavor of the sentiment on TBP. Do you agree with Trump, why or why not?
Muslims Furious As 6 Of 8 Trump Supporters Stand Behind Muslim Travel Ban
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/08/2015 08:12 -0500
Yesterday’s stunning announcement by Donald Trump calling for a “total and complete” shutdown of Muslims entering the US (even US citizens), has unleashed a media frenzy across both the political and media world, and proven the real estate tycoon still has the capacity to not only shock but to serve as Obama’s political foil at every turn.
Furthermore, as Trump acknowledged Monday during a raucous South Carolina rally, his call for barring all Muslim foreigners from entering the United States is “probably not politically correct.” But as CNN reported earlier, he had three words for his critics: “I don’t care.”
Perhaps just as surprising, is that as he usually does, Trump once again managed to do what he has done so well during his campaign process – strike a chord with a prevailing undercurrent of what Trump admits is politically incorrect sentiment within US society. And if his South Carolina rally was any indication, that support will stick.
The reason: six of eight Trump supporters at the rally who spoke with CNN said they supported the Muslim travel ban, which has drawn swift criticism from other Republican and Democratic presidential contenders alike who slammed the proposal as contrary to American values of religious tolerance. And the two supporters at the rally who disagreed said they were still likely to vote for Trump.
“I think that we should definitely disallow any Muslims from coming in. Any of them. The reason is simple: we can’t identify what their attitude is,” said 75-year-old Charlie Marzka of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Marzka explained that he believes Islam “allows for the killing of people” and said he thinks Muslim culture “is absolutely contrary to our culture.”
Trump explained Monday on Fox News that his proposal would not apply to Muslim Americans and Muslims already living legally in the United States.
“It does not apply to people living in the country, except we have to be vigilant,” Trump said on Fox News moments before he took the stage in South Carolina.
Far from backtracking, however, Trump warned supporters that without his controversial proposals – which in addition to banning Muslim immigrants includes surveilling and potentially shutting down mosques – the U.S. could face another deadly attack on the scale of 9/11.
“We’re gonna have to figure it out, we can’t live like this. It’s going to get worse and worse, we’re going to have more World Trade Centers. It’s going to get worse and worse, folks. We can be politically correct and we can be stupid but it’s going to be worse and worse,” Trump added.
And that approach is why three-quarters of snap polled rally participants agreed with Trump even if one protester’s voice – one of five protester interruptions on Monday night – broke through the cheers. “This is racist bullshit,” he chanted.
So as Trump rallies his core base, his approval rating among the Muslim population will be a solid zero.
The Associated Press asked Muslims around the world for their thoughts on his proposal. This is what a random sampling of them thought:
AYA, a 22-year-old college graduate in Cairo who declined to give her full name for fear of alienating her family:”
“I was born to Muslim parents and wore the veil at a young age. Now I am an atheist, but I can’t tell anyone or take it off because they will probably kill me. My question to Donald Trump is: How do you know the Muslim you are banning is actually Muslim? Don’t you think an extremist can fake denounce Islam and enter as a Christian or an atheist and still blow up your country? This is not how you fight terrorism; this is how you fan it.”
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BASSEM YOUSSEF, former talk show host known as the Jon Stewart of the Middle East:
(On Twitter) “I didn’t know Donald Trump was fluent in Nazi.”
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TAREQ, 22-year-old college student in Cairo
“I don’t pray. I drink. I try to sleep around. All my friends do. I am about as Muslim as (Trump) is. Ban Muslims? Does he have any idea how many Muslims are just Muslims on paper?”
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YARA FARIS, 23-year-old journalist in the West Bank. She hopes to study international journalism at Columbia University:
“The U.S. will always be the best place to study, and I don’t think the U.S. would deny Muslims entry just because they are Muslims.”
“I see Trump as a crazy man. He always gives crazy statements and recently I read a report that shows that 60 percent of Trump’s statements were based on wrong information.”
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USAMA SALLAH, prominent Palestinian businessman in Jerusalem who lived in the U.S. for 14 years
“I think that these statements are a shame. This is not the United States that I knew, and I’m sure that the majority of the Americans don’t agree with it because it doesn’t represent American values.”
“I will continue to visit the United States whenever possible because I know that America is a great country in which there is no place for such racist opinions. And for those who agree with him, I ask: How would you feel if Arab and Muslim countries decided to ban Americans from entering them?”
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AHMED JALAJEL, Palestinian journalist in east Jerusalem who visited the U.S. last year as part of a State Department-sponsored program:
“I’m sure that what I heard from Trump doesn’t represent the United States. In America, I have seen a democratic country, nice people who love life, a great country that is ready to receive people from all over the world and a country of great values that Trump certainly doesn’t represent.”
“As a Muslim, I don’t think that Trump represents the United States; he only represents himself.”
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SAM BAHOUR, a Palestinian-American business consultant who moved from Youngstown, Ohio, to Ramallah, West Bank, in the 1990s, called the comments “disgraceful” and “absurd.”
“The backlash is going to be against Muslims. The Muslim community understands the inherent racism in some pockets of U.S. political life.”
“This makes the melting pot not melt at the end of the day.”
Bahour said relatives in the U.S. have been telling him “how they are hearing comments in the street, supermarkets, really racist comments. It’s not going to be the same being a Muslim in America, even once this passes.”
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AZIZA YOUSEF, a computer science professor at King Saud University in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia:
“He’s racist… I think Trump is representing himself. I don’t think he represents Americans.”
“Why is it that when there are crazy people who happen to be Muslim, they blame all Muslims? I will not be responsible for someone who commits a crime who happens to be a Muslim. I will not defend myself or defend Islam because a guy or person who happens to be Muslim did something stupid.”
Yousef is traveling to her vacation home in Virginia this weekend with her children and grandchildren as she does every year.
“I spend a lot of money there three to four months out of the year. Muslim tourists and those that live there as students help the economy of the United States.”
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SOMCHAI JEWANGMA, an officer with Thailand’s Sheikhul Islam Office, which governs the country’s Muslims:
“I don’t think that can ever be done. The United States has economic ties with Islamic countries and there are millions of Muslim people in America. This is just a policy to please those who don’t like Muslims and to gain more support.”
“It’s true that there are Muslim extremists, those who don’t have good intentions for Islam. But there are 1.7 billion Muslim people in the world. If we were all bad, then the world would be uninhabitable.”
Somchai also said entry rules already have become stricter: “When I applied for a U.S. visa, I was inspected for months.”
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AZRA KHAN, president of the Canberra Islamic Center in Australia, said Trump’s proposal is the wrong way to address last week’s attack in San Bernardino, California, in which a Muslim couple killed 14 people:
“Clearly Donald Trump is trying to inflame the situation. Clearly this tragedy is not about Muslims.”
“He could better improve the situation if he were to say, ‘Let the U.S. take guns more seriously and ban them.’ That one simple solution would be much more suitable and make the streets of America far safer.”
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NUR JAZLAN MOHAMAD, Malaysian deputy home minister, said the proposal is not aligned with America’s image as tolerant and democratic, and could play into the Islamic State group’s hands by alienating Muslims who are already in the U.S.”
“His proposal reflects the thinking of many people in America, and this is worrying.”
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KEYSAR TRAD, the chairman of the Sydney-based Islamic Friendship Association of Australia, said Trump’s statement reflected political desperation.
“Donald Trump’s statement is a desperate statement by a desperate man who knows that he’s clutching at straws and has no chance of winning the election. So he’s trying to win it off the back of the Islamophobia industry.”
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AMIDAN SHABERAH, the chairman of the Indonesian Council of Ulemas, an influential clerics’ organization, said Trump’s comments were a “big, big mistake.”
“He should not turn a blind eye to the fact that most of Muslims in the world strongly condemned any kind of extremism and radicalism in the name of Islam and our hearts and prayers go out to all victims of terrorism regardless of their faith.”
“Trump’s statement clearly shows us that Western society has a phobia against Islam, that people cannot distinguish between Islam and terrorist acts that rejected by mainstream Muslims.”
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IKEBAL PATEL, former president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils:
“He’s trying to alienate not only the Muslim population of the United States but all the Muslims around the world.
“Nobody in their right mind would in any way condone what has just happened with those two individuals in that town, but to condemn in one fell swoop all the Muslims and to try to suggest that Muslims shouldn’t be allowed in America is quite ridiculous.”
While getting a haircut yesterday, the Barber asked me about Trump and illegals – I said send them back, only legals allowed. The big problem with Muzzies are the Mosques – an Exec. Order from a new Pres. should have them disallowed and existing ones torn down.
Why ask Muslims how they feel about it? What difference does it make?
Absolutely. There is no radical Islam.Muslims are merely putting into practice what their holy Koran preaches and that is the subjugation and if need be the total destruction of the infidel and their culture.
Kicking the cuckroaches
Donald Trump knows what the American people want a lot better than the cuckroaches in the media who claim to be “opinion leaders” do:
http://www.voxday.blogspot.com/2015/12/kicking-cuckroaches.html
Trump isn’t “desperate”. It is his critics, like Shapiro, who are growing increasingly desperate. Ben is projecting. “The latest Rasmussen Reports (Dec. 4) weekly Trump Change survey finds that 68% of Likely Republican Voters believe Trump is likely to be their party’s nominee next year, up from 53% two weeks ago.” And recent events in San Bernardino only helped Trump’s cause.
It is not “idiotic” to say that banning Muslims from entering the country is the only way to stop terror attacks like the one that occurred in San Bernardino because doing so would have stopped the terror attack in San Bernardino. That being said, it’s true, that won’t stop all Muslim terror attacks; the only way to do that will be to repatriate all Muslims to the Dar al-Islam. Which, sooner or later, is exactly what will eventually happen across all the parts of the West that stay West.
The Preamble to the Constitution trumps both the Constitution and the Amendments. The citizenship that can be granted by the stroke of a government pen, can be taken away by the stroke of a government pen as well. Citizens are not nationals and the Nation trumps the State.
There are a billion Muslims on Earth. None of them have to live in the West. It is neither immoral nor impractical to suggest that Muslims should live in the House of Submission and to refuse to permit them to bring war to the House of War. Furthermore, it is not only impractical, it is both ahistorical and utterly impossible, to expect large quantities of Muslims to live in the West in peace. They will not. They never have. Shapiro is demanding the Muslims stop being Muslims, a much greater offense to them and their religion than not permitting them to colonize the West.
Our foreign intelligence apparatus in the Muslim world is practically nonexistent anyhow. And it obviously escapes Shapiro that we will not need a domestic intelligence apparatus spying on Muslims if there are no domestic Muslims on whom to spy.
No, because just like criminals don’t obey gun laws, Muslim terrorists will find a way in if they want in. What are we going to do, make people eat bacon at the border to prove they aren’t a muslim? A country-based ban list would be more effective, but even that could be bypassed.
I say keep them out. I have a hard time squaring my secularism with the dogma at that faith. We all have to watch what we say about that so-called prophet. To me being a follower that man is to be drinking from poisoned chalice.
Muslims will say their’s is a religion of peace yet they will condone media and public censorship so as not to insult mohamed. Either it is a religion of peace that can withstand criticism or it is intolerant. Seeing as it views all non-believers apostates and those who dare criticize mohamed in name or image blasphemers worthy only of death then
I say keep it over there……….
To all those musloids out there please tell me if something like this would be allowed in one of those middle east shit holes.
Everyone on this web site knows that banks lending money against interst bearing government bond will lead to an international banking crisis when those bonds default. We know and Trump knows what’s comming.
He’s just out ahead of the curve.
Isalam is an ideology and must be stopped as well.
The Repulican party thinks they can send up a lacky and people will vote for him. Like hell. They and the media are just blind.
TC…you were being sarcastic, but ‘Eat this Bacon’ or turn around IS a terrific idea.
The problem is that Islam isn’t only a religion as we know it. It’s also a legal and political system all rolled into one.
Before we allow anymore Muslims into this country, they have to amend and rewrite the Koran. Take out all the Sharia Law, remove the killing, remove the infidel references, remove the Caliphate stuff.
Their beliefs are not compatible with a free democratic society. There’s a difference between allowing dissenting opinions, and inviting people to destroy our country from within.
“We’re At War, Get It Through Your Head”, Trump Doubles Down During Combative Follow Up Interviews
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/08/2015 10:02 -0500
12 hours after his dramatic campaign statement to shut out Muslims arrivals into the US, Donald Trump doubled down and in a series of interviews early on Tuesday, he repeatedly told anchors such as CNN’s Chris Cuomo that “we’re at war – get it through your head” in his latest heated exchange, during which he reminded America how quickly people have forgotten “World Trade Center #1 and World Trade Center #2.”
One thing that Trump did stress throughout the media blitz is that his plan to prevent Muslims from entering the U.S. was “temporary.” and in a follow up interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America” he clarified that American Muslims living abroad could return to the U.S., following conflicting statements by his campaign yesterday: when asked if Trump’s proposal applied to U.S. citizens living abroad, a Trump spokesperson had told The Hill on Monday that Trump’s proposal applied to “everyone.”
In the aftermath of yesterday’s announcement, there has been a surge of media outlets comparing Trump to Hitler (as seen below).
George Stephanopoulos asked Trump during the ABC interview whether the candidate was bothered by the increasing number of such comparisons, to which Trump responded with a simple, “No.”
As could have been expected, Trump’s interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” turned combative when co-host Joe Scarborough tried to interject a question, while the real estate mogul continued to speak during the phone call-in interview. As the Hill reports, Scarborough threatened to send the interview to a break if Trump didn’t allow him to ask a question. After Trump didn’t relent, Scarborough instructed producers to cut to commercials.
After the break, Trump discussed comparisons to former President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Questioned about whether he was proposing internment camps like the ones FDR created for the Japanese, Trump said, “I am not proposing that. This is a whole different thing,” he added later during another combative exchange.
It wasn’t just the leftist media that attacked Trump – so did the GOP, where rivals blasted Trump, including former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush who called it “unhinged,” as well as the Republican party chairs in the early voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. The White House and Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton also panned the idea as un-American and unconstitutional.
Despite the condemnations, Trump said on MSNBC that “we have to get our hands around a very serious problem” adding that “not everybody has condemned” his comments.
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. What makes any of you guys think a single terrorist will admit to being a Muslim? This policy just seems ineffective at best, fascist at worst, but I do understand that It will make a lot of people perceive that they are safer. Guess that’s all that matters.
Ms Freud and I watched Trump’s entire speech.
After it was over Ms Freud said, “I like him. At least he’s honest and doesn’t give a damn about political correctness”.
“Yeah, that’s for sure. But, would you vote for him?”
“Yes.”
“Me too.”
Yeah, that’s right. Yeah, I remember the anti-Trump screed I wrote a while ago. So what. I’m allowed to change my mind. I hated him before I liked him. After seeing what the mooslimfuks are doing to Europe, and especially my beloved Austria, I am now turning into a Single Issue Voter. Fuck you if you don’t like it.
Just think what America would be like today if we didn’t bring boatloads of niggers here a few hundred years ago. Do you want your great great grandchildren wondering — “Why did great grandpaw and great grandmaw allow these mooslimfuks into our country?” — just before they bow down towards Mecca.
The issue has been decided for Ms Freud and I. Single Issue Voters we are. Immigration. I see a Trump presidency going one of two ways; 1) He actually turn things around and starts to make America great again or, 2) He turns out to be an evil cocksucker dictator and greatly hastens our demise.
I prefer #1, but am ok with #2 …. cuz I’m fuckin’ sick and tired of the charade. Rebuild or Revolt, but for fucksakes let’s just quit kicking the can down the road pussyfooting our lives away bleeding to death from a thousand cuts. I prefer prosperity, but a bullet to the head works just fine, as well.
Over and OUT.
@TC: “This policy just seems ineffective at best, fascist at worst”
OK, then let’s put a moratorium on all immigrants. Really, do we need more people in the USA?
This is a very stupid thing to say. Both sides are being cowed. I hope the truth comes out about what happened in San Bernardino before both sides go full on Nazi. You got one side that wants to ban guns and the other side that wants to further radicalize muslims after taking absolutely ZERO responsibility for all past radicalizations of muslims. Both sides of this are equally insane.
islam is not a religion. It is a fascist, statist political movement. Islam is incompatible with the constitution of the United States.
TC,
No, bacon not necessary.
Just quit admitting migrants from Muslim and Muslim dominated countries.
It isn’t like they/ll be missed, they aren’t bringing anything here we need and we’ve done just fine in the past without them.
But answer a question: What are they bringing here that we need enough to allow them in to bring it?
Iconoclast,
So exactly what is the truth about Bernardino?
It wasn’t done by muslims pledged to ISIS and practicing their religion or it was all just actors and didn’t really happen at all (the way the moon landing was fakes)?
Stucky, that’s a really thoughtful post. Props
And I am starting to like this trump guy myself
Like everything else associated with policies of the Obama administration, legal and illegal immigration is a mess. There should be a moratorium on all immigration for a couple of years. Post troops on the southern border if necessary.
While I totally agree with Dutchman about Islam (it is the dreaded combination of Church and State, where you simply get the worst aspects of each–ie the corruption and power-brokering of politics combined with the fervent zeal of religion)–my answer is no for one very simple reason:
it gives more power to government.
It is just another example of our pervasive cultural paradigm of getting government to solve all of our problems. At this point, government is so entangled in all of our lives, that to cut it out cleanly will not be possible. Reducing government’s size, scope and power will be universally devastating. Still, it must be done.
Again, ultimately, all the immigration problems will be solved when the US collapses into a nasty, failed state and then no one will want to come here.
So, we got that going for us. 🙂
@anon – exactly right – a country-based shit list would be much more effective without the whole religion argument. And I wouldn’t limit it to just emigration, but also for travel. No different than what was done in the ebola outbreak. You come from country x or spent any time in country x over the last 2 years, then you’re not getting in.
A corollary to my point about not giving government more power, is this:
Do you any of you trust our government to institute a non-immigration policy without completely fucking it up and making the problem worse–you know, like they have with literally every other problem they have tried to “solve” in the last century?
I said to Mr. HZK at the time of the latest offering from the Religion of Peace in San Bernardino that Trump would pop off with this, there would be a furor and his ratings would go even higher.
The problem is, Trump is 100% correct on ceasing all immigration of Muslims, particularly from places in the world WHERE THEY CANNOT BE VETTED. He is also likely to call for ceasing 100% of all immigration as well.
His logic RE the Muslims is, sadly, unassailable:
1) There is NO WAY for the fed.gov to “vet” these people, as well as monitor them while they are here to prevent “radicalization”. Especially since CAIR/Muslim Brotherhood/etc managed to get all references to sharia law/radical Islam/etc from the FBI training manuals in about 2010-11.
(See = Tsarnev brothers)
2) Per a recent PEW study ( http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/), there are alarming, some would say catestrophic, levels of support for violent jihad and sharia law by Muslims in their home countries, before they even come here.
3) The assimilation of Muslims (with the exception of the Druze) in the West has been a categorical failure, so what makes folks think that importing even higher numbers of Muslims from even more unstable (=radicalized) areas of the world is going to work?
(See = Definition of Insanity)
4) Read the Koran, the Siras and the Hadiths. These are not documents of love and unstanding. These are documents of conquest, often violently. Unless there is some great “reformation” of Islam repudiating this Islamic supremicism, Islam cannot coexist with the West. However, any repudation of the Koran, the Siras and the Hadiths is on its very face apostasy and punishable by death under Islam. So there’s that.
5) Taqiyyah: The concept that a Muslim can lie to the infidel to further the cause of Islam. How can you trust them when it is central to their religion to lie to you to further their jihad?
6) Are there any “moderate” Muslims? I, personally, am underwhelmed by the widespread demonstrations, the full page newpaper ads, the TV ads, the opening of the mosques for universal worship in condemning these violent acts of Islamic terror. Where are all the “moderates”?
I have come to the horrible conclusion that Islam is completely incompatible with Western Civilization, that it is not a religion at all but in fact a violent totalitarian means of social control and that it appeals to the very worst in human nature.
That being said, Trump 2016.
or
SMOD2016, same same.
It is shocking how much violence is in the Quran. How can anyone be a Muslim if he knows what is in the Quran? How can any nation bring in people who subscribe to the violence in the Quran? Islam is not a religion of peace but a religion of conquest and submission. Whereas Christ is the Prince of Peace, Mohammed is the Prince of War and violence. What most Americans do not appreciate is:
1) About 75% of the migrants are young males from the Middle East and Africa;
2) Over 90% are Muslims;
3) The migration is not spontaneous but orchestrated and funded by George Soros and other powerful entities who seek to destroy the European people. They provide boats, buses, travel supplies and even 500 Euro notes. The “migrants” arrive well dressed and equipped with cell phones and most of the amenities of western civilization. THESE ARE NOT REFUGEES.
Satanic verses from the Quran:
Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).
The real problem with Trump that both the Republicans and Democrats have is that he seems to turn out right about everything.
Trump’s really sort of a traditional blue collar guy in a thousand dollar suit and both sides know it, but they don’t have no idea how to deal with it.
muslims are like pit bulls, but a lot of people want to treat them like labrador retrievers…
“Tolerance of religion” does not apply because Islam is a death cult enveloping an entire way of life including education, culture, history, military and law in addition to religion.
I like obongo’s reaction. HIDING
Trump is going for the free publicity and air time, period. He knows what bumps network ratings more than the average candidate. Every minute of controversial vitriol is a minute his campaign wont be paying for. He is brilliant when you look at him in that light.
He saves alot of money with every remark and simutaniously controls his running mates. I doubt that he cares one way or another for us proles when he is looking down from his ivory tower.
When both sides attacked one person…like Trump it means they are scared he’ll win and screw up their Kleptocracy .
Trump is a pure demagogue and narcissist. . It seems we are repeating the early 1930’s. Then, we had the decimation of the Middle Class while the disparity of wealth hit extremes just like today. The Depression was beginning, just like today. Hitler came to power in Germany while Roosevelt was elected in the U.S. Trump and Bernie Sanders are the modern day Hitler and Roosevelt. i will leave it to the reader to determine which is which. History is rhyming like Hell.
Got to hand it to him, “I don’t care” works on so many levels
When it comes to evil, the Quran has nothing over the Old Testament for those who have actually read both. Back then the Jews had their Sharia law.the penalty for violating the Ten Commandments was to be stoned to death. Religion (any religion) flowers into it’s full evil when it is allowed to control the levers of power. “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
B…put down the Kool-Aid it’s screwing up your ability to think clearly ( like that ever happened ).
Any Jews stoned anyone lately ? I can show you pics of a Muslims stoning a young girl a month or so ago.
Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about the evil that is actually in the Koran??
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html
Maybe because they would have to talk about the evil that is in the Bible and how old testament God killed or condoned killing 2.5 million people while Satan only killed 10 people (who is the bad guy here?).
There are 1,300,000,000 ( 1.3 billion ) Muslims on this planet. I say they should go finance and fight the war against ISIS.
Muslims: get off your asses and fix the problems of your making. Otherwise you are going to be viewed and treated as the subhuman creatures you are.
Those who say keeping Muslims out won’t stop some from sneaking in as pretend Christians or pretend atheists are missing the larger point. Even if muslim immigrants are themselves not violent, their kids are more inclined to violence. It’s 2nd generation muslims in France who create the trouble. Syed Farooq Sr. is not a terrorist. Syed Farood Jr was. We don’t need more muslims. Foreigners have no right to immigrate to the US. We have the right to choose who can come here. Anyone whose religion mandates forced conversion (or dhimmitude) should be kept out. Trump is of course correct. The only thing that surprises me is that only 75% of his supporters agree with him on this – so far. The other 25% just need a little more time to mull it over.
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I only wish I had time today to talk Old Testament vs. the Koran. The one thing I will say is the OT Law was for a specific people in a specific geographical area. Israel was only told to conquer the land of Canaan that’s it. The Jewish law was for Jews only and those who chose to live in the nation of Israel. And the outsiders did not have to obey the Law the same as the Jew nad the outsider was to be treated with respect.
Anyone who states the Koran and the OT are equal is ignorant of the Bible. The inhabitants of the land of Canaan were idol worshiping, human sacrificing (think suicide bomber today and worse), homosexual loving (think muslim men today) pagans. God told Israel to wipe them out (which Israel failed at). Why? Read and understand.
READ the OT. It is one of the most Libertarian texts around. It allows for property rights, free enterprise and no gov’t taxation. The tithe was to support the priesthood. When Israel asked for a King. God said “You FOOLS”. He is going to tax you, enslave you, take your daughters from you…… But if that’s what you want I’ll give you a king. And that is exactly what the kings did.
Israel was supposed to be a testimony to the pagan nations around it of a civil, God-loving society. They were not to take up arms to conquer other lands, only to defend themselves, which they did. Sometimes successfully and sometimes not.
I would love to say more, but I have WAYYY to much work to do.
AYA, a 22-year-old college graduate in Cairo who declined to give her full name for fear of alienating her family:”
“I was born to Muslim parents and wore the veil at a young age. Now I am an atheist, but I can’t tell anyone or take it off because they will probably kill me. My question to Donald Trump is: How do you know the Muslim you are banning is actually Muslim? Don’t you think an extremist can fake denounce Islam and enter as a Christian or an atheist and still blow up your country? This is not how you fight terrorism; this is how you fan it.”
“they will probably kill me”
says it all.
Another musloid attack would likely seal the deal for Trump being elected. The other candidates have to be shitting their pants/pantyhose in fear of just that happening. Valerie Jarrett and Huma have to be working the phones with their ‘contacts’ trying to get them to order a one year hiatus on anything more.
I am SO proud of Stucky….he comes full circle and that avatar is to die for.
Remember when I said Trump would blow the cuck party the fuck up…..badda boom.
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Cousteau 54 , praise God in heaven for thou has seen the difference between the Old testament and the Koran.
Judaism is not based on old testament either. Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant of both.
In the article Usama Sallah was quoted as saying: “How would you feel if Arab and Muslim countries decided to ban Americans from entering them?” My answer: Fine, go ahead. I truly could not care any less. I don’t know any Americans that really wish to visit your shithole countries full of barbaric savages. Pack your pornographic Korans up your stinking asses. I promise never to visit your filthy, wretched, immoral sandboxes. Please extend the same courtesy to American citizens.
So when does Congress appoint the special prosecutor to issue indictments for treason against these United States?
Islam, by law, is prohibited from US immigration
The Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the United States. That act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the intent of Congress regarding the immigration of Aliens to the US and remains in effect today. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by “force, violence, or other unconstitutional means.” This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States, but this law is being ignored by the White House.
The laws prohibits entry of “Aliens who the consular officer or the Attorney General knows or has reason to believe seek to enter the United States solely, principally, or incidentally to engage in activities which would be prejudicial to the public interest, or endanger the welfare, safety, or security of the United States.” It also prohibits the entry of Aliens who are members of or affiliated with any organization that advocates or teaches, the overthrow by force, violence, or other unconstitutional means of the US or of all forms of law, and Aliens who publish, circulate and distribute materials teaching or advocating the overthrow by force, violence or other unconstitutional means of the US Government or of all forms of law.
Islamic immigration to the US would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the US government, the Constitution, and to the Republic. All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life’s guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Now the political correct crowd would say that Islamists cannot be prohibited from entering the US because Islam is a religion. Whether it is a religion is immaterial because the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with any “organization” that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited. It also prohibits those who distribute literature that advocates the overthrow of our country, which would include the Koran.
In fact, there are many verses in the Koran that command Islamists to kill those who do not submit to allah and the prophet. If Congress so desired to hold the White House accountable to the current immigration of refugees (which also must comply with the law), it has the Immigration and Nationality Act to cite. The Administration is breaking that law. The question is “does Congress have the political will to do something about it?” Or shall we be a nation like that in Isaiah 59:14 where, “justice is turned back, and righteousness stands afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.” I think you know the answer, at least for now. But there are a handful of Congressmen who are studying this. Pray.
To read the law, go to this link and scroll down to Chapter 2, Section 212:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE…E-66-Pg163.pdf
– Bill Wilson – Daily Jot –
Last edited by Ringo; 11-21-2015 at 01:42 PM. Reason: credit author
18 U.S. Code § 2381 – Treason
Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
I don’t think banning a particular religion squares with the concept of Americanism, but I’ll damn sure go for a moratorium on ALL immigration (including those fucking H1B visas the tech companies love). We have to do SOMETHING and banning guns ain’t it.
WTF Obongo?
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GOP Panic? Republican ‘Operatives’ Unleash “Anti-Trump” Super-PAC
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/08/2015 14:55 -0500
It appears Donald Trump’s latest outburst has pushed the GOP to hit the panic button (just as we warned was probable). Just four months after Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Reince Priebus said that Donald Trump is offering his party’s voters a breath of fresh air, WSJ reports that Republican ‘operative’ Liz Mair is launching “Trump Card LLC” – a SuperPAC aimed at torpedo-ing The Donald’s campaign.
Mr. Trump’s durability at the top of polls has surprised establishments Republicans, who are starting to push back. As The Wall Street Journal reports…
Liz Mair, former online communications director for the Republican National Committee, created a limited liability company in October called Trump Card LLC – a super PAC that could collect unlimited funds from individual donors.
The anti-Trump effort is focusing on the two states hosting the earliest nominating contests, Iowa and New Hampshire. In an e-mail to supporters, Ms. Mair said the group has reached out to 150 churches in Iowa, 50 community leaders in New Hampshire and media outlets in both states. She said the group is circulating opposition research about his business record, support for socialized medicine and position on abortion, including recent comments in which he declined to say definitively whether the Supreme Court decision legalizing most abortions should be overturned.
“Where Trump is concerned, many are alarmed at what he says and believes with regard to topics like these when they learn where he really is on these matters,” Ms. Mair said in the e-mail, which was sent before Mr. Trump released his proposal to ban Muslims’ entry to the U.S.
Ms. Mair has declined to identify any sources of funding for the limited liability company, but a new super PAC would eventually have to disclose contributions and expenses to the Federal Election Commission.
Ms. Mair refers to the other anti-Trump initiatives in her e-mail. “As we have said before and continue to say, we are not the only game in town,” she said. “We don’t believe that politics need be a zero-sum game, and are pleased to be able to help those of you looking for additional ways to support the cause to identify and fund those.”
A super PAC backing Ohio Gov. John Kasich’s presidential bid, New Day for America, has announced it will spent $2.5 million on ads critical of Mr. Trump.
And Mike Fernandez, a top supporter to the super PAC backing Jeb Bush, Right to Rise, is paying for newspaper ads condemning Mr. Trump as an “insecure, narcissitic BULLYionaire” and indirectly comparing him to Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.