I have been preaching the first action on the list for a long time. VOTE WITH YOUR POCKETBOOK, it is a powerful vote that will make TPTB sit up and take notice. STOP funding those who are jamming a huge pud up your backside.
Jack Lovett
March 20, 2016 8:01 pm
This is so perfect!!
Araven
March 20, 2016 8:03 pm
#11 Don’t buy anything on credit
#12 Make just enough money (FRNs) to pay your property taxes
Dirtscratcher
March 20, 2016 8:28 pm
#1 Check, sort of. We buy local the best we can, but sometimes ya just gotta buy stuff from afar.
#2 Check, sort of. We try, but gardening is a bitch when, between my wife and I, we’ve got four brown thumbs.
#3 Check. I got livestock including sheep, goats, chickens, and rabbits. I call them meals-on-wheels. No live pigs presently; they’re both in the freezer. My water well here in Southern California is a gold mine. Got a huge photovoltaic system.
#4 Check. Vaccines are poison, as are pharmaceuticals. Ain’t happenin’ here.
#5 Check. Haven’t used cannabis since my misspent youth, but our “healthcare professional’ is a homeopath and the only medication I’ve taken in decades is Ibuprofen, usually after an evening of a little too much Two Buck Chuck
#6 Check. All three of my boys are home-schooled. We waited for twenty years for our adoption prayers to be answered, the last thing we’re gonna do is turn them over to a government indoctrination agency to raise. However, my wife threatens to put them on the yellow bus when they’re to rambunctious. That straightens them out pretty quick.
#7 Check. I live for my wife and kids. We dine together every night to a sit down home-cooked dinner. Working from home allows me to breakfast and lunch with them about 75% of the time.
#8 Check. Unplugged from satellite TV in 2009. Hardly miss it.
#9 Check. Moved to rural acreage on the outskirts of the city 16 years ago. Shoulda done it before then, but hey, who knew?
#10 I failed this one. I only love people on the condition that they first prove to me that they’re not an asshole.
I would add :
#11. Quit paying taxes. Nothing could fuck the System more. It can be done.
Capn Mike
March 20, 2016 8:33 pm
Boat. Bahamas. Done.
rhs jr
March 20, 2016 8:34 pm
#5: Sorry pot-head, 9 atta-boys for you and one aw-shit undoes most of the good.
Axel
March 20, 2016 8:39 pm
Well if you don’t vaccinate, then just don’t have a lot of interaction with others. Or just accept the risk that you or your kids may be hit with a troublesome infectious disease. Like not wearing your seatbelt. Accept the risk, but don’t cry if your kid is deaf from rubella. As a libertarian I understand the desire to not have vaccines forced upon you or your kin. As a physician I also see the consequences of the infectious diseases that vaccines are supposed to help prevent.
ASIG
March 20, 2016 8:42 pm
DIY —-The more projects you do for yourself the less opportunity the Gov. has to collect a tax.
Example –if I work a job and the Gov. collects a tax on my income, then I hire someone to paint my house the Gov. collects a tax from the painter then if I pay to have my car repaired the Gov. collects taxes from the mechanic..
OR—– I paint my house myself and repair my car myself the Gov. has no point at which it can collect a tax. My house gets painted my car gets fixed and the Gov. gets nothing.
I suppose someday the Gov. will find a way to tax you when you make a sandwich for yourself but so far they haven’t figures out a way to do that,,,,,,,,Yet.
Stucky
March 20, 2016 9:56 pm
The first 9 are great.
#10 is total bullshit. We are NOT “all one”.
Should I love all the free-shitters, because we are one? Should I love the mooslim scum in this country, because we are one? Should I love blacklivesmatter? Go fuck yourself with that bullshit.
bb
March 20, 2016 11:11 pm
Stucky has bad attitude . THIS is the another reason you can’t sell your overpriced house.
General
March 20, 2016 11:57 pm
I am.a doctor as well. I would not recommend avoiding all vaccines. If you are concerned about them, do your own research on each one, and then decide for yourself. As far as health goes, there are reasonable uses for some pharmaceuticals. But the most important things are proper diet, exercise, not smoking tobacco, and limiting alcohol intake. Most, not all, of the standard medical system is a waste.
General
March 20, 2016 11:57 pm
Oh and yes, I agree with most of the list.
SpecOpsAlpha
March 21, 2016 7:42 am
Hmmm…Kumbaya moment? Rather than go and live in the woods, how about we fight back? What would be the best way to fight back?
Stand and fight. Stand with people like Trump. Tell the people at the RNC that if they would do their fucking jobs (for which we hired the cocksuckers) that Trump wouldn’t have risen like he has. Vote, keep voting and vote some more (not in the same day 🙂 )
ILuvCO2
March 21, 2016 8:13 am
Well if you don’t vaccinate, then just don’t have a lot of interaction with others. Or just accept the risk that you or your kids may be hit with a troublesome infectious disease.
Well if you do vaccinate, just accept the risk that you or your kids may be hit with autism or stop speaking.
Axel
March 21, 2016 8:47 am
All actions and interventions have risks and benefits. You have to weigh the risk of contracting a disease with the risk of a bad side effect of the measure taken to prevent that disease. If you feel the risk of the preventative measure is too high, then don’t take that measure. A more common example is daily use of aspirin to prevent heart attacks. Seems innocuous enough, until you end up in the ER at 2 am with a life threatening nosebleed or gastrointestinal hemorrhage from the anticoagulant effect of the aspirin.
Axel
March 21, 2016 8:53 am
One other factor not mentioned on the argument for or against vaccination is the concept of “herd immunity”. Yes just like a herd of buffalo, we humans are more protected against contracting a disease if the majority of the other members of the herd are already immune–meaning if they can’t contract the disease, then they are less likely to pass it to you, even if you choose not to be immunized. This is one of the rationales behind enforced vaccination, for good or bad.
Stucky
March 21, 2016 9:35 am
bb
You’re a motherfucking piece of shit. Please (!!!) take your little Fedex truck and make a run to NJ or nearby, and let me know where to meet you, so that I can rearrange your face. I take back EVERY kind word I ever said about you … you loathsome piece of shit.
Suzanna
March 21, 2016 10:15 am
good morning…
Drs. Axel and General,
A small % of people/children without vaccinations may succumb
to the worst outcome of common infectious “diseases”. Adult
males and mumps also comes to mind.
What we see now…are babies and toddlers receiving combination
vaccines, massed produced, and stabilized with preservatives.
Legislators are involved in criminalizing those wanting to avoid these
mixtures.
Women physicians I know say they “negotiate with the pediatrician”
to provide single dose immunizations, and delay them, and string them
out over longer periods of time. I personally know many many people who
regret allowing their babies and children to receive these “scheduled”
vaccinations.
If you two are docs, you know the whole systems is a dangerous business.
Current practice “regulation to reimbursement” rules force you to push the
program. You are both anonymous here…why not use this forum to warn
and coach people? Shame on you. You know full well these vaccinations
schedules are producing harm…more potential harm than good. Childrens’
immune systems are being overloaded and destroyed…in your heart
you know this is true.
Suzanna
March 21, 2016 10:20 am
@General…I reread your post…you were honest,
sorry I chastised you. Thanks
Emotions = hasty remarks.
hardscrabble farmer
March 21, 2016 10:22 am
Pretty good list, 10 is questionable.
Try to live them all to the best of our ability.
pablo
March 21, 2016 10:27 am
#11
get rid of the smart phone.
having one will become the main reason you will:
1. get in a fight with your spouse, once he/she snoops
2. pay $800 a year to allow others to track your habits/contacts/purchases
3. be used against you in a court of law
4. become employed as an uber driver, once you finally get out of dads basement.
And, why is bb picking on Stucky?
who is bb?
Stucky is #1 on TBP, therefore, only bb will down vote this comment.
Axel
March 21, 2016 10:59 am
So I assume Suzzana that from your post that although General is being honest, I am not. Hmmm. I have no skin in the game for pushing vaccinations. I am in fact a surgeon, so I have no direct involvement in the vaccinations of children. I merely provided an argument (trying to be informative) as to the rationale behind vaccinations. Whether you vaccinate your kid or not matters not one bit to me. It is curious these days that trying to be informative is confused so often with advocacy. That is really one of the flaws with political correctness. Am I to assume that merely discussing the benefits of vaccination is now politically incorrect?
Ed
March 21, 2016 11:14 am
“And, why is bb picking on Stucky?”
I think because he’s still butthurt over the Deism thread where Stucky and Admin told flash to stop with the long c&p postings.
“who is bb?”
I think he’s one of the names used by some guy who also used the moniker ‘flash’, but what do I know? I’m new here myself.
overthecliff
March 21, 2016 11:28 am
Is it possible that bb is Admin created to spice up the site? …Oor maybe Stucky?
Ed
March 21, 2016 11:30 am
” Am I to assume that merely discussing the benefits of vaccination is now politically incorrect?”
That wouldn’t be a logical assumption, Axel. Suzanna has many years of nursing experience. Don’t you think she might have a valid point or two in what she posted about vaccines? BTW, reading your comment did give me the idea that you were advocating for vaccination, though you didn’t advocate for mandatory vaccination.
Here’s a thought about “herd immunity”:
IF vaccines are effective (a big ‘if’,IMO) the herd is still going to be made up of vaccinated and unvaccinated members. IF those vaccinated members are immune, they will not be put at risk of contracting a disease from an unvaccinated member. The theory of “herd immunity” is just a theory, and it’s one that fails my test for logic.
If, assuming you agree, individuals have a right to choice in the risk vs reward consideration, any decision by politicians and bureaucrats to make vaccines mandatory is a serious overstepping of any authority they presume to have.
That’s my view. I happen to agree with Suzanna.
overthecliff
March 21, 2016 11:30 am
Sorry guys, I couldn’t help myself. My inner conspiracy theorist self got the best of me.
Axel
March 21, 2016 12:57 pm
I am not trying to agree or disagree, but I do want to clarify the herd immunity concept. First of all diseases like smallpox would not have been eradicated if it were not for mass vaccination. If you immunize most if not all of a population, the virus which is forced to “go to ground” has no ground left to go to (with apologies to Sun Tzu by way of Serenity). It is eradicated. Granted that if the goal is to control infections but not eradicate them (like mumps), then if most people in the community are vaccinated but not YOUR child, then your child is probably safe. But if most of the population decides to withhold vaccinations from their kids, then few are safe (except for those vaccinated). But explaining this isn’t advocacy. And if you think there are no deadly or morbid diseases left for which to consider protection, you are wrong. A good example is the explosion of head and neck cancer. Used to be largely in smokers but now more commonly occur in people with human papilloma virus–the same virus that is implicated in cervical cancer in women, for whom vaccination (Gardasil) is offered.
Ed
March 21, 2016 1:39 pm
” First of all diseases like smallpox would not have been eradicated if it were not for mass vaccination.”
Smallpox has NOT been eradicated.
” If you immunize most if not all of a population, the virus which is forced to “go to ground” has no ground left to go to…… It is eradicated”
A pleasant sounding statement, but how true is it? Viruses mutate, host by host. Do you have solid proof that KVS vaccinations work at all on any mutation of any virus other than the virus samples used to produce the KVS?
“if most people in the community are vaccinated but not YOUR child, then your child is probably safe. But if most of the population decides to withhold vaccinations from their kids, then few are safe”
OK, that’s more of the same circular argument. I’m not ready to accept the “herd immunity” theory.
“And if you think there are no deadly or morbid diseases left for which to consider protection, you are wrong.”
Does that mean that. since I said no such thing, then I’m right? Your strawman is showing, Doctor.
” A good example is the explosion of head and neck cancer. Used to be largely in smokers but now more commonly occur in people with human papilloma virus–the same virus that is implicated in cervical cancer in women, for whom vaccination (Gardasil) is offered.”
You’re presuming causation where there’s only correlation, and invoking the name of a vaccine as “proof” that there’s a vaccine for cancer. Forgive me for being such a dummy, but I’m unconvinced.
Ed
March 21, 2016 1:42 pm
“My inner conspiracy theorist self got the best of me.”
Thank goodness. You had me going for a minute, there. 😉
Axel
March 21, 2016 1:59 pm
Some folks are so indoctrinated as to be unable to be convinced no matter how much logic you apply. This appears to be on both sides of the left right paradigm. You win Suzzana and Ed, and those of your ilk. Don’t vaccinate, don’t take medicines and use your homeopathy. I do not find it worth fighting for. My kids are vaccinated.
Westcoaster
March 21, 2016 7:06 pm
You that downvoted #10 don’t get it. Love is what we’re on Earth to learn. I know it’s hard sometimes, but when you see a lazy mf-er panhandling or otherwise being a slob, imagine that’s you at another turn at bat being Human. Grow some empathy for fuck’s sake, most of us who visit here are blessed; some in the world are not.
Amen and Amen………..
I have been preaching the first action on the list for a long time. VOTE WITH YOUR POCKETBOOK, it is a powerful vote that will make TPTB sit up and take notice. STOP funding those who are jamming a huge pud up your backside.
This is so perfect!!
#11 Don’t buy anything on credit
#12 Make just enough money (FRNs) to pay your property taxes
#1 Check, sort of. We buy local the best we can, but sometimes ya just gotta buy stuff from afar.
#2 Check, sort of. We try, but gardening is a bitch when, between my wife and I, we’ve got four brown thumbs.
#3 Check. I got livestock including sheep, goats, chickens, and rabbits. I call them meals-on-wheels. No live pigs presently; they’re both in the freezer. My water well here in Southern California is a gold mine. Got a huge photovoltaic system.
#4 Check. Vaccines are poison, as are pharmaceuticals. Ain’t happenin’ here.
#5 Check. Haven’t used cannabis since my misspent youth, but our “healthcare professional’ is a homeopath and the only medication I’ve taken in decades is Ibuprofen, usually after an evening of a little too much Two Buck Chuck
#6 Check. All three of my boys are home-schooled. We waited for twenty years for our adoption prayers to be answered, the last thing we’re gonna do is turn them over to a government indoctrination agency to raise. However, my wife threatens to put them on the yellow bus when they’re to rambunctious. That straightens them out pretty quick.
#7 Check. I live for my wife and kids. We dine together every night to a sit down home-cooked dinner. Working from home allows me to breakfast and lunch with them about 75% of the time.
#8 Check. Unplugged from satellite TV in 2009. Hardly miss it.
#9 Check. Moved to rural acreage on the outskirts of the city 16 years ago. Shoulda done it before then, but hey, who knew?
#10 I failed this one. I only love people on the condition that they first prove to me that they’re not an asshole.
I would add :
#11. Quit paying taxes. Nothing could fuck the System more. It can be done.
Boat. Bahamas. Done.
#5: Sorry pot-head, 9 atta-boys for you and one aw-shit undoes most of the good.
Well if you don’t vaccinate, then just don’t have a lot of interaction with others. Or just accept the risk that you or your kids may be hit with a troublesome infectious disease. Like not wearing your seatbelt. Accept the risk, but don’t cry if your kid is deaf from rubella. As a libertarian I understand the desire to not have vaccines forced upon you or your kin. As a physician I also see the consequences of the infectious diseases that vaccines are supposed to help prevent.
DIY —-The more projects you do for yourself the less opportunity the Gov. has to collect a tax.
Example –if I work a job and the Gov. collects a tax on my income, then I hire someone to paint my house the Gov. collects a tax from the painter then if I pay to have my car repaired the Gov. collects taxes from the mechanic..
OR—– I paint my house myself and repair my car myself the Gov. has no point at which it can collect a tax. My house gets painted my car gets fixed and the Gov. gets nothing.
I suppose someday the Gov. will find a way to tax you when you make a sandwich for yourself but so far they haven’t figures out a way to do that,,,,,,,,Yet.
The first 9 are great.
#10 is total bullshit. We are NOT “all one”.
Should I love all the free-shitters, because we are one? Should I love the mooslim scum in this country, because we are one? Should I love blacklivesmatter? Go fuck yourself with that bullshit.
Stucky has bad attitude . THIS is the another reason you can’t sell your overpriced house.
I am.a doctor as well. I would not recommend avoiding all vaccines. If you are concerned about them, do your own research on each one, and then decide for yourself. As far as health goes, there are reasonable uses for some pharmaceuticals. But the most important things are proper diet, exercise, not smoking tobacco, and limiting alcohol intake. Most, not all, of the standard medical system is a waste.
Oh and yes, I agree with most of the list.
Hmmm…Kumbaya moment? Rather than go and live in the woods, how about we fight back? What would be the best way to fight back?
Stand and fight. Stand with people like Trump. Tell the people at the RNC that if they would do their fucking jobs (for which we hired the cocksuckers) that Trump wouldn’t have risen like he has. Vote, keep voting and vote some more (not in the same day 🙂 )
Well if you don’t vaccinate, then just don’t have a lot of interaction with others. Or just accept the risk that you or your kids may be hit with a troublesome infectious disease.
Well if you do vaccinate, just accept the risk that you or your kids may be hit with autism or stop speaking.
All actions and interventions have risks and benefits. You have to weigh the risk of contracting a disease with the risk of a bad side effect of the measure taken to prevent that disease. If you feel the risk of the preventative measure is too high, then don’t take that measure. A more common example is daily use of aspirin to prevent heart attacks. Seems innocuous enough, until you end up in the ER at 2 am with a life threatening nosebleed or gastrointestinal hemorrhage from the anticoagulant effect of the aspirin.
One other factor not mentioned on the argument for or against vaccination is the concept of “herd immunity”. Yes just like a herd of buffalo, we humans are more protected against contracting a disease if the majority of the other members of the herd are already immune–meaning if they can’t contract the disease, then they are less likely to pass it to you, even if you choose not to be immunized. This is one of the rationales behind enforced vaccination, for good or bad.
bb
You’re a motherfucking piece of shit. Please (!!!) take your little Fedex truck and make a run to NJ or nearby, and let me know where to meet you, so that I can rearrange your face. I take back EVERY kind word I ever said about you … you loathsome piece of shit.
good morning…
Drs. Axel and General,
A small % of people/children without vaccinations may succumb
to the worst outcome of common infectious “diseases”. Adult
males and mumps also comes to mind.
What we see now…are babies and toddlers receiving combination
vaccines, massed produced, and stabilized with preservatives.
Legislators are involved in criminalizing those wanting to avoid these
mixtures.
Women physicians I know say they “negotiate with the pediatrician”
to provide single dose immunizations, and delay them, and string them
out over longer periods of time. I personally know many many people who
regret allowing their babies and children to receive these “scheduled”
vaccinations.
If you two are docs, you know the whole systems is a dangerous business.
Current practice “regulation to reimbursement” rules force you to push the
program. You are both anonymous here…why not use this forum to warn
and coach people? Shame on you. You know full well these vaccinations
schedules are producing harm…more potential harm than good. Childrens’
immune systems are being overloaded and destroyed…in your heart
you know this is true.
@General…I reread your post…you were honest,
sorry I chastised you. Thanks
Emotions = hasty remarks.
Pretty good list, 10 is questionable.
Try to live them all to the best of our ability.
#11
get rid of the smart phone.
having one will become the main reason you will:
1. get in a fight with your spouse, once he/she snoops
2. pay $800 a year to allow others to track your habits/contacts/purchases
3. be used against you in a court of law
4. become employed as an uber driver, once you finally get out of dads basement.
And, why is bb picking on Stucky?
who is bb?
Stucky is #1 on TBP, therefore, only bb will down vote this comment.
So I assume Suzzana that from your post that although General is being honest, I am not. Hmmm. I have no skin in the game for pushing vaccinations. I am in fact a surgeon, so I have no direct involvement in the vaccinations of children. I merely provided an argument (trying to be informative) as to the rationale behind vaccinations. Whether you vaccinate your kid or not matters not one bit to me. It is curious these days that trying to be informative is confused so often with advocacy. That is really one of the flaws with political correctness. Am I to assume that merely discussing the benefits of vaccination is now politically incorrect?
“And, why is bb picking on Stucky?”
I think because he’s still butthurt over the Deism thread where Stucky and Admin told flash to stop with the long c&p postings.
“who is bb?”
I think he’s one of the names used by some guy who also used the moniker ‘flash’, but what do I know? I’m new here myself.
Is it possible that bb is Admin created to spice up the site? …Oor maybe Stucky?
” Am I to assume that merely discussing the benefits of vaccination is now politically incorrect?”
That wouldn’t be a logical assumption, Axel. Suzanna has many years of nursing experience. Don’t you think she might have a valid point or two in what she posted about vaccines? BTW, reading your comment did give me the idea that you were advocating for vaccination, though you didn’t advocate for mandatory vaccination.
Here’s a thought about “herd immunity”:
IF vaccines are effective (a big ‘if’,IMO) the herd is still going to be made up of vaccinated and unvaccinated members. IF those vaccinated members are immune, they will not be put at risk of contracting a disease from an unvaccinated member. The theory of “herd immunity” is just a theory, and it’s one that fails my test for logic.
If, assuming you agree, individuals have a right to choice in the risk vs reward consideration, any decision by politicians and bureaucrats to make vaccines mandatory is a serious overstepping of any authority they presume to have.
That’s my view. I happen to agree with Suzanna.
Sorry guys, I couldn’t help myself. My inner conspiracy theorist self got the best of me.
I am not trying to agree or disagree, but I do want to clarify the herd immunity concept. First of all diseases like smallpox would not have been eradicated if it were not for mass vaccination. If you immunize most if not all of a population, the virus which is forced to “go to ground” has no ground left to go to (with apologies to Sun Tzu by way of Serenity). It is eradicated. Granted that if the goal is to control infections but not eradicate them (like mumps), then if most people in the community are vaccinated but not YOUR child, then your child is probably safe. But if most of the population decides to withhold vaccinations from their kids, then few are safe (except for those vaccinated). But explaining this isn’t advocacy. And if you think there are no deadly or morbid diseases left for which to consider protection, you are wrong. A good example is the explosion of head and neck cancer. Used to be largely in smokers but now more commonly occur in people with human papilloma virus–the same virus that is implicated in cervical cancer in women, for whom vaccination (Gardasil) is offered.
” First of all diseases like smallpox would not have been eradicated if it were not for mass vaccination.”
Smallpox has NOT been eradicated.
” If you immunize most if not all of a population, the virus which is forced to “go to ground” has no ground left to go to…… It is eradicated”
A pleasant sounding statement, but how true is it? Viruses mutate, host by host. Do you have solid proof that KVS vaccinations work at all on any mutation of any virus other than the virus samples used to produce the KVS?
“if most people in the community are vaccinated but not YOUR child, then your child is probably safe. But if most of the population decides to withhold vaccinations from their kids, then few are safe”
OK, that’s more of the same circular argument. I’m not ready to accept the “herd immunity” theory.
“And if you think there are no deadly or morbid diseases left for which to consider protection, you are wrong.”
Does that mean that. since I said no such thing, then I’m right? Your strawman is showing, Doctor.
” A good example is the explosion of head and neck cancer. Used to be largely in smokers but now more commonly occur in people with human papilloma virus–the same virus that is implicated in cervical cancer in women, for whom vaccination (Gardasil) is offered.”
You’re presuming causation where there’s only correlation, and invoking the name of a vaccine as “proof” that there’s a vaccine for cancer. Forgive me for being such a dummy, but I’m unconvinced.
“My inner conspiracy theorist self got the best of me.”
Thank goodness. You had me going for a minute, there. 😉
Some folks are so indoctrinated as to be unable to be convinced no matter how much logic you apply. This appears to be on both sides of the left right paradigm. You win Suzzana and Ed, and those of your ilk. Don’t vaccinate, don’t take medicines and use your homeopathy. I do not find it worth fighting for. My kids are vaccinated.
You that downvoted #10 don’t get it. Love is what we’re on Earth to learn. I know it’s hard sometimes, but when you see a lazy mf-er panhandling or otherwise being a slob, imagine that’s you at another turn at bat being Human. Grow some empathy for fuck’s sake, most of us who visit here are blessed; some in the world are not.