First, a dictionary definition of “nationalism” —— “a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations”.
Q1: What is right, or wrong, about the picture below?
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Trump to Jesus: “I need your help to make America great again.”
Q2: Do you find the above picture depressing, or inspiring?
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My Answer: I find both pictures UTTERLY REPULSIVE. Both images are completely UN-Biblical. I’ll bet the pictures truly piss off Jesus. (I may, or may not, expound on this later in the thread. But, my answer stands on it’s own merit.)
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Is this the QOTD for today (evening) – Sunday? or for tomorrow – Monday? Receiving it this late today, I don’t have much time to consider it for today and by tomorrow my answers may change, and there will probably be a new question. I just had to know……
Bad timing submitting it at 5PM on a Sunday! I should have waited until tomorrow morning.
Personally, I think those are two fantastic questions.
I can see this QOTD will hit 200 by tomorrow AM. ?
Yeah, I agree. So what? BFD…
PS, What I am mostly offended by from the second picture is Jesus depicted as a European white dood.
Picture a Palestinian. That’s what Jesus looked like.
Captain Dickson: Hey, hey! Stop fuckin’ with Korean Jesus. He ain’t got time for yo problems, he’s busy wit Korean shit!
It’s hard to believe you got 4 thumbs down (so far) for you are 100% correct.
The stupid, it burns.
Then again, people love the imaginations of their idolatry. To imagine Jesus as a blond blue eyed all-American man for 30, 40, 50 years or more … only to be told he looked Palestinian (!!!???) is waaaay more truth than many snowflakes can handle. Forgive them for their sins for they know not what they don’t know.
I still don’t have a clear thought on the pictures but the second one suddenly made me wonder if kids/people nowadays ‘pray’ via Facebook or Twitter to some special hashtag? Does #GOD work?
(and for the record, for me, the ‘#’ symbol will always stand for either ‘number’ or ‘pound – lb’ and NOT some new-wave definition)
what a muddlecup of useless idolatry.
“Its own merit”
Presuming to know what God thinks is ridiculous. There is no way to know these things. Those pics may be divinely inspired. God may just love the everyloving shit out of Trump. Maybe that hair just turns him on. Maybe God loves Twitter and gets a kick out of what Trump tweets.
Those pics are UnBiblical? Damn, now you have done it. You have elevated yourself to that of prophet. I would keep looking up because God may hit that smite button of his. I do not think he likes self-anointed prophets. I am damn sure of it in fact.
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The Prophet Stuchenmeister approves of your message.
Most Blessed art thou amongst expatriates. Now go thou and preach my Gospel of Wrath unto thy people, the Aborigines, for I am Coming soon and few Darkies will escape my Sword of Justice.
Stucky , sometimes you are utterly Repulsive Especially when you are masterbating .I had a dream in which I saw you.Sick Fucker.You should be ashamed of yourself but no you glorified in your Depravity. Kinda like America . The others at the Burning Platform should have seen the look on your face .As far as Jesus Christ is concerned maybe we need to be destoryed.No nation on Earth has committed a Greater sin .Only Satan himself is the worse sinner.
Cocksucker! And to think that I spent the ENTIRE DAY — well, between masturbatory activities — of your heart(less) surgery on my knees prayin’ to Jeebus for your full recovery. Ungrateful ingrate.
Whoa! BB has dreams about Stucky masturbating?
Who doesn’t, Maggie? Even razzle dreams of Pepperidge Farms
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For Christ’s Effing Sake!
Combining patriotic symbols with Christian iconic imagery is evil.
If I hadn’t been out in the deer woods instead of at church today, I’d pray for you.
Indeed, Maggie, indeed!
Here’s 14 seconds of one of the most idolatrous events recorded in human history.
“Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews. But now is my kingdom not from hence.” — John 18:36
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” — Eph 6:12
“My kingdom is not of this world”
Winner, winner, chicken dinner!!!
The first picture is (im)Pure Idolatry.
The second picture reminds me of the devil tempting Jesus on the mountain …. especially when Satan offers Jesus all the kingdoms of the world … (with Trump playing the role of that forked-tongue Satan in the picture).
Have you read this at POM?
https://philosophyofmetrics.com/the-unquenchable-flame/
It is an interesting series on race and religion.
I like this better Stucky:
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I’m pretty sure Jeebus never grabbed them in the pussy.
Jeebus would give what is desired, within reason.
Sometimes, I am amazed at you people. My 9:15 pm comment means I would find it disgusting to put El Douche in the same picture with Jeebus Christ . (tongue in cheek insult) Sheesh
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Batman? Nah… more of a riddler type, I think.
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I think Bea meant Trump, not EC. Let’s get it straight, people, El means ‘the’. It does not mean that any name after it is a moniker for EC. Funny that El Magnifico never returned, perhaps he was insulted that his comment was mis-attributed to EC.
OMG, I wonder if El Stucko is really EC?
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Time to make another bed in the house of the Trinity.
Before America was, I am.
Jesus knows, Stuck.
How in God’s name can anything be more depressing
than knowing that 90% of the American population
is nothing more than mindless carbon based life forms?
Knowing that it is really 95%.
Are you suggesting God didn’t know this statistic before clicking the creation button?
Maybe dunking you in 90-95% American (as Lilpooh says) was the point.
Created by fire, as Zarathustra said.
Scotty, why is that depressing?
We live in the land of the free lunch.
Naturally, it follows that heaven is just a kiss away.
I used to think The message of Jesus Christ Superstar was sacrilegious.
Now I think it was a sober assessment of cretins who think that waving the flag is patriotism.
Life in the USA USA USA is life on Easy Street.
Years ago, somebody came up with drive-thru funerals.
We have grocery stores where you can shop in a modified Hoveround.
We have televised church services that you can attend from the comfort of your living room.
It used to be that you worked up your courage to ask a girl out on a date.
Today, you pick a girl up in the club and bang her in the parking lot.
It used to be you took care to prevent having kids before marriage
Now, you have kids with different women and Uncle Sam pays the rent.
It used to be decent whores could make a decent living.
Today, many girls sell their body over the internet for a few dollars.
This country is lost, it has gone to the dogs.
And you deplore the idea that 90% will not make it to heaven?
They don’t care for heaven, they are heathens and atheists, you can’t even call them agnostic because they don’t care to wonder if heaven is real. They just want to know if heaven has a ghetto where they can continue to fuck around in the after-life.
https://youtu.be/5Bx3HUAKET0
You really ARE a Riddler!
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What I find extraordinarily irritating is when US nationalists interpret any ancient prophecy (biblical or otherwise) as being met solely in the context of what is happening in the US as if the rest of the world doesn’t exist.
Stucky already covered that under “dispensationalism” the idea that all bible revelation concerns this day and this hour and focused on the exceptional USA USA…
Stucky is a castrated, soy eating Boomer cuck who doesn’t know how to use the apostrophe.
Thank’ you’. You’ are’ correct’. I just’ now’ ordered’ Apostrophes For Dummies.
I once had a proofreader who was obsessed with commas. I couldn’t keep up, so I just started putting them in, for fun, here, there, and everywhere, just to make the bitch work harder. I actually ran out of commas and had to borrow some from my coworkers.
That lady HATED me. Then, she got cancer and passed away. I felt really bad and took up a collection for her. Money, not commas.
Commas are carcinogenic?
EC
Don’t laugh. I once knew a girl on her period who fell into a comma. It was a problem with her colon. She later woke up and won an award for a blog about her experience. It was a-post-trophy.
Mac, you mean ‘an apostrophe’ – while they all look alike, there are many more apostrophes, not just one. We have similar diacritical marks in Spanish which we use to emphasize syllable in a word.
EC
So, my understanding is that you are implying Jesus would not approve of nationalism.
First, lets start with a fair definition nationalism:
“The policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one’s own nation viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.” (Dictionary.com)
A nice way of wording this is, ‘Putting the interest of ones own nation before that of other nations.’
Examples of Nationalism and its antipole, Globalism, can BOTH be found in the Bible.
The tower of babel: From the story it can be inferred that there were different people groups working together for the greater good (Globalism), and God clearly put his thumb down on that.
The nation of Israel: GOD formed the NATION of Israel.
Jesus forms the church: The Church is a global organization. One that integrates all nationalities, and all languages for the greater good.
A one world government is also philosophized in Revelations.
So, what does all this mean?
Basically, in relation to the government, Nationalism and Globalism are types of polices that can be pursued. There is nothing that says that both types of policy can’t be used by the same government.
In other words, we should be part of NATO(doing something for the greater good), but not pay all of its bills by ourselves(Not hurting ourselves for everyone else).
Back to the original point, would Jesus approve of Nationalism. There is nothing to say he would not if it was responsibly pursued.
Ok fine, choose a definition of nationalism that YOU like, change the argument, and declare victory. I think you should apply for a job in the Trump cabinet …. maybe, Chief Bullshit Artist.
“would Jesus approve of Nationalism. There is nothing to say he would not if it was responsibly pursued.”
Moran.
1) The first picture is offensive because Jesus has nothing to do with the USA, except the USA is part of the world. Christianity has nothing to do with government. It is outside of government. I have said this before, and will say it again, Christians follow the laws of the land in which they live, unless those laws go against God’s word. And you follow God’s word, even if you are killed for it. But Christians also (early Christians at least) cause no problems with their neighbors or the government if they can help it. They don’t call the “police” when they are victims of theft, etc. They handle it among themselves. Christians are to trust God, not government.
2) The second picture is depressing because who knows what’s in Donald Trump’s heart. He professes to be a Christian, but many of his actions show he’s a hypocritical one. Who knows what Jesus’ plans are for Trump and what he will use Trump for. Perhaps he will use Trump for good and then later destroy him for being a bad guy. No way to know.
Conquering lion of the tribe of Judah.
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When was that photo taken, IW?
Of course, if he doesn’t build the wall, then he’s a demon.
Looks like there trying to cast the demons out of him.
If he doesn’t build the wall, everyone will know he’s captured by the Deep State.
Yawn! Good morning… where’s my coffee. Hmmmmm, pics of Jesus …
Well, to start with, in previous posts you had mentioned that God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truthfulness. (John chapter 4 something)
So when you post any pictures of “Jesus”, you debase any discussion by lowering the spiritual relationship Christians have with our Lord to comic book parodies; this is where you want to have a serious discussion?
So, losing the pics, we are told to pray for our government leaders. When you lose the childish pictures, the discussion becomes a non starter, of course Christians pray for government leaders that we may pursue our faith without government harassment, unless you hate Trump, where the pics would justify your view that Christians are clueless neanderthals who worship pictures of Jeeebus superimposed over patriotic themes. So if you do profess a belief in Jesus Christ, put aside childish things and grow a set. If not, you are free to do as you wish, this is a free country and you are not held to any Christian standards.
Blessings, oh, I forgot….. forget it.
While the juxtaposition of Trump and Jesus is funny or disturbing or infuriating, it distracts from the real question – whether nationalism is inherently counter to Christianity. I don’t think so, especially since the seeming only alternative is one world government – which is another sort of idolatry, it seems to me. Individual nations can descend into evil and tyranny, but if the entire world were under one government, the danger of descent into tyranny becomes worse, since there’d be nowhere to escape to and no external opposition to the tyranny.
What are you after here? I’m seeing all kinds of common threads but I still can’t discern your motive. It would be helpful to know if you’re willing to give that up.
I think Stucky was hoping that Someone would step up and declare that God obviously wants to support and defend the USA more than any other country… that we are a “chosen” nation and our ideals are so much better than everyone else’s that we have a right to slaughter civilians from third world countries indiscriminately. And then, perhaps he wanted to make people realize how insane it is to think God blesses this country when we, as a nation, have spread greed and corruption to every corner of the globe. I sometimes think God really has loosed judgment onto this country in ways we can’t begin to fathom. Kind of like that guy in Vegas…
However, as much as I’d like to try to help Stucky with the shitfest, I am just glad to be tucked away out here in the hills in flyover country.
+100 Mags
It’s almost as if you have looked directly into my heart of hearts. I feel naked before you.
Doesn’t it leave you with the feeling that you need a bath after you are mentally stripped and possibly abused by one of these objectifying women?
EC
Hey! Stucky is baring his soul to me here, naked emotion on display for all to see.
I looked into your heart and realized you are “pure” and that your only wish is to help others see that God colorless, countryless and, more than likely, odorless.
EC, on the other hand, smells like tacos.
Hey, Magita, I think I found your insult article. I will be here waiting on a heartfelt apology.
I don’t think that was the one. However, I accept your apology. By the way, we got this lameass post of Stuck’s over a hundred.
https://youtu.be/i9QEAtcz3o8
I’m not sure you can call it a frontal attack but he seems bent on tearing down all misconceptions that modern Christians entertain about God and his message. He could have gone on a YoBo-esque crusade to rebut televangelical heresy, instead, he is confronting folks with their own errors. Like a good boxing strategy, he is punching at the sides of the body, knocking out the wind before delivering the knockout blow to the head.
All grassroots movements seem destined to failure but that is the place to start. YoBo’s error was in attempting to deliver the knockout blow to the head before winning the hearts and minds of the commoners. Stucky is working it a different way and manages to engage his audience with undeniable knowledge, humor and a willingness to concede a point in order to win the argument. He is playing multilevel chess here whereas YoBo can only play Chinese checkers. So Solly.
EC
No feelings were deliberately hurt in the above comment, it’s just stating the facts, Jack.
EC- YoBo is playing Hooks and Ladders (Nazi version). Stucky is playing 432D chess (Biblical Level).
43DD?
Bea, your funny as a rubber crutch, thank you for that chuckle!
EC
“… he seems bent on tearing down all misconceptions that modern Christians entertain about God and his message.” —–EC masquerading as Anonymous
Bada Boom Bada Bing!!
Calling Hardscrabble Farmer! Hello? Ya think EC mighta just stated one motive?
In each and every one of these question-posts I give my own answers. Why a smart fellow like yourself can’t discern my motif is somewhat confusing.
Besides, what difference does it make? Has anyone ever questioned your motivation for your farm stories?
So, Catalonia then?
Maggie, are you running for the title of Riddler?
Perhaps you were a green rope after all.
Here I was all impressed
I thought you made a cute redheaded Riddler. Kind of Irish.
Honestly, I can’t even remember the other colors. I was there eleven months. It would have been weird if I hadn’t been a red rope. Kind of like when people “retired” as buck sergeants.
There are five different rope colors at Air Force Tech Schools. They are red, yellow, green, black, and white. A red rope, which is the highest level that Tech School student leaders can obtain, is a shift leader. That means red ropes take command of all the airmen within a certain shift.
Tech School Ropes – Air Force MOMS BMT
http://www.airforcemomsbmt.org/TechSchoolRopes.htm
I was Day Shift Red Rope. My buddy in Maryland was Night Shift Red Rope. We were awesome. Just ask us.
But, to keep the theme of the post? We never invoked any mention of Jesus while marching troops to and from the Triangle.
EC- If you are going to be masquerading around here, stop taking the intrigue out of your posts by signing off with EC. Use another name, like El Kabong or El Fantastico…..nobody will figure that out.
I think it was Colma who used liked billing himself with monikers like Fantastico or Magnifico. I am much more humble, to my own detriment.
EC
Fear not. Despite your veiled humility, we have suffered no trouble attempting to enjoy your contributions.
#fuckmeded
I was about to walk away from this thread, and TBP for the rest of the day cuz you know …. 500+ human beings were killed/wounded today, affecting thousands of lives when you consider their aunts, uncles, nieces, friends, etc. etc. … and this shit doesn’t appear all that relevant at the moment.
But, I need for this to get to 100.
Also, Trump triggered me!!!!
That fucker just HAD to go and bring God into his speech several times, and closed with the most heartfelt and sincere “God Bless America” he could muster.
WTF does that even mean? Maybe it means nothing … like when Edwitness ends every post with (Blessings :>}) … insincere vapid bullshit that everyone ignores because they know it is insincere, vapid, and bullshit.
I mean Trump is appealing to Da Lawd cuz he is a “new baby Christian” according to James Dobson … cuz, you know, Donald made a Big Show of accepting Jeebus in his heart, and there’s even a nice photo-op to prove the event … and, please don’t think Donald now loves him some Jeebus just to garner the evangelical vote. That would be soooo cynical of you. Trump never changes his mind on important issues just to suit his own agenda. Never.
WTF does it really mean? When he allows thousands of new arms to be shipped to Ukraine so the Ukonazies can kill more of their countrymen in Donbass, is he asking God to bless that? Or, when he threatens to destroy an entire nation of humans, is he asking God to bless that? Or when he lies to us about –well, a shitload of stuff — is he asking God to bless that? When he asks God to bless America, does that include Mexicans, even if they are illegal?
Yeah, I think it’s all that and more. He doesn’t really mean “God bless AMERICA”. He really means “God bless ME.” Which makes perfect sense considering his mega-narcissism which, by now should be abundantly clear, surpasses even that of PrezOreo.
God bless America, Donald? God should start by smiting down 535, … plus one more. Know what I mean?
We are WAY over 100 posts and if EC is willing (I did NOT say God Willing), we’ll run this questionable question up as far as we can get her to put out.
Good. We got to 100. I can leave now. But first, to very briefly settle the matter.
1. God demands TOTAL loyalty and allegiance. Even Jesus said that those who place mother or father before Him, are not fit for the Kingdom. It’s the only thing the Jehovah’s Witnesses got right … their refusal to recite the Pledge, for their allegiance is to God, and to God only.
2. It’s OK to “love” your country if by that you mean its mountains, forests, streams and the warm fuzzy feeling you get when you hear the national anthem. That’s just patriotism. Nationalism takes that love of country and expands it to mean love of country at the expense of other nations . It’s “Hell yeah, ‘Murica!!!”, no matter what. It’s the promise to make America great again by putting America first above everything else even if it means bombs, extortion, embargoes, or whatever cuz we always keep “all options on the table”.
“Love, having become a god, becomes a demon.” ——- C.S. Lewis
3. Jesus was not a nationalist. He had ample opportunity after opportunity to become King … and he refused them all, with vigor. For his kingdom is not of this world.
Christians live with one foot in America and one foot in heaven, thinking that loving both is no compromise to either, and won’t they be shocked when they arrive in hell.
I asked if Stucky was ever going to preach the gospel not long ago. Looks like he is busting the chumps from the pulpit of TBP. Nice job Stucky (even if you do it in a unconventional way).
Pictures of Donnie with Jeebus are sickening.
Bea, that’s what I love about Da Preacher, he breaks all the rules. Man, that is Pentecostal church preachin’ there. I recall one who said, men today just don’t have what it takes (cups his hand). If Stuck goes on the preachin’ circuit, I’ll be there yelling ‘aleluya!’
EC
That’s how they refer to Pentecostals – Los Aleluyas
https://youtu.be/lCV54C8UXpg
EC- Being from a southern Baptist background, I have been to many a Pentecostal service with my friends as a youngster. Some of them scared the BaJeebus outta me but every experience has some value. Stucky has found his way through the wilderness and I am glad.
Ah, man, I recall one time my son brought his GF to a service and the guest preacher had a special event to tear down the wall of Jericho. He said, at the sound of the trumpet you shout to tear down that obstruction, obstacle. And he counted down with a short blast at every number so that by the time he got closer to one, we were like ready to demolish the Trump wall with a shout. The girl said it scared the heck out of her and her mom was a dyed in the wool Pentecostal but hers was an English version, not the crazy Spanish type that don’t even know the English rules.
Well said. You shoulda been a preacher.
Is this TBP’s version of Fake News?! Good try Stucky but your effort falls way short. Lets see, we are on the verge of nuclear war where millions upon millions will die and America will cease to exist, Muslims are taking over the world and murdering anybody who stands in their way, a government that spies unlawfully on its citizens and our representatives refuse to do anything about it, 20 Trillion dollars in debt and growing everyday, 79 Million Americans with HPV and still nobody says “Hey, maybe it’s not such a good idea to fornicate”, people being sold into slavery in North Africa, rampant sex trafficking around the word, Christians being tortured, murdered, or spending years in the Chinese Gulag, etc., etc., and you put pictures and words on here that makes no sense at all!!! Do you really think people care about what you tried to do??? That is if they can figure it out!
In a Christian nation the relationship between the people, the State, and the church is actually an important thing to consider …. especially considering the list of ills you listed.
Even more important is how The Dear Leader of the nation views such things … since HE is the one who invokes the Deity, asking for blessings. What does he actually mean is critically important because words result in actions, and those actions affect each and every one of us.
Pity that you are incapable of grasping such things.
As to whether or not “people care about what [I] tried to do”, that should be fairly obvious as these threads I start routinely get to 100-200+ comments. Then again, seeing the obvious isn’t one of your strengths.