LLPOH’s dream. Is marijuana worse than alcohol (purposely vague)? Is Colorado the launching point of a massive drug trade? Is marijuana a gateway drug, if so, what is not a gateway drug? Is sugar / high fructose corn syrup a drug? Caffeine?
Question of the Day, Apr 13
Nah. The “gateway drug” is mother’s milk.
All credit to George Carlin.
Queue up SSS to start the paraquat spraying in 3, 2, 1…
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OK, just wonderin here: why is this Llpoh’s dream? Is he sposed to be a pothead, or does he want Colorado legalized, or has HFCS made him fat or has caffeine made him a successful business guy?
Ed
Llpoh hates more than one question in the question of the day.
Dope is the stupid pill for losers.
It is not a gateway drug. Alcohol is a lot worse. It can be used in a responsible manner, if one has self discipline. Just like any drug, food, or habit if done to excess it can cause health or mental problems. I know many people who only partake of THC on the weekends after they have gotten all their work and chores done. It sure as hell makes music sound a whole lot better
Last I checked Pot doesn’t cause obesity, diabetes and having your feet cut off like HFCS does. If you don’t like Pot, don’t smoke it. If you do, have at it. Actually, if you like Heroin, have at it. Just don’t expect me to pay for your rehab or ambulance bill.
This election is the gateway to insanity, by November I may be using pot to try to numb myself from the reality of 8 more years of a criminal in the WH.
HFCS is a deadly additive, if that is a drug then so be it. All pot smokers do not go on to cocaine or heroin etc. (some truly addictive personalities may gateway into stronger drug ).
I read serious medical evidence lately that there are huge benefits to pot smoking, one being that it increases lung capacity, go figure.
Who are we to pass judgement on one intoxicant being better or worse than the next?
Question not valid.
People should be in charge of their own lives. They can judge what is good for them or what is not. Other people need not weigh in.
Isn’t this really the at the heart of libertarianism? Let me fuck up my own life as I see fit?
Classic chicken and egg question. Does pot cause you to become stupid, lazy, dirty, broke, and constantly eating Cheetos on the couch?
Or do stupid, lazy, dirty, broke, Cheeto munchers just have an affinity for pot?
If the result’s the same, it doesn’t really matter, does it?
It’s a plant. You want to make nature against the law you’ve got a lot of work ahead of you.
You either own your own self or you don’t.
NEGAN 2016
AT LEAST HE’S HONEST ABOUT IT
Pot is the only thing that keeps me from hunting down Westcoaster and doing the Austrian Dick Dance on his face.
First, we need to reach an agreement on the definition of the word “drug.” In college I studied, among other things, political philosophers such as Thomas Hobbes, who wrote “Leviathan.” In their writings, if you agreed with the author’s definitions you’d be led to agree with their conclusions. I believe a lot of disagreement could be avoided if certain terms were agreed to at the onset of a discussion.
That said, I researched the word “drug” in multiple dictionaries and there were a bevy of definitions. According to thefreedictionary.com the word “drug” is defined thusly:
1. A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication.
2. A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.
I think we’re operating with the second definition in today’s question of the day. That said, I believe the key word is “chemical,” so, with that understanding, the chemical properties in alcoholic beverages such as beer/wine/liquor, caffeined beverages such as coffee/soda/energy drinks, tobacco products such as cigarettes/cigars/dip/chew, marijuana/cocaine/heroin (all derived from naturally growing plants), sugary treats, and sex (there’s an entirely new conversation right there) fit the bill. I could also effectively argue staring at a screen watching television, surfing the internet, and playing video games could be considered a drugging of the mental faculties (again, and entirely new conversation).
Certain people are drawn to certain “highs” more than others. Some of that is due to nature and some of that is due to nurture.
On the topic of whether something is a “gateway” drug, I think tobacco comes before marijuana in terms of being a “gateway.” I haven’t seen the numbers, but I’d be willing to bet almost everyone who’s tried marijuana used tobacco products first.
Wish it was legal in CT. At night, music or vid, laugh, munchies, sleep.
What harm?
John, I’m more inclined to view the term “gateway drug” as a nonsensical construct invented for propaganda purposes. IMO, it doesn’t matter which drug an addict used first, and whether a less harmful drug “leads” to use of a dangerous drug.
The term “gateway drug” was applied to pot as a means of dismissing the lack of evidence that it is as dangerous as heroin, in justifying adding it to the list of banned substances, or as an excuse for keeping pot on the list of banned drugs.
If someone supports themselves and their family without expecting me to do it for them and doesn’t endanger anyone I have no problem with whatever it is they choose to do, drugs or otherwise, it is none of my business.
But when they push it on me by doing it in public or expecting me to support them while and because they are doing it, that makes it my business.
Both behavior altering drugs and alcohol usually cause people to violate both of those conditions, and I oppose their use because of it.
Alcohol is much worse. Gateway drug is another govt buzzword that really means nothing but promotes fear and thereby trust in the state. Addiction comes in many forms and everyone has a vice. Government trying to legislate morality or “save us from ourselves” is not only always ineffective/counterproductive it is always a lie designed to garner more power and control. iLUVcO2 nailed it.
I live in Denver, I notice very little difference at all since pot was legalized. Smokers are a little more emboldened–one can smell smoke most times while waiting for a train–but it is hardly the “launching point of a massive drug trade.” And what if it were? Pot is probably the most peaceful substance in the world. High people are too busy laughing at stupid shit and too distracted to perpetrate any violence even if they were of the mind to. The only reason pot causes violence is when its trade is forced into the hands of violent criminals to to its illegality.
And, yes, I will once again post “Legal Fuckin’ High.” It simply makes me laugh every time (and I don’t even smoke pot). Sure, I’m juvenile…but at least I’m not threatening to do the Norwegian Dick Dance on anyone’s face.
1. No, all things can be bad (too much water can kill you) if the doses are destructive
2. Maybe, so what if it is
3. It is a gateway, a gateway to eating shitty food, hours of pointless teevee, videogames and being generally lazy and unproductive.
4. For example, people who exercise too much to the point of destroying their bodies instead of making it stronger, in that case exercise is their “drug”. So in that case TBP, being a shit-throwing monkey, pointing out idiots etc… are “drugs”. All these things, caffiene, sugar, TBP, exercise, weed etc are tools than can help to some degree when used properly but destructive when they aren’t and then become “drugs”.
the worst drug i’ve ever witnessed in my life is power in the hands of people in govt, it is insatiable and does countless damage to others where at least a pothead liekly isn’t doing harm to anyone but himself.
Alcohol and tobacco are medically far, far worse then marijuana. But the more important issue, is that it is COMPLETELY unconstitutional for the federal government to ban marijuana or the other drugs for that matter. Please see the 18th amendment for proof.
“Is marijuana worse than alcohol (purposely vague)?”
The numbers vary widely … but, generally, about 90,000 die annually as a DIRECT result of alcoholism (like liver disease, etc.) That doesn’t include indirect deaths such as drunk drivers.
Get back to me on direct pot deaths, hmmmm, SSS?
“Gateway” is total bullshit.
Fact: 100% of people who fuck, FIRST masturbated. So, should we outlaw masturbation? Nooooo!!
Austrian Dick Dance – now that is funny, even though I don’t know exactly what it means.
Kokoda, we’re getting there. Give it a bit of time. By the way , great fit for my golf game. Makes my hours of practice very enjoyable.
My brother is a pot head, and so is his son, I’ve also employed a few potheads. That being said I don’t think pot should be illegal or is a gateway drug.
To me a pothead is the same as an alcoholic and I know many and have also employed a few. These are the people who can’t get thru the entire day without drinking or smoking. Also why my brother and his son have been largely unemployable. When the person is addicted to either booze or a plant and they can’t make it an entire day with being high, what law is going to stop that?
I get home from my workday between 6:00 or 7:00, and around 9:00p.m. have a few glass’s of bourbon. Or sitting around a campfire, out at dinner with friends, cold nights in the camper, I drink my bourbon.
At a Christmas party a few years ago I was sitting next to a guy that asked me if I minded as he lit his bowl. Go for it, he told me he likes to relax with a vodka and some pot after a long day, and before a long day. Oh? What do you do?
Turns out he’s a prominent eye surgeon at the local hospital.
Neither one of us are addicted, we just enjoy what we enjoy, I don’t smoke but I like to drink, some like to smoke and drink.
But here we go again with the debate over which rights government should grant us, or take away from others. Bottom line it’s none of their business, always been our right.
I agree with DRUD that alcohol is much, much worse than pot.
SSS will have a spasm over this thread but truth is truth. I also am with the non-social HSF that it is a plant but so is a poppy and we have had that arguement before.
Look, sugar cane is a plant and when you refine the juice of cane into crystals, then bleach it white (sometimes ground to a white powder-powdered sugar) it becomes a drug. This whole friggin country is addicted to sugar. Limiting sugar would do more for the health of our citizens than worrying about pot.
“Austrian Dick Dance – now that is funny, even though I don’t know exactly what it means.”
——————————- ILuvCO2
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” Please see the 18th amendment for proof.”
You could make that same argument about a lot of other things as well (i.e. guns and switchblade knives and such) but the Court isn’t going to go along with it.
If the Court doesn’t go along with it, usually using the Interstate Commerce clause as the reason but General Welfare and taxation clauses as well, you waste your time making the argument.
That dancing schlong does not look like 12 inches to me, maybe 1/2 inch max. heh
That was soooo good; still laffing Stuckerbator.
ETOH can kill you. The VA employed me as “do anything we tell
you to do” nursing assistant. So, among other jobs, I got to give
30cc of chloral hydrate to near or actively seizing alcoholics
suffering from DTs. That is not happening from a “couple of
bourbons.”
The pot debate is a sham. If a pot user commits a crime, sue him/her.
Otherwise, leave them alone. I suspect gov is too incompetent to
develop a reliable taxing system for pot purchase. Either that, or
the profit from drug dealing and drug “war” outstrips profit from
taxation.
Last, productive people will not be sidetracked by a pot puff. The
unproductive may have so little to do, a pot puff serves to “breaks up their day.”
Maybe the pharmaceutical industry just doesn’t have their patents lined up
yet. When and if they do? You can get a prescription, but no legal weapon for you.
Gov will pay for your script.
My Teenager’s Voice
So, pay attention
“Weed cures cancer. It cured a baby’s cancer. I read about it on weed sites, like High Times.
Weed is not a drug. Not at all. You are yourself taking drugs when you use your Vitamin D, or your health stupid health supplements.
My old lifetime friends did not abandon me because of my weed use. They are just stupid. They are also only a tiny minority of non weed users.
We weed users are the wave of the future. You old fogies are dead meat.
I did not move on in my favorite team sport, football, because of weed. It was because the players were too big. ( He is over six feet,)
Yes, I was on the honor roll through school. But it was not because of weed that I finished with C- grades .
I was not skipping almost all my classes because of weed. It was because of the impossible teachers.
I don’t know why I was told to leave school.just five months before graduation. Anyway, I did participate in the grad ceremonies.
Yep, I was busted three times in school.
No, I did not give up on my three year saxophone playing because of weed.. Yes, I really enjoyed it while I was doing it and learned to read music.
Alcohol is worse than weed. Alcohol makes people violent, but weed just makes me want to sleep.
No, I am not using weed in the house . You cannot smell anything. You don’t know.
Yeah, I guess me and your car was stinking of weed after my driver test. But that is not why I failed. The guy was really tough on me.
No, I never have any anxiety. But, if I do, the weed helps me to calm down.
No, weed never led me into cocaine. It was because my friends were using. ”
Poppa again
So, if you have kids getting to the weed usage stage, there could be some delightful times ahead for you and yours. Enjoy.
@Stucky: Well, at least we have THAT in common.
Nicotine and Alcohol are much worse than Cannabis, and neither is a “Schedule 1 Drug”. Now why the hell do you think that is?
“@Stucky: Well, at least we have THAT in common.” ——— Westcoaster
Really?? Fuck that shit!!
I’m changing my opinion.
Once again, you and I have NOTHING in common. Order has been restored in my universe.
Question of the day is one thing. Dude want’s a masters thesis………
But, but he was required to sign a DNR so it’s OK………..blessing from the VA.
Seems like a lot more folks from this area now have relatives to visit in Colorado……..
hmmm…………………………..
Let’s compare:
Sex: Amazing! / Can’t get it up
Food: Incredible / Needs More Salt
Music: Sheer Ecstacy / Crank it Up Louder
Thinking: Wow! Where did I come up with that? / Huh, Say again?
Anger Management: I’m just Chillin / I’m gonna bust your chops! or I’m gonna do a dick dance on your face!
Comedy: Stop, got a Gut Ache/ What’s so damn funny?
No header required. And no wonder it’s mostly illegal.
@T4C
Yes, indeed. The patients were strapped to a cart. The nurse brought
me a little tray of 10 or so little paper cups filled with red liquid med.
Pt’s were essentially unconscious. My job was to angle the liquid into
their mouth. (I did that carefully, btw) One cupful q 5-10″. I was 18!
At the same time, and for years to come…Nsg aids, that was the term,
gave meds, changed IVs, changed dressings, and did other treatments.
Most particularly on nocs when one RN, or even LPN, was the only nurse.
She had 30 some charts to do b4 the morning. That is the real world.
Nursing Science at UW. BSN, 30 yrs of practice. IV?
Not at that VA, on that neuro-psych ward, in the 70’s.
What I say is entirely true. ICU? Nope, open wards. No private
rooms. I saw atrocities there. Regards the chloral hydrate…sedation
was the goal. Eventually the patient “slept” hard. Still strapped to the
hard cart btw. Caveat? I was being “supervised by an RN.” Usually
an “army nurse” and 1/3 African. They were doing the best they could
with what they had. Kerlix? No, rags…and they were washed and reused
at that.
On weekends they put me wherever. The things I saw were heartbreaking.
And remember, my power was zip. There were docs around, sometimes
Chinese, or Korean. Sometimes they argued hard…but alas, different
languages. I once watched a guy bleed out from a cut-down while the
docs argued. The blood hit the ceiling. They didn’t notice. Bad VA.
@Bea,
They didn’t have DNR then…even 20 years later.
I once asked my stern supervisor (good hospital)
why they were doing a full code on a 3/4 or 100% dead
patient. She stated, “if they don’t practice, how
will they learn.” Shite, as a new grad. a nurse told me,
(laughing) lucky for you/re: wound care, “they discontinued
the cages last week.” Cages? said I. They were using
maggots to clean wounds.
Moral = avoid hospitals, or have an advocate around the
clock. I did that for my Mom. Had to check for the correct
IV, eg. An advocate also helps prevent other “accidents.”
Heck, I’m old but not that old.
@T4C
sorry, I am on a roll…
No more LPNs…or ADNs
Baccalaureates only….sounds good but it isn’t.
The “old CNAs” are now “medical assistants.”
They can be “trained” to do anything. They
work under Nursing supervision…ha ha ha.
The RN is charting or appeasing family members.
Catheter tubing falls on the floor…no problem.
Clinic staff: wearing the same gloves for hours?
Then drawing blood? No problem. JCAHO violation/10K?
Who is reporting? I once called out a kid drawing my
blood in the lab/clinic (MD owned)…response, “But I’m
wearing gloves.”
T4C,
Do you work at the Mayo Clinic? Me? I “retired” early.
It all went to complete shite when the hospital changed
hands/merged and the clients were 50% medicaid.
Okay…I’ll stop now…my BP flew up. Calming down.
Ha! As I’m reading this, I think of Gregg Allman saying that alcohol is the most addictive drug he’s ever seen- and there’s 42 comments.
Then, I find this- without lookin’ for it-
http://rulefortytwo.com/articles-essays/music/the-allman-brothers-band/
Read it, monkeys.
That’s an old article, ain’t it acetinker? I sho’ nuff remember Duane and them in concert. Good old days.
So, to Greg, alcohol is more addictive than heroin. Well, he should know. I wouldn’t argue with him .
“LLPOH’s dream. Is marijuana worse than alcohol (purposely vague)? Is Colorado the launching point of a massive drug trade? Is marijuana a gateway drug, if so, what is not a gateway drug? Is sugar / high fructose corn syrup a drug? Caffeine?”
1. No, its not worse.
2. No, because soon other states will have it as well.
3. No, but addicts will seek a fix of whatever they can get.
4. Technically sugar and HFCS are metabolized nutrients that the body directly uses, so they aren’t classified as a drug.
5. Caffeine is a drug.