I know i’m a little maff challenged. But there are 150 years between the battle of gettysberg and this 82 year olds letter.
Southern Sage
May 22, 2016 8:40 am
To Boston Bob and Admin,
Thank you so much for publishing that letter. The men who fought for the South (including all of my male ancestors of military age) knew in their hearts what was coming. They were not highly educated for the most part but they were no fools. However they felt about slavery what they feared was what they saw right in front of them: A heartless, greedy, grasping, corrupt, brutal financial class growing in the North, a class that would eventually devour everything in its path, destroy our rights and leave America a wasteland of a handful of wealthy plutocrats surrounded by a vast mass barely able to feed their families. Even in 1860 the future was clear to those who would open their eyes – Lincoln was a corporate lawyer for the railroads and his colleagues would rape the public lands of this country in their favor. The South is blamed for the war. Really? For demanding that Northern troops leave South Carolina? Has even the most fanatical South-hater ever suggested that the Confederacy had any designs on any of the Northern states? Of course not. Confederate incursions in the North, such as Gettysburg, were meant to either bring the war to a close or distract Union forces, nothing more. As I have said many times before here on TBP (and have chided my fellow Southerners) there is no excuse for any American in 2016 to hold grudges or hard feelings against any other American because of what happened in 1861-65. The men who fought have all gone to their rewards or not, as the case may be. What we need to do is realize that the real American faces a mortal threat and every American who loves this country and the principles upon which it was founded must form a solid, unbreakable front against the Domestic Enemy. We, too, are at war. And we are going to win.
Southern Sage
May 22, 2016 8:47 am
Starfcker,
Um, yes, you are a bit challenged. What is strange about an 82 year old man having a letter written by his grandfather in 1863. Let’s see. He was born in 1934. He father could surely have been born around 1895. His grandfather, if a young man in 1863 (20?), 55 or so at the time his son was born. Nothing unusual in the South as men often had to delay marriage for reasons of poverty.
My great-grandfather fought through the entire Civil War. I am 60. My great-grandfather was born in 1842. By grandfather was born in 1887. My Dad was born in 1926. Do the math, numbskull.
overthecliff
May 22, 2016 8:57 am
Jefferson Smith was a prophet.
TC
May 22, 2016 9:03 am
@starfckr – you’re assuming the letter was published last year.
starfcker
May 22, 2016 9:06 am
Sorry sage, my maff is better than your reading comprehension. His grandfather DIED in 1863 (p. 2). Ooops.
starfcker
May 22, 2016 9:06 am
TC, letter was written and published in 2013.
starfcker
May 22, 2016 9:10 am
Numbskull?
Anonymous
May 22, 2016 10:15 am
There were many reasons for the Civil War (aka the “war of Northern aggression”), slavery was actually a minor one.
Slavery was just promoted as the reason to justify it and get the people of the North to rally behind it (and is still used that way today).
If it was really just an end to slavery that was wanted, that would have been accomplished without any violence or war involved over the next few decades by the rapidly progressing mechanical agriculture machinery that would have made slavery uneconomical
The people would have accepted its end peacefully without a war as more and more of the former slaves were freed by their owners to get out from under the cost of supporting them and the disparity between free blacks and slaves would become seen as injustice by almost everyone.
But the real reasons were actually economic, and to a lesser degree political, reasons that the powerful and wealthy in the North desired to be put in place for their own benefit.
Greg in NC
May 22, 2016 10:17 am
The North did not win the war of northern aggression nor did the south lose. All of the citizens of this once great union and all of the states were subjugated by the federal goobermint and the banksters and therefore were the losers.
We have continued to let this out of control goobermint inc. subjugate and steal from us since that time. We are nearing the end of this society and I know not what will emerge but I know well it will not be painless.
If one were to truly read and understand why the war was fought the big picture would come in focus. I suggest this article by Chuck Baldwin…
I’m 56 and my father’s Uncle Henry was wounded at Chickamauga in 1863 and lived until the 1920s with a minie ball lodged in his hip. My father was born in 1902. Here’s Tammy singing about the War of Northern Aggression and the Antebellum South in 1976 with the song: “Dixieland(You Will Never Die)
I suppose there were many reasons but this quote from Abraham Lincoln always gets my attention.
I have two great enemies , The Southern Army is in front of me and the ( northern ) bankers are in the rear . And of the two ,the Bankers are my greatest foe.
Rise Up
May 22, 2016 3:58 pm
@Greg in NC. Yes, that Chuck Baldwin article is excellent and I believe it was the subject of some TBP posts last year when the confederate flag controversy flared up. It points out the duplicity of Lincoln:
“Lincoln proposed an amendment to the U.S. Constitution PRESERVING the institution of slavery. This proposed amendment was written in March of 1861, a month BEFORE the shots were fired at Fort Sumter, South Carolina.”
Southern Sage
May 22, 2016 5:54 pm
Starfcker,
You got me on that. Still, if the dead soldier had a son born in 1864 that son could possibly have had a child late in life. I find it unlikely that the guy who sent the letter in merely made it up. But, apologies anyway. Yo maf skills are impressive!
Southern Sage
May 22, 2016 5:58 pm
I note that even Lincoln – who was, at heart, a great American – by late in the war was disgusted by the wealthy elite in the North. In late 1864 a new draft was called for and Chicago had to provide several thousand men. The wealthy businessmen and politicians of Chicago (few of whom served, of course) called on Lincoln, begging him to reverse the order, as the war-weary Northern working class was ready to lynch the men who they were starting to believe started the war for their own interests. Lincoln exploded in rage, telling them that they were as responsible for the war as the Confederates and to go back to Chicago and find the men he needed.
Southern Sage
May 22, 2016 6:04 pm
Wait! Wait! I apologized to Starfcker too soon! I have just been informed by a noted authority on the subject that dead people in the South often wrote letters after they were dead. They voted, too! of course, they were all Democrats back then.
Let’s not forget that Lincoln’s war was the first republican revolution. That rotten party was formed to overthrow the Constitution, not to free slaves.
When I was a kid, the old folks in South Carolina had a name for Southerners who voted republican: scalawag.
SpecOpsAlpha
May 23, 2016 5:48 am
Two of my great-greats helped burn down Atlanta with Uncle Billy (Sherman). They looted a jewelry store and got enough to start the family business at that time. Its all about the dollars, boys.
Ed
May 23, 2016 1:03 pm
“Uncle Billy (Sherman).”
That’s what his bummers called him. My nickname for him is Bedbug Billy. There was Bedbug Billy Sherman, Firebug Phil Sheridan, and The Sot (y’all can guess who that was), Massa Abe’s henchmen.
After their revolutionary overthrow of the Constitutional order, these assholes were used by the radical republicans to slaughter Plains tribes and to expand their empire. It’s a sad commentary on the historical ignorance of Black Americans that they revere the “buffalo soldiers”.
Those deluded former slaves and renegade Seminole maroons (the name for black Seminoles, not the contemporary term for morons) served the New England fanatics by engaging in the slaughter of indian men, women, children and elderly people.
The success of the first republican revolution led to decades of plunder, murder and and other crimes against humanity. That history is why Southerners despised the black heart republicans in general, and New England yankees in particular.
During the military occupation of the former Confederate States, land was taken by force, Southern men were disenfranchised, robbed and imprisoned on Dry Tortugas for no reason other than to facilitate the theft of their family property, and illiterate former slaves were elevated to political office and the judiciary, as masters over former Confederates. That’s the basis for the racial division in the South, not any ignorant tribal hatred of black folks, just the memory of how they served the Carpetbagger overlords.
People have long memories, but apparently, not long enough. Southern men have been brainwashed in public schools to forget history and to join the political descendants of the same people who robbed and murdered their ancestors. They fuck themselves and their fellow Southerners by becoming scalawags, willing dupes in the GOP’s Big Tent, where the rank and file are roped in to be cornholed at the leisure of the republican party establishment.
It’s sad that, instead of breaking away and forming their own party once the democrat party merged with the republicans, the Dixiecrats joined what they thought was the opposition to the communist democrats.
That was a great con-job they fell for, when they switched from being slaves to the red democrats to being convicts imprisoned by the black republicans. The con-job of naming GOP states “red states” and democrat states “blue states” was another example of the single party fraud.
They are the same, and there’s no home for thinking people in either one. Read the history. It’s available if you look for it.
I know i’m a little maff challenged. But there are 150 years between the battle of gettysberg and this 82 year olds letter.
To Boston Bob and Admin,
Thank you so much for publishing that letter. The men who fought for the South (including all of my male ancestors of military age) knew in their hearts what was coming. They were not highly educated for the most part but they were no fools. However they felt about slavery what they feared was what they saw right in front of them: A heartless, greedy, grasping, corrupt, brutal financial class growing in the North, a class that would eventually devour everything in its path, destroy our rights and leave America a wasteland of a handful of wealthy plutocrats surrounded by a vast mass barely able to feed their families. Even in 1860 the future was clear to those who would open their eyes – Lincoln was a corporate lawyer for the railroads and his colleagues would rape the public lands of this country in their favor. The South is blamed for the war. Really? For demanding that Northern troops leave South Carolina? Has even the most fanatical South-hater ever suggested that the Confederacy had any designs on any of the Northern states? Of course not. Confederate incursions in the North, such as Gettysburg, were meant to either bring the war to a close or distract Union forces, nothing more. As I have said many times before here on TBP (and have chided my fellow Southerners) there is no excuse for any American in 2016 to hold grudges or hard feelings against any other American because of what happened in 1861-65. The men who fought have all gone to their rewards or not, as the case may be. What we need to do is realize that the real American faces a mortal threat and every American who loves this country and the principles upon which it was founded must form a solid, unbreakable front against the Domestic Enemy. We, too, are at war. And we are going to win.
Starfcker,
Um, yes, you are a bit challenged. What is strange about an 82 year old man having a letter written by his grandfather in 1863. Let’s see. He was born in 1934. He father could surely have been born around 1895. His grandfather, if a young man in 1863 (20?), 55 or so at the time his son was born. Nothing unusual in the South as men often had to delay marriage for reasons of poverty.
My great-grandfather fought through the entire Civil War. I am 60. My great-grandfather was born in 1842. By grandfather was born in 1887. My Dad was born in 1926. Do the math, numbskull.
Jefferson Smith was a prophet.
@starfckr – you’re assuming the letter was published last year.
Sorry sage, my maff is better than your reading comprehension. His grandfather DIED in 1863 (p. 2). Ooops.
TC, letter was written and published in 2013.
Numbskull?
There were many reasons for the Civil War (aka the “war of Northern aggression”), slavery was actually a minor one.
Slavery was just promoted as the reason to justify it and get the people of the North to rally behind it (and is still used that way today).
If it was really just an end to slavery that was wanted, that would have been accomplished without any violence or war involved over the next few decades by the rapidly progressing mechanical agriculture machinery that would have made slavery uneconomical
The people would have accepted its end peacefully without a war as more and more of the former slaves were freed by their owners to get out from under the cost of supporting them and the disparity between free blacks and slaves would become seen as injustice by almost everyone.
But the real reasons were actually economic, and to a lesser degree political, reasons that the powerful and wealthy in the North desired to be put in place for their own benefit.
The North did not win the war of northern aggression nor did the south lose. All of the citizens of this once great union and all of the states were subjugated by the federal goobermint and the banksters and therefore were the losers.
We have continued to let this out of control goobermint inc. subjugate and steal from us since that time. We are nearing the end of this society and I know not what will emerge but I know well it will not be painless.
If one were to truly read and understand why the war was fought the big picture would come in focus. I suggest this article by Chuck Baldwin…
http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/3336/The-Confederate-Flag-Needs-To-Be-Raised-Not-Lowered.aspx
I’m 56 and my father’s Uncle Henry was wounded at Chickamauga in 1863 and lived until the 1920s with a minie ball lodged in his hip. My father was born in 1902. Here’s Tammy singing about the War of Northern Aggression and the Antebellum South in 1976 with the song: “Dixieland(You Will Never Die)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k41XqwHMTLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRJB036ev2Q
My Grand-mothers Grandfather starved to death because Sherman’s Bastards tore their house and barn down and stole ALL their food. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=im+a+good+old+rebel+braxton
I suppose there were many reasons but this quote from Abraham Lincoln always gets my attention.
I have two great enemies , The Southern Army is in front of me and the ( northern ) bankers are in the rear . And of the two ,the Bankers are my greatest foe.
@Greg in NC. Yes, that Chuck Baldwin article is excellent and I believe it was the subject of some TBP posts last year when the confederate flag controversy flared up. It points out the duplicity of Lincoln:
“Lincoln proposed an amendment to the U.S. Constitution PRESERVING the institution of slavery. This proposed amendment was written in March of 1861, a month BEFORE the shots were fired at Fort Sumter, South Carolina.”
Starfcker,
You got me on that. Still, if the dead soldier had a son born in 1864 that son could possibly have had a child late in life. I find it unlikely that the guy who sent the letter in merely made it up. But, apologies anyway. Yo maf skills are impressive!
I note that even Lincoln – who was, at heart, a great American – by late in the war was disgusted by the wealthy elite in the North. In late 1864 a new draft was called for and Chicago had to provide several thousand men. The wealthy businessmen and politicians of Chicago (few of whom served, of course) called on Lincoln, begging him to reverse the order, as the war-weary Northern working class was ready to lynch the men who they were starting to believe started the war for their own interests. Lincoln exploded in rage, telling them that they were as responsible for the war as the Confederates and to go back to Chicago and find the men he needed.
Wait! Wait! I apologized to Starfcker too soon! I have just been informed by a noted authority on the subject that dead people in the South often wrote letters after they were dead. They voted, too! of course, they were all Democrats back then.
The Bonnie Blue Flag:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5xdgYLuFCk
Let’s not forget that Lincoln’s war was the first republican revolution. That rotten party was formed to overthrow the Constitution, not to free slaves.
When I was a kid, the old folks in South Carolina had a name for Southerners who voted republican: scalawag.
Two of my great-greats helped burn down Atlanta with Uncle Billy (Sherman). They looted a jewelry store and got enough to start the family business at that time. Its all about the dollars, boys.
“Uncle Billy (Sherman).”
That’s what his bummers called him. My nickname for him is Bedbug Billy. There was Bedbug Billy Sherman, Firebug Phil Sheridan, and The Sot (y’all can guess who that was), Massa Abe’s henchmen.
After their revolutionary overthrow of the Constitutional order, these assholes were used by the radical republicans to slaughter Plains tribes and to expand their empire. It’s a sad commentary on the historical ignorance of Black Americans that they revere the “buffalo soldiers”.
Those deluded former slaves and renegade Seminole maroons (the name for black Seminoles, not the contemporary term for morons) served the New England fanatics by engaging in the slaughter of indian men, women, children and elderly people.
The success of the first republican revolution led to decades of plunder, murder and and other crimes against humanity. That history is why Southerners despised the black heart republicans in general, and New England yankees in particular.
During the military occupation of the former Confederate States, land was taken by force, Southern men were disenfranchised, robbed and imprisoned on Dry Tortugas for no reason other than to facilitate the theft of their family property, and illiterate former slaves were elevated to political office and the judiciary, as masters over former Confederates. That’s the basis for the racial division in the South, not any ignorant tribal hatred of black folks, just the memory of how they served the Carpetbagger overlords.
People have long memories, but apparently, not long enough. Southern men have been brainwashed in public schools to forget history and to join the political descendants of the same people who robbed and murdered their ancestors. They fuck themselves and their fellow Southerners by becoming scalawags, willing dupes in the GOP’s Big Tent, where the rank and file are roped in to be cornholed at the leisure of the republican party establishment.
It’s sad that, instead of breaking away and forming their own party once the democrat party merged with the republicans, the Dixiecrats joined what they thought was the opposition to the communist democrats.
That was a great con-job they fell for, when they switched from being slaves to the red democrats to being convicts imprisoned by the black republicans. The con-job of naming GOP states “red states” and democrat states “blue states” was another example of the single party fraud.
They are the same, and there’s no home for thinking people in either one. Read the history. It’s available if you look for it.