Is it a day which will live in infamy because the Japanese killed so many Americans in an unprovoked sneak attack on Pearl Harbor or because FDR provoked the attack, new it was coming, and did nothing because he wanted a reason to enter World War II?
‘Knew’ it was coming, and did nothing because he wanted a reason to enter World War II.
Jap code was broken before Pearl Harbor. Japs have never apologized – Fuck Them. Germany did apologize – good for them.
Read the book, Day of Deceit. There is no question that FDR not only knew the attack was coming but had spent months provoking Japan in ways he knew would strengthen the hand of the militarists in the Japanese leadership. The question is: Why the urgency to get into the war at that time? We had sat by for two years as France was overrun and Britain blitzed and not bothered to find a reason to actively intervene. Might it have had something to do with another event that occurred earlier in 1941? That was Operation Barbarossa, Hitler’s invasion of the Soviet Union, which, even after the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, was the darling of American “progressives.” Could it be that this kind of outrage was just what was needed to give the Democrats an excuse to openly aid their pals the bolsheviks despite overwhelming domestic opposition?
I wonder if we ever apologized for the despicable firebombings, nukings and other barbarisms.
Because FDR knew it (or a similar attack) was coming and he did not act to stop it. The goal was a politically viable “backdoor” entry into the war.
If FDR knew it was coming, that knowledge in and of itself is NOT what made that day A Day of Infamy. Although, one can argue it makes FDR look like a murderer (indirectly) and cocksucker.
No! 2,400 Americans died. THAT is infamy. The fucken Japs did it. By hanging the Day of Infamy on FDR, you are exonerating those slant-eye bastards. Don’t do it!!!
“Fucken slant-eyed bastards!!!!!!!!” America, FUCK YEAH!
USA! USA!! USA!!! USA!!!! USA!!!!!
History repeats and dumbfucks never evolve.
What FDR knew or didn’t know is speculation.
What isn’t speculation is that the Japs conducted a surprise attack without warning or declaring war first and killed 2400 Americans.
Americans that were thinking we were at peace and had no chance or reason to prepare for it.
Think about that as you drive around in your Japanese car today.
“What FDR knew or didn’t know is speculation.”
No, it’s not. Read the book, Day of Deceit, by Robert Stinnett.
Only a White House insider from that time would be privy to the thinking of FDR.
Stinnett was not a White House insider and bases his book on research that didn’t start till 1982 after most of the people who would know were already dead and those he he relied on are criticized as being of doubtful or otherwise questionable credibility.
In short, the book in not fact but speculation based on what is limited and quite possibly erroneous sources from decades after the fact.
You can find a book to support any view you want, but I suppose you are on the Jap side by blaming FDR instead of them? Everything bad in the world is Americas fault and the Japs are really the victims here?
That’s right! I’m pro-“slanty-eyed bastard!” I mean yellow-skinned, buck toothed, “slanty-eyed bastard.” Just the way good ol’ Dr. Seuss used to draw’em back during the “Good War.”
Anon….a document has finally been released that reveals our gov’t knew of the impending attack. I did not keep a ref to that document, but it was about 2-3 months ago.
September 11th 1941, Des Moines, Iowa.
Look it up.
Sounds just like America, September 11th 2016
Thanks for the reminder. I read that a couple of years ago and sent it to my father.
HSF:
Thanks for the suggestion.
You beat me to it. Charles’ speech. That speech still applies.
Pearl Harbor was a surgical operation against purely military targets. The few civilians injured or killed, or civilian property damaged were mostly due to US anti-aircraft artillery shells that fell back to earth.
The US response to Pearl Harbor was the famous Doolittle raid on Tokyo. Contrary to Pearl Harbor, it targeted mostly civilian structures and given a densely packed city, schools and hospitals were among the damaged. Now that was a Day of Infamy.
As for the original question, yes of course FDR used American servicemen in obsolete WW1 battleships as bait for the too eager Japanese, but it’s not like they had a choice. If they were going to have oil, they had to seize the Indonesian fields and refineries. To do that they had to get the US and British out of the way.
I criticize America often enough …. especially modern day America, from the shitfuk politicians to the dense moronic populace.
No doubt, America has committed evil.
BUT NOT EVERY FUCKING TIME!!!!!
From Columbus to the American Revolution to the present day, I have never ever read a positive comment about this country from you. In fact, you go out of your way to shit on whatever the topic is.
As far as I can tell, you’re not doing a goddamned thing to change this country. So, I think you should just move to a paradise more suitable to you. Get the fuck out of Dodge. You’ll be happier. I’ll be happier.
Now Stucky we should congratulate Z on a whole post where he did not mention Israel or Zionism.
Baby steps for our one trick pony for sure.
You confuse America with Political Elite. They are not the same thing.
Here’s one – GM makes decent pickup trucks.
Stucky, as Admin so often says, Blow Me. Listen n00b, my ancestors in this shitrag go back to the revolution so you can just kiss my ass. I also lost several relatives in that pointless pacific war.
I still remember the days when Stuck was infatuated with Zara when he thought he was a chick.
I always enjoy being reminded of the perfidy of the Joos. Do any other people have their own word like “perfidy”?
JIMSKI says:
December 7, 2016 at 8:55 am
Now Stucky we should congratulate Z on a whole post where he did not mention Israel or Zionism.
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I’ll work on that angle later 🙂
I am stunned that my post @7:38Am already has 7 thumbs down.
What level of HATE AMERICA is this place becoming? Seriously … you people prefer to blame an American President (be he good or evil) rather than the Japs and their sneak attack that killed 2,400 American servicemen?
What is wrong with out people? It’s embarrassing being associated with you ….. and I don’t care who you down-voters are, from Admin to Zara.
Maybe it’s because I called them (THAT generation) “slant-eye bastards”. If so, too bad ya snowflakes! I say the same thing about those fucken Krauts of THAT generation … and I is one.
I wasn’t even alive in 1941. But, my dad was, and he was in the Deutsche Wehrmacht. If anything, I should be on the JAP side — since they were on the same side as the Germans. But, I’m not. Amazing, that an Austrian immigrant defends America in WWII, while some Americans here defend someone else. We really do live in a Bizarro World.
Stucky, much like your issues with roofing, concrete and hardwood floors your problem isn’t intent, it’s information.
Declassified documents (still heavily redacted) show that on December 4th Naval Intelligence sent the following communication to FDR-
“In anticipation of open conflict with this country, Japan is vigorously utilizing every available agency to secure military, naval and commercial information, paying particular attention to the West Coast, the Panama Canal and the Territory of Hawaii.”
As Snopes would say,that “debunks” the conspiracy theory that FDR had no idea of any threat to US interests in Hawaii and was as surprised by Japan’s attack as anyone else. I have heard that “fake news” on NPR at least four times this morning as well as conservative talk radio.
Tyler Kent (the WWII version of Julian Assange) had transmissions that he attempted to smuggle out of England in order to inform the American public about FDR’s clandestine plan with British officials to join the war despite his 1940 platform that specifically stated “I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars.”
FOIA documents requested by Robert Stinnett a WWII Naval Veteran discovered the following-
Roosevelt’s plan to provoke Japan began with a memorandum from Lieutenant Commander Arthur H. McCollum, head of the Far East desk of the Office of Naval Intelligence. The memorandum advocated eight actions predicted to lead Japan into attacking the United States. McCollum wrote: “If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better.” FDR enacted all eight of McCollum’s provocative steps.
I could go on like this for another 2,000 words, but you have a computer and Internet access. All you need is the interest and an open mind.
Once again, the American people and the Political Elites are not the same thing. Pointing out the calumny of one does not imply the guilt of the other.
Try to provoke an attack does not mean he knew when and where such an attack would happen. Intelligence did not break Japanese naval-and therefore military as opposed to diplomatic-codes until after Pearl Harbor.
That’s the kind of parsing that leads people to believe that #pizzagate is “fake news”.
If Yamamoto himself didn’t sit at a table with FDR, maps spread before them discussing the attack on tape, then he didn’t “really” know, did he?
FDR ran on a platform that was supported by 90%- that’s right, 90% of the American public to stay out of the war. It has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that during the entire lead up to Pearl Harbor FDR was working in collusion with the British in order to enter the war using whatever pretext they could find. His commanders drew up a list of recommendations that would push the Japanese to react in a provocative and hopefully military fashion against US interests in order to give us a reason to join in.
You want to believe that FDR was some kind of naif, go ahead, you won’t be alone.
Again,
“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don’t believe, no proof is possible.”
Blow me, HF.
Fuck you and your douchebag argument. You don’t know shit from shineola.
Stick to what you know. How about you go back to the thread about farming …. and answer’s Llpoh’s question, a picture question, to make it easier for you. The one where you think tractors and stuff had minimal impact on farm productivity increases. I love that story. But, noooo, you’d rather high-tail and run.
Why the fuck are you talking about FDR supposedly knowing about the attack before it happened? I don’t give a shit. What does it matter. Admin’s comment ALREADY ASSUMED that FDR had foreknowledge of the attack. That wasn’t the question Mr. Farmtractor Denier.
Read for comprehension. Admin posted an either-or question. Here, lemme restructure it for you;
—–A) Given; FDR knew the Japs were going to attack PH
—–B) Given; “the Japanese killed so many Americans in an unprovoked sneak attack”
Here comes the question. Pay close attention.
Q: WHICH IS WORSE — A or B?
Both, is not an acceptable answer. Neither is not an acceptable answer. I don’t know is not an acceptable answer. “A” is an acceptable answer. “B” is an acceptable answer. IS there any chance in hell you can understand that.
Now, to you and your fellow American hating faggots — while “A” is an acceptable answer only as one of two available choices …. the fact that you would choose an American President for infamy, rather than the only other available choice, the Japs, … makes you all loathsome pieces of un-American dog shit, and America is a morally poorer nation because of you. You should all move to California and let Mark Dice interview you cuz the Moran Store called and they’re running out of you.
I’ll leave it to others to decide who has a better grasp on the subject matter.
The answer is A because a traitor in your midst is far more of a threat than an enemy to your front.
I didn’t respond to Llpoh because he has already demonstrated ill-intent towards me on a personal level and in the thread you’re referring to he admitted he stopped reading my post after two sentences. Why would any rational person respond? His opinion, my opinion- neither are likely to change and neither of us cares. I’m discussing the things I believe based on my life experience and the data and information I have processed. You are especially fractious and irritable and I’m not interested in engaging you when you act out.
HTH
They hurt your feelings? You act like pussy in return. that is a good tactic maybe.
Stucky
Sorry I missed this whole thing. Out and about working with the local x-country ski club. It should be a good winter for skiing. I love this global warming.
HSF never misses a chance to virtue signal and float a conspiracy.
Moon Landings
Flat Earth
Beginning of Life
PizzaGate
Shouldn’t be a shock to see him latching onto the “Let’s blame it on FDR” thread even though the question wasn’t even asked. Option A or B easy right. I don’t get it. The guy was in Airbourne gets called on his bullshit and instead of coming out swinging gets all passive aggressive.
Leave it to others to decide. What the fuck does that even mean! Yup HSF never misses a chance for asking for heaps of praise on his altar. He is a TV doctor. Looks good but don’t know shit…
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Rob, you allow your emotions to get the better of you. Not engaging people who are in the midst of an emotional breakdown is not “passive aggressive”, it’s common sense. Do you have children? When they have a meltdown you don’t pour on the heat, you give them a breather.
I have explained why I didn’t respond to Llpoh on the other thread- we’ve had plenty of positive interactions since he pulled out white supremacist card on me and dragged my real life onto this blog because A) I don’t hold grudges and B) he let it drop. The thing about farming looked like it was escalating in way that wasn’t constructive, certainly wasn’t a discussion and wasn’t going to be resolved so I dropped out of it. It’s a shame because we probably would have come to an understanding once we clarified a couple of definitions, like technology and farming, but not every interaction turns out the way you’d like it to. I thought I explained that fairly well, but you either missed the post or deliberately overlooked it.
With Stucky once he gets into his foul-mouthed routine I check out. Lot’s of folks enjoy it and that’s cool, but I’m not into that kind of thing as my posting history attests. It doesn’t mean I don’t respect him and admire a great deal of what he does- I do- I just don’t want to engage in that kind of discourse.
I respond to the things that I find interesting and I stay away from the ones I don’t. I usually don’t add my thoughts if I don’t know anything about the topic, but if I do, I contribute and while you may not agree with or benefit from those posts, some people do, that’s the beauty of a forum environment, it’s like a buffet, you pick and you choose.
I posted on this thread for several reasons:
1) My family had a personal connection to Lindbergh and his family. My Great-Grandfather built his house in Hopewell and was a close friend so I know a little bit more about him and his contribution to American history than some people do.
2) My family gave up the life of my Great-Uncle in 1942 at Kasserine Pass, another Great Uncle lost his leg at Anzio on his 18th birthday, another was MIA in the Pacific Theater for over three years and both my Uncle and myself served honorably in the US Army, both of US Army paratroopers with combat tours so I claim the right to express my opinion when it comes to how US military forces are used by their Government. You don’t have to agree with me, and as a Canadian you haven’t really got a dog in this fight.
3) It is clear from the historical record that FDR was a duplicitous and calculated politician who planned to enter the war against both his campaign promises and the wishes of 90% of the Nation’s population and he did so at great cost to the families that lost their loved ones and zero cost to his own. As I stated before I consider a traitor in our midst a greater threat than an enemy to our front. Virtually everyone thinks of him as some kind of saint so I am unsure why my dissent would cause such angst. Is no one allowed to have an opinion that is not held by the majority? I have presented my evidence and for me it is more than enough. A man who lies knowingly to the people he represents, breaks the vows he made before God and family so he can screw other women in secret and is a player in not only a mass slaughter of humanity while ensuring that for the next half of a century tens of millions will live in slavery is a disgrace to his office and to everything it means to be a good man. There’s nothing that will redeem him in my eyes.
You don’t like the things I write about, the way I put them, the kind of person I am and yet you feel compelled to read my words. What’s that all about, Rob? There have been plenty of readers from TBP who know me personally from coming to visit and some who have become friends and they can tell you that the life I write about and the one I live are as close to the same thing as one can get. I’m not trying to convert, lead, impress or move people to do anything other than to live their lives in the best way that works for them. I value honesty, integrity, grit, and a whole host of arcane and outdated principles and values that the majority of the modern world ridicule and mock daily. You aren’t the first and you won’t be the last.
I’m no psychologist, but the word projection comes to mind. And that isn’t passive aggressive, that’s just an observation.
The FDR admin was packed with reds. They weren’t exactly 100% Americans.
Alger Hiss being the most notable.And they almost certainly prolonged the war by repeatedly blocking Japan’s attempts to surrender.Some of the most brutal fighting in the Pacific was unnecessary,costing far in excess of 100,000 Japanese & American lives.Think how much both countries could have used those men & their descendants.
Stucky – how did you ever get on this website?
It is going 50-50 now Stuck.
Stucky says:
December 7, 2016 at 10:45 am
I am stunned that my post @7:38Am already has 7 thumbs down.
What level of HATE AMERICA is this place becoming? Seriously … you people prefer to blame an American President (be he good or evil) rather than the Japs and their sneak attack that killed 2,400 American servicemen?
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How can you be so dense? The Japanese did what the Japanese were supposed to do. They were defending the interests of their country in the only way open to them, and they did it as humanely (in this instance) as any other military has ever done. FDR on the other hand, was a war criminal who deliberately put his countrymen in imminent peril to suit his own political purposes.
Please take whatever guilt you have about the misdeeds of Nazi Germany and will all due respect, shove it up your ass.
Thank you.
Stupid dick.
You cry “FOUL!!!” whenever America is in any war, in any time period, and for any reason. America is always guilty.
But, some sneaky slant-eyed Jap bastards travel thousand of miles to ambush and kill 2,400 Americans? Oh wait … oh yes, wait …. you need to scan your one active brain cell ….. here it comes!! —– THEY WERE DOING WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO!!
Brilliant logic there, retard of retards.
You worthless shitfuk self-loathing white person …. as I said before, get the fuck out of dodge. Traitor. Cunt. I can’t believe I once fell in love with you.
Anata wa kurutta hito shusabetsu shugi-sha bakada. Aizenhawā wa sōdatta, doitsunin wa unzarida!
Not one single translator can translate that …. other than identify it as Japanese.
I assume it’s an insult. I assume you’re to much of a chickenshit to insult me in the language you hate, Engrish.
But, I can guess at some of it;
Aizenhawā … sounding it out, sounds like Eisenhower
sōdatta …. sounds like the German word for soldier, soldatten
wa … therefore must mean are/is
doitsunin ….. from watching war movies spoken in German (love Netflix) I’m pretty sure that’s Japanese for German
So, the second sentence must mean — “Eisenhower is a soldier, Germans are unzarida (in context, seeing how you are trying to insult me, it must be the opposite; coward? fools? crazy?
I’ll go with this; “Eisenhower is a soldier, Germans are crazy fools.”
Am I close?
Give me a hint on the first sentence, and I might be able to figure that one out also.
Stucky san,
first part message mean, “you are a crazy racist motherfucker.” Second part mean, “Eisenhower was right. Germans are poopypants.” You did well with second part. Both parts are correct.
“first part message mean, “you are a crazy racist motherfucker.” ——– Zara
OK, you are obviously trying to end this little shit-fest. I accept your capitulation.
Indeed, it is a capitulation. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have given me that supreme compliment … racist.
Goddamned right I’m a racist. I like white people.
You don’t, even though you are white. What’s Japanese for “go suck a diseased donkey dick!”?
Sakka Yaki Stakki?
OMG, they say love turns to hate. We are seeing a prime example of this.
I’ve also read that the opposite of love is not hate but indifference.
Hate is a continued involvement with the former love object.
It is the same energy expended in love but turned around to a negative emotion.
If you ever had a crazy ex-GF slash your tires, you know what I’m talking about.
It explains a lot about black/white relations.
FDR also bullied the Brits and French into providing the unconditional guarantees to Poland that led to their going to war with Germany, thus turning the German-Polish war into WW2:
Mainstream Jewish historian:
https://www.amazon.com/review/R1G7H48SQQAXD8/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1557780218&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=283155&store=books
Herbert Hoover:
http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/2012/05/poland-as-pawn-hoover-identifies.html
Hoover on the Pacific War:
http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/2012/05/hoover-unplugged-his-true-views-of.html
(…)
“I told MacArthur of my memorandum of mid-May 1945 to Truman, that peace could be had with Japan by which our major objectives would be accomplished. MacArthur said that was correct and that we would have avoided all of the losses, the Atomic bomb, and entry of Russia into Manchuria.
I said that the whole Japanese war was a madman’s desire to get into war. He agreed and also agreed that the financial sanctions in July 1941 were not only provocative but that Japan was bound to fight even if it were suicide unless they could be removed, as the sanctions carried every penalty of war except killing and destruction, and that no nation of dignity would take them for long. He said that Roosevelt could have made peace with Konoye in September 1941 and could have obtained all of the American objectives in the Pacific and the freedom of China and probably Manchuria. He said Konoye was authorized by the Emperor to agree to complete withdrawal.”
(…)
Hoover on Churchill’s rewriting of history:
http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/2012/05/hoover-unplugged-his-true-views-of.html
“One of the most difficult problems with which the objective historian will need deal is that of Winston Churchill’s’ account of the origins and course of World War II in “The Gathering Storm.”…He ignores his own published attitudes at the time of events and when it suits his purposes, he ignores the vital and fundamental forces of the time. These forces were:
First, Hitler was preparing a land war; his face was turned east for ‘Operation Lebensraum”; his attitudes toward the Western Democracies were a determination to brook no interference, even at a cost of preliminary war with them…. Yet Churchill’s actions and writings assume Hitler as the major enemy of democracy to the neglect of the other equally potent enemy.
Second. He ignores the policy of Britain, which no Englishman probably ever will admit, from 1934 to prior to the Polish Guarantee (March 26, 1939). That policy was by acquiescence or otherwise to strengthen Germany as against Russia. It was the balance of power policy which the British had practiced for 300 years as their defense against domination from the Continent.
If they had not departed from their traditional “balance of power” policy with the Polish Guarantee of March 26, 1939, they would have kept the Western Democracies out of the war, at least until the two satans were greatly exhausted by warring on each other.”
Funny, Churchill was England’s Minister of Navy when the Lusitania was loaded with munitions, Germany tried to tale out ads in all major US papers warning not to sail on it saying they’ll sink it, the ship sails on Churchill’s orders, gets sunk and Woody and Colonel House have the excuse to enter The Great War.
Little more complicated than shooting Spaniards after a coal bunker explosion and a hefty dose of Yellow Journalism, or any other debacle, but what the hell…
Hey, at least the Aircraft Carriers were “by chance” out to sea that day. Hint, hint, nudge, nudge, so no more, say no more…
No sense letting them have the good targets and hurt you too bad…. 😉
Hitler must have been really pissed at Japan for the attack. Hey, maybe somebody can do a spoof video with Hitler blowing up when he finds out they attacked Pearl Harbor.
11/25/1941 Naval Code Broken
Start at the 1:00 min mark
Gotta love Michael Rivero. That dude really has his shit together.
A few questions for some of you with a better knowledge base and critical thinking ability than myself.Just for the sake of argument I will concede that Roosevelt is as much at fault as Japan for Pearl Harbor.Why did he do that & was he justified?
The reason I have always heard is that he wanted us in the war to oppose Hitler’s Germany.Was his desire legitimate?Why did he want us to fight Germany?Was it because he recognized that Germany under Hitler was a threat to the world or was it because he was doing the bidding of other people,countries or organizations?
After the war we found that Germany was working on the bomb.After the war we found that Germany had a heavy bomber that could make it across the Atlantic to the mainland of the US and all the way down to central/S.America where it could be refueled.After the war we discovered that Germany had jet fighters that were not put into production because of the pressure put on Germany by the allies,aka the US.
Judging by what we know about him,if we had not gotten into the war and Germany had conquered Europe & England,would Hitler have left us alone?If the answer to this question is no,was Roosevelt justified in getting us into the war?
Go listen to the Des Moines speech.
Say what you like about Lindbergh, but he was an honest, loyal American who never put the lives of his fellow Americans at risk. He was also an intelligent and deeply thoughtful man who put his reputation on the line and sacrificed it in the name of peace.
His words resonate today as they did in 1941 and history has shown that he was correct in his assessment.
HF,I have listened to the speech several times.I agree that Lindbergh was a good loyal American.I have seen his name spat on by the media over the years but never took the time to research why.The reason I have always heard is that he was a Hitler sympathizer.Isolationism does not make either a nation or it’s citizens evil so I have no quarrel with Lindbergh.I agree with the basic premise of his speech.I only believe that we should intervene militarily when it is in our national self interest.
However,I believe that Hitler was no 3rd world dictator who was unable to export problems to the rest of the world.I believe that he was a threat to the entire world,including the US.I give Roosevelt credit for recognizing the threat and acting on it.
If you believe that Hitler would have stopped at the water’s edge then Roosevelt was wrong.If you believe that Hitler would have set sail in our direction then Roosevelt was correct.
That’s what the Coast Guard is for, duh….
Hard to say if Hitler would have left America alone, but Hitler lost the war when the Germans attacked Russia.
Yeah. That’s another little tidbit they leave out of our history books.
WWII military and (civilian + military) deaths by country.
Soviet Union 8,800,000-10,700,000 (24,000,000)
Germany 5,533,000 (6,600,000-8,800,000)
USA 416,800 (418,500)
IS,do you know why the US #s are so low?We fought over there and had no significant # of civilian deaths.
Since the War of 1812 we have had an unwritten policy of fighting there,not here.Depending upon your view of the recent difficulty as to whether it was a civil war or a war between 2 separate nations we went from 1815 to either the 1860s or 2001 without major attacks on the heartland.
I am aware of that unwritten policy. Seems to me that we had no reason to get involved at all except to do the bidding of our banker overlords.
Forget civilian deaths. Just looking at military deaths, the SU bore the brunt of the heavy lifting. They lost 8,800,000 men on the low end end. I sincerely doubt the US would have “won” if the Soviets had not worn the Germans down.
Don’t forget the massive manufacturing capability given to the man from the “Island of the Jews”, the mustachioed maniac known as Stalin.
Also, don’t forget the 15 to 20 THOUSAND US POWs left in the Soviet Union after the war.
Elaborate on the American pows please.
Disagree.He could have pulled back & taken Europe.Once he had Europe’s manufacturing & men he could have gone after them again.
He lost the war starting 75 years ago today.
There is a good case to be made that if Hitler simply waited one more year to invade Russia — 1942, instead of 1941 — that Germany would have defeated them. With Russia defeated, what would have stopped him from eventually becoming The One World Leader? The question isn’t so much WOULD he have left us alone but, …. WHY would he?
WWII was America’s last “good” war, and Roosevelt was justified. (Of course, Zara’s dick is about to explode right about now.)
Stuck, didn’t somebody say recently that Hitler’s adviser told him to get the best peace terms he could because they were going to be outdone in manufacturing of munitions by Russia, England and the US? Sounds like they were fucked from the start.
Also, he sent his troops to face the Russian winter with inadequate coats. How’s that for fucked up? Therefore, no need to bemoan the fact that he could have been The One World Leader.
Patton kicked German behind. That’s why he had a movie made about him and not Rommel.
If that was said, then it was said after Hitler invaded Russia. Before the war, Russia’s war capacity was significantly less than Germany’s.
Yes, the Germans were fucked from the get go. Because Hitler. The egomaniac thought he was a brilliant General. He was not. Results may have been much different if he let his real Generals prosecute the war.
No idea if true but I saw an article once that Stalin & Hitler were each going to pull a surprise attack on the other & Hitler beat Stalin to the punch.
“Patton kicked German behind. That’s why he had a movie made about him and not Rommel.” ———- El Coyote
So, you’re writing opinions based on which movies Hollywood makes? That’s nice. Just when I thought the level of stupidity had peaked, you scaled it up a notch.
You’re a religious guy. What if when we get to the Pearly Gates the Lord asks “Why did you spend so much time among imbeciles?” Won’t that be a bitch?! Take heed, make changes in how you spend your time, or else!
Stuckeroo, when, pray tell, did I ever say I was a religious guy? Even when I went to church, we heard that we were not religious. I would have begged to differ but now, eventually, you have me – Fidencio Reveles – non-religious commentator.
I’ve been here long enough to have offended every conceit and sensibility. Hardly a religious person. But I don’t bill myself as a heathen for hanging around some of the most obdurate of pagans. I’m just here to keep an eye on you guys, make sure you don’t eat each other alive:
But if you bite and devour each other, be careful that you don’t get eaten up by each other! …. If you are not careful, you will find you’ve eaten each other alive!
Too many of you are swallowing the Pablum put out by Faux Fox News and Commie News Network. We are the greatest calamity to ever befall this planet. All under the banner of democracy and liberty. Don’t believe the books and documentation presented so far?
I came across documents that both Stalin and Churchill knew in July and we are to believe they didn’t inform FDR? I found it studying weapons of WWII. I had no interest in pearl harbor at the time. I’m not offering links because its a waste of time because you are invested in your lie. Anyone read Antony Suttons work. Full of Proof that we funded both sides prior to the war.
I suppose some of you think we didn’t create ISIS, that some out of work camel jockey”s in black ninja suits and white Toyota trucks with .50 cals. were invisible to a pentagon that can get your plate # on your car from space.
I grew up on the propaganda pablum of the 50’s and early 60’s and the false flag of Vietnam cost me half a lifetime. I was there for the 68 Tett offensive and 2 more offensives after that because I wasn’t going to disgrace my Mother by deserting or going to Leavenworth and getting a BCD after I realized it was all a sham. I’ve spent the sane half of my life trying to expose the lies and change the government but have little to show for it except the bruises I get from the commie hippies and the Faux republican Rah Rah America the Great crowd. I’m an American and I’m not going anywhere. I hope we can own up to what we are and change it. We can’t blame it on the Deep State or the Rockefellers and Morgans, Bushes, Clintons or Obama. 90% of us gave it a wink as we were getting something out of it.
Ain’t that the truth.
Still got the eye to make a yarmulke spin like a top at 400 yards? ?
We are all to blame… come on a little levity, and a Canuckistan band to boot…
Realize we spend our lives living in a culture of fear.
Stand to salute; say thanks to the man of the year.
How did we all come to this? (You can’t define me or justify greed)
This greed that we just can’t resist! (Resist!)
And we’re all to blame,
We’ve gone too far,
From pride to shame,
We’re trying so hard,
We’re dying in vain,
We’re hopelessly blissful and blind
To all we are,
We want it all.
Everyone wants it all with no
sacrifice!
I have one more question about this.If we knew the attack was coming,why didn’t we pound the hell out of them?The attack is what aroused the sentiment for war,not the devastation.We could have neutralized the Japanese navy.Roosevelt would have had his war and we could have put more of our forces into Europe,which is what Roosevelt wanted.
90% of the American population was against our involvement. FDR ran on the platform that we would not enter the war. The only way to alter that was for us to be attacked first. He engineered the attack and allowed it to happen as an acceptable loss in order to change that reality.
RiNS
Thank the good lord for your voice of reason @7:41AM.
It’s not just HF. You can see from the voting that even TBP is a divided nation … a roughly 50/50 split between the FDR crowd vs the Blame America-The Japs Are Innocent morans (they killed 2,400 Americans because that’s what they were “supposed” to do, according to one special retard.)
WTF??????
I shake my head in utter disgust, sometimes wondering what the fuck I’m doing here. But, there are folks like you — the other half of us here with functioning brains — that give me hope.
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Other: Heard on Sirius Radio, Breitbart News Hour, on my way to get coffee this morning …. an informal poll regarding who people want for Sec. of State. Mind you, this is Patriot Radio Network, a strong right wing site. The overwhelming majority want John Bolton. Second was Mitt Mormon. No one else was even close. The stupid in America burns brighter than ever.
“With Stucky once he gets into his foul-mouthed routine I check out. Lot’s of folks enjoy it and that’s cool, but I’m not into that kind of thing as my posting history attests.”
——- hardscrabble farmer
I am what I am. I can no more stop using the FUCK word than you can refrain from using 50 fucking adjectives to describe a falling leaf.
Not that I want this ….. but, if my “foul mouthed routine” so offends your snowflakey ears, and I just told you I ain’t changin’ my ways …. then your only solution is to stop responding to my comments.
A Jersey boy and a paratrooper …. offended by f words …. unfuckingbelievable.
Are you having some kind of problem processing written words this week? I never said that I was offended by them, I said I don’t want to engage in a conversation once it goes that direction. And it isn’t the words themselves, it’s the arrangement intended to cause offense. You think I don’t let them fly when I smash a thumb or take a fall? Please.
And you know why I use all those adjectives to describe the falling leaf? So it paints a picture for people. There’s no shame in having a vocabulary and being able to use it, even if the guy doing the writing is someone you don’t see eye to eye with. JHK is insufferable and every single week I read his stuff because he can write circles around most of the essayists alive today.
I enjoy 90% of the things you post- it reminds me of home, it’s always passionate, you never know what to expect (especially when cops are involved) and you are genuine. I RESPECT THAT.
When you’re all wound up and not even responding logically to anything I’ve written or ignoring the answers you were only posts earlier demanding, it’s not worth the back and forth. Mea culpa.
You really have to get out of NJ, for your blood pressure alone. Trust me on this.
There I was, in my late 40s, handcuffed to a hospital bed after an altercation with police. ( Won’t do into details …. except I was later released and no charges were filed.)
Wife was there bawling. I was pissed as hell. If I were to ever to have an elevated blood pressure reading it would have been then. It was BARELY above my normal blood pressure which is always in the 120/70 range. In fact, the nurse took it twice, thinking the first reading must have been an error. It wasn’t.
We just hired a new realtor, after interviewing a half dozen, we have to do some more shit (they strongly suggested we remove the living room carpet and redo the wood floors …yuck!), my mom’s wound is getting worse, Ms Freud’s daughter suddenly decided to come visit over Christmas, and Ms Freud got a spontaneous nose-bleed yesterday from the stress, and all I told her was “don’t worry about it”, and she fucken yelled at me (really) because she thought I wasn’t interested in what she believed might be her imminent death — “DOESN’T ANYTHING EVER BOTHER YOU??!!!” Not really, I said.
All that to say, except this fucking thread, HF !!!!! Really.
You’re right. Maybe I am indeed having trouble processing information. Maybe I’m misreading everything. It wouldn’t be the first time. Maybe I’m being too emotional. Maybe this, maybe that, maybe maybe ….
ALL I KNOW IS THAT 2400 AMERICAN SERVICEMEN DIED AT THE HANDS OF THE JAPS — AND TO PUT THE BLAME ANYWHERE ELSE EXCEPT THE JAPS IS PURE FUCKING BULLSHIT.
You’re either for us, or against us. And anyone who doesn’t like my opinion can go kiss my fat hairy white ass. And they can go fucking move to Japan since that’s such a righteous lovely country compared to us.
I bet my blood pressure must be 175/83 by now.
I’m done.
P.S. I generally don’t mean half the shit I say when I get really fucken pissed off.
“You’re either for us, or against us.”
I laughed. Hard.
Thanks for that.
Good! It’s ALL good between me and thee.
🙂 🙂 🙂