Authored by ‘Selco’ via Daisy Luther’s Organic Prepper blog,
When finally the SHTF was over, when peace came it was not like we imagined it.
It was very different from what we imagined it while we were in the middle of the SHTF.
It was different on many levels.
When peace came we didn’t believe it.
During the war, many ceasefires were signed, and many peace treaties, local or countrywide. Many times high delegations from the EU came to our country or in surrounding countries. They held long elaborate peace conferences with local politicians and tried to make some agreements.
When the agreements were made and when we heard about it somehow, we hoped it could work. But it did not so the war continued.
To add to those real conferences and treaties we also had raging misinformation and rumors about peace settlements and treaties that actually never happened. So after some time, and many “peace agreements” while slaughter continued we simply kinda stop believing that it was going to happen.
And then one day one of those treaties kinda worked.
The war stopped.
It was not like it just stopped immediately one day. But through agreements, the shooting stopped, and through a very complicated process (that in a way still lasts) the situation started to move to some new kind of “normal”.
The fighting stopped, but since there were no real winners, it took time for some things.
For example, for months you could not go into some parts of the country with the “wrong” license plate or sticker on your car or similar…
We changed after the SHTF
After prolonged living in the situation that we went through, people changed on many levels, and some of those changes are pretty much irreversible. What is even more important is that some of those changes are transferred to our children, to new generations.
On the mental level, we learned during the collapse that it may be actually dangerous to hope. For example, when it came to peace we were disappointed many times, so people stop hoping, or at least lowered their expectations.
Hope and hoping in dangerous and prolonged situations sounds and looks good, but in reality, it may blur your vision. It may push you to pay attention to things that are not so relevant for your immediate attention.
One day you may find yourself hoping and dreaming so much that you fail to protect your family or obtain food or similar.
It was weird but not hoping may help you to operate better every and each day by taking care of things that need your immediate attention (food, safety, security…). But on the other side, killing hope had a toll on our mental health, I think.
Life without hope is not much of a quality life.
So when peace came, there were whole bunch of people who forgot to feel things.
They were conditioned to operate with a certain mental attitude in order to have the best chances of survival and no peace could change that, at least in the short term.
For a lot of people, it did not change ever.
It was not that peple were not happy because there was peace, but we lost a lot of “ourselves” in that SHTF, so we changed.
You shoot, you run, you are afraid… you are cold and hungry or you are dirty and sweating for days and months…and then one day all stops and you can go and buy things in the shop.
And you think, “I should be happy and yell and sing.” But somehow you are numb and think, “What was all this about and what I am supposed to do now?”
How everyday life changed when the SHTF was over
It took months for some things to get back to normal when it came to infrastructure.
Electric lines in some regions were almost nonexistent anymore. Phone lines, sewage, water system… all that was destroyed or completely messed up. Some regions were so dirty for numerous reasons that diseases spread.
Roads were “opened” but because the infrastructure was bad, the normal circulation of goods did not happen overnight. It took time.
For example, it took some time for all the different goods come in, and prices slowly came back down to “normal”.
For years there were regions and parts of the cities where it was dangerous to go because of mines. Even these days we have here every month or two someone killed because of an old land mine somewhere in the woods.
Still, more than 20 years after everything.
How people were different after surviving the SHTF
People changed.
For a pretty long period, things were handled between people with brute force, and to have a weapon was important like to breathe air.
When peace came, that weapon was still with people, and attidude and old habits changed very slowly.
Even today every respectable home has an assault weapon here, somewere hidden, but close at hand, even though it means 2 years in prison if you are caught.
People learned to use weapons and to “solve” problems with them.
From the point of survival, people learned a lot of good and useful things. I mean, you had a bunch of civilians who over the time learned to operate as a kind of military unit and to use different kinds of weapons, to recognize and use resources in our sourroundings that most people would not even notice.
We learned to protect our homes or invade others if needed.
At the same time, we learned also not to respect authority (goverment) because (very simplified) authority will simply f*ck you when it benefits them to do so and you will be on your own.
Police, goverment, law, become for a lot of people just words. They counted only on themselves because of the experience they went through.
From the survivalist point of view, a lot of good things maybe. But from the point of a normal functional society, a lot of bad things.
If you are a normal law-abiding citizen here, you are in the minority because most people simply use shortcuts in the corrupted society that war produced.
As I said, it is somehow “generational knowledge” so it passed on young people, too. Especially when it comes to not respecting authority.
Paradoxicaly living in a society like that is actually the recipe for a new SHTF. So at the end, it comes to a full circle. The SHTF that brought a corrupted society and people that are trying to survive in it by their own rules, will most probably bring another SHTF.
What to expect after the SHTF ends
After a real and prolonged SHTF, there is no coming back in a lot of things. Not when it comes to how you gonna feel, and actually what man (or woman) you are gonna be.
There may be celebrations, fireworks and whatever, but you will not be the same person. Survival will teach you a lot of things. You will be prepared for a lot of things in future, but even if in your case society and system rebuilds into something good and positive you will still be changed. And some parts of you that were good will be missing.
It is how it works. There are some skills and experiences you cannot gain without paying for them.
The one thing I hope for(I know,hope in some ways frowned upon)is that if I survive a total collapse/shtf ect. I did not become the monster I so rightfully despise.I wonder,if I do not become that “monster”could I survive?As always,hate to think this way but suppose better to try and as best as possible sort it out now while can think in relative peace.I also realize ugly reality can quickly change lines I am willing/not willing to cross in terms of survival.
Most of us do not wish to harm others. When others come for no reason to harm us we should feel no guilt at whatever extreme we take it to in order to defend our people and property. If you feel grief at the violence you have been forced into it means you have a soul, not that you are a sinner or evil.
HR,in some ways feel have already become that monster!A friend who got divorced recently is very busy getting things reorganized in his life,heasked me to KEEP reminding till done to get a few time shares signed over to ex-wife,well,sent a few what I thought helpful e-mails and he replied with a single word,Dick!To say the least was diswraught and thus put a lot of thought and care into last reminder e-mail,does this seem good?
ob,you seriously need to get on this time share thing pronto!You think neighbors bothered you shooting on your OWN land,wait till the neighborhood hears about the time shares a’wasting in your possession!
Look,I gave this a lot of thought and had a basically sleepless night(thanks asshole!)figuring out how this would all play out and am pretty 100% certain what will happen.While it would benefit me personally(will get to that) for once am not going to be a selfish bastard and look at the bigger picture,here is how it will play out.
The neighbors will let their dogs piss and shit on your lawn when you are not around,soon,will get braver and do it while you are sitting on your deck,basically mocking you.
Sure,you can toss a thumb nail nuke at neighbor and offending pooches and the problem goes away you think,wrong!
The use of your miniaturized nuke has cracked the earths mantle and set free a army of Orcs from the mid earth who then go on a killing/raping /cannibal spree of epic proportions,sounds bad,well,it gets worse!Folks will fight back shooting/killing said Orcs and the next thing you know you also have a army of screaming/frothing at the mouth social justice warriors with signs saying “Orc’s lives matter”/”Celebrate diversity”/ect.,sigh….,you get the point.Oh,and lets not forget all the starbucks coffee/soy milk containers they leave around,basically a total shit show.I know,your thinking might be a good time for another thumb nail nuke,seriously,do you ever learn?!
Now,to me this whole fiasco is not a threat to me health as I have a army of child sex slaves with suicide vests at me beck and call(told you prepping would pay off!”‘,can personally deal with any attacks but most folks not ready to this degree!Oh,and would personally benefit me as looking to buy in the Hampster and think of what your selfish/lazy/retarded actions lead to in regards to property values and the loss of lives ect.
So Bob,for the good of humanity why not get off your fat ass and deal with these time shares while you can before this situation gets totally out of control!
Does this e-mail in regards to time share seem more helpful?
W T F are u babbling about????
People learned to use weapons and to “solve”problems with them.
In a SHTF the only rights you will have are those you can take by force or persuasion.
Force talks and Bullshit walks.
Few preppers know how incredibly hard it is to kill a fellow human. Both physically and emotionally.
Try to decide now, why and when you would be willing to kill and remember that if you want to live you will have to keep killing them.
Selco learned that the hard way.
If you don’t empty the whole clip in their head they have an uncanny way of coming back. Just like a stray cat. Sorry Yoji.
If I were protecting my family, I would have no problem killing a fellow human and feel absoluely no guilt.
Stucky lets not forget Wip builds his S-10 truck from hell!
Hahaha, screw you Stucky, as brown as we are, we don’t need no more “browner” people coming here. Already too much Indians (from India) getting here legally, but over staying illegally, with the whole family.
First they came for the Jews,and all I said was”You sure you got them all this time”.
Then,they came for the blacks,and I said nothing.
Then they came for the progressive libs,and I said nothing.
Then they came for the illegals,and I said nothing.
Then they came……,hmmmmm…..,they never came again and life was pretty damn good afterwards.
Simon the goat gored Nick and now is on the menu for our big hootenanny celebration October 20. In case you are in the area.
There will be rabbit appetizers.
Please God… not this recycled rehashed doom porn shit from “Selco.”
It’s been regurgitated and reposted so many times over the years my head hurts!
I read it years ago for the first time on 24HR Gold. Probably from the Mac Slavo SHTF column.
The reality is that the Clintoons allowed Al Qaeda to move into Jugoslobovia and help seize Kosovo from Serbia setting up a “Muslimfuk” mafia narco state through which Al Qaeda then flooded heroin into Europe and eventually the US. The Pizza Connection was replaced by the “Jug Cafe Connection.” It is a lot better than it was in non “Muslimfuk” Jugland but the great powers of NATO set up a narco state and the Clintons were up to their eyeballs in it and the money center banks here and abroad as well as the Deep State are now up to their eyeballs in it. You may recall that Trump commented during the campaign that he couldn’t understand why no one was talking about the raging heroin epidemic when it was all anyone spoke to him about everywhere he went.
Peter Strzok’s daddy is supposedly one of the CIA old hands in the drug running “national security” department.
Read and received!
Free Kosovo!
My father was a Captain in the US Army. Later in life he told me what it was like to in Berlin, just after the war ended. He stood by the Brandenburg Gate – he said it was still standing, badly damaged, most buildings were rubble, it was like the ‘surface of the moon.’
Let’s hope the SRHTF (shit-really-hits-the-fan) doesn’t happen.
Call up the ghosts of Sarajevo (1992), Leningrad (1942), Vicksburg (1863), or Vienna (1529).
They could tell us about SHTF.
Good thing “This is ‘MURICA, and it can’t happen here”.