Authority over others

authority over others

Authority over others

Authority over others {food for thought}

I’ve always been fascinated by the concept of “authority over others.” And when I say authority – I mean “authority” in quotes.

How many of you question what that “authority” ever means? What gives one human being the right to dictate what they should be doing? Or as KRS-One said – who’s protecting us from you?

However, this concept has multiple facets. Let’s take a look at a few just to try and understand this dilemma that has plagued society since day one.


Parents and children

This concept of “authority over others” I can grasp. Parents who bring new lives into this world have a responsibility. And that is raising a competent human being capable of LIVING THEIR OWN LIVES eventually.

How long that takes depends on the quality of parenting, of course.

But for this to happen – parents NEED authority over their kids.

Telling them what is wrong and right. Denying them things they “want,” and punishing them for mistakes. Even with they’re crying and tantrums – parents establish (what is hopefully) sensible boundaries and rules in which to live by. It doesn’t always come easy – and is naturally a “learning process.” One of the huge quagmires of parenthood, of course.

Kids are essentially ignorant idiots. But they slowly grow out of that as they learn and augment their brains with useful information about how to navigate the world. It is, and should be, the parents wish to raise the best possible human beings. That absolutely requires that “authority over others.” Mom and Dad are the “BOSS.” The kids are the subservient’s. That is how it works in nature. Look at any animal breed to see the same exact thing.

Parents essentially are on the hook for 18 years from birth to care for their kids. (More on this below).

authority over others

Society’s “rulers” and the “constituents”

This next segment rubs me the wrong way.

Sure, we can have a separate argument about how we would “run” a “civilized” society WITHOUT the so-called “ruling class,” and the associated “laws” and “law enforcers” (armed thugs). But that is not the point of this post.

The fact of the matter is – that once everyone reaches adulthood – and depending on their career choice – it lumps you into either a private class – or a so-called “authoritative” class. Which is bizarre.

  • Some people work for corporate America.
  • Some choose to start their own business.
  • Many choose to work for “public service,” which in essence, means some government entity somewhere. (Government is next to the top “employer” in the world!)
  • And even fewer choose to be “elected” to “serve the public” in some kind of “official” position.
  • Others have no luck – and get free money from the government.
  • And those with shitty options, choose a life of crime and so on.

There are many other categories – but for the sake of simplicity…

What you have at this point – is those who live life – yet are “ruled” by others. And those that “rule” over you. Even the low-life criminals in the ghetto have those that rule over them. The more powerful thugs, or the drug kingpin, etc.

But it’s a multilayered fuck-fest. Because, say people like Don Zimmer – while she recently “ruled” over people in Hoboken – she still was “ruled” by the federal (and state and county) government – and their laws. Ask Peter Cammarano how that turned out.

Almost anyone – is apparently ruled over by others. WTF?

True – humanity is a “power structure” no matter what

This whole concept does lead to a common truth. That in humanity – there are leaders and non-leaders.

In a simplistic viewpoint, (say a village tribe), people would naturally select leaders. Like the biggest, strongest guy would be the “security.” Or the smartest guy would be the banker or logistical analyst. The best cook would be the head chef, and so on.

Human beings automatically gravitate towards those that outwardly exhibit skills. People would naturally accept those who possess those skills.

And as you can see – if there is more than one person who supposedly has those skills – the concept of “market” comes to play. The better option usually wins. On a level playing field, of course.

But what about voluntary?

Voluntary subservience is okay

Say you had an open community with no formal “power structure.”

Leaders would naturally rise. Like those who are the strongest. Or the most intelligent. Or most organized, etc. Natural leaders are organic – and should be recognized by those who are not as skilled. That is how it always worked in primitive days.

Same goes for certain jobs. The skilled craftsman with gobs of experience is the natural leader over those with little or none. That is how it works.

You could also agree it should be that way in relationships. Those who have proven skills should be given the reign over such responsibilities (i.e., lawn care, carpentry, cooking, cleaning, baby-rearing, etc.)

People should be honest and say things like “this person is better than me at (insert skill here), I will relinquish my say in order for them to make the decisions, etc.”

But that doesn’t always happen – because people are big-mouths and want control over everything – even if they can’t muster up the ability to do it themselves. Which is part of the reason there are so many problems in this world.

Other authoritative relationships

Before we conclude this piece – here are a few other situations where adult human beings have “authority over others,” whether it’s right or not.

– Pimp, prostitutes. The pimp has the crew, the guns, and the money. And he feeds drugs to the hookers. Authority 101.

– Bread winner. In many relationships, the person who “brings home the dough,” has much say and authority over what goes.

– Strong vs. Weak. Many relationships are dominant vs. subservient as well. A power play that leads to authoritative situations. Sometimes the subservient actually thrive being controlled. Most often it’s due to how they were raised.

– Master / slave – back in the day – the slaves HAD to endure thier abuse purely because they would either get beaten or killed if they strayed out of line. The most fundamental example of “authority” you can think of.

– Government / Populace. Yeah, those with the guns and the “laws” behind them are the ones telling you how to act and behave (and pay). Yet we all “allow” it.

Who says when a person is an “adult?”

Another thing that annoys me is that the government has decreed that a child is a legal adult at 18 years old.

I can bet that some kids are ready to “be an adult” as early at 13 year old. Others, especially in today’s age – maybe not until 30 years old!

Why do we need government to tell us when kids are adults?

Heck, you have thug juveniles in Jersey City killing people (probably because of mindless games like Grand Theft Auto) – why not just throw them in jail just like everyone else?

Dictating a law, with a corresponding “number” is stupid.

Another example of bad future planning.

Getting away from “authority” is next to impossible

In the “advanced” world, you have almost no chance to escape the “authority” that someone else proclaims to have over you. Not without a fight, at least.

Think about it.

Even wildly successful business people who make tons of money still have to pay Uncle Sam.

It’s not until you make billions that you can bribe politicians (and even GET money from them – a la Elon Musk) to pave your way to easy street.

It’s true most of us are not immune from the law – and even some corrupt politicians meet their fate (only after they’ve pushed too hard), this horrible power structure we have in place to civilly run out country has resulted in almost all of us being slaves to other human beings – and the stupid associated laws to keep us in check.

While I cannot imagine humanity without some kind of rule structure in place to hold people accountable for their actions – the way America is today is a bit over the top. Most laws (90% at least) should be stripped. The majority of the “laws” passed these days are not for the benefit of society – but rather the augmentation of government coffers.

There has to be a better way.


About Hoboken411

We’ve been “blogging” as Hoboken411 since before Twatter and Fakebook infected the masses. Back in 2005, it was all about politics and other bullshit in and around Hoboken, New Jersey (and the tri-state NYC area in general). But since those social media “apps” have amazingly coerced the majority of the populous to “blog for free” (to make Fuckerberg insanely wealthy) we’ve taken a slightly different approach. We talk about whatever the fuck we feel like talking about (including some things in Hoboken). But our main objective is to slap the “mentally-enslaved morons” (as Mark Dice eloquently says) upside the face with a dose of reality. We know full well that most people won’t be receptive to our ideas all the time. But feathers get ruffled to this day still – which means (as they say in the medical industry): “It’s working!”

 

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CCRider
CCRider
September 17, 2017 9:22 am

Terrific piece. I was born hating to be bossed-an anarchist. I can remember being in the 3rd grade and being pissed about those bells. Ring a bell go here-Ring the bell go there. Fuck your bells. The catholic church had the good sense to condemned me to eternal damnation before I left elementary school. That said, I cherished various mentors who earned my respect over the years and proudly walked in their shadows. I can’t understand how so many people adopt these scumbag politicians as kin. Praising your oppressors is no way to get free of them.

javelin
javelin
  CCRider
September 17, 2017 9:41 am

I have a quick story to relate about my questioning of authority at an early age::::

I still remember vividly a time from my years in elementary school. All of the students were called down to the All-Purpose-Room, class by class. Once entering, I remember clearly the ugly green curtained screens that were set up in a rough square toward the back of the room, just in front of the fold-up lunch tables and to the right of the small stage ( hence the all-purpose-room moniker)with the only egress being an alarmed fire door and the way in which we entered.

We were told we would be getting vaccines-not that us 3rd graders knew what a vaccine was. Lined up alphabetically ( talk about institutional authority indoctrination) with me in the last 3rd of the line. Child after child would disappear behind the green curtain, could be heard screaming and then come out crying holding their deltoid and a small bandage there.

As the process progressed and the line shortened I finally decided to make a break for it. With several teachers behind us blocking the way we entered, I made a bee-line for the aptly named “emergency door.” As I pushed the handle a loud, braying alarm immediately sounded. Unfortunately there was also a second part to actually getting the door open and all I succeeded in was sounding an alarm to the vaccine enforcers that there was an attempted escapee.

With me thrashing wildly, a teacher on each arm and leg, the four of them managed me behind the curtain where a masked man with what looked like a screw gun in his hand awaited me. Pinned to the mat table, they managed to give me my shot.

Many of us still bear the scars from these type of vaccines today on our upper left, lateral deltoid muscle. A small circle of evidence that I am safe from measles or polio or whatever–but for me, it is like a tattoo of honor for my brave attempt to buck authority and fight “the man” even as a spritely, spindly 8 year old.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  javelin
September 17, 2017 1:06 pm

The vax that left the scar was smallpox. Smallpox was eradicated from the us for decades before they stopped the mandatory vax. My wife had it and I did not although we’re both the same age and from the same state.

javelin
javelin
September 17, 2017 9:23 am

I guess the only way to avoid being “subservient” to someone is to just go up into the hills or woods, disappear and go off-grid.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  javelin
September 17, 2017 9:32 am

I knew someone that did that about 50 years ago, went up to the wilderness of Canada and disappeared never to be heard from again.

I suspect maybe he got eaten by a bear or something, but that is what happens when you reject anyone or anything having authority over you and leave its control -along with its protection- behind.

Of course if a bear did eat him, I suppose the bear was the final authority he faced.

No authority -> no civilization -> no life.

catfish
catfish
  Anonymous
September 18, 2017 1:48 am

yeah sure Anonymous for example : no NAZI authority – no civilisation – no life
It is clear even to the thickest people here that you are a complete twat.

Rob
Rob
September 17, 2017 9:34 am

Sorry dude and dudet but your writing is so poor that I just gave up. Please have somebody read your posts for grammar before you send them out.

javelin
javelin
  Rob
September 17, 2017 9:46 am

The Grammar Authority is in the house………

Stucky
Stucky
September 17, 2017 10:09 am

Admin

May I ask you to remove my QOTD (it has run its course) and maybe replace it with this terrific article?

Thy will be done,

TampaRed
TampaRed
September 17, 2017 11:31 am

good post hoboken–

Gayle
Gayle
September 17, 2017 11:41 am

One of my dear grandsons has a rebellious streak which sometimes gets him into hot water with the proper authority figures in his life (one of which is me). I have been thinking seriously about the issue of rebellion as I try to respond to him in the best possible ways.

The spirit of rebellion that resides within us all to a lesser or greater extent is a good thing. We tend to want to squish it out of kids because it is seen as a rejection of appropriate respect for authority or as an insistence for getting one’s own way at the expense of the needs of others. As the article agrees, children must be trained that certain kinds of authority are appropriate for their well-being.

What we don’t teach our kids is when rebellion is the best course. Many of the great men of history earned their fame because they rebelled against an evil status quo, and often they suffered greatly for their rebellious ways. I think of John Wycliffe, a young man who rebelled against the authority of King Henry VIII in order to translate the Bible into English so his countrymen could have access to the Scriptures for themselves. He finished the job, and shortly thereafter was burned at the stake upon orders from Henry. The same story plays out over and over, from Moses onward, as people see wrongs and respond in rebellion to right them.

Rebellion is always virtuous when responding to evil people and systems. This needs to be explicitly taught to all young people, but for some reason the public schools do not do the job. Now why would that be?

They also must be taught that rebellion against the good and the healthy will diminish them in some way. History is also full of the sad results of this kind of rebellion. Current events are a fertile ground to discuss the appropriate and destructive use of this impulse to go against the grain.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
September 17, 2017 11:52 am

It is a shame that some of you only see rejection of FORCED authority as the equivalent of a rejection of society and social interactions. 99% of every social interaction we have every day (peaceful I might add) is based on our mutual respect for each other and NOT the result of any “forced authority” relationship. Indeed today one might need to run away because forced authority is all-pervasive, heavily armed, and endorsed by the sheeple that make up 90+% of society. But in a truly free world, our voluntary acceptance of authority figures would happen naturally, serve its purpose, and end just as peacefully as it began. Of course some are capable of leading specific projects, activities, etc. The difference being the word “voluntary.” I would have thought that more commenters on this blog in particular would have been able to tell the difference, and not simply reject the ONLY life-affirming, freedom-affirming, solution there is (a government-free society) out of hand.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  MrLiberty
September 17, 2017 1:10 pm

whether you formalize it in writing or it’s just a bunch of people temporarily banding together for protection or to enforce customs,contracts,etc.,there will be some form of govt.–
libertarianism is great in a book or or sitting around talking about it over a beer but not so great in practice–

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
  TampaRed
September 17, 2017 2:10 pm

IF ONLY it were “temporarily”! We might be able to get some control over the monster as it metastasizes, mutates and militates –
Imagine that every 80 years the Constitution had to be re-approved. We might be able to get a true “right to privacy” incorporated.
But then, with the educational system we have now, it would probably approve socialism!
Beans, bandages, bullets – gather ye rosebuds while ye may.

Kevin
Kevin
September 17, 2017 11:52 am

Thanks. Good post and hope there will be more on TBP. Many years ago in a Chinese literature in translation class we were discussing one of the leaders in a classic called The Tale of Three Kingdoms. I remarked to the prof. that it is amazing people would choose to continue following someone who led them to so much disaster. We then got into a discussion on leadership and in particular, the concept of morale autonomy. The leader we were discussion through his adherence to self discipline, fairness, and justice created a scenario in which others chose to surrender their morale autonomy to him. Later, in an ROTC, military science class a lieutenant colonel asked us to define “military leadership.” Somewhere in the discourse someone said it is “getting people to do things.” The instructor corrected him saying “it is the ability to get people to do things willingly.” In the end, whether it is institutional or personal leadership, the quality of the management or leadership will determine if the “subjects” or being led or simply herded or coerced.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
September 17, 2017 5:47 pm

It’s simple. In order to be safe from unknown assailants who would assault, rob and kill us, we have to elect a government that’s free to assault, rob and kill us, and steals a huge percentage of our assets in taxes to fund its activities….

Stucky
Stucky
September 17, 2017 6:21 pm

The very first authority we learn to obey? Parental.

The very next one? God.

Eventually, we become free from our parent’s authority. Unfortunately, the same hardly ever holds true for the second one.

Many people rejoice at this arrangement.

I used to understand why. Not anymore.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
September 17, 2017 9:55 pm

Having worked in a trade where my mechanical expertise from training , education and experience was recognized coupled with a work ethic I did not do well with companies that had people who could only justify their pathetic existence by how much authority they are able to exercise at any given moment over me or others . My license and certification number were on the jobs I signed off on . I often met with a conflict over scheduling timing etc … a 1 hour job takes 1 hour and a 100 hour job may give you some wiggle room but not 20% .
I have also encountered companies run by someone born on third base and struts about like they hit a home run .
Generally though I only left a company for more freedom and money . I have never needed someone to breath down my neck to work a job and proved it generally after the first week on a new job . The last company I worked for , for over 20 years and only spoke to the owner a few times a week at most . It’s amazing what men of honor and respect for each other can accomplish . Especially if they are free men , freeborn and of good report . There is a case where an entire free Republic was born from their combined honor and integrity . Let’s hope we can get it back with a minimum of force and bloodshed !

Slayer of Sacred Cows
Slayer of Sacred Cows
September 19, 2017 4:49 pm

Just a quick clarification – leaders are not rulers. A leader is someone who people voluntary follow, a ruler is someone who forces obedience. Authorities are rulers.