Lake Mead – the West’s largest reservoir – is running dry again and is on track to fall below a critical threshold in 2020, according to a new forecast by the Bureau of Reclamation.
In 2016, Lake Mead water levels drop to new record lows (since it was filled in the 1930s) leaving Las Vegas facing existential threats unless something is done. Las Vegas and its 2 million residents and 40 million tourists a year get almost all their drinking water from the Lake and at levels below 1075ft, the Interior Department will be forced to declare a “shortage,” which will lead to significant cutbacks for Arizona and Nevada.
And now, two years later, the situation appears to be getting worse as The Wall Street Journal reports, in a prediction released Wednesday, the Bureau of Reclamation, a multistate agency that manages water and power in the West, said there is a 52% probability that water levels will fall below a threshold of 1,075 feet elevation by 2020.
“The very big concern is the perception that water supplies are uncertain,” said Todd Reeve, chief executive officer of Business for Water Stewardship, a nonprofit group in Portland, Ore., that works with businesses on water use nationally.
“So if a water shortage is declared, that would be a huge shot across the bow that, wow, water supplies could be uncertain.”
The Colorado River, which supplies water to 40 million people from Denver to Los Angeles, has been in long-term decline amid what bureau officials call the driest 19-year period in recorded history.
Lake Mead, which serves as the biggest reservoir of the river’s water, resumed its decline this year after the region returned to drought conditions. As of Wednesday, it stood at 1,078 feet, about 150 feet below its peak.
If Lake Mead’s water levels fall below the 1,075 feet threshold, it could trigger the first ever federal shortage declaration on the Colorado River – which experts say could undermine the Southwest’s economy.
Farmers in Arizona – which would be among the first states hit with cutbacks – are taking precautionary measures. Officials of the Maricopa Stanfield Irrigation and Drainage District, which could lose about half its Colorado River water if a shortage were declared, say they are working on alternatives such as digging more wells. The district, with 60,000 acres under cultivation between Phoenix and Tucson, might see as much as 15% of its planted fields left fallow under a shortage, said General Manager Brian Betcher.
“We’re not sure how much acreage will go out,” he said, “but we know there will be a hit.”
As one water research scientist warned, “this problem is not going away and it is likely to get worse, perhaps far worse, as climate change unfolds.”
What a wonderful display of entropy spiced with poetic justice. Here’s a city that was born of WW2 GI’s stopping by to fuck desert whores that, with a back drop of atomic explosions, was borne into major metropolitan status by a N. Y. gangster (the premier hit man of ‘Murder Incorporated) into the garish, expensive, deceitful, den of inequity it is today. I’m hardly a religious man but I have this delicious image in my head of God with his hand slowly turning the valve while saying ‘I made this a desert so get lost once more Sodomites’.
Well said. Unfortunately Lost Wages will not be the only enterprise to dry-up and blow away.
Has anyone considered that the population explosion in the south western states and their demand for water is the real root of the problem?
Big problems require big solutions. Hover Dam and Lake Mead was a vision that became an actualization because our leaders at the time saw a need arising for future generations and provided the solution.
We no longer have leaders with this caliber of insight and dedication to serve the people so today we are stuck with finite resources for the size of the population and no plan to increase the resource.
Never mind we have vast quantities of fresh water in the great lakes and up north in northern Canada.
Our main problem I see in our society and the reason our many problems are growing larger with no solutions in sight is that we have developed this attitude of service to self rather than service to others. This produces leaders with the same attitude.
For an example; as an aside, is the housing crises for the working class. Why are there almost no affordable housing being built? Could it be because of the building codes? The high cost of building permits? People with large houses don’t want small houses built near them? Or styles of housing like low cost dome homes built near them or in their city?
Many large cities are running low on water supplies and water quality due to population growth. But low supplies are always blamed on the weather. Lack of rain. But the truth is in the details. Population growth is causing the shortages.
We have to change our thinking and act accordingly. We need more supplies and we have to invest in the infrastructure it takes to increase those supplies.
We have the means. We just need the will and the proper leadership in place; not only to solve our looming water crises, but also our other major problems.
The great lakes water is fully used, and nearby communities that need water aren’t allowed to access the lakes. Towns 20 miles from the lake in the Chicago area lust for the water, but, don’t get it.
There is no spare great lakes water.
Subsidized, which is to say wasted, malinvested, water necessarily preceded the population boom.
Spoiler alert: the desert wins.
You’ll take Great Lakes water over my fucking dead body. How about another idea? Cut LA off of Colorado River water. The fucksticks in Hollyweird and San Fran Sicko can ask their brothers in Israel for their expertise in desalination. It’ll be expensive but tough fucking shit.
I believe it was Jesse Ventura that did a show on Tru-tv and one episode was about the Chinese taking huge quantities of water from the Great Lakes and hauling it back home.
Here in Oz a great many households catch and use the rain off of their homes and garages and sheds. We personally have a 35,000 gallon tank that we use for our freshwater. We are in an area of low rainfall, and despite that we have plenty of fresh water for all ersonal use, as well as keeping a pool topped up.
LA has around 400mm of rainfall a year. If the average house/garage/outbuildings have say 300 sq meters, that would be 120 thousand litres a year, or around 35 thousand gallons a year that could be caught for household use. Filter it, put it through a UV light, and presto, best tasting water available. No chemicals, no flouride, just pure water. Assuming no acid rain, I suppose. If you do not garden with it, or run a pool, that would likely be enough or nearly so for a small family. The average LA residential customer uses around 55 gallons of water a day. I do not know if that means per person or per household.
So I recommend that tanks be put in. I think it might be, stupidly, illegal in CA though.
Edit: I think it is now legal, since 2012.
They universally collect rain water in a similar fashion in Bermuda.
Some U.S. cities don’t allow their residents to collect rain water. It’s just more screwed-up government officials who know best. Sarc.
Ahhh yes, another ‘Climate Change’ reference…. is this going to be the blame-all for every naturally occurring & idiot-caused problem??? Dear urbanites moving to the west: the western half of North America has historically been a desert for the last several million years. That means it’s dry. Very dry. Modern perceptions of the west have been skewed for the last ~100 years of unusually high rain/snowfall, and now it seems to be going back to its historical norms. Unless you’re going to pipe in water from the midwest or the south, it’s absolute folly to try and farm out there! Drilling more wells wont help for very long. All of these water-woes and fires in CA are the result of idiots posing as experts along with environmentalists, claiming they know how to manage forests & drylands . Fools.
Thanks Dan, you captured what I wanted to say exactly!
Yep…they will blame the Solar Minimum on GASP…man made (((CLIMATE CHANGE))). Its probably why Hillary lost the election!
There was an article in National Geographic 10 years ago or so that stated this extact fact that the last 100 years had been abnormally wet out west
What’s needed are FEWER people. Until that issue is worked on, any other solution is merely temporary.
The real problem was putting cities where NO cities ever should have built!
It’s all the fault of the King of Spain who first brought settlers to LA! lol
The West is prone to century long droughts, which occur because of temperature conditions on the surface waters of the Pacific. One such drought prevented settlement of California until the 1700s…
Just thought this interesting…
Global average adult body weight is roughly 137 lbs. About 60% of the human body is water.
82.2 lbs X 7,000,000,000 = 575,000,000,000 lbs of water retained in humans worldwide.
575,000,000,000 lbs of water = 68,779,904,306.22 gallons of water.
Max capacity of Lake Mead is 9,300,000,000,000 gallons.
Raise your hand if you give a rat’s ass if Sin City dries up.
If there is a God, why doesn’t he just do this? …..
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Good question! I think he doesn’t do anything like that just so he can laugh his ass off at people who poke fun at him all the time. I think his big thing are pandemics- then he gets to laugh even more at the same very people who bitch about him sending it.
It’s in the forecast. Asteroid called Wormwood. Unfortunately, we are Mayflies who don’t live long enough to see all things come about.
Quippy,
I think somewhere in here you can find Wormword!
http://www.nhunderground.com/jesus/PastorBob/What%20to%20Expect%20During%20the%20Great%20Tribulation.pdf
45. 2nd trumpet: Asteroid strikes the sea, a 3rd of the sea turned to blood. Burning mountains thrown into the sea. –(Revelation 8:8).
Speaking of which, Stucky, here’s a good video for you on finding Sodom and Gomorrah:
Hey I live in the LV Valley, so no let’s not wish any wrath on us just yet. As someone else said earlier, Los Angeles and that whole sodom mess should have no rights to Lake Mead water.
Don’t worry; it’s coming!
Karl… The Great Lakes contains 21% of the worlds fresh water supply and according to geologists it’s capacity can cover the United States with 9 feet of water. It makes Lake Powell look like a pond.
Where does the notion come from that the water is being used to it’s capacity?
We have to break out of our crystallized thought forms and take a fresh look at reality. Just like money, water sitting without use is a waste of resource.
Not to say that the Great Lakes is not being used for other purposes. But it is worth looking into the possibility of it’s use to serve the greater needs of community around it starving for water.
tbird,
even if the great lakes region do have water to spare,people in one region generally do not want to give up their water resources–
the reality is that vegas needs radical conservation measures & an incentive to depopulate–
Water is a good. Delivery is a service. Same as “healthcare,” & everything else. Demand is the only valid/true incentive. Pedestalizing water, healthcare, etcetcetc as “something more, greater” than just another good\service is the backdoor. Anal rape ensues.
The GL region doesn’t own the water. Nobody does. That’s the problem. The commons. & the stew•ardship that goes with it. Even a mofo king with divine rites – an owner – would be less destructive than this revolving rent extraction set-up (as in frame, con, fraud).
TB Pickens & the rest of the water rights buyers-“investors” deeds of ownership are even more fictional than deeds to houses are. But the part that’s “real” is the color of law connections. Anything can be done, temporarily (what ain’t temporary, anyway?) with those magic words. Like pronouncing collection of rainwater “illegal,” for example. Like feeding the red tides down FL way, for another example.
Too many people are possums. Stupid. Dishonest. Cowardly. Venal. Life is harder because of it.
But good news: Iska is there to defend what ain’t his against all those millions of marsupials.
lots of freemarketers agree w/you forgetful but i have a problem wrapping my head around the idea of water being a commodity the same way as oil or wheat–i like it staying close to where it is,even if it came from somewhere else–
Good thing ‘bout free markets & property deeds that ain’t duds is how those prevent yer hein bein’ lined with “free lunches” (haunches bein’ launched with bottles of water?).
Without, & once that slope’s lubed, it ain’t but a slip or two to UBI (you bein’ intercourse’d…every minute of everyday for as long as you can stand it, & then you die).
…and COERCION if incentives don’t work!!
Ha. In bizarro Pizarro world the stick is carved & painted to look like a carrot.
Go fuck yourself.
iska & forgetful need to play nice–
one more outburst & i’ll make you kiss /makeup,just like mama used to do–
how do you edit comments now,i noticed that i used turrible grammar above?
I’m playin’ ice. Cain’t solve problems with the same phase that created ‘em. Not that possum phase is changeable or solvable.
So, yeah, just ice skating. For the exercise, & brisk breeze blowin’ back my hair.
Water leaves the great lakes in 3 ways. Evaporation. The Niagara river ( falls) and as sewage from Chicago into the Illinois river to the Mississippi. The lake levels are fairly constant. U p and down a few feet over 20 year time frames.
Taking any more water out of the lakes would lower the water levels and destroy all the navigation infrastructure. 40 million people depend on the lake level being maintained at the current level.
If you come for this water, I will steal a gun and stand with Iska.
Ok, moran, you will steal a gun to prevent the theft of ‘your’ water?
Yep, I be a ‘moran’
I don’t own any guns, but have friends that I can ‘steal’ one from if I really need one. It’s a liability thing. Break their door and do a ‘right’ job
That’s 2 gunslingers (subject successful theft of 1 gun). Gonna’ take a bigger countersubsidy than that to wreck the Edmund Fitzgerald. All that surface area. The Canadian side. Kuwait style lateral drilling. Sky crane choppers with buckets. Marsupials with thermoses. Like somebody did the math on, peeps is mostly brackish water themselves. & water’s famous for finding the low levels & fillin’ ‘em up. Ask all those tribes, what’s left of ‘em, that usta’ say Gitche Gumee mine.
Northern Michigan summers are seasonal, not permanent, cuz peeps is evaporative, & smoke, not solid. Gunsmoke Dillons are hens teeth, Deputy Fifes are bloody beaks in the billions, & ain’t nobody in here but us chickens is a fowl generalization that has wings, flies.
https://mises.org/library/human-smoke-beginnings-world-war-ii-end-civilization-nicholson-baker
It would be better if the majority of people moved out of the desert.
Taken from Vegas building dept-“But perhaps most important, after years of declines in housing inventory and increases in prices with relatively little growth in construction, we’re starting to see construction respond as well. Single-family building permit activity is now at a 10-year high, with a significant increase over the past couple months. With inventory at record lows and good demographics, there’s no reason this shouldn’t continue in 2018.”
They’ll make millions turning Lake Meade into a mud bogging adventure destination though.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/X2UDpiEuhZSgemOE2
Follow the money.
The geoengineering is the cause of the water shortage. As is the fires in the west and around the world. I do not have a very good handle on this but they do want to push their narrative of the gobal warming hoax. Also “they ” want to reduce world pop. Especialy the goyim.
Trump had the chance to stop weather control freaks but chose not to act. I guess he classed that the same level as “You would be in jail” No water=no food=no people.
Don’t forget the beetles, Bailey. Was at Grand Lake a few years ago – can hike to the Colorado headwaters from close by there – & it was beetle-killed pines, tempting lightning fate, as far as eye could see.
“Public lands” is a goyim plot device & west of Mississippi is mark twain deep in it.
They could begin by shutting down the tons of water used for the NSA’s Utah Data Storage Center.
Thunderbird has it. It’s not global warming. It is human swarming. Move 20,000,000 people out of the south west and into Mexico the water problem would go away.
Once upon a time men dreamed of big ideas.
It seems to me if the mountainous regions, or close abouts, took a page out of the Roman playbook, they could set up overhead aqueducts to conduct water (maybe with a retaining wall conducting the water to a chute) from the snow-covered mountains to a holding area in some of the less rain-enhanced areas of the western U.S. , and when the snow melts, you have a generous supply of fresh water that can then be filtered for consumption. I’m not an engineer, so I don’t know how well that would work, but it’s just an idea.
off topic but since it’s in the southwest & i haven’t seen it posted on any of the other threads i’ll put it here–
did you guys see where the authorities have already gone in & mostly demolished the taos,new mexico compound where the muslims were training the kids to be school shooters?
it was on the local taos nbc affiliate if you want to look it up–
I’m with Iska on this one. Let ’em suck the condensation drippings from their AC units if they get thirsty. The fucking idiots moved to the Greater Phoenix area at the rate of 2000 people per week(!) for more than a decade.
If you subsidize it they will come.
Pour “cheap” on Philly, til its ruined.
Pour “cheap” water on Phoenix so them as can quit Philly got somewhere to go.
Golf courses. Swimming pools. Cotton growing. On & on. Pave as much as possible, too. Evap even more water. Who cares? Its practically “free.”
Whatever you do, don’t ask for whom the cracked bell tolls.
Living vicariously is a vicious circle folded over on itself. Sorta like a prion is a misfolded protein. ∞
The coming GSM cold in the next 3 years, and the Little Ice Age (The Eddy Minimum) possibly within 10 years will bury all the water projects under the Great SW Desert, drive 10s of millions of people south and east, and fulfill the 4 Horsemen Prophecy. The Global Warming Useless Idiots and FSA will freeze and starve; TBP Conservatives need to plan accordingly.
Hey, as long as they keep the golf courses watered in Vegas, Phoenix & Tucson it’s all good.
In considering the people that live out in 135 degree Desert Land, don’t most of them love Hillbillary and Shit McStain? If that’s really true then they just ought to stick a prickly pear up their ass then go dry up and blow away.
@Brian
Thanks for the video about NAWAPA. Perhaps the skeptics on this thread; especially those that down voted me should look at this video and further investigate this proposed project.
We are in need of engineers with open and probing minds to head our large corporations rather than business management CEOs. When engineers run companies great projects get done and done right.
We need people with vision run our world. Right now we don’t have that.
It’s one thing for engineers to run “private” companies with their own money for such projects. It’s a totally different ball game when you ask taxpayers to pay for the engineers to do social projects for the “greater good.” I say have at it, if you pay for it yourself. Don’t ask the state and Uncle Sam to do the paying.
More Auctioneers. Lots more. Employing engineers.
Closed system. The water moves around. Gets polluted by commons free riders. But it doesn’t leave the system. What goes up, must come down. ♪♫♪ Let it be ♪ wanna’ be owner demand that moves wanna sell supply to areas of highest & best use.
Waterfront property usually costs a premium. Waterless property would needs pay up, too. Can’t afford? Move.
Water, air, sunlight, all that stuff that used to be free will now carry a price. Even free will has a price tag. It’s the great American way. The old hippie mantra, if it moves make love to it, has morphed into – if it pays, license it.
We will all go along because, money. In time, folks will accept payment for their daughters and sons. They came, they saw, they bought.
And the smug will comment: Who is like the Trump, and who can resist him? I am using the name Trump like Caesar. Trump will become a title; an irresistible fuhrer.
Las Vegas gets almost none of the water. Most of it goes to other states. And what does CA do with it? Grows things, for instance, in climate ill suited to so doing. Which is major bullshit.
As someone said, they need to desalinate if they want water. It takes a lot of energy to do that, but it can be done.
Re Vegas, there is no place on earth I would rather not go. It truly is a statement of national deterioration.
So it looks like sucking water out of the great lakes to feed Los Vegas, LA, Phoenix, etc. is a bad idea for some on this thread. That was my 2 cents to stir up thought about what to do about the coming water crises. Brian was the only one to come up with a great idea called NAWAPA. No one else came up with anything?
Really… does anyone have any ideas?
I came up with something. Water tanks for rainwater. Desalination.
Stop growing shit in deserts where growing such is not natural.
desal is better than nothing but it ain’t a panacea–as i understand it,in addition to the extreme cost it leaves behind a big salty mess that has to be discarded somewhere–
Tampa – my understanding is that you need to put it – the high salt concentration water- in the right spot, by pumping high salt concentration water way back out to sea where there is good current/ tidal flow to stir it back in and mix it back into the water.
They do not end up with just a big salt pile. Sea water is about 3.5% salt. They take that ut, and mix it with high volumes of sea water pumped back out to sea. It is not so good on sea life in the area of the returned point.
People use sea salt every day. In fact, we die without salt in our bodies. Unless the salt is contaminated in the process (and I don’t know how the process exactly works) why not sell it like Morton’s, or better yet, real natural sea salt with the minerals still intact? Sounds like a win-win situation.
VV -sea water is 3.5 percent salt. We are talking about desalinating untold hundreds upon hundreds of millions of gallons of water. A hundred million gallons of water, or 700 million pounds of water, would thus produce about 25 million pounds of salt. That is a lot of salt! But the US uses around 20 million tons of it a year, so maybe it is possible. The issue would be drying it out I suspect. What they do now is flush it back 8nto the sea as it is extracted.
Llpoh, flushing it back to the sea would not be a problem if the majority of that 20 million tons is devoted to domestic use. Salt is big business after all. It could also be exported. How many living in the desert would love to have that salt? That would take care of a major problem with sending it back out to sea without overwhelming the sealife. Again, I say win-win situation.
My biggest questions isl what is the rest of the makeup of sea water from desalination. If salt is only 3.5 percent, can the other minerals be used for some other venture?
Deserts were not always deserts. We can reclaim them with water. The central Arizona canal system with water from the Colorado River is doing just that.
According to the Bible man was created to manage the biosphere. Vast continental water distribution and management is now within our ability to do. It is about time we do it.
Thank you for your idea of water tanks for rain water. Many corporations and office high rises are doing that now. They are also harvesting the condensate on large air conditioning systems.
As for desalination your idea of pumping the brine far out into the ocean for remixing causes environmental problems; especially with the rampant growth of undesirable algae. Don’t think desalination is a viable solution in many places. I wonder what problems the Saudis are having with their massive desalination plants? Not there to see.
Tbird – yup, there are issues with the salt causing environmental problems. No answer is perfect. But reclaiming desert for oranges and such seems ridiculous to me. Need to grow things where they are suited to grow. That is my opinion, anyway.
Llpoh – The biosphere has changed the crust of the earth making the soil suitable for organic life. You have it backwards when you say “Need to grow things where they are suited to grow”. Vegetation and animals are self directing and self regulating. It is done through biogenic manipulation making the soil come alive in this way to support organic life. Ever observe what is called invasive species? You will see how it invades an area and changes the environment to suit it’s growth.
Ever do some research on what is under the Gobi and Sahara deserts? They were once fertile areas. Some time in the distant past an event happened that changed that. It is postulated that great winds started around the earth causing the erosion of the Himalayas and depositing the sand created in low laying areas; like the Gobi and Sahara deserts. Just look at the pictures of the Himalayas and their structure shows the evidence of great erosion caused by the wind.
Man is now in a position to do good or do destruction to the crust of the earth. We can further pollute it with the process of desalination or we can direct water where it is needed for the biosphere to grow.
I agree, Llpoh.
Stop AGW – turn off the HAARPs, and stop chemtrailing the skies.
Entropy in ideas. Seems to be our condition today. And President Trump wants to make America great again? He better start with the children.
as bad as we have it,china is in worse shape–they import more water than the us does oil–
https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/fubar-ii-china-must-import-more-water-than-the-us-imports-oil-14590/
Well, that’s what happens when you live in the middle of a desert that can’t support you all.
To fund a great project like MAWAPA it would take funding like was done for Hoover Dam. No taxpayer money. No private money.
Think of all the employment and jobs that would be created. Think of all the new towns that would be created. Think of all the commerce that would be created.
Man was created to work with mind and body. Our current social and political structures are obsolete. These structures are not suitable for the times or for man’s evolution to greater being along with life on earth.
A vision is now forming about the colonization of the moon and Mars. When one considers it was the biosphere that developed our atmosphere for organic life it can serve to develop the atmospheres on the moon and Mars for the expansion of organic life in the solar system and then into the universe.
Creation of conscious life seems to be the plan of a conscious God populating the universe with eternal conscious life.
Aliens from the vacuum of outer space money was it? ☻
That’s what it sounds like, I forgot. Foreign currency to me.
Just as a point of contention, Thunderbird, if the Hoover Dam was funded without taxpayer money and without private money, I would like to know how it was funded. After all, those are the only two options currently and in the past.
Government make-work jobs are not the answer. First, they are paid with tax money. Only real jobs are the answer, created by entrepreneurs, hiring people, and with the intent to stay in business as long as possible while making money. Government jobs only work for a short period of time, which builds huge cities of workers, attracting more businesses, but when the job is over, the city deteriorates and the additional businesses leave for lack of custom. Then the city increases taxes to make up for the loss of tax money, driving people out the city even more. Not a good program for a city. And not a good program for the taxpayers. In other words, it’s Socialism, and eventually the money runs out.
Testing 1,2,3 for e-mails response.
Vixen Vic:
Money was printed to build the Hoover Dam. The water and electricity sold paid the money back over a period of many years. The money never was put back into circulation. It was eliminated. This keeps private investors out of the picture.
And consider this: The building of the interstate highway system created much private business as it connected many parts of the country together creating commerce. Think what it would be like today if we didn’t have the interstate system. It would be the same with the MAWAPA project. And funding the project like we did the Hoover Dam would keep the investors out of the picture; those vipers who are only interested in profits off the backs of the rest of us.
Well, hell, if it’s good to print money to buy hoover dam it’s just as good for me to print money to buy a hoover vacuum.
NET creation is part of the key to the lock. Myself, I prefer route 66, but even that nets out negative, since it, like the trans-con(fidence scam) RR, was an insiders eminent domain – theft via an offer they couldn’t refuse – boondoggle. Which is falling to pieces, btw. Cuz “commons.” “Everybody” “owns” it.
I was an amateur herpetologist as a kid. You got your reptiles mixed up. Investors, deploying savings (saved money…because the natural interest rate compensates savers∞investors, even as it keeps your apparent pals from renting out your back…), are productive, not poisonous…not that true reptilian vipers are a bad thing at all.
Fiat, otoh, is methamphetamine. Methmouth viper bites are fatal. I’d take a cottonmouth bite over that, any day.
Profit is good; rent is bad(for your back).