Submitted by Hardscrabble Farmer
It takes longer to get to work now because of traffic, and inflation has affected your purchasing power, it’s only logical that we can’t return to the Moon because stuff. The only reason that wasn’t mentioned is the wanton and feckless behavior of a government that cannot seem to tell the truth and how the public is able to connect those dots. It’s nothing but psychological mumbo jumbo.
Better to remain silent than to speak and be thought a fool.
Why So Many Believe The Moon Landing Was A Hoax
Authored by Onar Am via LibertyNation.com,
On July 20, 1969, Apollo 11 took humans to the moon for the first time. Now, 50 years later, an increasing number of people believe that the moon landing was an elaborate hoax.
Some explain this strange conspiracy theory in psychological terms. Being a contrarian can make people feel special, producing a feeling of belonging to a uniquely wise and insightful elite. Others consider it an expression of hatred for America, grasping at any straw that can portray the US in an unfavorable light.
A rarely discussed third reason is the near-religious belief in progress as promoted by the philosophers Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel and Karl Marx, who believed that history inevitably marches toward a better world. But in many areas, we have regressed. NASA no longer is capable of going to the moon, and the last time any human has set foot on our celestial neighbor was in 1972 with the Apollo 17 mission.
If progress is inevitable, why don’t we have hotels on the moon?
For some, it is easier to believe that the moon landing was fake than to accept that technological innovation has just stopped.
The Hiatus In Progress
But wait, don’t we have smartphones now, the internet, and all sorts of cool gadgets and apps that didn’t exist 50 years ago? True, the fields of electronics and telecommunications have seen enormous advances, but these few hotspots of innovation cloak the fact that, in almost all other areas, technological development has ceased. Silicon Valley investor Peter Thiel documented this decline in his book Zero to One, in which he describes several surprising facts:
- Consider the average car speed. Due to more traffic and congestion, it takes longer to get to work today than it did in 1970. Air travel takes longer, too. We used to have supersonic airplanes, but the Concorde went out of business in 2003.
- In 1970, a family could afford to buy a house with only one salary. Increasingly this is not true. Health care and education used to be affordable, but the prices keep going up.
- You have perhaps heard of the growing problem of microbial resistance to antibiotics. Maybe that makes more sense if you also knew that no new antibiotic drug has been developed since the 1960s.
- Medical innovation also is slowing down. Despite more and more money being invested in drug development, fewer drugs make it to the market, according to Thiel.
Regulations
Why has innovation nearly stopped? The simple answer is likely regulations.
Regulations slow down and prevent innovation by making every endeavor more expensive and less efficient. Today, for instance, it takes on average ten years and $100 million to get a new drug through the FDA approval process. Unlike many other countries, America has spent much of its wealth on financing bureaucrats that make life difficult for inventors. For that reason, the United States is no longer the freest country in the world.
In fact, the Scandinavian countries that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) often describes as an ideal typically score higher on economic freedom than the United States. A key factor in their success is a lean government with few and more efficient regulations. Despite being large welfare states, it is easier to do business in these countries than in America.
Great Again?
While perhaps not aware of why it was happening, a lot of Americans sensed the slowing of the US economy. That likely is why so many voters responded to President Donald Trump’s 2016 slogan, Make America Great Again.
He promised to slash regulations, and so far the economy has responded with healthy growth and record-low unemployment numbers. The Daily Wire’s new four-episode documentary Apollo 11: What We Saw featuring Bill Whittle describes a time before all those regulations.
Whittle dismantles the fake moon landing conspiracy theory by showing that before Neil Armstrong took that giant leap for mankind, hundreds of small incremental steps had to be made. Each of those steps would have been impossible if draconian health and safety regulations had been in place.
The greatest lesson of Apollo 11 may be that, once upon a time, before the slow and gradual decay into red tape and socialism, America used to be an engine of innovation and growth. Maybe it can be great again?
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So you’re telling me that tens of thousands of people were in on the hoax? That’s the biggest crock of bullshit I’ve ever heard!
Wouldn’t need everyone in on the hoax. Maybe a hundred people at most. And anyone who stepped out of line would be branded a crazy tinfoil hatted conspiracy theorist.
Or would simply be “disappeared” or “suicided.”
From Aplanetruth.info: Deaths of key people involved with the Apollo program In a television program about the hoax theory, Fox Entertainment Group listed the deaths of 10 astronauts and of two civilians related to the manned spaceflight program as having possibly been killings as part of a coverup.
Ted Freeman (T-38 crash, 1964)
Elliott See and Charlie Bassett (T-38 accident, 1966)
Virgil “Gus” Grissom (supposedly an outspoken critic of the Space Program) (Apollo 1 fire, January 1967) Ed White (Apollo 1 fire, January 1967) Roger Chaffee (Apollo 1 fire, January 1967)
Ed Givens (car accident, 1967)
C. C. Williams (T-38 accident, October 1967)
X-15 pilot Mike Adams (the only X-15 pilot killed in November 1967 during the X-15 flight test program – not a NASA astronaut, but had flown X-15 above 50 miles).
Robert Lawrence, scheduled to be an Air Force Manned Orbiting Laboratory pilot who died in a jet crash in December 1967, shortly after reporting for duty to that (later cancelled) program.
NASA worker Thomas Baron Train crash, 1967 shortly after making accusations before Congress about the cause of the Apollo 1 fire, after which he was fired. Ruled as suicide.
Paul Jacobs, a private investigator from San Francisco, interviewed the head of the US Department of Geology in Washington about the ‘moon rocks’. Did you examine the Moon rocks, did they really come from the Moon? Jacobs asked – the geologist did not respond, only laughed. Paul Jacobs and his wife died from cancer within 90 days.
Lee Gelvani claims to have almost convinced James Irwin, an Apollo 15 astronaut whom Gelvani referred to as an “informant”, to confess about a cover-up having occurred. Irwin was supposedly going to contact Kaysing about it; however he died of a heart attack in 1991, before any such telephone call occurred. Spacecraft testing and flying high performance jet aircraft can be dangerous, and all but one of the astronaut deaths (Irwin’s) were directly related to their rather hazardous job. Two of the astronauts, Mike Adams and Robert Lawrence, had no connection with the civilian manned space program. Astronaut James Irwin had suffered several heart attacks in the years prior to his death. There is no independent confirmation of Gelvani’s claim that Irwin was about to come forward. Moreover, if there was a coverup (that the Apollo 11 and subsequent landings were faked), the coverup would logically have occurred in 1969 and subsequent years – yet all of the deaths listed above occurred in 1967 or earlier.
128,000 people worked on the Manhattan Project. The program was shrouded in such secrecy that Truman had to be briefed on it when he became president as he had no clue. Only a handful of people had the big picture. You could easily fit them in a room.
Yes, that’s when Truman learned nukes don’t really go bang, they just get hot and boil water.
Conventional explosives, napalm cluster bombs, military intelligence took care of the hoax, and the scare, and the coordination with the Russkies, who were never enemies to the USA.
The nuclear weapons hoax is worth 10 times as much as a PSYOP as it would be as a real-life battlefield weapon.
The Shroud of Secrecy tipped off Russian scientists that something was going on. They petitioned Stalin to send some spies to find out why their American Scientist friends would no longer talk to them about splitting the atom.
Ragman – that anyone gave you thumbs down reflects on the idiocy of many current TBP readers.
So true my friend! I’m interested to know ‘sacly what part of the moon landing was a hoax? The launch? No astronauts? The Apollo spacecraft didn’t really go to the moon? It went to the moon but didn’t land? WTF? Anyway, I really don’t give a shit what they think! Hope all is well “Down Under”!
Rahman, I’ve referenced Moon Doggie many times. Do yourself a favor and read it.
We never went. Please read
I have often wondered which is the bigger hoax. Moon landing,9/11 or the holly hoax.
There were only two people involved in the Holly Hoax, HO and YO.
Both got the 11, oh they love the 11.
How many people were involved in the Manhattan Project during WWII? Yes, I realize that it was wartime, but the point is very large numbers of people can keep a secret. In this case, only a small number of people needed to know the truth. The best part of it all is that almost everyone involved really believed what they were doing was real, because nobody would pay them to do all of that work if it wasn’t real.
The other point that nobody seems to recognize is that two years after the Apollo 11 mission, the US defaulted on its currency. Coincidence?
People who worked on the Manhattan project lived in “secret cities “ in Los Alamos, NM and Oak Ridge, TN. Absolutely fascinating places to visit with excellent museums.
Manhattan project was an international project and STILL managed to be a surprise to the public.
The problem with the idea that it was a hoax is that Kubrick’s perfectionism would have required him to film the phony landing on the moon.
If the US couln’t make it to the moon, then they would fake it to the moon, which is EXACTLY what they did.
The article isn’t particularly convincing. As indicated, it takes longer to get to work because of congestion. Not because humanity somehow lost the technology needed to build cars. And technological progress slowing or stopping is not the same thing as progress going backwards, or being lost altogether.
Has anyone you can trust even seen this Hardscrabble Farmer? I don’t think he exists.
Bill Whittle evidently never read Moon Doggie. Any thought we landed there is indeed lunacy.
Don’t think man landed on the moon…really good binoculars or telescope and you can see yourself the trash piles you left there.
So. We dug up the dead horse and are now beating the shit out of the carcass ?
We’re not the ones trying to make some kind of patriotic hash out of the Moon landing anniversary. That America is long gone, completely reviled by the current owners and will be granted zero value by those attempting to harness the nostalgia of a better country that they murdered.
So back to dead horse beating it is.
You dragged that poor dead horse out of the field it was buried in and started the beating. And whether merika is capable today has nothing to do with whether it was capable in 1969. Every one of your arguments can be easily debunked and have been over and over again. Who cares what you think about the moon landing. We would get a more informed answer on moon landings from one of your cows than we are getting from you. You posted the article. You seem to prattle on and on with these insane theories based on literally nothing. You are the one with the biggest stick whacking on that poor dead horse.
It’s a traditional American pastime.
Yes, it is a very sad defense of the moon landings. I watched several Apollo launches from Daytona beach, so I can vouch for at least the take-offs and very impressive arc and the trail of flame accelerating into the heavens.
The still visible equipment and footprints I think are actual evidence of our human presence on the moon.
Alternatively, technology has advanced at an accelerating pace in terms of computing power, materials science, manufacturing e.g We didn’t have GPS back then……think how ubiquitous and needed GPS is now.
I think we do have a space program……but it is all military based (Space Force!) and likely in conjunction with alien “Partners”. How else does one explain the many missing Trillions of USD from the DOD budget? They didn’t go missing they went into black programs and I would speculate space-based programs.
I believe that we landed on the moon because we, just barely, had the technology to pull it off. We did not have the ability to fake it like we do now.
For those of us who were around back then, it was a time of wonder before the horrors of Nam and the Kennedy murder destroyed our world as we knew it and turned us toward the side of darkness.
We had such hope, once.
Semper, I have heard that memory in old age melds into lagoons with no respect for dates. You are misremembering the sequence of events. I believe JFK was whacked long before the moon landing in ’69.
You are correct streets. I was poorly stating how the culmination of events in those days destroyed the America of my youth and replaced it with the shallow emptiness found today. There were several shocks that upset the equilibrium. At one time we felt we could accomplish anything. Now? Are we even capable of being able to return to that previous ability? Guess we will see. Meanwhile, I will fuzzily remember watching the landings on a black and white tv and continue to believe that for a short period of time we were capable of miracles.
I read that budding rocket scientists had to go to the Smithsonian to study the rockets on display there. It’s similar to the story of concrete, the technology was lost for hundreds of years. NASA not only lost the tapes, they lost the know-how. Another question: how to replay the recordings of useful data when the playback equipment is obsolete and probably in a junkyard in Peking? Anybody have an old 8-track lying around?
I was at a thrift shop close to the Air Force base (you do realize what high ranking officers’ wives just throw away when they move don’t you?) and saw a whole collection of 8 tracks AND one of those portable 8-track cassette players they made for about ONE YEAR in the 1970s.
I did NOT purchase them. I was very tempted when I saw In a Gada Da Vida on top of the pile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc9Cv7jODqI
el condor?
So, kind of a “we were dumb enough to believe we could do it” sort of achievement?
Snopes as a reference???? WTF???
Please read MoonDoggie
The title of the post expresses the first inaccuracy of which there are many.
It is not true that so many believe that the moon landing was a hoax. Only a very small number of people believe that the moon landing was a hoax. These people who believe that the moon landings were a hoax do not understand the science and the technology that went into the effort and they do not have the capacity to evaluate whether in fact the moon landings were feasible. They are using the communist approach to problem solving; feels – not reals.
Now one could suggest that further study would disabuse this small number of people of their feelings. That perhaps through education they could come to see that indeed, brave men stuffed themselves into tiny tin boxes which were placed on top of a horrendously huge rocket and shot into an environment where any mistake could lead to almost instant death. I don’t see that education has any chance of penetrating the certainty that surrounds this opinion.
Some have done the reading, and not being able to understand what is being presented to them, have come to the wrong conclusion. Some don’t even care about the facts. They contend that the government lies to them and therefore it is correct to assume that everything that they are told is a lie. The earth is not a sphere, but is indeed flat. The Van Allen belt is too deadly for anyone to transit through. Men never walked on the moon. None of these opinions are based on fact and yet they persist. It does not appear to be possible to present any facts which can alter the opinion of this incredibly small number of people.
So you might argue that such a small number of people with opinions which are so far off the normal scale could not possibly be worth the trouble. Why bother even discussing this. As I have said before, if you can’t convince someone that the earth is a sphere, what chance do you think that you might have convincing anyone that communism is a dangerous concept? Without the skills of persuasion, of teaching, the evils of society can never be ameliorated. Society can never move forward because nobody will ever change their mind. And in the end, it is about changing somebodies mind. If you can’t do that then you might as well go home and take a nap because you won’t have any impact.
I am already home and I think I will go and take a nap.
The only person not understanding science here is you.
And here we have it. Proof of my contention. Feels baby. Feels.
The world must be a scary place when one “feels” the earth is flat and the Moon is out of bounds and off limits.. craaaaaaaaaazy!
Hey! Guess what? People from the Mississippi all the way to (almost) Denton, Texas seem to be really Patriotic and kind of optimistic. I wonder why they don’t sense the pessimism from the coasts?
@HR
Agree with your well explained post.
Perhaps the disbelief in a moon landing is the belief in the firmament, as mentioned in the Bible, as being “… a sort of fixed or solid dome that encased the earth. Some cultures understood it to be a solid dome with the lights of the stars and planets being fixed to it like the lighting in a theater. ” Source: https://tinyurl.com/y3358ter
If one believes the Bible is the verbatim word of God and one believes that this definition of the word firmament is correct then one must also believe that one cannot pass beyond such a barrier nor land on it and so forth. Would any Bible scholars care to comment on this, as I would be interested?
I find it discouraging when you can lay out the argument in clear, concise English written at a level a sharp middle school kid would have little trouble grasping and have people immediately fall back to the “I’m still perplexed as to why people don’t believe it” response.
If a witness in a court gives false testimony and is proven to have lied under oath, does the Court go back to the drawing table to try and figure out why no one believes the witness? Of course not, in fact, the witness and all of their previous testimony is tainted as being fruit of the poisoned tree and the jury is instructed by the judge not to give it any credence.
NASA and the US Government are not reputable witnesses, their testimony and evidentiary submissions have no value. Whatever you think you know about the Moon landing- whether true or false- has been the evidence of false witnesses.
If you prefer to continue in your belief, then you are practicing a faith based belief system and there is nothing wrong with that, but there is no proof of the event actually having taken place beyond what has been provided by unrepentant serial liars, i.e., not factual.
I’m sure that some people cling to the belief for a myriad of reasons not associated with a logical, rational approach, but they are in the minority. The majority express a clear and succinct reasoning based on the facts above and until the Moon landings can be proven definitively, factually and undeniably by providing irrefutable evidence, only a fool would cling to the belief that it actually occurred.
@HSF
I find it discouraging when a poster feels the need to use a form of passive aggressive commentary but, whatever, let’s focus on the meat of your post.
Basically what your entire post is saying is that all the evidence provided by NASA and, by extension, the very many other scientific organizations around the world who support NASA’s position and the moon landing claims, are all lies and liars. Everyone, everywhere, who claims the moon landings are real and that the science presented by NASA to support that claim, are all lies. Not a single, reputable scientific organization anywhere in the world, not in countries that are our friends nor in countries that are our enemies, are denying NASA’s claim of a moon landing or providing evidence to the contrary and therefore they too must all be in on the big lie. OK, let’s leave that for the moment.
So what about the counter evidence that “a sharp middle school kid would have little trouble grasping”. Where is that evidence? I mean real scientific evidence, not just conjectures, theories, assumptions, and various claims as I have seen posted in various videos on this website. I’m talking about real science, with real math, physics, astrophysics, presented by real experts with reputations on the line. Where is that type of evidence?
And even if that counter-evidence were scientifically sound, why can the no-moon-landing (“NML”) proponents not get any major, world recognizable, scientific organizations to confirm it? It would be Nobel prize worthy research. Why can the NML proponents not get any major scientific body anywhere in the world, either in friendly nations or in enemy nations, to confirm their counter-evidence as presented by the NML proponents?
But here’s the clincher; even if they could get such 3rd party confirmation you are then left with the very same problem that you are using to deny any claim by NASA, which is this: you claim NASA cannot be trusted as a reliable witness. Fine. How then will the non-scientist, the layman, the person not in the loop, how would they know who to trust instead? How will anyone who is not themselves a space-scientist, a PHD degreed astrophysicist, a qualified expert in the space-exploration field themselves with access to the source materials be able to know what the truth is, which claim is true? And here it all comes down to one of your apparent favorite sayings (and one of mine) which is that everyone believes what they want to believe – because unless you yourself are an expert in such matters and have access to the original source materials then you will have to take a side based on …. who you trust.
You’re not really here to hunt bear, are you?
Let’s just say I don’t communicate very well with your type and leave it at that.
Sure, we’ll leave it there.
At least one time in my life, and maybe more, I was onboard a surveillance type aircraft tasked with tracking “re-entry” of a space shuttle of one kind or another. I even saw one land piggy-backed onto a 747, which was cool, on its way to Texas, I believe.
At one time, at the Kirkpatrick Center close to the OKC Zoo, there was an enormous amount of Apollo XX memorabilia, including a landing craft and a mockup of the lunar lander Neil supposedly stepped off the ladder and into the historical archive of mankind.
We climbed around in it and climbed down the ladder, so I guess you could say I walked the same steps as Neil Armstrong!
They even had a big box of the rocks there, supposedly. I don’t know if they were the “real” ones or the “fake” ones or if there was any real difference. I just know we had a lot of fun crawling around on that stuff before they roped it all off.
I doubt that stuff is even still there… it became the Omniplex at some point.
Wow… they went full Professional Museum! No more playday for Miss Maggie’s homeroom class!
https://www.sciencemuseumok.org/
If you are in OKC, you could see the show at the planetarium!
https://www.sciencemuseumok.org/kirkpatrick-planetarium
[Just sayin’
“Apollo 11: For All Mankind”
A Science Museum Oklahoma original presentation. Regular showtimes through Labor Day.
When it comes to space exploration, the period from 1961-1972 appears more like 11 years that belong in the 21st century rather than the 20th. It was during this time that humanity took its first steps to another world. Join us as we trace the courageous beginnings of space exploration up to and through the accomplishments of NASA’s Apollo moon program and examine the legacy of Apollo which lives today with our eyes looking toward Mars and beyond.”]
Maggie- If we go to Disney World’s Epcot Center, should we REALLY believe we are in Europe and Asia?? Mock -ups of BS are just mock-ups.
My pretend button is permanently broken.
I’m being a bit sarcastic, Bea… I never really believed the stuff was real. It was kind of stuck in a back room with no one watching it. That’s why I let the kids I was monitoring pose on it for pictures. It was made to look real. But there was a thing or two there that really “seemed” to be real equipment from real space launches.
Or, just really good models for filming. Either way, it made for great field trip photos.
And then? All the brats remembered about the day was that Mrs. Grooch got a speeding ticket on the way home. Fortunately, all children were buckled in and no one over the age of three was required to be in car seats then! The policeman gave me a warning ticket, probably because one of the brats started blubbering like a little girl.
I was only going 72 in a 45 with four children in my car. How much do you think the fine would have been? (I asked. It would have been 230 bucks. That was in 1998. I would probably be in jail now for child endangerment.)
72 in a 45 with 4 kids in the car. Somebody get a rope for the rope.
HSF, I see you’re taking a mild beating on this comment (2up 8 down)
Maybe your persuasion and intellect will make the HOAX of a lunar landing easier for others to digest after reading the excellent and well researched story below. I can’t seem to get anyone to read it.
I’ve read this before, is it your work? It reminds me of Miles Mathis- well written, great underlying personal details to flesh out the rest of the story.
I don’t care if anyone believes the story or doesn’t, it has absolutely zero impact on anyone’s life anyway, so it’s academic at best. What it does for me is help sift out the kinds of folks you want in your orbit (no pun intended) versus the ones that are better held at arm’s length. It is funny just how invested people are in believing in the story though even though they have no connection to it other than their belief in the story.
I quite often quiz intelligent (seeming) folks I know well enough to approach on the topic without causing them to react poorly. This trip, I found 4 of 7 willing to at least consider the alternate view: Why WOULDN’T they fake it and waste the money elsewhere? Didn’t WE?
Three of them refuse to believe it could be pulled off.
I’m not telling you which side of the fence seems greener to me. However, I noticed an odd phenom with the moon this morning and will take the camera out in the a.m. to see if I can capture it on film. Have you ever seen the moon “be” where it should not “be?”
There is that Be Be issue again… Damn Wallace Stevens straight to double hockey stick land.
And I don’t mean Nova Scotia.
HSF, Oh, God no. It isn’t my work. I’ve read it twice over the years and I’m sure the landing was a hoax based on what I read in MoonDoggie and various YT videos. I looked at the lander and the thing is like Dave said (the author) composed of AC ducts and duct tape. Look at the joints, they are wide open, very few rivets. Then consider the temperatures between sun and shade equalling hundreds of degrees -with no insulation????WTF-NO WAY DID THIS CONTRAPTION MAKE IT TO THE MOON AND BACK. Just impossible.
I’ve posted MD several times. Nobody reads it and downvotes it immediately. To me that’s pretty stupid. I guess having their beliefs shattered is more painful than knowing the truth. Whatever. I appreciate your response and insight on so many things you post. .
HSF,
Oh no, it’s not my work. I’ve read it twice over the years and between YT videos and other evidence I think it’s preposterous to believe we made it to the moon and back in a contraption of AC ducts and misc parts. I do believe it is important to have people know it was a hoax because it allows people to see all the other lies before us. You can’t make good decisions with bad info. I am amazed at the depth to which many cling to the belief we made it there and back without simple investigation. I’ve posted MD several times and it gets downvoted without being read. Wow, that’s some powerful self deception. I appreciate your response and perspective concerting the blue marble we all call home.
Brave? Insane! The Russians had the two unmanned test flight rule. Apollo 8 had two firsts, no test before going around the moon, and a reentry into the atmosphere with full travel speed. No nation is capable of that today, and a skip reentry is considered necessary today.
1000sends of things could have gone wrong, and the only astronauts died in Apollo 1, on Earth.
Would you have even known about A1 and 8? The more you dig, the more ridiculous it gets.
1000sends
thousands?
I’m German. You are Indian, my guess.
Me Tonto, you Jane.
Do yourself a favor and read some fur reels
CIA? This is a red flag. Also the garrulity.
I had to look that up and found this example: He used garrulity in a vain attempt to disguise the fact that he has very little worth saying.
And, do you know what? It still told me very little because I really don’t know what the state of being garrulous means unless it means to go on and on and on or something like that.
I would NEVER do that.
I looked it up too, I’m German. I just meant it is much text, more than necessary, without any highlighting. I read much of it, it’s the better arguments on the topic, not the usual staring at photos, debunked at other places. Maybe it’s the hangout to sell other things on that blog, I didn’t like the 911 stuff.
garrulous as opposed to introverted
The other reason we won’t go back is money. Saw a show on PBS the other night talking about the expense being around $30 billion. In today’s $, probably around $2.4 trillion. Do to our inherent inefficiencies no days, it probably run $10 trillion…
Due to our inherent inefficiencies nowadays, it probably would run up to $10 trillion…
People lie. EVERYONE has told a lie. Government’s lie more than most people…a lot more. So, therefore nothing from any source can ever be trusted? This is the logic we are using????
What does not lie? Rocks. There are fake moon rocks…at least one famous one. There are also real ones, studied by thousands of geologists all over the world. These CANNOT be faked, period. Rocks grow differently if exposed (over their multi-billion year lifespan) to atmosphere or not. You MUST (logically must) include these thousands of geologists in your conspiracy. Or you may say that you don’t believe in rocks, geology or atmosphere. I have no retort for that.
What else does not lie? Lasers. Lasers can be shot to reflectors on the moon and there response measured. Many, many hobbyists, as well as dozens of government agencies (not USA) have done so. You must include these scientists (professional and amateur) in you conspiracy. Or perhaps you do not believe in lasers or reflection of light or Special Relativity. For these I have no retort.
Governments lie always. There is perhaps one exception to prove this rule…when they can directly discredit or embarrass a rival government. DO NOT believe a single word that comes from the mouths of the US government EVER! This is great advice for everyday living……BUT believing the Soviet government who tracked not ONE but SEVEN Apollo missions to the moon? YOu would need to include these USSR government scientists in your conspiracy. Also, the Chinese government has taken picture of lunar lander vehicles quite recently. They of course, must also be added to your conspiracy.
Still, only a handful of people??????
Yes, many many lies have been told on this topic, by wide swaths of people. Why? I don’t know. But hard science and logic say we landed on the Moon, period.
My personal opinion…contingency planning. It best fits the evidence. NASA had competing ideas to get to space in the 60’s…vertical flight rockets and the contingency plan of fixed wing, horizontal takeoff aircraft (namely the X-15 flown by both my Uncle and Neil Armstrong, as well as about 10 other men…that’s it). I doubt they really believed the X-15 would be serious competition for the Mercury program but they spent a ton of money doing it anyway.
So, I think they filmed a fake…as a contingency plan, AND then they landed on the Moon six times…because the main plan worked. This is reason enough for 5 (admitted by me) decades of lies about the Moon.
DRUD,
Look closely at a photo of the lander. It is made from AC duct work. Look at the finish on the joints-they are wide open with hardly any rivets-open gaps in the dam thing. It’s just preposterous to think that thing made it to the moon and back. The temperature extremes between being in the sun and being in the shadows is a 500 degree swing. Int the sun their blood would boil in seconds and in shade they’d be flash frozen. C’mon man, read MOONDOGGIE. I posted it several times above. Please do yourself a favor and read it.
Don’t need “innovation” to get to the Moon. It was done w/ 50+ year old technology. Right?
Nope, the technology was brand new. I suspect you were made with 50+ year old technology.
How far we have fallen…
Back then a minimum wage job would get you an apartment and a car to get to work.
Blacks had vibrant communities.
Your premise is misleading, flat-earth boy. Yes he pulled a bait and switch to get you to read his article but he defends himself quite well. He said many people doubt the moon-landing story because they are used to movies and tv where every problem, every crisis, every heartbreak is resolved in 50 minutes or less. Proles imagine that it should be a piece of cake to drive their Tesla space-car to the moon by now on a stellar superhighway much like the world wide web. That’s the whole enchilada, Moon Disc Farmer. You are making Hollywood Rob seem like not so dumb of a moron but not because of your beliefs, I find them intriguing, I mean that you misread the article and presented it as the proof of the pudding that the moonshot is indefensible.
“He said many people doubt the moon-landing story because they are used to movies and tv where every problem, every crisis, every heartbreak is resolved in 50 minutes or less.”
He said 50 minutes, not 50 years.
If you like your Moon landing story you can keep your Moon landing story.
I still think the plate could be auctioned at a high value at TBP, especially if YOU sign it!
You have no idea how much joy that plate brought into our home when I opened that box. I mean real gut busting laughter (at my expense, of course). Absolutely top tier present. I found the certificate of authenticity especially ironic considering the subject matter.
When I “jewed” the flea market lady from 5 dollars down to 2 dollars, I had not even opened the container to discover there really WAS a certificate of authenticity. I’d hoped it was some weird meaningful number for you, since that would have been the ultimate in Outer Limits irony.
I found it most ironic that the piece appears to be a 30th anniversary of JFK’s death, repackaged as lunatic landing paraphernalia! I hoped it would bring a lots of laughs in a crowd of laugh lovers!
Apple chips?
Thanks! I told the story before about the time my dad attended a science conference at his favorite corner bar. The science aficionados concluded, as he relayed to me, that the flag should be floating above the surface of the moon. I don’t know if this considered conclusion would be due to the rocket on takeoff or simply because there is no gravity – they forgot it has 1/6 earth’s gravity. The old man was quite engaged with scientific theory and physics that night and I believe he went to sleep full of dreams of faked moon landings.
I actually discussed the moon landing hoax theories with some of my friends from longagoandfaraway whilst in Oklahoma and beyond.
I was rather surprised at how closed minded some of them were, especially some who are aware of some of the shenanigans we may or may not have been involved in and no one has access to those records anyway. Why WOULDN’T we have faked it, if we could have done so? Those of us who were in the espionage sort of business (AWACS was sorta in that line at least during the Cold War) were always looking for a MiG hiding behind a wall of clouds over the North Sea. Once in a while one was really there.
So, even after I reminded my old friends that a newly sodded field over what I know was at one time a very sophisticated command center on base, well that to me suggests the command center is still there under the newly expanded golf course practice range, which suggests a level of subterfuge beyond what is honest.
Why would they hide protected bunkers where command people were intended to last out a battle or two?
Or, perhaps it was bulldozed as well. It is, of course, only monopoly money.
Just like all that wasted on the Apollo missions, moon landing or not.
Russia and China kept a close eye on us and if we faked it they would have ripped us a new one.
I wonder how many satellites we actually put into orbit around this planet in the Spy versus Spy games?
I suppose that you are aware that radar works through clouds. Anyone who actually ever set foot on an AWAC plane would know that. That along with the total lack of windows to look out of.
Are you really that dense?
https://airman.dodlive.mil/2018/01/08/e-3-sentry-awacs/
This image is NOT classified because the radar technician (of which I once WERE one) is sitting at the hidden console and screen behind Favian, whom I may or may not have met.
https://vimeo.com/245945865
I have 2500 hours. My husband has more than 5000 hours. There are windows over the wings and in the doors. And, of course, in the flight deck.
People like HR will not be satisfied until you have handed him the pin number to your bank account. It’s an extreme form of negging.
I believe we went to the moon.
I believe the destination took second stage to the journey.
I believe the destination isn
t worth going back to unless we need a moon base in which to kill the enemy from and I believe that is why were even entertaining the idea. ( plus it makes an awful nice diversion to our indebtedness and thrusts a near forgotten NASA back into the limelight ). Hocus PocusSure makes for some quality entertainment either way
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9530143/filmmaker-punched-buzz-aldrin-undeniable-proof-moon-landings-faked/
No one has or ever will land on the moon. That is all.
Fo’ shizzle.
I know dat’s right schnizzle. 🙂
Is this anything like Schmiel or Schmozzle?
Russia and China kept a close eye on us and if we faked it they would have ripped us a new one.
NO, Anon…they have kept it as an ace up the sleeve for blackmail. Russia has been getting very close to playing that card lately.
I’ve posted this several times before. If you can read and assimilate simple concepts you will understand we NEVER WENT TO THE MOON.
Give it a rest, Stevie. We live with cognitive dissonance everyday. It’s not like we are totally stupid as Hollywood makes us out to be. Nope, we are now totally adept at holding two opposed ideas in mind while still being able to function. The things we can’t prove, we call conspiracy. The things we don’t want to disprove, we call faith. You must never confuse the two, that way lies madness.
Well ec, I don’t really think that you can speak for anybody else being as you are exactly as stupid as I make you out to be.
Russia and China kept a close eye on us and if we faked it they would have ripped us a new one.
What difference does it make?There were no women or persons of color who were crew members so that makes it illegitimate anyway.
If a woman or a minority had been on the moon some scientifical research could have been performed,such as determining how much a rag weighs in space or how quickly one can chug a Colt 45.
I can’t wait for a new POTUS who is a decent human being.
I suggest you do not hold your breath.