Sexbots, Robots, Neural Networks, Weird Oriental Games, and the Spores of Skynet

Guest Post by Fred Reed

Today we will have Profound Thought. Actually it’s the only kind we ever have in this corner of the internet. Thunderous insight. Volcanic perceptiveness. That sort of thing.

Anyway, some slightly addled questions about robots, and sexbots and their relations with people and how smart they are or aren’t. For example, can you love a robot? I mean with actual affection, such as one might have for a good dog? Or–larger question–how much emotional involvement is possible with machines, and how much is a good idea?

Yeah, I know, this sounds silly. But we really are moving toward a world in which the inanimate and the human aren’t all that distinct. Bear with me.

 

Little girls seem genuinely attached to their dolls, and a boy of fifteen can become romantically involved with anything concave that can’t run faster than he can. But with the advent of sex robots and increasingly human software–Siri, for example–how far can this go?

I have read of bordellos staffed by silicone doxies that are said to attract a considerable clientele. To me an air mattress has more sex appeal, but maybe I am not up with the times. Every few weeks a story appears saying that poke-bots have become more realistic. Some try to be conversational. Join the Rubber Maid Lonely Hearts Club.

There are even male sexots. These must be for homosexuals. Women have better sense. I think.

So, OK, they look like women, but when they talk they sound braindead. You could never mistake one for a living, breathing gal. Except these days maybe you can.

Thanks to movies, we expect robots to sound like robots, at least a little bit. But they don’t have to. Siri sounds entirely human. She even has a sense of humor.

Then, one might wonder, how intelligent might these plastic love interests be? In a sexbot this might not be the essential question, but we will consider it anyway.

Now, Turing. (This is actually going somewhere. patience.) Alan Turing was an early and talented computer wonk who famously devised the “Turing Test” to determine whether a computer was genuinely intelligent. Said Turing approximately, put the computer in one room and a human in another and connect them with a telephone. The human chats with the computer: “Hey, homey, how ‘bout them Redskins?” “Whatcha doing Saturday, catch a couple of brewskis?” And so on. If the human thinks he is talking to another human, then the thing is intelligent. Can today’s machines pass for human?

It depends on the human the computer is supposed to be and how exhaustive the interrogation. I will bet that a five-year-old could today be done well enough in software that if he, or she, or it answered your telephone call, you would not suspect. A six-year-old? Seven?

”Chatbots” now exist that can talk intelligently about narrow subjects, such as how to replace your credit card.

So put a Siri receiver in a doll and, if it were programmed to talk like a small kid, I bet a three-year-old girl would chat with her for hours, becoming unable to distinguish emotionally between the doll and a human. Why don’t I think this is a good idea? It’s kind of eerie.

Now we come to artificial intelligence, which recently has gotten screwy. AI now uses neural networks that imitate the human brain. I read about them decades ago in a book by a girl I knew who worked for Hecht-Nielsen Neurocomputers. I didn’t think neural nets would ever amount to much. This showed that I wasn’t the most radioactive isotope in the periodic table, because they are now a Big Deal.

See, with normal programming you start with, say, A equals pi-r-squared, and then you get lots of radii and calculate areas. In AI, you start with a million areas and calculate the formula. It’s like starting with answers to get the question.

But if you have the answers, why do you need the questions? Maybe they got the idea from Jeopardy. Anyway, I think it is wrongheaded, bass-ackward, and probably against God. But it works.

If you like technoglop, this is neat stuff. Lots of partial derivatives and learning rates and sinusoidal functions and stochastic gradient descent to avoid local minima of error surfaces, which are like energy wells in physics but instead are information wells, which is weird. With this stuff and a little practice, you could bore whole cocktail parties into mass suicide, like Jim Jones. Probably a good idea.

Anyway, this kind of AI learns the way babies do. Tell the baby a million things in spoken English. It doesn’t know what the question is, but eventually notices that if it says one thing, mommy does this, and if it says another thing, mommy does that. This equips it to become a minor tyrant.

The point I was creeping up on, and hoping to take unawares in a savage pounce: Technology is producing, in bits and pieces, more and more of things we thought only humans could do.

It gets worse. I suppose that by now we all know that IBM’s computer Deep Blue beat the world chess champion and its later machine, Watson, beat the national Jeopardy champion. But to salve our pride, we humans can say that these boxes didn’t really, exactly beat humans. the programmers of Deep Blue, see, put the tactics and strategy of chess in, and Deep Blue only did what people figured out long ago. We just automated ourselves.

But here is something spooky. There is an Oriental board game called Go, universally regarded as harder than chess. (The foregoing sentence contains everything I know about it.)

The folks at Deep Mind/Google wrote an AI program called AlphaGo Zero that started with only the rules of Go. No tactics, openings, strategy. Nothing. It played with itself (See? Getting more human all the time.), taking both sides, for thousands and thousands of games. Hour after hour. Day after day. For forty days. On a wicked fast computer. It is a phenomenally inefficient way to learn Go. Or anything. But it ended by beating the world Go champion.

Sez me, this is something new under the sun, a machine that all by itself learned to do something exceedingly difficult with no help from us.

We are not, it seems, alone.

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43 Comments
gman
gman
January 27, 2020 1:55 pm

“can you love a robot?”

well, given what they think with, most guys certainly could. could the ladies, no.

I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
  gman
January 27, 2020 2:17 pm

I beg to differ, one episode of sex and the city was all about one woman’s love affair with a sort of robot; a rabbit.

We males don’t think with our dick, ya moron. We merely consult with it, particularly in hairy situations.

gman
gman
  I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
January 27, 2020 2:22 pm

“We males don’t think with our”

we can allow the readers to decide for themselves.

credit
credit
  gman
January 27, 2020 4:20 pm

“can you love a robot?” – yes, it’s called a FETISH…

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
January 27, 2020 8:02 pm

In today’s world, there are not a lot of “hairy situations” around.

As the cookie crumbles (EC)
As the cookie crumbles (EC)
  TN Patriot
January 27, 2020 9:52 pm

That was a not too subtle reference to poon. Perhaps your joke is over my head?

BL
BL
  As the cookie crumbles (EC)
January 27, 2020 10:09 pm

cookie- Perhaps TN refers to the new ritual of shaved beaver which would limit the “hairy situations” somewhat. Just a guess…..

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  BL
January 28, 2020 9:46 am

Nailed it.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  As the cookie crumbles (EC)
January 28, 2020 9:47 am

Bea understands. For us old guys there are plenty of hairy situations, but the younger crowd prefers smooth situations.

As the cookie turns (EC)
As the cookie turns (EC)
  TN Patriot
January 28, 2020 9:58 am

I got scolded on account of you fags. Since I have been avoiding thinking or talking about Coronavirus, I shared your joke with the old lady and she said is that all we talk about on this blog? Sex, sex, sex, young girls, sex….

She doesn’t understand, without that I might as well just go ahead and get old.

I hope she doesn’t insist I get some new friends, truck driving monks maybe.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  As the cookie turns (EC)
January 28, 2020 10:08 am

BB is a truck driver. Does he count?

I, too, am avoiding the doom porn of coronavirus and am tiring of impeachment ver 3.0. It may be time for a couple of good books and less interweb.

Voting for Trump cured my jock itch (EC)
Voting for Trump cured my jock itch (EC)
  TN Patriot
January 28, 2020 9:25 pm

Stucky was always good for a few fluff articles, stuff that was interesting, educational and not concerned with doom. Now, we seem to have all doom all the time.

gman
gman
January 27, 2020 1:58 pm

“can you love a robot?”

well …

for a lot of guys, “love” means “domination”. for those guys dominating a machine would mean nothing to them, so for them, no.

now for the domineering computer geeks, if they can reprogram the bot at their whim, those guys probably would “love” their bot.

I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
  gman
January 27, 2020 2:25 pm

As told to Maggie: Sex is domination and the boot on the face is the ultimate domination. (I propose that all relationships are built on domination). Even in gay or lesbian relationships, there is one taking the dominant role. If morons manage to eliminate domination in relationships, they will accelerate marriage by about 40 years and have a situation like the one illustrated in a bizarro cartoon, the tunnel of boredom where the old man asks his wife if she wants to take that boat ride and she says she doesn’t know, does he want to ride it?

gman
gman
  I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
January 27, 2020 2:27 pm

“(I propose that all relationships are built on domination)”

sounds like projection.

M G
M G
  I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
January 27, 2020 2:39 pm

It was one rape victim’s viewpoint.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
January 27, 2020 2:58 pm

all relationships are about power, domination is but one only one type of relationship.

I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
  Anonymous
January 27, 2020 4:44 pm

sounds like projection.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505
  gman
January 27, 2020 5:20 pm

I like mine warm, cuddly and female. Not into iron maidens.

I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
  oldtimer505
January 27, 2020 5:31 pm

C’mon, oldtimer, where is your sense of adventure? You could have said you couldn’t wait until sexrobots got a sort of free-will and the ability to say no, just like real women. Then you could go to the bar and bitch about the old battle-bot.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505
  I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
January 27, 2020 5:51 pm

Sorry “I shed a tear for Kobe”. I been there and done that but, they were still warm, cuddly and female. Now I have a keeper and know better. No more battle axes for me. Thanks I’ll pass.

Tortilla Flat Earth (EC)
Tortilla Flat Earth (EC)
  oldtimer505
January 28, 2020 10:05 am

They aren’t iron maidens, mr. roboto. They are sweet young things with supple silicone flesh. They don’t speak or demand expensive trinkets. Sure, they don’t do housework but that’s a good excuse to have your mom over once in a while.

Two if by sea, Three if from within thee
Two if by sea, Three if from within thee
January 27, 2020 2:29 pm

I would rather take my chances with a Superbike.

I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
January 27, 2020 2:33 pm

I thought this was going to be an Uncola article. Fred teases us with unmentionable sex (you wouldn’t want your mom to find out) and ends with a robot machine that can play chess like it was Parcheesi.

He ends with a suggestion that machines are now able to acquire a soul; an intelligence of its own design.

gman
gman
  I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
January 27, 2020 2:46 pm

“He ends with a suggestion that machines are now able to acquire a soul”

that’s animism.

if you believe in materialism then there is no distinction between body and soul, and if you believe body and soul are separate then the body obviously is just a bio-chemical machine to which a soul is attached, so in either theory there’s no objective reason why a raw machine can’t be/have a soul.

BL
BL
  I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
January 27, 2020 2:56 pm

EC- Agree…..I want my time back on this one. Maybe they can find a bot to replace Fred but still have some respect for him as he thinks living breathing human females are a better choice than bots. Dutchman would take the bot.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
January 27, 2020 3:00 pm

Ever since this fred reed wrote an article claiming that the 911 narrative from .gov is the only acceptable theory, he lost me as a reader.

I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
  Anonymous
January 27, 2020 3:12 pm

Well, that’s the last time I read an anonymous comment. Ya lost me, ya dogmatic mutt.

I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
  BL
January 27, 2020 3:22 pm

Did you see my poor homage to fems in the FF article?

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
January 27, 2020 3:10 pm

Computers are- correct me if I am mistaken- computational devices. The process data, especially mathematical data, at a rate that no human being could ever hope to compute. Winning at a game that is, in it’s very simplest form, nothing but a series of choices based upon statistical probabilities, does not equate to intelligence anymore than an excavator digging greater amounts faster than a man equates to superiority. Humans can do a myriad of things computers cannot, all completely integrated in a single organism.

I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 27, 2020 4:46 pm

Some people are like that, you feed them garbage and they choose Trump. No evidence of any real thought there.

I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
  I shed a tear for Kobe (EC)
January 27, 2020 5:32 pm

Aww, 2 robotoids got their feelings hurt.

youknowwhoIam
youknowwhoIam
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 27, 2020 7:26 pm

“a series of choices based upon statistical probabilities,..” it doesn’t necessarily get even as complicated as that. It simply builds a database of all the possible combinations of moves (or choices) and the resulting outcome.

BB
BB
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 27, 2020 9:39 pm

Amen Hardfarmer !

Paulita Senorita!
Paulita Senorita!
  BB
January 28, 2020 10:19 am

hardfarmers are the best kind, BB!

sorry we never got to meet and greet and i promised to not bug you but that one deserves a shoutout

Tortilla Flat Earth (EC)
Tortilla Flat Earth (EC)
  Paulita Senorita!
January 28, 2020 10:27 am

What about fat little Mexicans, they deserve love too, no? Asking for a friend.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
January 27, 2020 5:42 pm

An attractive realistic robot woman who doesn’t go yammering on and doesn’t nag you to do stupid pointless things like re-arrange the furniture – yeah, who would ever want that?

flash
flash
January 27, 2020 6:34 pm

“Women have better sense. I think.”

Freddy never heard of a dildo. I think.

overthecliff
overthecliff
January 27, 2020 9:17 pm

Can you love a robot? How do I love thee? Let me count the ways. ONE!

As the cookie crumbles (EC)
As the cookie crumbles (EC)
January 27, 2020 10:05 pm

Why didn’t Adam get a man companion or a sex robot, could it be something to do with having kids?

Lonely days, lonely nights.
Where would I be without my robot?
Lonely days, lonely nights.
Where would I be without my robot?

James the Deplorable Wanderer
James the Deplorable Wanderer
January 28, 2020 12:50 am

The Japanese are way ahead of you, Fred, they’ve been considering whether a human could love a robot for years.

https://www.animefreak.tv/watch/beatless

aka.attrition
aka.attrition
January 28, 2020 5:32 am

1) Learning the game Go: A computer which can do this will soon (within years) learn many skills like coding software, running factories, driving cars, talking to people (like a person), giving advice, consulting, be creative, etc. The world will change more than we can imagine.

2) Can you love a robot (and the Turing test)? Dont think of the dumb rubber doll lying on a bed. Imagine a robot that looks and behaves like a human so much so that you cannot tell the difference in a face to face encounter (this will happen within years, maybe 10, at most 20, and mainstream within 50). What would that mean for our social interactions?

If you cannot tell humans apart from robots, could you love one? To see the impact of this imagine you find out somehow that your spouse/partner of many years is a robot. How would that make you feel, how would your relationship change? For years you loved this “person”, spoke with them, were intimate with them, you confided in them, they confided in you, you brought up children together, went on holiday together, etc. What would it mean to find this out? What if you could only find out by cutting them open to see either human or machine? Now imagine a robot that is that realistic …

This level of robot is coming and people are going to love them because they will never hurt them, crap on them, be perfect for them in every way. They will be our social friends, our confidants, our lovers… And you will not be able to tell robots apart from humans (unless the robot manufacturers purposefully reveal that). What then what will it mean to be human and how will we treat those we meet and interact with if we can’t tell them apart?

Sexbots are a warning flag, they are the start of a societal change which most of us 50+ old are not going to be able to relate to but the next generation will. And the generation thereafter, our children’s children, will live in a world where perfectly human like robots, in appearance and behaviour, will be as common as toasters.