Dealing With Lefty

Guest Post by The Zman

Most of us have a Progressive or two in our lives that we have to deal with on a regular basis. No matter how hard you try to avoid talking politics or current events with them, it always happens and you come away frustrated by the experience. The reason for this is Lefty is nothing but political, so even discussing the weather can lead to them veering the conversation into something like global warming. Progressives have politicized every nook and cranny of life, so dealing with a liberal means wrangling over Progressivism.

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What makes it doubly frustrating is that normal people tend to treat people as if they are normal, rather than members of a bizarre religious cult. You forget yourself and make a reference to current events and all of a sudden you’re wrangling with Lefty over some topic in a way you find deeply frustrating. Usually they take something you have said and twist it around so that you find yourself trying to defend something you never thought much about or you never intended to discuss. It’s as if they exist to be a social irritant.

That’s the first rule when dealing with Lefty. As soon as you realize you are dealing with one of these people, accept that everything they say is somehow the opposite of reality. The Progressive mind is a lot like the mind of a criminal, in that it assumes its own guilt and acts accordingly. The criminal says things to lead prying eyes away from their own culpability. The Progressive will accuse others of things he or his cult is mostly like doing at the moment. When they accuse X of something, it means Lefty is probably doing it.

The Russian hacking stuff is turning out to be a great example of this. Exactly no one in America thought about the the possibility of Boris and Natasha scheming to upset the last election, until out of the blue, Progressives started saying it. A year later we have learned that it was not Trump working with the Russians, but members of the cult inside government that were scheming with the Russians. None of this would have come to light, but the guilty minds of the Left compelled them to accuse others of their criminality.

Similarly, the Progressive, on an individual basis, will seek to shift the focus from the topic at hand to something related, but far enough away from the topic to send the conversation off on a tangent. The most common method is “What about X?” Mention some failing of Progressives and Lefty will blurt out “what about X among your right-wingers?” Normal decent people respond to questions and Lefty uses that decency to avoid addressing the failings of his cult. Lefty naturally shifts the focus off himself.

Another trick Lefty will use is to start talking about exceptions. This is another way of distracting from some obvious truth, like the fact blacks commit a lot of crime, to a debate about exceptions and outliers. The alt-right boys call this tactic NAXALT, as in Not All X Are Like That. As with the above tactic, this is all about shifting the focus from an unpleasant topic for Lefty. Put the two together and in a few questions, Lefty can shift the conversation so far from the original topic, you no longer remember what you were saying.

This is why you always avoid answering a question from Lefty. The surest way to send him into a panic, is to respond to the “What about X” trick with “Let’s not lose focus” and then return to the original point. An alternative is “We can talk about that, but first let’s focus on” and then get back to the issue. This almost always causes them to spasm as they are being forced to address an unpleasant topic and what they thought was an easy escape is now turning into a trap. Often, they just walk away or explode in anger.

That’s the thing to keep in mind when dealing with Lefty. You can no more convince them to question their faith than you can talk a schizophrenic out of being crazy.  All they can be for you is a prop, or, if you get good at tormenting them, a toy to kill some time when the you have time to kill. This is the hardest thing for normal people to accept. Normal people think they can cure Lefty by presenting facts and evidence. There is no cure. These people are forever lost to a form of mental illness. Just accept that and act accordingly.

Most important, when dealing with Lefty, always make him the focus. A good tactic is what that British dunce Cathy Newman tried to do to Jordan Peterson. “So what your position is…” is a good way to focus on Lefty in a very personal way. They hate this. They want to believe they are simply accepting transcendent truths, rather than their own individual opinion. That’s the thing with people in cults. They hate themselves. That’s why they are in a cult so they no longer have to face themselves or have their own identity.

By personalizing the topic, re-framing it as their opinion or their belief, it has the effect of separating them from the herd. Often they will become quite passive and even submissive. That’s because Lefty has no opinions of his own. He truly is the Borg and the Borg is him. He sees no separation between himself and the faith, so isolating him rhetorically makes him feel detached from his true identity. It’s why liberals always set their chat shows up as a gang attack on some helpless non-liberal.

Finally, always insist on clear, plain language. A central tactic of the Left is to disrupt the opposition by sabotaging the language. The habit of expanding the definition of words to include fringe or dubious examples, then contracting the definition to exclude the original stuff. The use of modifiers to turn definitions on their head or neologism that conjure banal or even pleasant images for negative things. The game is to force you to accept their language, which is a back door way of forcing their moral framework on you.

 

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Anonymous
Anonymous
February 14, 2018 8:55 am

You can’t teach a pig to sing, you know the rest of that story.

But be sure to discriminate between the pigs and the simply un or misinformed that have never heard anything but what the Leftists have been telling them till you show up to give them something different to consider.

In the end, most people are going to believe what they want to believe, hear what they want to hear, and see what they want to see no matter what truth may be. You just have to accept that, but in doing so it helps to make sure you aren’t among them.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
February 14, 2018 8:57 am

Or just tell them to suck your dick.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Iska Waran
February 14, 2018 9:21 am

Problem is some of these Progressive faggots may want to take you up on that.

surfaddict
surfaddict
  Dutchman
February 14, 2018 11:16 am

How is that a problem?

Mountain Farmer Woman
Mountain Farmer Woman
February 14, 2018 9:09 am

Vox Day wrote several books about how do deal with lefties: “SJW’s Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police”.

A really good book is “The Evolutionary Psychology Behind Politics: How Conservatism and Liberalism Evolved Within Humans”. It explains the r/K theory of selection. Liberals are the r (rabbits who are looking for an easy life and a free ride and loose morals). Conservatives are the K (wolves who are warriors preserving society/tradition and working hard to produce for society and their families).

Dutchman
Dutchman
February 14, 2018 9:10 am

These ‘Progressives’ are sad people, never happy, act childish, their political beliefs are their religion.

I avoid them at all costs – which is mostly always.

Stucky
Stucky
February 14, 2018 9:20 am

“No matter how hard you try to avoid talking politics or current events with them, it always happens

Bull Fucking Shit.

You regulars here know I have a LIBTARD SEESTER … two time Obama voter, still loves Bernie, a vegan, rescues rabbits, you get the picture. A total retard.

She’s vocal. Indeed, always trying to interject politics in even the most apolitical situations. This is how I handle it:

“Uh huh.”
“Yeah, that’s terrible!”
“Not sure about that.”
“Fer sure! Fuck them Fox TV watchers!”

In other words … nod, agree, grunt something out, act retarded if necessary …. and then move on to something else. If the libtard continues, just rinse and repeat.

It’s just nuts that this writer doesn’t have the ability to CHOOSE to not engage in a conversation. Not engaging whatsoever, that’s the key …. for all the good reasons the author does give.

Never. Argue. With. A. Retard.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Stucky
February 14, 2018 9:23 am

Have you told her: “Never go full retard”.

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  Stucky
February 14, 2018 9:28 am

“In other words … nod, agree, …”

I have to disagree with you Stuckster.
I don’t let them get away with any BS. Yeah, I know, this creates enemies even or especially within the extended family.
So be it

Stucky
Stucky
  kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
February 14, 2018 11:20 am

I used to be like that.

But age is a factor. I’m in my 6th decade of existence. I have fought many fights … especially with her. To what avail?

I mostly agree with the poster ho said you can’t change people’s minds..

I have tired of it all. Yea, I have no fucks to give.

Well, except here. I still enjoy flinging shit here.

Not Sure
Not Sure
  Stucky
February 14, 2018 11:52 am

“Uh huh.”
“Yeah, that’s terrible!”
“Not sure about that.”

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
February 14, 2018 2:40 pm

Stuck, you know my travails with a certain co-worker. Although I managed to evict her from my waning aura of positivity, I had more housekeeping to do. You say libtard seester, I came up with an innocuous name, something like ‘bottlecap’. It removes the detritus of the offensive personality from my mind and replaces it with an object I have no feelings for or against.

Maggie said she was going to go undercover with a new moniker. Perhaps I should also drop her down the memory hole using this same technique; the term sand pebble might work. Damn, I forgot her already.

Lager
Lager
  Stucky
February 14, 2018 9:56 am

Right.
Some of the closest people can be ignorant, arrogant progressive liberal women.
Z mentions exactly, the frustration I’ve felt in past conversations attempted.
Stuck, I think he meant that all too often, conversations come around to the social political divisions.
Koko, some like to go toe-to-toe in those debates, but others might not do that effectively.
Stuck’s comments helped explain and more easily accept why my go to response is now to just disengage. It really is the best method that works for me to just avoid the grief.
I just pull out of the conversation, and walk away from the audience and noise,
when the retards suck up the given propaganda being broadcast, when I find myself in their midst.
edit / add: like HSF’s input here, too.

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  Lager
February 14, 2018 10:19 am

Lager……………I should have let it be known that your and Stuky’s approach is the best way to handle the situation, especially within family. I am aware of that.

However, something in my nature doesn’t allow for that. I do let some things go – I don’t look for confrontation. It depends on the situation and what was said.

Lager
Lager
  kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
February 14, 2018 11:46 am

No prob there. I was saying that I get caught off guard in arguments & am frustratingly not the best at verbal debates with libtards.
Wish I had that skill, but no longer see it as a short coming.
Better for me personally to just avoid it.
I’m better at writing than speaking f2f.

Bostonbob
Bostonbob
  Stucky
February 14, 2018 12:44 pm

Stucky,
I agree completely. Unless there is some harmless fun I would rather not use my precious time arguing with someone who in no way will be persuaded to rethink what they hold as core values. Living up here I work directly with and for people who say and truly believe in what they hear and it is literally the exact opposite of what I see and hear. They believe these things with all their heart and no amount of facts or truths often even personal experience will get them to change how they think/feel.
Bob

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
February 14, 2018 9:41 am

Most everyone here is in the top 10% as far as I can tell. That gives you certain advantages over the average progressive- very few of them are in the middle of the bell curve.

I’ve developed a couple of tactics and I use them based on the frequency of interaction and the utility of the person involved.

If your dentist is a lefty, for example, and there are no other options, feign ignorance. That’s always a good call, especially if it could come back to haunt you were you to make some kind of stand with them.

If the person is somewhat dim and of no importance- strangers in line at the store, one of your neighbor’s friends standing around in the yard when you pass by, etc.- be as nice to them as you would to a child or a disabled adult. It isn’t worth getting into it with them, since you’ll likely never encounter them again or rarely and it’s much better to be thought of as nice than anything else.

If it is a particularly loathsome person who you need to set up some kind of boundary with, give it to them with both barrels, but do it in a humorous way so that it seems jovial. I wish I could give you the particulars, but that’s just something you’ll have to figure out on your own. Let them know in no uncertain terms that you can run circles around them intellectually while everyone else just thinks you’re being funny. Watch some comedy club heckler responses on youtube to get an idea of what I’m talking about. It puts people in their place and at the same time it puts everyone else in the crowd on your side. Those kinds of interactions almost always wind up with the person trying to get on your good side afterwards, but you have got to be ruthless and never leave it unfinished. Humor on a social level is like a good combination in boxing. It is worth knowing if you are ever in a situation when it might come in useful.

Mostly I talk to them as if they are children, slow my speech down, use simple words and phrases, use that feminine uptalk and leave every sentence as if it’s a question, switch topics no matter where they go with something so you come off as inoffensive, but leave them feeling unsettled. It’s especially useful if you look like I do which is the polar opposite of soft. It creates a dissonance for them that can’t be articulated but it is definitely felt. Once they back off you go about your business.

Of course the best route is to find places where people are in harmony with you- family, friendships, community type organizations. You often learn more, you can let your guard down and you reinforce your connections to one another for the good rather than bicker and snark.

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wdg
wdg
February 14, 2018 9:43 am

My sense is that there is both a genetic and gender component to political beliefs. Although there is no shortage of liberal males unfortunately, females are dominantly liberal from my experience. As for genetic factors, the Minnesota Twin Studies indicate that our biological makeup does exert an influence on our political beliefs.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  wdg
February 14, 2018 9:59 am

The Twins do OK until they lose to the Yankees every time in the first round – those fuckers with their big payroll.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
February 14, 2018 9:49 am

I just call Hillary a war criminal. That usually ends the conversation.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Zarathustra
February 14, 2018 10:19 am

Lock her up!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Dutchman
February 14, 2018 10:30 am

Might eventually happen, the way things are starting to be revealed, but only if she doesn’t die first.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Zarathustra
February 14, 2018 9:03 pm

I sent my sisters the pictures in the dictators of love link and they became unhinged with the one of Barry and his man. Fake news they shouted. I just told them to watch the You Tube Joan Rivers comments to reporters shortly before she died in a routine office procedure. Also to watch Michael dancing on the Ellen DeGeneres show. Waiting for their response. This book “The Liberal Mind….” explains it all.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 14, 2018 10:03 am

This is why we need a peaceful separation. The Republicans need to pull all candidates out of Illinois.

Let the State Fail.

The problem is the left wants to impose their will on every aspect of life on everyone. Not just those who agree with them.

TPC
TPC
February 14, 2018 10:08 am

Strawmen and How to Burn Them – AltRight Edition.

Sarcasm aside, it is pretty good advice, both on how to handle a strawman, and on keeping the focus on the person in front of you and the topics at hand. It really does unnerve them. A few rounds of that and most people will be frustrated, then its pretty easy to drag in their own personal hypocrisy.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
February 14, 2018 10:32 am

I don’t agree. First off, none of us are in the top 10%, what ever that means. We all would like to think that, and we put on airs, but let’s be fair. Not a one of us is a Jordan Peterson. Not even close. And what he does is use his years of experience listening to people who don’t understand and then explaining to them how they are confused. But you all are frustrated because you can’t do either of those things. I treat these types of encounters as teaching experiences. If I can’t remember a specific argument point I will ask them to look it up on their phone. That gets them involved in arguing my side. I never push their buttons. A pissed off opponent is going to have a closed mind. I ask them to support their opinion with facts and then invite them to discuss both the facts that they present and the facts that I present.

The hard part, and this is why we are not in the 10%, is to remember the damned facts and to remain calm. If you can’t do either then you are doomed to a competition of opinions. As we all know, opinions are like assholes. We all have one and everyone else’s stinks. Every time the conversation drifts into opinion I try to steer it towards the fact side again. It doesn’t always work but it usually does and while I may never actually get them to switch sides, I do leave them scratching their heads. And that leads me to my final point.

What makes you so damned sure that your opinion is any better than theirs. For sure it is different. You believe that republicans are better than democrats. You believe that conservatives are better than liberals. We all do here in this echo chamber just as they believe the opposite in their echo chamber. The underlying premise in a free society (no I don’t consider this a free society) is that the truth can only be revealed thru the exchange of thoughts as expressed in words. This is why free speech is the most important right. If you are not free to express any opinion that you hold then you can never find the truth in the common ground between two opposite opinions. This is what Jordan Peterson did to Cathy Newman a couple of weeks ago. Yeah yeah, I know you have seen it. But watch it again. See how calmly he expresses himself. How effortlessly he recalls his counter arguments. And how this simply locks up her mind.

So you like to consider yourselves as right. We all do and we want to think that we are right all of the time. But every time you manage to get a conservative into the white house, nothing changes. And every time you get a liberal into the white house nothing changes. Both sides do exactly the same thing. Both sides invade the same countries. Both sides buy the same weapons. Both sides arm the same police forces. Nothing changes. And yet you cling to your dogma just as your nemesis clings to theirs. You sling your opinion up against the wall of their opinion and nothing is learned. You are wasting your time discussing strategies to argue with liberals because you aren’t smart enough to argue them to a common ground and they aren’t smart enough to argue you to a common ground. So both sides sit across tables all over merika and argue useless opinions while the criminals sit in four star restaurants and discuss facts over $400 meals. They are not really smarter than you, they just understand that facts matter so they know them. You only have opinions.

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  Hollywood Rob
February 14, 2018 10:54 am

I try to base my political opinion on facts, especially financial.
This puts a dagger into the opposition.

Stucky
Stucky
  Hollywood Rob
February 14, 2018 11:23 am

“You only have opinions.’
—- Hollywood Rob to HF

Wow. That’s just fucking brutal.

And, bullshit. But, that’s just my opinion.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Stucky
February 14, 2018 11:39 am

And that’s Stucky for the win.

Thank you.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Hollywood Rob
February 14, 2018 12:08 pm

Rob – you say none of us is top ten percent, or Jordan Petersen, not even close. That is bullshit. Totally.

There are a number of very smart folks around TBP. Jordan is an exceptional user of language. We may not have many of that particular skill. But take me for an example – my math skills would be as good or greater than his verbal, as would be my general ability to reason and visualize cause/effect/spot anomalies, and my verbal skills are very good. In combination my IQ would roughly equal his. That is the fact of it.

Stuck, HSF, Admin,SSS, Muck, Smokey and AWD when they were around, TPC, EC, etc (and apologies to those I have not mentioned) are all exceptional in one or more areas.

Thee are a great many excellent minds running around here. Make no mistake.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Llpoh
February 14, 2018 12:47 pm

You still have time to change thee to there.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Llpoh
February 14, 2018 2:11 pm

Thou art my hero, LLPOH!
EC

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous
February 14, 2018 9:09 pm

There you are…!

orgonesexbox
orgonesexbox
  Llpoh
February 14, 2018 3:11 pm

LOL, you compare yourself with Jordan Peterson.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  orgonesexbox
February 14, 2018 3:58 pm

Peterson is a smart man, however, Peterson speaks of greater men who achieve and over-achieve because of their willingness to sacrifice their time and effort in pursuit of their goal. Peterson is speaking of men like LLPOH.

orgonesexbox
orgonesexbox
  Anonymous
February 14, 2018 4:18 pm

How’s LLPOH’s dick taste Anonymous?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  orgonesexbox
February 14, 2018 5:02 pm

Very good, so I’ve heard from people like you, Oregon Beaver.
Your just jealous cause your hung like a gerbil.
EC

llpoh
llpoh
  orgonesexbox
February 14, 2018 4:12 pm

orgon – you are a fuckwit. I compare my intelligence with Jordan Petersen. I have listened to the guy. He is really good with words, is well educated, and can reason very well indeed. His IQ is reputed at or around 150, but he is also known to have some areas where he is not quite so bright, based on test scores. If it is 150, then I have him beat. Not to mention my particular skill sets are and have been much more valuable and more rewarded in the marketplace. Peterson may be able to turn his fame into lots of cash, but that remains to be seen.

I would kick Jordan’s ass at math, and I would beat him like a red-headed stepchild at finance, business strategy, etc. He has different specific skill sets and talents that are in areas different to mine.

I have met a large number of intellectual giants in my time. Giants congregate in certain locales, primarily top universities, and I have been fortunate enough to meet them and eve work with some. Jordan Peterson is very bright, with great insights, but he is not in my opinion an intellectual giant. I know when I am over-matched, and have met people that are so far out of my league that I am to them as a chimp is to an average human. But Peterson is not one of them. I have not seen him display the incredible abstract thought processes that true giants display, or the ability to visualize things mere mortals cannot.

Your ignorance is showing. You are clueless.

orgonesexbox
orgonesexbox
  llpoh
February 14, 2018 4:17 pm

Wow, I almost thought Peterson wrote that response …. NOT. Legend in your own mind.

llpoh
llpoh
  orgonesexbox
February 14, 2018 5:11 pm

And in my pocketbook. That is the payoff for me. I could have gone down Peterson’s path, and lived a life of modest academia, which was where Peterson was headed before fame was thrust upon him, but chose instead to make some money.

Orgon, you are without clue. You lack experience and substance. If you did not, you would understand the difference between run of the mill smart, like Peterson, and giants, like say Kissinger. Kissinger had many flaws, but being stupid was not one of them.

Peterson is not in the same intellectual league as Kissinger and co. Kissinger was smart to the tune of one among 3 or 4 millions. Peterson is smart to the tune of one among 1000. The difference is extreme. There would be a few posting on TBP of Peterson’s intellect. But no one of Kissinger’s.

If you had any exposure and experience to these things you might be able to understand. But perhaps not, given you are clearly a dullard.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  llpoh
February 14, 2018 7:19 pm

Oh come on Pooh. You can do better than to resort to name calling.

ad ho·mi·nem
adverb & adjective
1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
“vicious ad hominem attacks”

You don’t support your argument by proclaiming that you have the biggest dick or the biggest bank account. We can verify neither so must take your word for it that you are just about the smartest bloke in Oz. If you don’t like what someone says then you best try to present a counter argument. “You Suck” is really a weak contribution to the discussion.

Oh, and Kissassinger was not smart. He was a criminal of the highest order and you could consider that to be smart, but it could just as well be that his moral compass pointed straight to hell. He went to all the great parties. He had all the great dinners and slept with all of the high priced hookers. Sure, I guess that makes him smart…in your book anyway.

Honestly, do you proofread any of the things that you write?

llpoh
llpoh
  Hollywood Rob
February 14, 2018 8:02 pm

Rob – I was not addressing you, but now I will.

You are an imbecile, given the shit you are spewing. Kissinger not smart? You are retarded if you think that. Kissinger was one of only 4 students to ever graduate from Harvard with straight As. That is an incredible feat, given the brainiacs who have attended Harvard over 350 years or so. He was first in his undergrad and grad classes. Each undergrad class has around 2000 students, with an entry IQ of around 140 and up (not average, mind you, but where the general admittance cut-off would be.) .

Get the picture? He was first out of a couple thousand students with IQs of 140 and up.

He was tremendously bright. You may not like his actions – but he is one smart mother. His shit is smarter than you, but then so is a fucking goldfish.

Re me being the smartest in OZ – hardly. There would be 20,000 as smart or smarter than me, more or less. But very few would be better educated, experienced, or traveled than I. Those things are an additional advantage in my professional field. Too bad you do not have advantages, but rather only liabilities. Such is life.

As for my argument, I have presented it. I understand what intelligence is, and can recognize its varying levels based on many factors, the best being the person’s ability to abstract think, see patterns, and draw conclusions from various data sets, experience, etc. You do not have it.

Kissinger does, and in spades. Jordan Peterson does to lesser extent. Peterson seems excellent at explaining his abstract thoughts. I am a savant of sorts with numbers and in seeing patterns and in seeing links and anomalies, but without Peterson’s skill in explaining how I know what I know. Left brain right brain sort of stuff I imagine.

I do not bother proofreading, by the way. Tough titty for you.

Intelligence has nothing to do with being a criminal, or with morality. It is about intelligence. You stupidly trying to link intelligence with such is simply evidence of your personal lack of it.

llpoh
llpoh
  Hollywood Rob
February 14, 2018 8:06 pm

Rob –

You are an imbecile, given the shit you are spewing. Kissinger not smart? You are retarded if you think that. Kissinger was one of only 4 students to ever graduate from Harvard with straight As. That is an incredible feat, given the brainiacs who have attended Harvard over 350 years or so. He was first in his undergrad and grad classes. Each undergrad class has around 2000 students, with an entry IQ of around 140 and up (not average, mind you, but where the general admittance cut-off would be.) .

Get the picture? He was first out of a couple thousand students with IQs of 140 and up.

He was tremendously bright. You may not like his actions – but he is one smart mother. His shit is smarter than you, but then so is a fucking goldfish.

Re me being the smartest in OZ – hardly. There would be 20,000 as smart or smarter than me, more or less. But very few would be better educated, experienced, or traveled than I. Those things are an additional advantage in my professional field. Too bad you do not have advantages, but rather only liabilities. Such is life.

As for my argument, I have presented it. I understand what intelligence is, and can recognize its varying levels based on many factors, the best being the person’s ability to abstract think, see patterns, and draw conclusions from various data sets, experience, etc. You do not have it.

Kissinger does, and in spades. Jordan Peterson does to lesser extent. Peterson seems excellent at explaining his abstract thoughts. I am a savant of sorts with numbers and in seeing patterns and in seeing links and anomalies, but without Peterson’s skill in explaining how I know what I know. Left brain right brain sort of stuff I imagine.

I do not bother proofreading, by the way. Tough titty for you.

Intelligence has nothing to do with being a criminal, or with morality. It is about intelligence. You stupidly trying to link intelligence with such is simply evidence of your personal lack of it.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  llpoh
February 15, 2018 1:14 am

While you are to be sure a prince among men. I for one bow down to your majesty and can only hope to aspire to the great heights to which you so effortlessly glided. Your great wealth and limitless kindness are truly humbling.

Astrological Analysis and meaning of LLPOH

LLPOH has a life path of 9. LLPOH means: With a Life Path 9, your numbers are (9, 18/9, 27/9, 36/9). The Life Path 9 indicates that you entered this life with an abundance of dramatic feelings coupled with a strong sense of compassion and generosity. (No that doesn’t seem to fit now does it.) The key to the nature of a Life Path number 9 person is in their humanitarian attitude. Even the average possess extremely compassionate tendencies with life path 9. Usually this number produces a person who is very trustworthy and honorable, and can accommodate any kind of prejudice. (Oops, accommodation doesn’t really seem to be your forte either.) Obviously this is a pretty tall order, but you are actually a person who for individuals less fortunate than yourself feel very deeply, and if you are able to help, sure. 9 is the highest of the single digit numbers, holds an elevated position with respect to the responsibility for mankind. Material gains are not as important, even though the quality of some with life path 9 is such that they will be rewarded clearly with material gains. However, it is the way of 9 Life path is not to get rich extravagantly, because they are very generous, sometimes to a fault, and usually have an easy come, easy go attitude about money. The rare 9 life path has a completely unselfish attitude, to give up the attitude of material possessions for the common good. The life path 9 indicates that you have a strong presence. You have the ability to make friends easily because people are attracted to your magnetic, open personality. To describe the way of life path 9, you may be in fact the one who is optimistic with good warmth and being friendly at heart is generally in your nature. You’ll meet people easily and make friends quickly, because of your candor and amiable behavior. (No this does not seem to fit very well either.) Your brilliant ways are set often in all areas of activity you pursue. Relationships can be difficult for you, because it is difficult to find a balance that works efficiently. If your partner shares your attitude, the relationship will be happy and permanent. On the other hand, if you have a partner, whose goal is to gain material things, problems may arise quickly. They tend to be very sensitive, as you see the world with a lot of emotion. (On the other hand this part seems right on.) The number 9 with very deep understanding of life is sometimes manifested in the artistic and literary fields. (Clearly not literary, maybe art is your strength.) When the drama and action are not your forte, they will certainly be an area of ​​great interest and potential. Similarly, you might be able to express your deep emotional feelings through painting, writing, music or other art forms. The purpose of life for those who have a 9 life path, is often philosophically. The judges, the spiritual leaders, healers and educators frequently have much 9 energy. The holders of life path 9 are less inclined to see a competitive environment or fight. How about the negatives of life path 9? Due to the demanding nature of the truly positive 9, many tend to fail in this category. It is common for people struggling with life path 9 to live a fulfilling life grounded in reality. (Now we are getting closer.) The challenges of purpose imposed by society because of selflessness is not an easy undertaking. You can find it difficult to believe that giving and a lack of personal ambition can be satisfying. It must be realized and accepted that little long-term satisfaction and happiness is to be gained by rejecting the natural humanitarian inclinations of this path.

orgonesexbox
orgonesexbox
  llpoh
February 15, 2018 6:43 am

Keep burying yourself Blowhard. You admire Kissinger – the king of New World Order scum, also a war criminal with the blood of innocents on his hands. May you suck his dick in hell.

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  llpoh
February 14, 2018 8:20 pm

“Peterson may be able to turn his fame into lots of cash, but that remains to be seen.”

Peterson currently makes $67k per month from his Patreon supporters, and growing.

Don’t know his salary or YouTube or anything else. But $800k+ per year seems pretty aight.

llpoh
llpoh
  Rdawg the fascist
February 14, 2018 8:35 pm

Rdawg – read something like that. He is doing well at the moment, and that may increase with book sales, etc. He is 55, so has time on speaking circuit, etc. But if not for recent fame, he would be trundling along on a professor’s salary – livable but not wealthy. I would not swap with him, though.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Hollywood Rob
February 14, 2018 3:48 pm

If I had to look up something to support your argument, I would quickly conclude you have no argument and it is a waste of time to talk with you.

The video you posted is great. I don’t get the idea that he destroyed her side, they concluded their discussion amicably. He is a clinical psychologist. His purpose is to help people, not destroy them. Those argumentative types end up in irritating debates on cable tv.

Maybe you are not aware, though it sounds strange since you live in Hollywoodland, that interviewers run their questions by the subject before going on air so they know what answer to expect. She asked pointed questions on behalf of the audience. An interviewer who doesn’t ask the right questions is said to have asked softball questions. Ineffective interviewers will soon lose viewers, which is the reason George Lopez and Arsenio Hall crashed and burned.

His argument sounds so much in line with what El Doggie teaches that I wonder if he is a student of Peterson. But El Doggie has been doing his radio show for years, long before we heard of Peterson. Both have the conservative perspective of a male dominated world and the proper roles for men and women.

Like El Doggie, he does not seek to denigrate women but to discuss the approach women and men should employ in reaching their goals. He rightly calls the efforts of activists as authoritarian and pins that label on the identity politics – feminist, transgender or white nationalists – where the group identity is greater than individual choice.

Peterson adds his view on liberal newspeak (personal pronouns) as it relates to dictators and identity politics. He describes the natural state of hierarchies in nature and human organizations; in every revolution, one man ends up in charge.
EC

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Anonymous
February 15, 2018 1:48 am

Mouse, I did not even begin to suggest that his goal was to destroy her. His only goal was to support his position in the face of her obviously leftest questions. Her questions were the embodiment of Zman’s post on talking to liberals. That is supposed to be the thing that we are discussing here.

I don’t know how your youtube works but mine puts up suggested videos related to the one that you are watching. If you take a look at some of those you will see two things. The first is that Cathy was cordial to Jordan before the interview and that the questions were not discussed beforehand. Your assumption that they were may be correct but he does not seem to say that they were. The second is that his intent aside, he clearly knew that he had locked her up and she admitted that he had locked her up. When you get your liberal opponent to start stuttering, you know you have won. He declared victory and she acknowledged his victory. Later he offered to have a further discussion to help lead her through the logical inconsistencies in her position. I can’t say if she accepted but I suspect not, although I would not be too surprised to find that she is now one of his clients.

I can’t comment on this El Doggie you speak of but do agree with your comment on the authoritarian nature of the dogmatic left. To me they appear more authoritarian than even the furthest right I have ever heard of. But my point was that his approach to talking to a liberal was successful. I still don’t think that he changed her mind but he could have and he might at some time in the future. I can’t see how stopping the discussion with your liberal friends is ever going to get anybody anywhere. Freedom of speech is the first right set down in the constitution because it is the well spring from which all other freedoms issue. If you can’t talk freely, then you are not free. Anyone who tries to take your ability to talk freely from you is not a person who believes in freedom. They can only believe in oppression.

Hate speech is free speech.

All speech is free speech.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Hollywood Rob
February 14, 2018 4:41 pm

“First off, none of us are in the top 10%, what ever that means. ”

How can you disqualify something when you admit that you don’t even know what it is?

I was referring to intellectual capacity. Eating a $400 dinner doesn’t presuppose a higher level of intelligence.

llpoh
llpoh
  hardscrabble farmer
February 14, 2018 5:17 pm

HSF – some folks have not enough experience to understand. I think your 10% estimate is accurate-ish. That is around an IQ of 120 and above. Perhaps a little high for the entire cohort, but it reflects the general truism that TBPers are a smart bunch overall. (Except for orgon of the gerbil dick clan, of course.)

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  Hollywood Rob
February 14, 2018 8:16 pm

It’s been awhile since I looked up current IQ stats, but I think average is still around 100 in these United States with a standard deviation of 15. To capture the 90th percentile is about 1.645 standard deviations from average, so 100+1.645*15, or about 125 IQ.

Stanford-Binet classifies 120-129 as superior, 130-144 gifted/very advanced, 145-160 very gifted/highly advanced.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 14, 2018 11:10 am

You notice how these commies have become free traders?

Have them explain comparative advantage and give a simple math example . They can’t. They need an authoritarian like Krugman to tell them something is good or bad.

Maybe,. being a subservient is desirable for some people.

Uncola
Uncola
February 14, 2018 2:03 pm

The game is to force you to accept their language, which is a back door way of forcing their moral framework on you.

Don’t be fooled by the orthodoxies of the messengers.

To that, I will add another key element necessary to understand the borg mind. It is this:

Liberals believe what they WISH to be true.

Facts be damned. And – in most cases – they will not let go of what they wish were true even after they long cross the rubicon into devastating mental retardation. It’s like a chinese finger trap. The more you challenge their beliefs, the more they hold on to them.

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Bostonbob
Bostonbob
  Uncola
February 14, 2018 2:48 pm

Uncola,
I love your writing. Thank you for your contributions, it is one of the many reasons this is the best site on the “interwebs.” From what I have seen “liberals” not only wish these things they believe to be true, they honestly believe them to be true. They also believe that people who do not understand their beliefs are truly uneducated, racists, and have intractable values that inhibit the advancement of society in their world view. The arguments I hear are not just one sided but hold a bitter contempt for any other view. I have met and worked with many who some might call well educated by today’s standards, and yet some how they cannot wrap their heads around the fact that there are a large number of people who hold truly different views than them. Often well educated ordinary people who actually disagree with their world view. I think that even if you brought together two well meaning groups from both sides with a good grasp of “their” facts that neither of them would be any closer at the end of a lengthy debate.
Bob.

Uncola
Uncola
  Bostonbob
February 14, 2018 4:23 pm

@ BostonBob – Regarding the libtarded and their beliefs – when you say “they honestly believe them to be true” – I have a mental assent to that as factual. However – for the life of me – I don’t understand it. Nor do I want to accept it. It is, in fact, what I find so confounding. How can facts (i.e. truth) be debatable? And why can’t intentions be analyzed/measured by their observable results/outcomes?

In my opinion, it is “feeling” versus logic. Like in a dream where we can fly because the laws of physics (i.e. gravity) do not apply to our consciousness when we sleep – or better yet – Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adam’s “movie in the mind” construct.

Right now there are two stories playing in the American Media: Spousal abuse by a White House aide versus a sitting U.S. President weaponizing the FBI and DOJ against a political opponent.

Pass the popcorn.

Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate them more than you might realize.

Maggie
Maggie
  Uncola
February 14, 2018 9:12 pm

Uncola, your posts are my favorites in the world. Signed MOM

Full Retard
Full Retard
  Maggie
February 14, 2018 9:20 pm

Did you breast-feed, Unweaned, Maggie?

John Boy Seeking Carl the Trollslayer
John Boy Seeking Carl the Trollslayer
  Maggie
February 15, 2018 12:14 am

G’nite Martha.

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Richard Thomas
Richard Thomas
  John Boy Seeking Carl the Trollslayer
February 15, 2018 12:17 am

I done been doppled, Paw.

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  Uncola
February 14, 2018 8:26 pm

It’d be funny if we could get Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham to stick their peckers in each end of one of those finger traps.

RS
RS
February 14, 2018 2:16 pm

HSF brought “10%” into the conversation.

10% of what? Income? Intelligence?

Please clarify. Thanks.

Bostonbob
Bostonbob
  RS
February 14, 2018 3:05 pm

RS,
I think HSF means pricks. Definitely the top 10% of the pricks on the “interwebs.” I mean some are thick, some are long winded, others are definitely bent. You can see the short ones a mile away. Each one a prick in there own way. Some shy, some bold, some rabbit killers each one is a head above the others. I think you have to have real balls to be a prick. Admin is definitely the biggest prick of them all.
Bob

Maggie
Maggie
  Bostonbob
February 14, 2018 9:14 pm

I take umbrage. Severe umbrage at the rabbit killer inclusion.

Bostonbob
Bostonbob
  Maggie
February 15, 2018 8:14 am

Maggie,
We love you here. Feel free to take all the umbrage you want. You can even have some of mine. BTW, I truly enjoy your posts. It is one of the many reasons I come hear regularly.
Bob.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  RS
February 14, 2018 4:44 pm

Right hand side of the intellectual bell curve.

The talented tenth.

I was being conservative in my estimation. I actually believe it is higher, but I didn’t want to seem like a putz*.

* see ‘prick’

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
February 14, 2018 6:46 pm

I heard a funny yesterday, the irritating kind: On the one hand, Hollywood rob is a putz but on the other hand he’s a prick.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Anonymous
February 14, 2018 7:26 pm

Hey mouse, If I understood what you were trying to say there I would gladly have become offended. As it is, your sentence above and the comments to this thread only serve to prove my point that HSF is being overly kind in his assessment of the mental capabilities of this august body. Keep trying though. We all are here to learn; are we not?

Full Retard
Full Retard
  Hollywood Rob
February 14, 2018 9:28 pm

Hey Twinkletoes, your a little light on your feet, know what I mean? Your not packing the intellectual nutsack to comment here. Your long intro to that vid was entirely unnecessary. It only showed you don’t understand what he said or what he stands for. I don’t condemn you entirely, I’m sure your bleached anus looks fabulous.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Full Retard
February 15, 2018 1:53 am
nkit
nkit
February 14, 2018 7:00 pm

I told a lefty that I know when he spews his shit that “If I wanted to hear an asshole make a lot of noise, I would have eaten a couple of cans of beans last night.”

B
B
February 15, 2018 8:25 pm

Like Stucky says, “Never argue with a retard.” That is how I handle people form the far right. Works.