The Public Square

Guest Post by The Zman

If you wanted to start a delivery service, you would need vehicles of some sort to make your deliveries. You would need to hire drivers and people to help figure out the logistics of delivering whatever it is you intend to deliver. The other thing you would need is permits to operate your delivery vehicles on the road. The reason for that is the roads belong to the public. The job of the state is to maintain the roads and part of that is regulating how the roads are used. That means you have to obey the rules in order to use the roads.

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This may seem obvious, but it is not something that was always obvious. For most of human history, the concept of a “public good” did not exist. In a feudal economy, everything belongs to the king or lord. The common grazing lands would be used by everyone, but they belonged to the king and so did the animals. The military, which defended the king’s lands, was the king’s army, because it was explicitly for the use of the king to defend his possessions. In feudalism, there were no public goods.

Under communism, in theory at least, everything is a public good. The people own the land and the capital that is accumulated through labor. In reality this is a fiction, of course, as it is the state that owns everything. The party controls the state and those who control the party essentially own everything. This is not a lot different from feudalism, except that the guy in charge is not the leader of “his people” in the ethnic sense. Otherwise, all goods, excludable and nonexcludable are held by whoever runs the party.

It is only in participatory government where we have to think about public goods. Things like parks, highways, seaports, rivers, the military and even the air are considered public goods. How these are used and regulated is determined by the people’s representatives in government. All of us get the benefit of these things so all of us have a say in how they are regulated. It’s why a city has to issue permits for parades and protests, when the participants are unpopular. Even the ugly and annoying get to use public goods.

The concept of public goods, like the concept of participatory government, did not spring from nothing. It evolved over time as people worked through how to conserve and manage things like natural resources. The American national park system was created because it solved the problem of managing the great natural wonders of the country. The government manages fisheries, because we slowly figured out, due to over fishing, that even the coastal waterways are public goods and must managed as such.

This notion of public goods is what drives the idea of universal suffrage. The government itself is seen as a public good. The military does not just protect property holders or natives. The police don’t just patrol the streets of land owning white males. If all of us are going to get use of the government, good and ill, then all of us should have some say in how the government runs, within reasonable limits. We bar criminals from voting, for the same reason we ban the insane from voting. These are exceptions that prove the rule.

This link between democracy and public goods is important to keep in mind when thinking about the on-going efforts by Progressives to shut-off dissent from the Internet. Like trucking companies, outfits like YouTube could not exist without the information super highway, owned by all of us. It’s why these big content providers fight to prevent the ISP’s from throttling their content. If Comcast can block NetFlix from its networks, Comcast can suddenly operate like a protection racket, stripping these services of their profits.

Now, it is not unreasonable to demand companies like YouTube pay some special tax for their use of the Internet. They use this resource way out of proportion than anyone else, so a special use tax is a way to address it. Trucking companies pay special use taxes, because heavy trucks are more damaging to the road than your car. Similarly, parade organizers are often charged for police details and other security measures, because these are above and beyond normal use of the streets.

Like the parade route or the public park, there is an overriding issue and that is these public goods are intertwined with our democratic form of government. Controlling access to the park for a rally, is no different than controlling access to the public square for a political speech or access to the ballot for a political party. Even if a public park is managed by a private operator, a common thing these days, the rules governing this public good still apply. Regardless who who cuts the grass, the park is ours.

That’s what needs to apply to these large social media companies. Like it or not, the internet is now the public square. These services like Twitter and YouTube only exist because the public square exists and the concept of the public good exists. If Twitter goes away tomorrow, the internet still exists. If the internet goes away tomorrow, all of the social media platforms go with it. In this regard, they are no different from a vendor operating in a public park. They must abide by the same rules as the public.

As far as the argument that these are private companies goes, well, that is true, but again, they cannot exist without this commonly held thing called the internet. If FaceBorg had to build out its own infrastructure to deliver cat videos and virility ads to your grandmother, it would have to charge granny millions for the service. In other words, these services benefit from this public utility we call the internet, the trade-off for them, like a public broadcaster, is they have to adhere to the rules the public sets for regulating that utility.

The rules we apply to holding rallies in public parks, holding parades on public streets and issuing permits for conducting commerce on public thoroughfares need to be applied to businesses that operate on-line. If Twitter wants to charge users like a private club, then they can impose ideological rules. If they want to operate as a public square, then they must operate like one. This is the California model that is now going to be used in a lawsuit against Twitter. It needs to be the model nationally so we can have a public square back.

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kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
March 6, 2018 7:58 am
unit472/
unit472/
March 6, 2018 8:35 am

Here, here. Google and Facebook cannot be the arbiters of what can be said on their platforms. If they are open to the public then only ‘speech’ which is prohibited under existing law can be removed.

Google might remove a video of a man threatening his ex wife or posting video taken of her having sex without her permission but short of those limited exceptions it cannot treat one content creator differently from another save perhaps to allow for a warning of explicit or adult only content.

steve
steve
March 6, 2018 8:49 am

Clear logic for sure. But, but ,but I think Goolag and Fukbook are intentional end runs around the 1st Amend to shape and control thought. They are pet projects of the CIA, with $Billions in funding to them both in exchange for all the tasty info about us provided to our above mentioned overlords. That’s where the wicket gets sticky, mate…

Anonymous
Anonymous
March 6, 2018 9:26 am

We need more government regulation, and more government ownership of everything the public accesses.

It’s the only way we can solve problems, the final solution to it all.

Wip
Wip
  Anonymous
March 6, 2018 9:51 am

Sarc, I assume? I don’t think that is what zman is advocating for but…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Wip
March 6, 2018 10:59 am

It’s what I understood from the article, and the seeming sentiment of posters about it.

Wip
Wip
  Anonymous
March 6, 2018 3:01 pm

I must have missed something. I didn’t see him say everything.

JIMSKI
JIMSKI
  Anonymous
March 6, 2018 11:42 am

Fuck you.

TJF
TJF
March 6, 2018 10:16 am

The part I am confused about is the claim that the infrastructure of the internet is a publicly owned property. I thought the big telcoms laid the cable and ran the the backbone of the internet. It matters whether or not the internet is public or not. If not, then the whole premise of this post falls apart. I really don’t know one way or the other.

Mad as hell
Mad as hell
  TJF
March 6, 2018 10:43 am

That is almost exactly what I was thinking. Listen, I am no fan of the big telecoms, however the local ISP, usually the local TV / cable operator, and the legacy copper cable phone company own 98% of the infrastructure that supports the internet. The net neutrality thing is a farce, and the reason is that Comcast, while being complete assholes, also owns the means by which Netflix is able to feed 4K TV to your living room at 7mpbs, for $11.00 / month. However, it costs Comcast a hell of a lot more to deliver this, of which, Comcast under net neutrality is legally forbidden from charging Netflix. Is it fair that someones website that loads on your computer, and takes up less than 1mbps bandwidth is on equal footing with a company like Netflix, that can easily, in one evening stress the infrastructure (big blade Cisco Routers and concentrators) to the tune of Terrabytes? Any network engineer will tell you that the only publicly owned part of the internet is the technology itself (TCP/IP) and the basic concept. Outside of some major universities however, most of the backbone of the internet is owned by private companies. They may be regulated as public utilities, but they ARE private.

Jimmy Torpedo
Jimmy Torpedo
  TJF
March 7, 2018 7:36 pm

I was confused when he said we didn’t let criminals or the insane vote.
What about the criminal Democratic party and their insane supporters?

starfcker
starfcker
March 6, 2018 10:33 am

I find the whole thing hilarious. My premise for a long time on this blog has been that concentrated power is the enemy, it doesn’t matter whether it’s privately-held or public (government). The default position of many many posters here is private good -government bad. I’ll make a statement again I’ve made many times. The only force big enough and bad enough to reign in concentrated power in some of these companies is a just and lethal federal government. Taxing Facebook or regulating Facebook won’t be the answer. The answer is antitrust. Make them smaller. Make them less powerful. No different from the robber barons a hundred years ago. They will be wealthy for eternity, but they won’t have the power they once did. It has to happen. And it’s not just the tech guys.

Wip
Wip
  starfcker
March 6, 2018 3:04 pm

Star, I have argued with you on a few things but this comment here is the #1 comment I’ve ever read of yours. Bravo my friend.

starfcker
starfcker
  Wip
March 6, 2018 3:22 pm

Thanks WIP. It’s the variety of positions and the ferocity of the debate that makes this place what it is. You have emerged as a fearless participant, open to whatever makes sense. It will serve you well

Wip
Wip
  starfcker
March 6, 2018 3:57 pm

This is the one thing (outsize/monopolistic power) I never could get LLPOH to agree with me on.

Trapped in Portlandia
Trapped in Portlandia
March 6, 2018 11:18 am

Zman, one of your best articles and an explanation of common or public goods that would put a university economics professor to shame. Plus, lots of good comments by the TBP crowd.

Like some of the commenters, I’m not sure if I buy the premise that the “internet” is a public good. It is not like a road or park that was probably built and managed by government for the public. It is not really like air or water where we must regulate users so they don’t all pollute it.

I actually think Starfcker is heading down the right path with his theory that big is bad and a little anti-trust action would solve a lot of problems. The problem is Facebook and Google are too big and they control way too much. Hell, Google even owns YouTube. If you broke up these entities you would create more natural choices and competition. Competition is always good.

For example, rather than one giant Google/YouTube, you might have RedYouTube (Alex Jones vids), BlueYouTube (Rachel Maddow reruns), CatYouTube (endless cat videos), etc., etc. Of course this will never work in 2018 Merica where the liberals believe that only their point of view should be voiced in public.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
March 6, 2018 11:41 am

So I would ask everyone the following: Is the problem Zman outlines solvable by the free market? Or is the FAANG gang just too big at this point? Most computers and phones have “off” switches. But I also accept that “network effects” lead to monopolies.

starfcker
starfcker
  Captain Willard
March 6, 2018 12:04 pm

Thanks Trapped. And Captain, you ask some good questions. Think back to the robber barons. The railroad and steel guys for instance, Standard Oil, the whole bunch. They did more for pushing this country forward than anybody ever did since the founders. And they were richly rewarded for what they did, as they should be. The tech guys are no different. Trump had a meeting with them early in his presidency and told them flat out, you guys are the most extraordinary men on Earth. And they have been richly rewarded for pushing us forward in that way. But that doesn’t mean that they should have a monopoly on power. And all that concentrated wealth gives them that power and we start finding out that underneath the brilliance in their field some of them are just fucking weird little guys with really weird ideas about How society should work. And they’re too driven just kick back and enjoy their money. So they need a nudge in that direction. We have all the laws we need to do just about anything. We just need to start enforcing those laws. And if we simultaneously shrink government, in particular redistribution, will solve a lot of problems that way also

unit472/
unit472/
  starfcker
March 6, 2018 1:15 pm

The internet has become a ‘common carrier’ in the same way railroads, power companies and telephone companies have been. Go out and look at your ‘telephone’ pole. On it you will see the electric power companies wires at the top and the cable and telephone companies wires on the bottom.

Most of these rights of way originated with the building of the railroads and telegraph lines went up along the same routes. When telephones and electricity came along they used the same rights of way but the term ‘telephone pole’ stuck even though today they are more often owned by the electric utility with the telephone and cable companies just paying a fee to use the power companies infrastructure.

From Wikipaedia-” A common carrier offers its services to the general public under license or authority provided by a regulatory body. The regulatory body has usually been granted “ministerial authority” by the legislation that created it. The regulatory body may create, interpret, and enforce its regulations upon the common carrier (subject to judicial review) with independence and finality, as long as it acts within the bounds of the enabling legislation.”

Hello Google, Hello Facebook meet ‘Common Carrier’.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
  starfcker
March 6, 2018 1:15 pm

The Robber Barons of old were monopolists and crooks too. The railroads rigged prices. They swindled investors to build the transcontinental RR. The Credit Mobilier was the Enron of its day. There’s nothing new under the sun.

Rockefeller vertically integrated and drove horizontal competitors out of business. Carnegie crushed start-up competitors ruthlessly, stooping so low as to spread lies about the quality of their steel.

They chose several Presidents, including Hayes and Garfield. Mark Hanna, Mellon and a few others hand-picked McKinley. Now I’m not arguing today’s Tech oligarchs have no power. But it’s really nothing new in US history. What matters is the response to their dominance.

Oligarchs will loosen their grip when they get scared enough. We’re a long way from that I suspect.

starfcker
starfcker
  Captain Willard
March 6, 2018 2:35 pm

Right Captain, and government by choice, stood back and let them do it, just like they did with the tech guys. Because the reasons for letting them do it was the extraordinary push they gave society. But at some point you got to clean it up. I’m a little more optimistic than you, I think that’s now

rhs jr
rhs jr
March 6, 2018 12:02 pm

Houston, Conservatives have a problem. Without a benevolent big pocket communications supporter to counter the ZOG’s CIA/NSA, Conservatives will soon be silenced (or back to small newspapers, flyers, and HF radio). The Illuminati control the money and corporations and all ZOG help like PBS/NPR , public schools, the Small Business Administration, the Civil Rights Department, Black Colleges, FCC, IRS, are as Evil as Communist Russia was. TPTB screws are turning to extinguish the First and Second Amendments rights of Conservatives and then our very lives. Whenever a government becomes destructive of peoples Rights, it is their Right to abolish it. Trump has maybe a year to drain the Swamp.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
March 6, 2018 12:21 pm

I too think that this is one of Zman’s best posts. It is exceptionally well thought out and well written. And just as the phone companies own the phone lines, and the cable companies own the cables, that does not mean that they are not regulated to ensure that their predatory instincts don’t interfere with the use which they ostensibly sell to the public for the public good. Capitalism is predation. It will inevitably lead to monopolies if left unchecked and for sure, Google, Amazon, and a few other massive private companies have become predatory. There has only ever been one mechanism for the control of these predatory instincts and that has been, in the past, the intervention of government.

Unfortunately, if you wish to become a predatory monopoly the best thing that you can do is first take over the only impediment to your avarice. You need to buy the government. This is how the East India Company got a monopoly on tea and fomented the merikan revolution. This is how Google and Amazon manage to grow ever larger. So the question is not “how do we keep these huge companies from shutting down opposing points of view?” It is more important to ask “how can we clean up the corruption that allows these huge companies to shut down opposing points of view?”