Why Science and Experience Command That You Buy an “Assault Rifle”

Guest Post by Kurt Schlichter

Why Science and Experience Command That You Buy an “Assault Rifle”

It must be nice walking through life believing that the paradise the founders built here in North America is the natural state of man, and that we can therefore forgo the difficult and dangerous tasks associated with defending it. But some of us don’t have the luxury of illusions. We know that peace and civilization are not the natural state of man, and that the black swan events that we have somehow convinced ourselves could never happen do happen with startling regularity. And this is why you should buy guns and ammunition.

Specifically, you should own, at a minimum, a modern semiautomatic rifle like an AR-15 that is simple to operate, easily accessorized for the individual user, reliable, and rugged. Liberals call these “assault rifles,” though they are not. Insisting that liberals be accurate when describing what they seek to ban is “gunsplaining,” a heinous macroaggression that is right up there with assuming someone’s gender on the Big List O’ Liberal Sins.

If you don’t agree with me, you clearly hate science. Why do liberals hate science so much?

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But it is science – the math is clear that chaos is in the cards, and you better be ready. As BJ Campbell writes in his brilliant article The Surprisingly Solid Mathematical Case of the Tin Foil Hat Gun Prepper (Or, “Who Needs an AR-15 Anyway?”) – thank  you Kathy Shaidle for the pointer! – we already face a significant chance of significant upheaval in the near future even before we factor in the kind of attacks on the rule of law and on citizen sovereignty that we’re currently seeing from the left and their Fredocon appeaser pals.

We are watching a real-time elite coup to undo the election. Our rights to free speech, freedom of religion and the right to keep and bear arms are under vicious attack by liberals and their cultural and corporate cronies. The elite is no longer even hiding its belief that Normals have no right to govern ourselves.

And the Normals feel it. They have the unsettling, nagging feeling that the fabric of society is fraying, that this is all starting to fall apart. And their anxiety manifests not just in whispered questions like “Do you think this is going to end in a civil war?” (Probably not, but the good news is that if the Democrats provoke another one the Normals will win again). It manifests in the culture. Look at the popularity of apocalyptic entertainments like The Walking Dead. Look at the number of TV shows about people prepping for disaster. Heck, look at the sales of my novels about America’s fate if liberals are allowed to rule unchallenged – and the terrible conflict that would lead to.

Being prepared, which means having the means to physically defend yourself and your rights (that means guns, folks), is the rational choice, the choice compelled by science. It is also your legal duty – and moral duty – as an American citizen.

Or you can be defenseless. Helpless. A subject instead of a citizen. But science makes clear that chaos is a real possibility. Are you going to be ready, or are you just going to deny science?

The lessons of experience support the science. I once got in a Twitter argument with Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo about how you can’t truly be a man if you don’t have weapons to defend what yours. Before he blocked me, he scoffed at the notion that we should rely on ourselves for our own defense rather than rely on the government – this was before the Broward Coward disgrace – because our civilization could ever collapse. Except it has.

I know. I was there.

I saw it with my own eyes about 26 years ago right here in the middle of a huge American city. I was in the midst of the Los Angeles riots, in South Central and elsewhere, as an Army first lieutenant, starting the first night. And now I don’t have the luxury of comfortable limousine liberal fantasies about how you can outsource your duty to defend yourself, your family, your community, and your Constitution.

I saw the terrified, defenseless people at the mercy of thugs. The cops? Gone. But those Korean groceries on the rooftops with their rifles – they were not defenseless.

I was unarmed at first, and I won’t make that mistake again. I preparing for my first year of law school final exams when the trouble started. I was home in Pasadena when I saw the broadcast of the Reginald Denny atrocity – that’s when a bunch of animals dragged a guy out of his truck and smashed his head in with a brick on television after the LAPD fled.

I was less than a year back from the Gulf War, and I had sold all my guns before leaving my home station in Germany to muster out. Only a couple months before I had decided to give the Army another go and joined the California Army National Guard’s 3rd Battalion, 160th Infantry, located in beautiful downtown Inglewood. If you don’t know Los Angeles geography, let me put it this way. A lot of the buildings around the armory would be burned down by the end of the riots, except not the Astro Burger. Burgers build bridges.

So, I called the battalion HQ and asked if we would be getting mobilized and was told “No.” Being a soldier, I immediately started packing and then soon got the call: Get in here, LT.

Great. Drive from Pasadena into Inglewood in the middle of a riot with no gun. I took the advice of a frazzled cop with a pump-action 12 gauge at a road block off the 405 who was baffled at why this white Army guy in a 1988 gold Chevy Beretta needed to drive toward the fires. I drove really fast.

At the time, the then-geniuses running the Guard centralized all the Guard’s ammo about four hours away. But the Guardsmen – many of them from the affected neighborhoods – took the kind of initiative that makes American soldiers the best in the world. They brought their own stuff. I never saw so many guns in my life, and the gangsters and rioters wisely, with some exceptions that worked out poorly for the bad guys, gave our troops a wide berth.

But we eventually got Army ammo, and though I did nothing personally heroic or edgy, I carried a M16A1. That’s a real assault rifle, with full auto capability. My selector switch lock, designed to keep you from selecting “AUTO,” somehow broke off. I totally have no idea how that happened.

Being the new officer in the unit, I got put with the battalion commander as his assistant S3 (operations officer) so he could observe me and decide if I was worthy of getting a company command (I eventually got two). I went everywhere in his hummer because our troops were everywhere. And I was hugged by the residents because we brought safety to their neighborhoods – something they had not had even before the riots. All it took was two divisions, about six combat brigades, of soldiers and a bunch of Marines to pacify just one part of one city.

The Army currently has 58 active and reserve brigade combat teams. Again, do the math. The military will do its best, but the cavalry is almost certainly not coming.

When I got off duty after three weeks, before I even went home, I stopped at the packed Turner’s Outdoorsman in Pasadena and bought a weapon.

And you should too, if you are mentally sound, law-abiding, and have the willingness to train and responsibly use one. Because, while the chance you will ever have to fire a weapon is very low, the downside of not having one when you need it is very high. You die.

Liberals who want you disarmed will often point out that you have a higher chance of being killed if you have a gun in your house. This is probably true. After all, criminals have guns in their houses and criminals are more likely to be killed, so that probably skews the numbers. Perhaps the fact that a gun is in your house makes it more likely, to some degree, that you may be killed by it, most likely by yourself, because suicide counts for >60% of gun deaths in America.

But if you don’t have access to effective firearms, and what liberals mislabel “assault rifles” are the best tactical choice, you have a 100% chance of not being able to defend yourself. As the suppressed CDC study that was recently revealed demonstrates, gun use for self-defense happens several million times a year. Unarmed, you have no chance to defend yourself, your family, your community, or your Constitution from threats.

Ignore the liberals who want an America where you disarmed and defenseless against the tyranny they dream of imposing. Ignore the hateful teens MSNBCNN spotlight and the Hollywood virtue signalers who harangue you from behind armed guards. Ignore the blue falcon Democrat vets who think their tour in Iraq means they earned some sort of moral authority to dictate to you what guns you do and don’t need. If that’s how it works, I did 27 years, so doesn’t my guidance that you should totally buy an AR-15 count? No? Oh, right – their vetsplaining is just manipulative liberal baloney.

Instead, be guided by science. The science, supported by experience, make clear what you need to do. Buy guns and ammunition. Get an AR-15.

Gee, why do liberals hate science so much?

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22winmag - refugee from ZeroHedge who just couldn't take the explosion of doom porn and the avalanche of near-hourly Bitcoin stories
22winmag - refugee from ZeroHedge who just couldn't take the explosion of doom porn and the avalanche of near-hourly Bitcoin stories
May 7, 2018 6:59 am

Okay, now I understand why a lot of people here don’t like this Schlichter guy.

You have no chance of defending yourself without a firearm? I’d say you have no chance of defending yourself without a brain!

Science is delusional–>

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2

Schlichter guy

I like his writings; pick anybody that puts forth writing on a subject and you will find detractors and groupies.

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
May 7, 2018 7:20 am

Rather than use an AR-15 against a horde of rioting liberals in the city nearest you, I will arm myself with a bunch of Books by Al Gore.
Throwing these Books at advancing liberals will stop them in their tracks.

Think about it. Here are starving, deviant liberals coming after you and your possessions. When you throw those Books at them, they will realize, as Obama did, that “there is no greater threat than climate change” – Lo and Behold, confusion reigns in these brilliant minds; they will mill around like actors from the Walking Dead. Problem solved without blood loss.

Anonymous
Anonymous

A shotgun is better, if you know how to use it in such situations.

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  Anonymous
May 7, 2018 8:11 am

I have a 12 GA
Ammo = Buckshot; Magnum Turkey Load; Target Load.
It may be surprising to some, but just the Target Load does inflict severe damage to solid items.

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow

I have both. AR15 and 12 GA sawed off (legally) to 19″ using 00 buck… Chip

BTW CO2 is plant food so I love your moniker.

IluvCO2
IluvCO2
  SmallerGovNow
May 7, 2018 9:44 am

That’s my moniker dammit, I had it first…

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  IluvCO2
May 7, 2018 10:09 am

True, but it is a complementary add-on to my 1st name.
I did get it from you – a compliment.

IluvCO2
IluvCO2

Thank you Kokoda.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion

That’s funny. When you added it on I figured the two of you knew each other and spent a lot of time together. Maybe a little too much time… I mean, why else would you share a monicker and a computer???

Not that there’s anything wrong with that….

Martin brundlefly
Martin brundlefly
  SmallerGovNow
May 7, 2018 9:55 am

Why not an ak 47 or 74 if you demand smaller caliber. They dont jam, maintenance is simple, ammo is cheap, longer range, and the bullets penetrate better. Bigger caliber, or higher velocity. Pick yer poison. Get an ak.

Jimmy Torpedo
Jimmy Torpedo
  Martin brundlefly
May 7, 2018 4:57 pm

The 7.62x.39 is notorious for ‘over-penetration’.
I like that word.
So does my wife.
But seriously, I am confused by your sentence “…74 if you demand smaller caliber.”
I don’t own an AR but thought the majority were .227, essentially a suped up .22, designed to injure. I know you can get them in bigger calibers.
I am comfortable with the size of holes the 7.62 makes when 00 buckshot isn’t appropriate.

Huck Finn
Huck Finn
  Martin brundlefly
May 7, 2018 11:14 pm

ARs and AKs are both great, especially if you are outfitting the wife and kids. I enjoy shooting both, but when you are ready to become a real rifleman you’ll want a man’s rifle, like an M1A, FNFAL, Garand, 1903 Springfield, or 1917 Enfield. Of course any good bolt action hunting rifle will also serve, chambered in 30.06, .308, .270 or other common calibers shooting a projectile that’s 130 grains or better. The lower capacity is not that great of a factor, because you’ll be much more effective with each shot.

Jake
Jake
  SmallerGovNow
May 7, 2018 1:43 pm

A 12 gauge achieves maximum power with a 24 inch barrel. In addition to the almost unlimited options of shot size from pin head size #9 to 000 buck, there are dozens of solid slug rounds and even sabot launched .45 and .50 caliber rifle bullets equalling the velocity of being fired from rifles like a .45-70.
The shotgun (my preferred shotgun is the Mossberg 930 24″ holding 10 3″ magnum shells) will allow you to do it all without having to worry about missing and hitting a kid in a sandbox a half mile away.
If we are talking all out war, give me a rifle with a good optic. The innocents will all be hiding in their basements out of harms way hopefully.

Not Bob
Not Bob

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Anonymous
Anonymous
May 7, 2018 7:37 am

“My selector switch lock, designed to keep you from selecting “AUTO,” somehow broke off. I totally have no idea how that happened.”

Yes, I’m sure.

BB
BB
May 7, 2018 7:41 am

Don’t forget the old “AK-47 ” .I own two right now and I believe I would rather have an AK in a riot situation .For yard or home protection an old fashion 12 gauge shotgun will do the job.Both guns have good knock down power.

anarchyst
anarchyst
May 7, 2018 8:17 am

I sent this to my local radio talk show host who has it “all wrong”…

Hello,

I must take issue over your conversation with your guest, and your (apparent) attitude toward an inanimate object–the AR-15. You, of all people, who I respect, should know better.

You are sadly misinformed, calling AR-15 type rifles “high power”. AR-15 rifles are “medium power”–NOT “high power”, as you and your guest have asserted. In fact, they are not permitted to be used for deer hunting in most states. AR-15 rifles are easy to handle and shoot, have minimal recoil and are perfect home and self-defense weapons. In addition, AR-15 rifles are FUN to shoot, many people using them for target practice and other legal uses. Women find them especially attractive due to their low recoil and easy handling.

In addition, you “fall into the trap” of demonizing the millions of AR-15 rifle owners who are law abiding citizen, and would NEVER commit any heinous act with a firearm or any other means. I, for one, do not appreciate you demonizing all AR-15 owning firearms enthusiasts for the actions of a “nut case”–yes–“nut case”–harsh words, but necessary.

Your comment that “you don’t NEED an AR-15” falls flat on its face. There are many things that “you don’t need”, but WHO ARE YOU to determine what a person needs or wants?

In order to “educate” you I ask you to do the following:

Pull up a picture of an AR-15 rifle and a Ruger Mini-14. You will find that these are identical operating rifles except for “looks”. The AR-15 rifle functions exactly the same as the Ruger Mini-14–same caliber and method of operation. The AR-15 has a “scary” (to some) black appearance, while the Mini-14 has a wood stock and looks like a traditional rifle.

I would encourage you to visit a rifle or pistol range and talk to the people there. You will not find a better bunch of people who are just as sickened by the behavior of these school shooters as anyone else. These same people would stand up for YOU, or any police officer who was threatened. Ask them to show you a AR-15 and Ruger Mini-14 and make the comparison.

Taking away the rights of honest people just because of criminal behavior is just wrong. THAT is what your guest and her ilk espouse.

Blaming the weapon for the actions of a “nut case” is just wrong.

I would appreciate a retraction, or at least a clarification on your stance. I don’t want to lose my trust in your objectivity, honesty and fairness.

Regards,

RS
RS
  anarchyst
May 8, 2018 10:11 am

Not all Ruger Mini-14s are created equal…but they all do share the rotating bolt action used in the M14 and M1A, which is a very reliable mechanism.

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anarchyst
anarchyst
May 7, 2018 8:19 am

The problem is, we have allowed the anti Second Amendment crowd to define the terms.
A firearm is a tool which possesses no evil intent on its own. Assigning intent to an inanimate object is the epitome of insanity. Demonizing a weapon on “looks alone” also marks the accuser as an unstable individual who is also insane. Call them out on their illogic and insanity.
Another dirty tactic the anti-Second Amendment crowd uses exposes children to potential and actual harm by putting them in “gun-free zones”. These people care not one wit about children, but uses them for their own nefarious purposes.
We need to TAKE BACK the argument…
When the antis blame the firearm for the actions of a criminal, state that: “a firearm is an inanimate object, subject only to the intent of the user”. Firearms ARE “equalizers” and are used to preserve life and make a 90 lb. woman equal to a 200 lb. criminal”.
When the antis attempt to justify their “gun free zones” counter their misguided argument with “you mean, criminal safety zones” or “victim disarmament zones”.
State that “we protect our money, banks, politicians and celebrities, buildings and facilities with PEOPLE WITH GUNS, but protect our children with “gun-free zone” signs”.
When the antis state that: “you don’t need and AR-15”, counter with, “Who are YOU to consider what I need or want?”
When the antis criticize AR-15s in general, counter with: “you mean the most popular rifle of the day, use able by even the smallest, weakest person as a means of self-defense. Besides, AR-15s are FUN to shoot”. Offer to take them to the range and supply them with an AR-15, ammunition and range time. I have made
many converts this way.
When the antis state that: “You don’t need an AR-15 to hunt with”, counter with “AR-15s ARE used for hunting, but in many states, are prohibited from being used to take large game because they are underpowered”.
When the antis state that: “AR-15s are high powered rifles”, correct them by stating that “AR-15s with the .223 or 5.56mm cartridge are considered medium-powered weapons–NOT “high-powered” by any means”.
When the antis state that: “the Constitution was written during the time of muskets, and that the Second Amendment should only apply to “weapons of that time period”, state that: “by your logic, the First Amendment should not apply to modern-day telecommunications, internet, television, radio, public-address systems, books and newspapers produced on high-speed offset printing presses. Only “town-criers” and Benjamin Franklin type printing presses would be covered under the First Amendment”.
When the antis state that “only law enforcement and government should possess firearms”, remind them of the latest school shooting, as well as Columbine, where “law enforcement” SAT ON THEIR HANDS while children were being murdered, citing “officer safety”, afraid to challenge the shooter, despite being armed to the hilt. The government-run murderous sieges at Ruby Ridge and Waco are also good examples of government (mis)use of firearms. Let’s not forget the millions murdered under communism by their governments AFTER their firearms were confiscated.
This tome can be used to counter any argument against any infringement of our Second Amendment.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anarchyst
May 7, 2018 8:41 am

Most people, including most gun owners, don’t realize that it is only the military type of weapons that are protected under the 2nd Amendment, sporting target and hunting rifles would be under the 9th and 10th and fall subject to State regulation as the different States should choose.

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow
May 7, 2018 8:34 am

AND, Milspec 1911, hell yeah… Chip

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
May 7, 2018 8:48 am

Sorry, Kurt. You are wrong. The “normals” lost the first civil war. The intellectual (and often biological) ancestors of today’s liberal, leftist traitors won. They tricked the normals of the North into a war against the Southern people, who posed no threat to them and who had never done any harm to them. The results of the liberal victory are all around us, like in the 30 Blocks of Squalor. The South wanted to be free of the Schumers and Sanders and the Don Lemons of the day.

Anonymous
Anonymous
May 7, 2018 10:21 am

For anyone who doesn’t think that the AR-15 is powerful enough just look at the DC sniper shootings.
Of the 13 people who were shot, 10 died and 3 were critically wounded.

doug
doug
  Anonymous
May 7, 2018 10:47 am

High speed, tiny bullet. Doesn’t compare to most larger cartridges. It was chosen for it’s wounding characteristics and low recoil. It does kill, but so will a .22 LR.

Ray
Ray
  Anonymous
May 7, 2018 11:25 am

All the dead were shot at ranges under 100 yards. All the living were shot at ranges OVER 100 yards. Many of the dead were shot at ranges under 30 yards. The AR 15 SUCKS. It is unreliable and underpowered. The 5.56 is the worst. I would much rather have a 7.62X39 if I had to carry a carbine. If there is ever the need where I live. (HIGHLY UN-LIKELY) My pre-1965 Rem. 870 riot gun or my Garand will do nicely. It tends to get folks attention when chunks are blown off of the guy next to you or his head explodes. Remember that M196 ball from a 20 inch AR is a 55 gr. bullet at 3000 FPS. An M2 ball is a 150 gr. bullet at 2700 FPS and carries more kinetic energy at 800 yards than any known 5.56 bullet does at the muzzle. If you hit your man anywhere between the dick and the eyeballs at any range under 600 yards. He. Dies. The 5.56 simply cannot do that. 7.62 NATO is good stuff too. I just prefer the ’06.”If you kill enough of them they stop fighting” ( Gen. Curtis Lemay USAF)

Jake
Jake
  Ray
May 7, 2018 2:30 pm

Funny that you quote Lemay who was the general who first bought AR-15’s for Air Force security personnel.
Everything you say about M2 or M80 Ball is correct. They can kill by hydraulic shock alone. The main problem with the M855 5.56 today is the STUPID 14.5 inch M4 with 1/7 twist. It is over stabilized and makes nice tidy .224 holes. The original with a 20 inch barrel with 1/12 twist fired the M193 at 3,200-3,300 fps. This twist rate was relatively unstable resulting in explosive wounds out to 200 yards or so as on contact the round would keyhole and break in half at the cannelure with two ragged chunks whizzing around the target’s insides.
All that said, there is a new round, the .224 Valkyrie which uses the .30 Remington/6.8 SPC brass necked down to .224 launching a 90 grain high ballistic coefficient bullet at 2,700+ fps which is faster than the 62 grain M855 from an M4. It fires from an AR-15 and remains supersonic to 1,300 yards. It uses the 6.8 AR magazine and bolt. The military could replace the barrels or rechamber existing 1/7 barrels for it. Using the same 62 grain bullet currently used, the Valkyrie will launch that at around 3,600 fps. Shooters are getting six inch groups at 1,000 yards with these things. That means potential 1,000 yard head shots. Wow.
Everyone will be hearing about the Valkyrie soon. Federal and Hornady can hardly keep up with ammo demand and it has only been on the market a few months.

Adam Baum
Adam Baum
May 7, 2018 10:45 am

At the time of the American Revolutionary War, armies were equipped with smoothbore muskets which were accurate out to approximately 50 yards. Many, if not most, of our troops were armed with rifles which were accurate out to a few hundred yards. Keep in mind that when the 2A was written in to the Bill Of Rights in order to formally secure a God-given right, our side had better armaments than the soldiers of any country on Earth.

Mark
Mark
  Adam Baum
May 7, 2018 9:50 pm

Adam,

Here is a good related read:

Revolutionary War Weapons: The American Long Rifle
http://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/military-history/revolutionary-war-weapons-the-american-long-rifle/

This caught my eye:

“The common soldier would not have known what to do with a long rifle. Morgan’s sharpshooters were experts with their weapons because rifle marksmanship was a part of their way of life. Handling a rifle was a lot different than loading and firing a smoothbore musket. Just loading the rifle was more complicated and required a lot more time and effort. Preparing a musket for firing was a relatively simple procedure. A musket ball was dropped down the barrel after the powder charge had been poured in. It rattled loosely down the barrel, just as it rattled loosely out of the barrel when the musket was fired—the main reason for the smoothbore musket’s legendary inaccuracy.”

This is why I have a multiple position firing range on my farm so I can practice moving fighting muscle memory constantly. I practice wearing various combat kits for various weapons: battle rife, assault rifles, sub-machine guns, shotguns, unloading empty and loading full magazines while moving from different firing positions.

If your going to be ready to fight when TSHTF being practiced being mobile with as many mags as you can carry, with knee-pads and all the combat gear you can reasonably carry for your age and the shape you are in is best figured and practiced now not then.

I remember carrying 21 magazines for an M-16 in Nam, plus two taped together in the rifle, a flack jacket, helmet, loaded backpack, poncho and poncho liner, three canteens, four to five frags and a K-bar.

Can’t do that now…but I have separate fighting kits ready to go I can saddle up with, they are ready, fit me well and are formidable.

I pray I will never have to put all that shit on again…but if I have to I’m one “uncommon” old white guy best left the hell alone.

Semper Fi

Penforce
Penforce
May 7, 2018 2:17 pm

Show me a man peacefully standing in his front yard holding an AR with extended mag and I’ll show you neighbors watching him nervously between the curtains. The AR has gotten its killer reputation as any military weapon would. The silhouette has been seen on television since the Vietnam War, and now our militarized police SWAT and numerous mass shooters have done nothing to change the rifle’s killer reputation. The AR’s flaw is large and has little to do with muzzles velocity or projectile weight. The AR is an offensive weapon, a military promoted kill them before they kill you, offensive weapon. Following a reset, there will be blame. Someone will have to pay for the loss of life and dead men can’t be held accountable. The fact that you hoarded tens of thousands of rounds of cheap shit para mil ammo will only highlight the fact that you prepared in advance. Night sights and speed loaders will convince no one that you were defending yourself. Home owners defending their homes and families use grandpa’s deer rifle and dad’s shotgun, they don’t have to sweep the brass out the front door during lulls in the firefight. It will be difficult to be the victim if you look and sound like Rambo.

Jake
Jake
  Penforce
May 7, 2018 2:45 pm

Grandpa’s deer rifle isn’t going to cut it in any kind of firefight that results in sweeping brass out the door during “lulls.” If you are being criminally assaulted to the extent that it results in a firefight with hundreds of rounds fired and repeated attack waves people will call you “one lucky fuquere” to have had the foresight to have an AR with thousands of round of military grade Ball ammo etc.
Fuque public opinion. “Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six” is still operational in my world.

Penforce
Penforce
May 7, 2018 3:15 pm

Down thumb if you must, just understand that I’ve been involved in the pro gun movement since shortly after birth. I reload for each gun I own and punch paper on a weekly schedule. The AR platform was developed for a variety of military applications and has been used from the concrete jungle to the real jungle. The gun carries with it the pedigree of a killer. Shooting two and three gun competition doesn’t change the facts and make the AR something it is not. Shooting a feral raccoon doesn’t make the gun a hunting rifle. If you choose to defend yourself with an AR you will have difficulty claiming self defense, since both FMJ and lead nosed ammo act as an unstable projectile and most tumble upon impact. Shooting someone in the shoulder to incapacitate them may well be a kill shot. Just understand the AR is not and will never be a defensive weapon.

James
James
  Penforce
May 7, 2018 5:36 pm

Pen,I choose to defend meself with a AR the last thing I am thinking about is legal battles ect.I will say it comes to that the Shit Has Hit The Fan/world has gone full blown crazy ect.Even if just a personal situation and not large scale still do not care,I survive the encounter as someone else said,better judged by 12 then carried by six.I am not thinking in a situation like that about non lethal shots,my and perhaps others lives are in grave danger and will do what ever necc. to stop the threat.I also will not neg you as believe in freedom of speech,even if I disagree with said speech.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Penforce
May 7, 2018 6:05 pm

Penforce, I don’t think you actually know much about guns. their uses, or what they are capable of.

Repeating something someone else told you maybe?

Someone who probably also knew little about them and was repeating someone else’s talking points that are aimed at the ignorant.

Jake
Jake
  Penforce
May 7, 2018 9:39 pm

Pen, you said it when you said platform. The AR lower receiver can be used with as many variations and purposes of upper receivers as the mind can conjure. Uniform, modular, efficient, totally open source. You can mix and match like Legos. Muzzle loaders to semi auto .338 uppers all on one universal receiver.
The AR Platform, because of all this has become the Modern Sporting Rifle.
Many will also recognize the 10/22 and CZ75 and 1911 “platforms.” 100 years ago both the Germans and Americans primarily used the Mauser platform.

JIMSKI
JIMSKI
May 7, 2018 4:30 pm

For those of you ( idiots ) who think the 556 is a junk cartidge I give you the 77 grain OTM ( open tip match ) round. Good to 700 meters and a wound channel on par with a 7.62×51 ball round.

The older 55 grain and 62 grain were lacking, especially out of a carbine length weapon.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  JIMSKI
May 7, 2018 6:07 pm

People also seem to be ignorant of such other factors as twist rates and their effect on terminal ballistics.

James
James
May 7, 2018 5:42 pm

No one needs an AR,you should have 2 minumum,perhaps 3 or 4 depending on family size/friends who are trusted but low on funds ect.

No one needs an AR-15,if you have a AK-47/AR-10/M1 ect.,even then,owning a AR-15 can’t hurt!Oh,and a shot gun also a great defensive tool along with many others,just seems we are on a “Black Rifles”topic.As a great t-shirt with an AR on it says,”It’s cause I’m black,isn’t it?”

Jim,you running 1/7 with the 77 or you doing OK with standard 1/9 twist?

JIMSKI
JIMSKI
  James
May 8, 2018 8:02 am

I have a Daniel Defence upper with a 24 inch 1/7 cyrobarrel. My other upper is a bone stock from 1975. I even get comments on the triangle forestock.

This allows me the option to shoot any 556/223 round made.

Doc
Doc
May 7, 2018 8:01 pm

We should ban law abiding citizens from owning cars because some people have been killed by drunk drivers (and we can’t hold people accountable for their own actions).

Mark
Mark
May 7, 2018 9:24 pm

What is the difference between an assault rifle and a battle rifle?
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-an-assault-rifle-and-a-battle-rifle

Jake
Jake
  Mark
May 7, 2018 10:02 pm

I was taught that a Battle Rifle is a semi-auto firing a full power cartridge. M1 Garand, Walther G43, SVT-40, FN 49 etc. The M1 has an internal magazine with an enbloc clip holding eight rounds of 30-’06. The others have semi-fixed magazines, which while removable with a little effort are loaded in place by stripper clips through the top of the open action.
A Main Battle Rifle is a select fire rifle utilizing a detachable magazine, firing a full power cartridge. Most common today is the 7.62 NATO (7.62×51, 147 grain) used in M14’s, G3, FN FAL.
An assault rifle is a select-fire rifle with detachable magazines firing an intermediate power cartridge. The first was the MP44 or “Sturmgewher” (assault rifle in German) as Hitler named it after seeing it demonstrated in 7.92×33. AK47/ AKM in 7.62×39, AK74 in 5.45×39, M-16 in 5.56×45 are among the most common today.

mangledman
mangledman
May 7, 2018 11:45 pm

Mentally sound, and law abidiing?? By whose standards? According too big bro??? We are supposed to be duty bound to defy any and all unjust laws , let alone, try for treason anyone duty bound to protect and preserve the constitution that does otherwise. Anyone denying our natural GOD given rights, or going against our constitution should be dealt with accordingly, RIGHT!!

Having inferior firepower to stand against unconstitutional law, was not the intention of our forefathers. Do you trust your government? Now look at their weapons, and compare to what they want you to have. What if the bad guys have body armor and badges?? Ask Lavoy Finnicum?? I don’t know if I got his name right.

Mental health is bulsh!! You ever read a bible? We have a diagnosis for that. Abortion-BAD?!! You gotta be crazy!! Guns? Small _____ inferiority complex, ‘re-education required!! We probably can’t get through obamacare without being a lawbreakers. Who do I go see to give me my GOD given right to carry my weapon of choice?? Do you really think my name won’t be on a list somewhere now that all those databases are connected?? Big Bro passes out felonies for all kinds of nonviolent crimes. Whatever happened to serving your time and paying your debt to society? Sounds like a good excuse to steal rights. We had a lot of rights when I was a kid that disappeared. Poof!!

Mark
Mark
  mangledman
May 8, 2018 9:35 am

mangledman,

“Do you really think my name won’t be on a list somewhere now that all those databases are connected??”

Yea, I have thought about that a lot and accept the fact I am at the top of the no knock visit list for many reasons. I found it impossible to be a gray man, have been extremely loud, vocal, defiant, and put some money were my big mouth was. Many on the Left and many RINOs know exactly who I am because of JOHN HANCOCK messages, signatures and protests.

I have also made contingency plans learned the hard way in combat, the most important one mentally, to make any future round up extremely expensive. Trust me on that…I’m not just a keyboard warrior.

I think there are millions like me who are Prepped mentally and physically and if organized each one of us would be worth 100 Soy Boys, punks, EBT card refugees, beehive city golden horde desperate drones, spoiled snow flakes and the rest of the Left’s carnival of traitors…and all of the dumbed down brainwashed floatism.

As far as those in any uniform who would violate their Constitutional Oath I know some Cops and Deputy’s locally and in a city who would flip in a minute on illegal Unconstitutional orders and stand…as well as most of the Marine Corps.

The point of this article is well taken by me.

Rogue Weasel
Rogue Weasel
May 8, 2018 12:32 am

Cops were basically chickenshit during the riots? Really? Guess again, pal. Many with the LAPD and the Los Angeles county sheriff’s office were there. After putting in many hours of their normal duty, demanded OT (Overtime) or being called in after 12 hours, we still responded. Being outmanned and out gunned we had a shit load of area to cover and several calls to respond to. Cops in LA have much more square miles with a fraction of the officers than many other major cities. Calls were neglected to basically triage. Fires were needed to be put out but LEO’s had to go in first to guarantee the fire department’s safety as well as be dispatched to all other areas. Los Angeles cops were spread very thin during the riots. VERY THIN. Officers had to basically let the city burn. I will give you, officers were pulled back due to calls, many against officer’s better judgement, including defending Beverly Hills and fucking liberal wealthy fucks. This really pissed off officers and deputies big time. Now I will give you the point about owning a firearm and the vital need to own and the article was on point about the liberals but get your facts straight about the Leo’s. Please do not blow smoke up anyone’s ass about your bravery and cops being chicken. You performed a great task, thank you, but officers had several tasks. I hope I am wrong about what was said. I was there and know what happened.