Are The U.S. Navy Crash Incidents A Result Of Hacks?

Originally Posted at Free Market Shooter

There has been a conspicuous number of crashes involving U.S. Navy destroyers and cruisers this year.  The destroyer USS John S. McCain (pictured above) is just the most recent incident, with several occurring earlier this year:

The McCain collision marks the fourth incident involving a US Navy warship based at Yokosuka this year.

On June 17, the guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald collided with a container ship off the coast of Japan. That collision resulted in the deaths of seven US sailors.

On May 9, the guided-missile cruiser USS Lake Champlain was struck by a small fishing boat off the Korean Peninsula.

And in late January, the guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam ran aground while trying to anchor in Tokyo Bay.

All four of the US warships are equipped with the Aegis missile defense system, which has been touted as a possible defense against any North Korean missile launch that might endanger US forces and US allies in Asia.

Recently, the US military, unable to come up with a cause for the incidents, began investigating something else – “compromised computer systems”:

The military is examining whether compromised computer systems were responsible for one of two U.S. Navy destroyer collisions with merchant vessels that occurred in recent months, Vice Admiral Jan Tighe, the deputy chief of naval operations for information warfare, said on Thursday.

Naval investigators are scrambling to determine the causes of the mishaps, including whether hackers infiltrated the computer systems of the USS John S. McCain ahead of the collision on Aug. 21, Tighe said during an appearance at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

The presumption that has been made is that these vessels are being hacked, China is the responsible party, given the proximity of the vessel crashes to the nation, as well as recent incidents where the US and China have butted heads.  But it is worth asking; are these vessels being hacked?  More importantly, if they are being hacked, who is hacking the vessels, and why?

The USS Fitzgerald After Its June 17th 2017 Collision

First, it is worth noting that if these vessels (notably all equipped with the Aegis missile defense system) have compromised systems, the collisions could be caused by any state actor, or even possibly any individual or group of individuals.  Though most of the collisions happened near China, they could presumably have been initiated by Russia, North Korea, or even an “ally” trying to test and/or demonstrate a weakness of the US Navy.

It’s somewhat surprising that no one has blamed Russia, especially in light of the nation’s advanced military capabilities, and, as Zerohedge recently (and jokingly) noted, recent events within our own government.  However, this makes the least sense of all; why would Russia feel the need to repeadedly test and/or demonstrate that it had the capability to commandeer US Navy vessels, killing our sailors in the process, and giving the information of their capability away to our military?

It could be presumed that China would do this to send a message to the US in response to increased naval activity and transits near their man-made military islands in the South China Sea, or in response to President Trump’s comments on the nation’s trade practices and/or handling of the North Korean situation.  Though it makes more sense than Russian hacking, especially in regard to showing a defensive posture towards US naval activity, like the Russia theory, it is still difficult to believe that China would knowingly and repeatedly demonstrate this capability over and over again, as opposed to keeping it safely tucked away in its arsenal for a time in which the nation really needs to use it.

Finally, it can’t be discounted that another state or group would be responsible for compromising these vessels.  The most obvious answer is North Korea, especially given Trump’s posturing and harder negotiation stance than his predecessors.  It also can’t be discounted that another state or group is doing this for entirely different reasons.

However, the capability to compromise the navigation of US naval vessels seems a bit above North Korea, or any other state or group aside from China or Russia. And, if they had the capability to do so, China and Russia have no particular “need” to repeatedly demonstrate this repeatedly, calling attention to the US Navy to develop countermeasures / a fix to the problem.

While it is indeed possible, it seems unlikely that theses vessels have had their navigation compromised.  If that is indeed the case, why are they crashing so often?

A far more likely scenario is that there is a problem with the Aegis system and/or other navigation systems on US naval vessels. The US Navy, known to cover up all sorts of problems in the past, would have every reason to mask the true reason behind these collisions if they are tied to a defective weapons system. Notably, the unreliable nature of the US ground-based interceptor program under questionable test conditions has led many to believe that the system is just another failed defense project sucking up billions of taxpayer dollars.  It is not far-fetched to believe that one of our deployed systems is operating with a serious defect that has been swept under the rug by the DoD.

It is also worth noting that US Navy vessels do not broadcast an AIS signal (which can be seen on www.marinetraffic.com) with their respective position, like nearly all other vessels, due to obvious security/defense reasons. You almost never hear news of large commercial ships crashing into each other, which is due not just to AIS, but due to the fact that they actively try to broadcast their position by other means, such as running lights.

Which brings in the possibility of simple human error from US Navy operators as being the cause of these crashes.  Could it be that simple complacency and/or lack of proper training has resulted in these incidents? Given the professionalism of our military, that seems unlikely, but it wouldn’t be the first (and almost certainly won’t be the last) time it has happened.

In conclusion, if hacking is indeed the culprit of these incidents, we will likely never hear that from the US Navy.  However, the possibility that these vessels were hacked remains far-fetched at best, largely due to the difficult nature of accomplishing such a task, who would be able to do it in the first place, and the lack of a good reason to give away such a military capability if it were available.

One would imagine that if any large nation knew about a major weakness to US Navy vessels, they wouldn’t broadcast it to the whole world. Unless…

 

Note: Not enough attention gets paid to the real victims here; the brave US Navy sailors who have lost their lives on board these ships.  Whether the US Navy decides to tell the public or not, hopefully they find out the cause sooner rather than later, so that these sailors didn’t die in vain.  

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Gator
Gator
September 15, 2017 1:43 pm

Navy ships don’t necessarily run with AIS secured and without nav light. In an extremely crowded area like where the fitzgerald hit that boat, its doubtful they were running secured.

I don’t buy the ship getting hacked for several reasons. One, its insanely complicated, and you would have to not only control the auto pilot, but every nav computer on the boat, both on the bridge and CIC. You would also have to ‘hack’ the people who’s job it is to stand there and stare out from the boat through binoculars, and the bridge watch. That boat will have several radars, all of which would have to be compromised. You would also have to hack the AIS, which is completely seperate, and show a ships position, course, and speed. It also displays an MMSI number which can be used to look up the boat, its last port of call, pictures or it, etc, on something like vesseltracker.com.

Here’s a more likely scenario – its driven and manned by a bunch of incompetent sailors, who very well may have gotten there through some kind of affirmative action nonsense, or social promotion, where pople get qualifications on things they aren’t competent enough to handle because no CO wants to get accused of racism or sexism for failing a black/women/whatever person on the oral board for underway watches. I’ve never been in the Navy, but I’ve seen it, many times. People given way more responsiblity that they are competent to handle, and you just sit back and wait for them to do something stupid, while hoping no one gets hurt. Also, they are probably spending more time doing mandated training on SJW type nonsense than learning how to sail their boat.

Never attribute something to highly complex malice when it can easily be contributed to stupidity and/or incompetence. Thats how Occam would slice it.

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
September 15, 2017 1:51 pm

A complete breakdown in seafaring culture, from top to bottom. The lookouts either failed or had their reports ignored. The radarmen failed to kep track. The bridge lookouts failed, the officer of the deck failed, and the C/O failed by not ensuring that he had competent people at every position. His C/O failed because he knew that the ship captain was incapable of taut management, and likely knew that many of the junior officers and petty officers were untrained and incompetent.

A complete failure of culture. God help them if they become hard targets in a shooting engagement.

Gator
Gator
  Brian Reilly
September 15, 2017 2:15 pm

I’ve had the same thought since these incidents staring becoming so frequent. They can’t even manage to exercise basic seamanship. How are you going to expect those people to fight their ship against an increasingly advanced and capable enemy if you can’t even manage to drive it without running into shit? They’ve probably gotten complacent since all they’ve done in decades is launch cruise missles from afar at defenseless dirt farmers.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Brian Reilly
September 15, 2017 2:55 pm

Wait, you mean this isn’t a video game?

TJF
TJF
September 15, 2017 2:14 pm

A lot of things have to go wrong for a collision at sea to happen. Once the investigations are completed, there will be 15-20 things that lead to each collisions and any one of them could’ve prevented the mishap. Think of a chain. Just have break a single link to break the chain. I don’t suspect hacking had anything to do with these events.

Chris P
Chris P
September 15, 2017 2:35 pm

I’ve worked on vessels in the oil field my whole life and have seen the decline in discipline and accountability. With so many wireless devices it’s almost impossible to keep people focused on their task. If they would disconnect the internet from these vessels and keel hull a few of the captains most of the problem would go away.

Dutchman
Dutchman
September 15, 2017 2:38 pm

Jesus H Christ – now we have Ad’s with two white faggots kissing.

One thing is if their software has been modified (hacked) while in port, it could possible cause such a problem.

Even if their AIS transponder was turned off, they would see the other AIS ships around them.

Brian
Brian
September 15, 2017 2:52 pm

Hacking, GPS spoofing, etc are all things that should be investigated. However IMO they are unlikely. What seems more likely to me is there is a breakdown of operational discipline.

However this was brought on is open for much debate. A large factor that I think contributes, is the shift away from the military from being an instrument of death to our enemies to a global force for good and social engineering experiments.

This shift has brought in the specter of PC and all kinds of other social variables, themselves variables as they are constantly changing. So sailors and their officers are constantly having to carve time out to attend mandatory training that in no way helps them with their jobs. Compounded with already tight schedules, operational tempos, manning and knowledge deficiencies…..you see where I’m going. There are many many variables that have come together to produce this shit sandwich.

See this article for the pillars of operational discipline. I expect there to many of these pillars that will be found to be grossly deficient when the final reports are compiled and put out.
http://www.wilsonperumal.com/blog/blog/the-pillars-of-the-program-operational-discipline-in-the-u-s-navy-nuclear-propulsion-program

I lived this for 6 years in Rickover’s torture program. Shortly after I exited the training pipeline, which used to fail approx 50%+, the standards were lowered in 1998…where now only 10-25% fail out. I expect if this happened for the nukes, the rest of the navy most likely followed suit. The fruit of which we are now seeing. The old salts who endured the old standards are retired or very near to retirement. It’s only going to degrade more unless a radical shift to the old ways isn’t implemented yesterday.

More craziness here:
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/09/12/navys-nuclear-fleet-shipyards-in-bad-shape-report-finds/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB+09.13.2017&utm_term=Editorial+-+Early+Bird+Brief

http://taskandpurpose.com/new-report-finds-navy-crews-undermanned-overworked-lack-training/?utm_content=tp-facebook&utm_campaign=news&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

TJF
TJF
  Brian
September 15, 2017 3:10 pm

Brian, I spent 20 years in “Rickover’s tortue program”. Although the old man was long gone by the time I came around, his legacy and influence were still strong. I do know the surface navy has been reducing the scope of ‘A’ schools in an effort to get enlistees out to sea as soon as possible and not waste time and money training them for them to just separate at the end of their first enlistment. They do not send technicians to the ships, they barely send operators. They leave it to ‘C’ schools to teach in depth maintenance and troubleshooting skills because the only folks that go to those schools are ones that have re-enlisted and are on their way to their second sea tour. I’m guessing they are also seeing the results of a strong push for more diversity. No idea what the correct amount is and neither does the navy, but they are hell bent on getting more of it for whatever misguided PC reasons.

Brian
Brian
  TJF
September 15, 2017 9:40 pm

20 years?! Sorry! “Torture”….I rather liked the job, just not the BS. I offered to re-enlist for a training command or ETMS school but was turned down as I was short a few months sea time, as they had decom’ed my cruiser out from under me. So I took my knowledge and bailed.

I can’t imagine the environment those poor bastards are dealing with now with the PC, SAPR, etc crap plus all the other obligations you are held too.

Rickover had been dead about 8 years when I went in and his ghost was very much still around. However the cracks had started to show. I was part of the first qualified trainee watch team subjected to the “MATIF” (I think was it’s acronym) simulator at S8G. He would have never approved that. Then the “grassy knoll” speech in ’98 where students started getting 2nd and 3rd chances for academic issues. When I went through it was 1 mulligan and you were most likely gone.

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 15, 2017 2:53 pm

Obviously its the Norks … just like they hacked Sony. LOL.

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 15, 2017 3:10 pm

Obama spent the last 8 years replacing our military officers, Navy as well as the other branches, with officers that represent and promote his social, moral, and political agenda’s instead of making sure they were competent for the positions they hold.

Why would anyone need to hack us?

prusmc
prusmc
  Anonymous
September 15, 2017 6:56 pm

Interesting, the Commander, Executive Officer and Lead Master Chief Petty Officer of the Fitzgerald were relieved by higher authority. That is at a minimum career ending. Of course, they are easy to sacrifice traditional non-minority types who may well have been remiss in their duties. However, the same three leadership positions on the McCain are held by Affirmative Action eligible individuals and they are still sailing to “fair winds and following seas” careerwise in the US Navy of 2017.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
September 15, 2017 4:44 pm

Perhaps there is a hack job perhaps it’s a series of unfortunate events . Perhaps if the US Navy merely patrolled American waters and protected American merchant ships from being molested or pirated on the high seas , oh my bad we don’t have a merchant fleet any more . Our government and industry colluded and conspired to snuff out those jobs along with all the other heavy industries . Perhaps if we as a nation stopped sticking our collective dick beaters in every shit hole in the world and concentrated on our own nation and its internal problems we may even fix something for good !

Capn Mike
Capn Mike
September 15, 2017 5:38 pm

How much training does it take to just LOOK through the fuckin binoculars and say “Hey bridge, I see a BOAT!!!”. Any Navy ship has at LEAST two designated lookouts at all times. Plus any one else on the Bridge should have their fuckin eyes open. Any electronics are beside the point. There is NO EXCUSE for what’s been happening. They’re obviously protecting their diversity hires.

Rob
Rob
September 15, 2017 5:58 pm

That’s not fair. The one involving the McCain was caused by the sailors trying to rub the name off the boat. They tried to swim away but kept getting caught and hauled back. I mean really now. Who would ever want to serve on a ship named McCain. How embarrassing.

TampaRed
TampaRed
September 15, 2017 7:52 pm

how many of you clicked on the link at the bottom of the article,unless…
it recaps obama’s 8 years and is worth looking thru the article to see the chart made out of obama’s nose–

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
September 15, 2017 8:13 pm

Beaners who can’t speak English,80 IQ boogies promoted in officer ranks along with rug munchers and tranny queers boogering each other on watch. What could go wrong?

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
  Overthecliff
September 16, 2017 12:13 pm

OvertheHill, why don’t you try putting the blame where it really belongs … on the leadership!! What an ass you are! You’re like the idiots who blame illegals for all the economic woes of our country but won’t blame the stupid politicians and big business people and lobbyists who set up all the programs to attract the illegals in the first place. All paid for by the taxpayer. And no one touches them because now those programs are “entitlements.”

So take your stupid comments and go pound sand!

Jeff
Jeff
September 16, 2017 12:34 pm

It appears to me that people have looked at this the wrong way.
Both of the U.S. ships were the ones that got hit, not that did the hitting. It may be true that they should have been able to evade, but to me the simpler explanation would be that the foreign ship was the one that got hacked, forcing it to ram into the navy ship.
How many freighters and oil tankers could be turned into kamikaze ships, eventually forcing the navy to begin defending itself against any ship that comes too near, simultaneously destroying billion$ of cargo and further alienating exporting nations the world over.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
  Jeff
September 16, 2017 2:16 pm

Bingo. You do not even have to hack anything. Just get the merchant pilot on board to be of a certain faith…any guesses? Evasive actions will soon be emphasized. I once entertained an Admiral on my fishing/pleasure boat. He was retired from active service but when we discussed the then recent USS Cole incident, it brought tears to his eyes as he choked up about the vulnerability of men he once commanded. I imagine this conclusion is being discussed as they reconnoiter the playing field. Why encourage copycatters?

Maggie
Maggie
  KeyserSusie
September 16, 2017 2:55 pm

So, before others’ inquiring minds with less discernment and taste notice the reference and go all horndog on you…

KeyserSusie said… “I once entertained an Admiral on my fishing/pleasure boat.”

When I see fishing/pleasure boat and Admiral in one sentence, Tailhook comes to mind. Are you one of the “realm” of the class of folk who entertain Admirals and Senators in your yacht? Or are you a prostitute with a houseboat?

Now, as to the safety of the men and women and other gender possibles who serve on these ships? I think many of us realize that the caliber of our young troop is in serious question.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
  Maggie
September 17, 2017 5:30 pm

“When I see fishing/pleasure boat and Admiral in one sentence, Tailhook comes to mind. Are you one of the “realm” of the class of folk who entertain Admirals and Senators in your yacht? Or are you a prostitute with a houseboat?”

Neither. We took my humble 28 foot craft to dine across Santa Rosa Sound. The boat cost less than 8 months alimony I had recently completed. I was with his wife, niece, grand nieces, brother in law and my two pre teen sons. It was an American family event. The Admiral was in charge of Tricare at the time. As a health care provider, I understood how you make enemies when you are in charge of allocating the budget. He was a patriot as is his Admiral son.

Never entertained a Senator but I did tell a local lawyer he should run for U. S. Representative. He did and won. He has since been a resourceful aide with many of my agendas ever since. A former Republican, he recently went independent to please his liberal GF, Mika B…. Presidents and Senators, no doubt, heed some things I have supported…When I met Joe, I knew in a Malcom Gladwell minute he wanted to be President…

FYI Putin sang Blueberry Hill at my request and for my pleasure in support of my main agenda. You can YouTube his rendition.

I am retired on SSI and a meager disability check. I took a vow of poverty early on instead of a vow of chastity – and I have paid dearly for it.

Ground Zero for Tail hook was Pensacola and Trader Jon’s. A great place to take out of town visitors and partake. I once dated waitress from there but that story is R rated. I have one of Jon’s artist wife’s paintings in my collection.
http://www.pensapedia.com/wiki/Trader_Jon%27s

Goldie
Goldie
September 17, 2017 9:10 am

russians have already proved on two occasions that they can completly disable an Aegis system with an antiquated plane equipped their latest EW pod. there’s no point at doing it again and again.
but the cause here is most likely that officers in charge were real jackasses.

watch this:

it really happened in the real world. you don’t dream

Goldie
Goldie
September 17, 2017 9:22 am

my bad, it seems it was a funny fake. but I’ve heard of a navy crash in the philipines 4 years ago for the same kind of reason: incompetence.