Avoid a Harvey Hooptie

Guest Post by Eric Peters

As the waters recede from Houston, thousands of flooded cars will be aired out – and shipped out – to unsuspecting used car lots all over the country. Their titles as “washed” as their interiors (and the rest of them, too).

As OJ used to say – and will probably say soon again – look out!

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Ideally, these flood-damaged unterseebooten would be written off as collateral damage of the hurricane. But when there’s a buck to be made, people will try to make a buck. What happens is as follows:

The cars – many of them brand-new – are declared total losses and the dealership gets compensated by the insurance company. The cars ought to be recycled at this point – or parted out (some parts are still perfectly usable). But because it is not hard – for the expert crooked car seller – to pull out the carpet, dry the obvious things, clean the car up and then (critical) efface any mention of “salvage” or “flood damage” from the car’s title/vehicle history report – and then sell the seemingly near-new/low-miles car far, far away from the source of its swim, he does exactly that.

And this is a ride you do not want to take.

It’s always been bad news for a car to take a dip. Water in places it’s not supposed to get to – like underneath the carpets and underneath the headliner and inside the trunk – generates both funk and rust. The car will smell moldy no matter what you do, unless you douse it with some overpowering other smell – which is common procedure with flood-damaged cars. Mask the funk with the nose hair-curling aroma of artificial patchouli. This, by the way, is a Danger! Danger! Will Robinson! olfactory warning that something is very wrong with the car you’re looking at.

After the funk will come the rust.

The interior metal – underneath the carpets, under the headliner, in the trunk – was not meant to get wet and so is not generally rustproofed, as exterior panels meant to get wet usually are. Add to this the covering with carpet and other such that keeps the metal wet for a long time.

Flood-damaged cars rot out in weird and expensive to fix places. Like holes in the roof. Fred Flintstone-style holes in the floorpans are no fun, either.

But the real fun comes as a consequences of electrical components never meant to be immersed being immersed. Sensors on the engine; connectors in the wiring harness. The car’s ECU – the computer that runs the works. The body control module, which runs things like the power windows and door locks. The LCD/infotainment system. Imagine throwing your smartphone or laptop in the river, leaving it there a couple of days and then airing it out, wiping off the mud and then advertising it for sale on Craigs List.

A modern car is a smartphone/laptop – just one that moves and is a lot more expensive to deal with when it needs fixing.

And sometimes, isn’t worth fixing – just like a water-logged smartphone.

So, how to avoid one of these overly H2O’d Harvey Hoopties?

Don’t trust Carfax or any other title search service as 100 percent reliable. They are helpful, but not necessarily authoritative.

Do look for evidence of water penetration in areas that should never show signs of having been wet. These include: Under the hood; remove the pop-on/pop-off plastic engine cover that almost all new car engines have on top; if the underside shows mud or anything that suggests water, move on; be suspicious if a new/not-old car has had its sound-deadening removed. Pat the carpet, especially underneath the seats; feel for wetness. If you see water marks anywhere, forget it.

Drive the car with the windows rolled up and the heat on. Do this on a dry day. If you see fog forming by the air vents, it’s another Danger! Danger! Will Robinson! warning. You will probably smell funk, too.

Check all dash warning lights. They should all come on briefly when the ignition is first turned on, then turn off after a few moments. If some – especially the “check engine” light – don’t come on, it’s possible the bulb was pulled to make it appear that all is ok. Find out why the light isn’t coming on.

Look closely at the instrument cluster for signs of mist/haze on the interior side of the clear plastic. Check all head and tail-light assemblies for the same thing. Sometimes, you’ll see actual water floating around inside.

These are all inspections you can do – without tools or special knowledge.

It’s also always a good idea to get the car looked over by someone who does have specialized knowledge and tools. A professional mechanic you trust – who works for you, not the dealership where you’re thinking about buying the car.

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musket
musket
September 3, 2017 12:24 pm

Ground truth Eric…….spot on.

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 3, 2017 2:34 pm

The title history should still show if it was in Houston, it it was don’t buy it.

I think CARFAX is easily available and should contain all the necessary information you need to make an informed purchase. I know you have to pay for it, but the cost is minuscule to the problem of a flood salvaged vehicle.

MuckAbout
MuckAbout
September 3, 2017 2:54 pm

I know this is hard for TBPer’s to believe, but I bought a 2017 Prius yesterday – top trade on my old (2012 Prius) and lowest retail on the new one because of two things:

1. 2018 models are on the rail cars coming to town and
2. All the flooded and ruined cars in Houston will soon be shipped all over the USA to be sold to stupid and unknowing buyers.

So I bought my new car yesterday (11 miles on it) and it’s like flying an F-16. It will take me 6 months to figure out how to take off and land it! A really superior piece of engineering.

So those buying cars, beware the Houston Syndrome. A car that has been flooded, dried off, rehabilitated a tiny bit and sold as new or used. They are trouble city on a way to a car lot near you!!

muck.

Stucky
Stucky
  MuckAbout
September 3, 2017 7:34 pm

A Prius? Flying like an F-16?

Now THAT’S some funny shit right there.

llpoh
llpoh
  MuckAbout
September 3, 2017 7:40 pm

Muck, hope you bought that thing on a day to day lease, given, you know, your advanced age and all.

I presume you got it with it bifocal windshield?

(I crack myself up. Enjoy the new ride!)

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
  MuckAbout
September 3, 2017 10:25 pm

Probably a wise choice, but I’m keeping my 2012 Plug-in Prius until she clocks something near 300k. A little over 70k right now. I figure the off-lease glut will arrive about the time I’m ready to trade Suzie off.

Las Vegas Mobile
Las Vegas Mobile
September 3, 2017 3:10 pm

Actually, I believe the problem in the auto industry is excessive inventory on the docks and in the lots, and sub-sub-prime auto loans used to move what they could in an economy that has never recovered. Think “cash-for-clunkers” failure to goose the economy.

In other words, Hurricane Harvey may turn out to be a short-term boost for the auto industry; not to mention, I doubt a multi-million dollar dealership already out of room in a channel stuffed with unsold inventory would risk the entire enterprise over a few moldy, flood-damaged lemons.

Finally, if the buyer in far away places is not alert to the hidden damage, the lender already struggling with non-performing loans certainly will be. Below is the only solution:
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Ragnar
Ragnar
September 3, 2017 3:34 pm

Any vehicle that is a total loss by virtue of water damage is required by law to be titled as a “flood” vehicle, even for salvage purposes. It will have a distinct”flood” title that will clearly state that. Normally, by virtue of paying the full “total loss” value, the salvage becomes property of the insurance company, who disposes of the salvage. Anyone who falsifies or creates counterfeit titles and is caught, will end up jail, courtesy of the DMV and state police. In my state you cannot legally re-sell a “flood” titled car.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Ragnar
September 3, 2017 6:40 pm

they take them across state lines–

Anonymous
Anonymous
  TampaRed
September 3, 2017 6:56 pm

The title follows them.

Previous titles are searchable, there is a public record of them at the local DMV, and I don’t know of any State that allows salvaged vehicles to be re-titled as a normal vehicle that has never been totaled anyway.

Dave
Dave
September 3, 2017 4:30 pm

Have there been a ton of complaints about Katrina cars that have allegedly been resold?

ChrisNJ
ChrisNJ
September 3, 2017 9:43 pm

I bought a flood truck once, and I didn’t know it till later. I bought a ‘factory’ warranty, which the dealer didn’t want me to buy, but I insisted. All the lower mechanicals failed, one-by-one. The front differential, the rear differential, then the wheel bearings, etc… and I knew something was wrong. Didn’t coast me penny, but it did the manufacturer or their insurance company. I think it was up to $10-15K by the time I figured it out and said no-mas. Just the time in the shop (with a free rental) was too much to handle.