Dow 10,000

Guest Post by Bill Bonner

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BALTIMORE, MARYLAND – Trading continued yesterday… with stocks swinging lustily from tree to tree like drunken monkeys.

When the closing bell finally sounded, the Dow was down just 79 points. The monkeys were greatly relieved.

And today, the Fed sets up another drink. Here’s a headline from The Wall Street Journal:

Fed May Slow Rate Increase Pace

Our advice to readers: Relax… and enjoy the comedy show.

Buffett Indicator

Deutsche Bank reports that 89% of the world’s assets are in negative territory so far in 2018 – in dollar terms. Is this a buying opportunity?

Presidential economic advisor Larry Kudlow must think so. This is what he told Fox News recently:

The economy is in terrific shape. We’re in an economic boom. People thought it would be impossible. The reality is we are clicking on all cylinders. They are absolutely crushing it, profits are rising, confidence is up, blue-collars are up, wages are up…

But stocks are now falling. Worldwide, about $5 trillion has already been knocked off stock values. The S&P 500 is about 10% below its top in September. And the FAANG stocks – the leading technology stocks – are down about 25% from their highs.

Still, they’ve got a long way to go.

Warren Buffett’s favorite yardstick for valuing stocks measures the relationship of total market capitalization (the value of all stocks added together) to GDP. The ratio should be well below 100%. Stocks cannot be worth much more than the GDP of the country that supports them.

But this ratio is now as high as it’s ever been – it’s about even with the top of the great bubble market of 1999.

Stocks today are equal to about 150% of GDP. The Dow would have to fall by nearly 50% to get back to normal.

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Another, more indirect, way to look at it is to compare U.S. household net worth (which includes real estate, bonds, and stocks) to national output.

Since housing, collectibles, art, bonds, and just about everything else are all up substantially, this ratio is at a new record high – at 5 times GDP. Stocks (and other assets) would have to drop by about 30% to bring this back to its historical average.

Another calculation looks at the number of hours the typical person would have to work to buy the S&P 500 Index.

Take 1980, for example. Based on median wages and the S&P trading around 120, it took only 20 hours of toting, schlepping, and busting one’s hump to buy the 500 stocks in the index.

Today, it takes 120 – a new record. The average since the 1960s is only about 50. That implies a setback for stock prices of about 60%.

Dow 10,000… Here we come!

Greenspan Put

But not to worry. Investors think they have both the Fed and the White House backing them up.

You’ll recall the famous “Greenspan Put.” The idea, developed after the 1987 crash, was that the Alan Greenspan-led Fed would come to the aid of stock market investors and prevent any permanent losses.

Prices could fall suddenly and sharply, but it wouldn’t take the Fed long to come to the rescue. In the late 1980s/early 1990s, for example, the Fed cut some 700 basis points – 7% – off the federal funds rate, causing the bubble market of the late 1990s.

Then, after the inevitable dot.com blowup, once again, Greenspan rushed in where angels feared to tread. The federal funds rate was cut by 500 basis points, a welcome increase of spirits in the punchbowl.

And it did the trick; the EZ-money party soon started up again.

Greenspan’s successor, Ben Bernanke, used this magic again after stocks collapsed in 2008-2009. This time, though, he started from a lower position, with only about 500 basis points available.

In the panic, he cut them all… down to zero. He also increased the Fed’s monetary base – by inventing nearly $4 trillion of new money with which to buy bonds.

Again, the remedy worked – in the sense that it reinflated the bubble.

So investors are probably thinking that another big downturn will be followed by another big rescue.

They may be right, too, in thinking that they now have the president of the United States in their corner, as well as the Fed.

President T. knows that he will be the biggest loser in a bear market. His reputation as a financial master will be ruined. His political career (notably, his chances of re-election) will be trashed. And his own fortune will get banged up badly, too.

Trump will do whatever he can to keep prices rising on Wall Street – including pressuring the Fed to cut rates… announcing a phantom trade deal with China… running huge deficits… cutting taxes… or simply talking up the economy with his usual mixture of real bravura and counterfeit facts.

But this time, it may not be so easy to restart the party.

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Negative Territory

First, the Fed now has only 225 basis points to work with. It can cut them. But then, it will be in negative territory.

But since the inflation rate is about 2.50%… it is already in negative territory, in real terms.

Diving deeper into the dark pool could have some very strange and unwelcome consequences. The Fed will be chary of doing so. (But it will go for it anyway… as we will see.)

As for the president, he will respond as expected, too. He will come up with his own Bush-style TARP program – focused on infrastructure boondoggles.

But like the Fed, he starts from a weaker position than Bush did. The feds are already running a $1.2 trillion deficit. Their knees will quake at the thought of a $2 trillion deficit.

That won’t stop them, of course… but the additional deficits will drive up consumer prices, and probably result in some form of stagflation in the economy.

Debt will soar. Growth will slump.

And how about stocks? Will they go up again, as both Trump and Powell exercise their “puts”?

Not necessarily.

The Japanese had plenty of puts, too, and used them all after their bubble popped in 1989. But the Nikkei index never recovered. It’s still down 30% – 30 years later!

When the next crash comes, it could be decades before we see the Dow at 26,000 again.

Stay tuned…

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gatsby1219
gatsby1219
December 8, 2018 6:52 pm

13 economic records broke by Trump, I think he’s got this.

gatsby1219
gatsby1219
  gatsby1219
December 9, 2018 6:15 am

Thanks for the down vote, Snowflake.

gatsby1219
gatsby1219
  gatsby1219
December 10, 2018 8:44 am

A little info for the down voters….

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Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
December 8, 2018 11:10 pm

The market goes up, it goes down, while Bonner is ALWAYS a full of shit huckster. Agora must mean scam in some foreign language.

Martin
Martin
  Harrington Richardson
December 9, 2018 10:11 am

You may want to review BB’s plan from around Y2K that made many people 500%.
It was simple: sell all stocks, buy gold, wait for a few years.
And here we are 10-15 years later pretty desperate to make 3% on stox.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Martin
December 9, 2018 2:19 pm

I did more than 3% last month alone.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
December 9, 2018 12:46 am

I’m thinking about starting a restaurant chain that sells nothing but curried chicken liver. The only choice would be small or large. The only drink would be Diet Mountain Dew and the only side would be onion rings. All I need is the name.

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
  Iska Waran
December 9, 2018 10:49 am

CurryKing or MacCurry? Seriously though, opening a Soup Kitchen in 2019 might be a better idea.

Ivan
Ivan
  robert h siddell jr
December 9, 2018 4:52 pm

“Soup kitchen in 2019”

Already been done, it’s called walmart

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
  Iska Waran
December 9, 2018 11:59 am

Iska….I’ve been going though the same thing. I have a great slogan for a cutting edge electronics company. All I need is a product. My slogan is:

Technology so advanced…..we don’t understand it .

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
  Iska Waran
December 9, 2018 2:31 pm

Why not replace the onion rings with crunchy french fried chicken feet? Then you can name your place Iska’s exotic chicken diner.

yahsure
yahsure
December 9, 2018 10:30 am

Trump won the election and just his mentioning tax cuts and regulation s being cut and the confidence people all of a sudden had is what made things go upward. It’s all a bunch of crap to start with. Everyone is gambling and trying to make a few bucks. The debt is what I think will be the countries undoing.

wdg
wdg
December 9, 2018 10:46 am

The Film the Israel Lobby Does Not Want You to See

The Lobby – USA, episode 1

The Lobby – USA, episode 2

The Lobby – USA, episode 3

The Lobby – USA, episode 4

By Chris Hedges
Global Research, December 05, 2018
“The Lobby,” the four-part Al-Jazeera documentary that was blocked under heavy Israeli pressure shortly before its release, has been leaked online by the Chicago-based website Electronic Intifada, the French website Orient XXI and the Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar.

The series is an inside look over five months by an undercover reporter, armed with a hidden camera, at how the government and intelligence agencies of Israel work with U.S. domestic Jewish groups such as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), The Israel Project and StandWithUs to spy on, smear and attack critics, especially American university students who support the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement. It shows how the Israel lobby uses huge cash donations, often far above the U.S. legal limit, and flies hundreds of members of Congress to Israel for lavish and unpaid vacations at Israeli seaside resorts, bribing the American lawmakers to do Israel’s bidding, including providing military aid such as the $38 billion (over 10 years) that was approved by Congress in 2016. It uncovers Israel’s sleazy character assassination of academics, activists and journalists, its well-funded fake grassroots activism, its manipulation of press coverage, and its ham-

fisted
attempts to destroy marriages, personal relationships and careers. The film highlights the efforts to discredit liberal Jews and Jewish organizations as tools of radical jihadists, referring, for example, to Jewish Voice for Peace as “Jewish Voice for Hamas” and claiming that many members of the organization are not actually Jewish. Israel recruits black South Africans into an Israeli front group called Stop Stealing My Apartheid, in a desperate effort to counter the reality of the apartheid state that Israel has constructed. The series documents Israel’s repeated and multifaceted interference in the internal affairs of the United States, including elections; efforts to discredit progressive groups such as Black Lives Matter that express sympathy for the Palestinians; and routine employment of Americans to spy on other Americans. Israel’s behavior is unethical and perhaps illegal. But don’t expect anyone in the establishment or either of the two ruling political parties to do anything about it. It is abundantly clear by the end of the series that they have been intimidated, discredited or bought off.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  wdg
December 9, 2018 7:51 pm

“They don’t want you to see” yet you could not only see it but repost it. What a tool.

22winmag - Q is a Psyop and Trump is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a Psyop and Trump is lead actor
December 9, 2018 3:23 pm

2019: Stocks in the crapper, Trump resigns, 1+ year of Pence before we have full-globalist Pence vs. full-globalist Demoncrat from Hell in 2020.

Washington had better look like Paris before the 2020 elections.

Ivan
Ivan
December 9, 2018 4:49 pm

10k my ass

Correction to between 3-7k

BL
BL
  Ivan
December 9, 2018 8:14 pm

Ivan- Looking at the Dow mini tonight, the market will open below 23k. I put the magic number down to 6800 in the long haul.

Ivan
Ivan
  BL
December 9, 2018 9:16 pm

Works for me

Prof. Mandelbrot
Prof. Mandelbrot
December 10, 2018 8:34 am

the fed will cut to zero again. Then the govt will use tarp and also qe to buy stock to put a foundation on the stock market. The real issue is inflation. The govt is so used to using monetary policy (fed funds rates) to increase inflation to undue their rescues as in the past that they may not be able to create inflation and deflation may occur instead. Massive low iq low skilled immigrants on welfare and the american worker tapped out and in debt. Outsourced jobs and robots dont promote wage growth. Then real fear and panic of the fiat currency and severely weak dollar may cause our reserve currency status to become jeapordized. This, however is of no concern because “someone else will be in power at that time” will have to deal with it. Kick the can down the road as always. The only way to fortify the reserve currency is a war and kick start the economy. It will need to be a war with specific countrys advocating our currencys decline and also another major power, or two. China and russia come to mind. Thats why trump hates china and the democrats hate russia. They are working together because they know when this party ends folks. Its a dual narrative to brainwash both political sides. To enjoin us in their end game. They are only worried about themselves and their power.