How Tesla’s Vehicle Deliveries Measure Up With the Big 3

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Harry, the Texas Patriot
Harry, the Texas Patriot
July 8, 2017 12:25 pm

And, if the taxpayer were not subsidizing this crap, Musk and his company would be in the toilet. If they cannot compete on a level playing field, I have no use for them. Besides, here in Texas, we often head out on a 500-600 mile trip in one day. Who wants to stop along the way and wait for a battery charge, assuming there is even a charging station. Even in remote West Texas, there are service stations for gasoline and diesel at least every hundred miles. And, filling the tank takes a mere few minutes.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 8, 2017 1:04 pm

Tesla’s doing a lot better than I thought it would be.

Being such a common car sort of takes away from the feeling of having something special for its owners I would think.

i forget
i forget
  Anonymous
July 8, 2017 4:16 pm

Goldman Sachs has done much better than it should. What has to be will be until it can’t be.

Hey, diddle, diddle,
The cat and the fiddle,
The cow jumped over the moon;
The little dog laughed
To see such sport,
And the dish Madoff with the spoon.

But now he’s spooning with Bubba.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j-A_TlL9ps

General
General
July 8, 2017 1:23 pm

The elites, or whatever you want to call them, are clearly pushing for non-polluting cars, IE electric. The fact that the energy has to come from somewhere isn’t important to them, as long as the pollution is create elsewhere. That’s the real reason Tesla is being supported so much.

DM
DM
  General
July 8, 2017 2:33 pm

Why can’t the energy come from solar? So many Tesla owners drive completely off of solar. Adding local battery storage from Tesla can take it completely off the grid. It’s getting today.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  DM
July 8, 2017 2:57 pm

Hopefully that won’t happen:

Study: Solar panels a looming toxic ‘crisis’

Flying Monkey
Flying Monkey
July 8, 2017 3:00 pm

A little off topic but it still relates to electric cars.

I did some interesting calculations yesterday regarding EVs batteries and the CO2 generation in their manufacture. There was a recent study in Sweden a week or two ago online about he CO2 payback on a car battery and how it was not so great. It compared two battery capacities; 30 and 100 kwhr (Nissan Leaf and Tesla).

The Swedish report states that 150 to 200 KG CO2 is expelled in the manufacture of a rechargeable car battery. The emissions are lineally proportional to the size of the battery. I found a PDF (www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/9/4/504/pdf ) online from Chinese EV builders estimating it to be 2700-3060 kg for a 27 kwhr battery.

That works out to 100 – 113 kg CO2/kwhr capacity. Once this data is known, is very straight forward to do some calculations. The data from both studies ranges from 100 to 200 kg CO2/kwhr capacity. It is kind of a wide range (100%) though.

Assume the battery lasts for 250,000 km. A battery’s life is a function of its use and its age. If you don’t use a Li-ion battery it will still degrade over time and it is also dependent on how fast you change and discharge it, as will as the number of times it is cycled.

A number/measure that is important in this industry is CO2/km. Think of it as opposite…a CO2 gas mileage. The lower the number the better. A 40 mpg gasoline car (5.875 Liters/100 km) will emit around 13.3 grams of CO2 per mile from burning gasoline. The CO2 output is entirely a function of mileage of the vehicle for a given fuel type.

Let’s assume the low end at 113 kg CO2/kwhr capacity and 250,000 km life. There are 1000 grams in a kg. The Nissan Leaf now has a 30 kwhr battery. 30 x 113,000 /250,000 = 13.56 grams/km. Even if the battery is charged from zero CO2 emission sources, It is no better on the CO2 balance calculation than a gasoline engine.

Sure, the EV without the battery has a lower carbon foot print since an engine and transmission have a lot more components than an EV, the literature online puts the EV at a 30-40% larger carbon foot print when the battery is included.

https://www.thegwpf.com/new-study-large-co2-emissions-from…/

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
  Flying Monkey
July 8, 2017 3:39 pm

Monkey…………. harmful CO2 (not) is a scam, so why give relevance to it.

Flying Monkey
Flying Monkey
  kokoda - the most deplorable
July 8, 2017 4:54 pm

It is a debate tactic. I just go on the assumption the CO2 s the issue and find ways around it. If the EV is to be a solution, it should not give off as much CO2 in the battery manufacture per km as a gasoline car in normal operation per km either. It only wastes resources from what I calculate. I did the CO2 calculations for electrical generation from coal and natural gas. Using coal you generated 138% more Co2 to charge and EV than CO2 from running it on gasoline. Using natural gas you generate about1/3 less CO2 than gasoline. As a mechanical engineer the transmission theory of the infrared spectrum, or lack of it, kind of gives me the feeling the chemistry is right. But i have had statics and know problems can be a lot more complication than a simple correlation….correlation does not imply causation.

I use another argument for the people that think we at an irreversible point with climate change. It is a tactic to neither admit or deny it, but to present arguments why there position is destined to fail anyway.

“People will always choose the benefits of the short term solution to the discipline and sacrifice required for a long term decision.

It is like the myth about the extinction of the peoples on East Island. They are down to the last tree. They look at each other and say what the heck, and cut it down. The rest is history.

People today can make long term sacrifices no better than before. People still smoke, although they know it is deadly long term to smoke. We are tempted into debt for the short term benefits despite the long term negativity. People still dump their trash on the road and don’t dispose of it responsibly. People still engage in wars even though history shows nobody comes out better. People still have children out of wedlock, although that is the surest way to poverty there is. People take drugs despite the health consequences it makes. People still drink alcohol knowing full well they might not have the self discipline to drink it responsibly. We even have zero interest rates to promote consumption on debt too so we can consume today and pay tomorrow.

If people can’t make simple decisions that have dramatically more consequences to their well being, how can they be expected to make the hard decisions on topics where they might never experience the consequences of their actions until it is too late?

People appear not to be reversible, so we are going down the irreversible road anyway.”

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Flying Monkey
July 8, 2017 3:43 pm

Add in that all you have to do when a conventional engine finally hits its lifespan is melt it down and reuse the component metals while batteries have huge toxic problem and lack of easy usability of their spent component materials to deal with.

There’s going to be a distinct amount of CO2 involved there as well.

And that is assuming CO2 is actually a problem, which may not be the case at all even though toxic remains from manufacture and disposal for batteries will definitely be one.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
July 8, 2017 3:51 pm

I guess govt subsidies don’t go as far as they used to.