To the preseasonal — you who saw today’s situation coming from a long ways off

Guest Post by Steve N.

The Burning Platform, led by the inestimable Admin, supported by a handful of very independent and thoughtful contributors, and a legion of hopeful readers, is an admirable collection of what the authors of The Fourth Turning called the “preseasonal”, those who have learned lessons from the past and can see in advance signs of what the future holds.

William Strauss and Neil Howe, wrote their first book, Generations: The History of America’s Future, 1584 to 2069 in 1991, and showed us that they had stumbled across a repetitive cycle in American history. In 1997, they published The Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy — What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America’s Next Rendezvous with Destiny” where they further described the cycle, its four seasons or “turnings” nature, its approximate length of 80 years and a whole lot to think about, especially their predictions for the future based on the lessons from the past. It’s a book that Mark Twain would have likely enjoyed a good deal; he who quipped, “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes.”

Jim Quinn has studied and pondered the authors’ books and written more about them than any other person (says Google search). He is frequently criticized for this emphasis, and tries to mix in supporting cast, but the power of Strauss-Howe generational theory always wins the day, as it should in my mind. If you haven’t studied it, I invite you to get T4T and read it slowly and carefully, especially since we seem to be rapidly approaching the darkest and coldest days of the winter season, the Climax of the Crisis they call it.

Being “preseasonal” — seeing ‘it’ coming (and it actually coming) — is a good thing per the authors:

“Preseasonality is as functional as postseasonality is dysfunctional. We admire preseasonal purpose when we see it in people. Indeed, America’s best-remembered presidents displayed this in deed or oratory before they were elected. The Crisis-era steadfastness of Washington and Eisenhower foreshadowed the coming Highs, making both generals enormously popular choices for presiding over those eras. (p. 308)”

I think that for many of us, the person of our time that comes to mind when we think of the virtue of “preseasonal purpose” is Ron Paul and his bids to be our president. Hopefully, there will be some leaders soon who show us their sense of the briskness of this season yet are steadfast in hope for balmier days. We’ll need them for our elections later this decade.

I’ve read and continue reading a lot of books, with a keen interest in the work of authors and researchers that have tried to be prescient about the times we are in, but none compare to T4T. There is literally a grandma’s feather bed full of fluff out there (and I’m just talking the non-fiction, historical, political tomes), so I can’t help but hold out a T4T copy to family, friends and acquaintances and channel Vince Lombardi’s “this is a football” fundamental, trying to impress upon them how valuable the book could be in helping them be at peace and value in a tumultuous world. So I put myself up for criticism too; no regrets in the decade I’ve been doing it.

As I read the pages of T4T, I see their deep thinking about the past and its application to our future, and I sense Strauss and Howe’s yearning to help Americans of the late Unraveling when their book first reached bookshelves, their exertions to help us prepare for our “rendezvous with destiny”. They wrote:

“We cannot stop the seasons of history, but we can prepare for them. Right now, in 1997, we have eight, ten, perhaps a dozen more years to get ready. Then events will begin to take choices out of our hands. Yes, winter is coming, but our path through that winter is up to us. (p. 7)”

Preseasonal was the book in 1997, even trying to front run that problem with a brave subtitle of “An American Prophecy”, but it pretty much got only a yawn from the book business. Had the meme had existed back in the late ’90s, “OK, boomer” could have been the critics’ perfect spurn to the writers.

In addition to words to the wise post 1997, Strauss and Howe give example after example of how people acted and talked during all four turnings or seasons in past cycles. They, subjectively of course, but with the skill of learned students of history that they are, connect dots and reveal patterns that seem balanced and true. Some examples:

T4T points out this about political approaches: “Nearly every static ideology is likely to advance … when what it offers is preseasonal and useful and retreat … when what it offers is postseasonal and harmful.”

“… public-sector liberalism emerged in the last Crisis, rose in the High, crested in the Awakening, and is falling out of favor in the Unraveling.” (imputing that it is emerging in our Crisis)

“Interest-group pluralism and free-market libertarianism follow yet a different pattern. Since both of these -isms exalt rights over duties, they crested in the last Unraveling (1920s), fell out of favor in the last Crisis (1930s) [and during our current Crisis], reemerged in the High (1950s), rose in the Awakening (1970s), and are cresting again in the current Unraveling (1990s). (p. 310)”

Since “The Long Emergency”, as James Howard Kunstler calls it, the Crisis that began early this century, Strauss and Howe posited that our interpersonal behaviors would go from ignored to rediscovered and that our social priorities, in a media and political sense, would change from maximum individualism to rising community. And naturally, our families and governments would go from weak to strengthening. The Crisis, and much more so as the Climax endgame approaches, brings a big shift — from emphasis on the rights of the individual to the duties the individual has to the group.

But among the preseasonal, those who saw this storm brewing for decades, we hear many predicting that the coronavirus pandemic is going to be the end of central control, the end of the so called new world order, the demise of central banking, etc. It seems that those who are not happy with the status quo and want to go back to some time in the past, but that happening is about as likely as the ball falling into their number on the roulette wheel. History doesn’t seem to support that turmoil begets more choices and more freedom. The record is the opposite; in dark days, people even seek out “the choice not to be burdened by choice. (p. 276)”

“Expect a loss of personal privacy. Fourth Turnings can be dark times for the free spirit: Just as one kind of official may have new authority to do something for you, another kind—some hastily deputized magistrate—may have new authority to do something to you. (p. 312)”

So what flavor of group-think will this Crisis catalyze into? The pandemic and panic has brought our political leaders and media ever more into our lives. T4T has this to say about our media during crises: “The less self-control the media or public exercises now, the more likely it becomes that some outside authority will impose a despotic control tomorrow. (p. 312)” The media editor’s creed of “if it bleeds, it leads” could very well lead to a lot more damage, it seems.

Jim Quinn gave us a great post three weeks back, NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF, writing about two big grabs for control of our lives, by our governments during the Great Depression and now at the final arrival of what could be the worst of them all. In these few weeks, the onslaught of media influence has been so powerful that a great deal of our neighbors have fallen off the emotional ledge, tripped over the little lip that separates ration from madness. They have fallen into the cauldron of chaos where all bad beliefs and believers end up. The masses have succumbed to the latest all-in media effort to win control over the minds of millions, no billions. Our media seeks to create fear via not completely genuine news, revisionist history (think Nineteen Eighty-Four Ministry of Truth rewrites in Newspeak), even touting made-up principles but offering no historical proof of concept.

Here’s a short list of some of the things my deep state government and the hip-pocket mainstream media have told me that I should be afraid of, very afraid:

  • Weapons of mass destruction everywhere (Says the black pot.)
  • Climate change cataclysm (But the data goes hot and cold on you, doesn’t it?)
  • “Traitors” like Julian Assange, Edward Snowden and Bradley/Chelsea Manning (Aren’t they just leakers of ugly truths?)
  • Russian government interference in US government elections (Isn’t the accuser the CIA? Hah! That’s a good one!)
  • Now Russian anything (Even the girls?)
  • The 2016 pre-election dossier on Trump (Hey FBI, you’ve fallen and hurt yourself badly so please get up and honor your oath of office!)
  • Now Trump anything (Click goes the off button.)
  • Tariffs are bad and will ruin everything (Bad for the goose but not the gander?)
  • We will save you all from (insert threat), but we will have to destroy your livelihood and quality of life (Say the phantom menaces, the siths in public servant’s cloaks)
  • But, if nothing else, we’ve got to stop ‘triggering’ others with our opinions (Should I stop writing now?)

It seems that the most of the fearmongering that dominates the media and politics have turned out to be so weak in factual support that they have made Chicken Little look to be of sound mind and have a pretty good story to tell. And where is the coverage of the real threats like these:

  • How the US has treated and continues to treat so many countries so badly that our enemies now far outnumber our friends
  • How corrupt our money systems are
  • How higher education has lost its moorings and foundation education isn’t doing so hot, either.
  • How poorly we treat our fallen people: the high rates of incarceration, the slow and uncaring “justice” system.
  • And what in the hell happened to our Constitution and the rule of law?

So media believers everywhere, just you keep up the fake fearfulness and avoid joining in solving our real and pressing problems and coming out of this mess as best we all can; Working on fixing the ugly realities we face would just scare all that fake fright right out of you.

And what about our two major political parties? Strauss and Howe, 23 years ago, said this:

“Suppose both parties continue down their linear paths through what remains of the Unraveling [1998 to 2005ish]. If so, Democrats will remain usefully linked with civic authority, but in a paradigm so oriented around a harvest mentality that it precludes any across-the-board sacrifice for a significant public purpose. Picture them in charge when the Crisis catalyzes and an urgent need arises to shatter old consumption promises and ask voters to give up something. They would seem to be exactly the wrong party to command an imperiled citizenry. (p. 311)” Yet the popularity of Bernie and AOC rises among Democrats.

“Alternatively, suppose Republicans keep to course, still usefully linked with sacrifice but in a paradigm so beset with individualism as to preclude effective civic mobilization for any purpose. Picture Republicans in charge when a sudden Crisis prompts an urgent need for rejuvenated public authority to achieve a new national purpose. If this happens, they would seem to be exactly the wrong party to command a strengthening government. (p. 312)”

I see shades of this Republicans not adapting problem in Trump’s actions during the rise of this panic; he first emphasized personal responsibility and was reluctant to increase the police state, much to the dismay of the deep-staters and his political handlers.

“Come the Fourth Turning, America will need both personal sacrifice and public authority. The saeculum will favor whichever party moves more quickly and persuasively toward a paradigm that accommodates both. Both parties should lend seasonality to their thinking: Democrats a concept of civic duty that limits the harvest, Republicans a concept of civic authority that limits the scattering. If they do not, the opportunity will arise for a third party to fill the void—after which one or both of today’s two dominant parties could go the way of the Whigs. (p. 312)” We can only hope for a better choice.

And interfering with the natural reaction to dark times — to change, to sacrifice, to band together — is the “deficits don’t matter” pure garbage pact of the “money from nothing” central banks everywhere.

Individually, we need to understand the lessons of the past so that we can work together . T4T offers:
“If civic virtue is so frequently lost, it must be just as frequently regained. This is what happens in a Fourth Turning. While a Crisis mood renders societies newly desperate, it also renders them newly capable, which is why a saecular winter is to be welcomed as much as feared. As today’s Americans look ahead, the challenge dis to marshal the coming season’s new public energies to achieve positive, not destructive ends. The better we ready ourselves collectively, the more likely we will be not just to survive the Crisis but to apply its fury for good and humane purposes. (p. 312)”

And what about morals of behavior and cultural norms? What from the past will be valued and what will be discarded? T4T offers:
“America’s culture warriors need not worry whether values will return to public life. They always do in a Fourth Turning—with a vengeance. Speeches will become public sermons; schools, civic churches; and art, motivational propaganda. The open questions are which values will reign and whether America’s cultural consensus will be broad and imaginative enough to avoid a destructive polarization as the nation fights for its survival. People on all sides of the Culture Wars should cultivate pragmatic alliances with niches possessing competing visions. Americans of all generations should work to elevate moral and cultural standards. What we do now may not close down many Unraveling-era carnivals, but will serve two critical longer-term purposes: to help protect the world of childhood and to help resacralize public institutions and reinfuse them with a much-needed sense of public purpose. (p. 313)”

But they offer this curt warning: “A decadent or nihilistic culture is a seedbed for fascism. (p. 313)” I hope we have not descended too far as a society to have the character to rise up to the challenges of the Crisis Climax.

I see the descent into Crisis as being an especially hard pill to swallow for the Prophet archetype in T4T terminology— the Boomer generation who came of age in the summer season of the cycle, the Awakening, and who had the blessing and curse of seeing the best of times in their formative first decades and the comparative worst of times since. They had impressed lightly upon them the great struggles their grandparents and parents faced during the prior winter/Crisis — the Great Depression and World War II. Plus, they see their children and grandchildren at the head of the family pack, hurtling headlong towards the next ekpyrosis. They want to protect and warn about the dangers they see, but much of their previous actions and words has sullied elder respect: “Wincing at their own coming-of-age behavior, Boomers have become what the New York Times has dubbed a ‘Do As I Say, Not As I Did’ generation of parents. (p. 246)”

Strauss and Howe tell us quite plainly, both with hope and trepidation, what the future will be:
“By the 2020s, America could become a society that is good, by today’s standards, and also one that works. Thus might the next Fourth Turning end in apocalypse—or glory. The nation could be ruined, its democracy destroyed, and millions of people scattered or killed. Or America could enter a new golden age, triumphantly applying shared values to improve the human condition. The rhythms of history do not reveal the outcome of the coming Crisis; all they suggest is the timing and dimension.”

“History’s howling storms can bring out the worst and best in a society. The next Fourth Turning could literally destroy us as a nation and people, leaving us cursed in the histories of those who endure and remember. Alternatively, it could ennoble our lives, elevate us as a community, and inspire acts of consummate heroism—deeds that will grow into mythlike legends recited by our heirs far into the future.

“How can we offer this prophecy with such confidence? Because it’s all happened before.

“Many times. (p. 7)”

-----------------------------------------------------
It is my sincere desire to provide readers of this site with the best unbiased information available, and a forum where it can be discussed openly, as our Founders intended. But it is not easy nor inexpensive to do so, especially when those who wish to prevent us from making the truth known, attack us without mercy on all fronts on a daily basis. So each time you visit the site, I would ask that you consider the value that you receive and have received from The Burning Platform and the community of which you are a vital part. I can't do it all alone, and I need your help and support to keep it alive. Please consider contributing an amount commensurate to the value that you receive from this site and community, or even by becoming a sustaining supporter through periodic contributions. [Burning Platform LLC - PO Box 1520 Kulpsville, PA 19443] or Paypal

-----------------------------------------------------
To donate via Stripe, click here.
-----------------------------------------------------
Use promo code ILMF2, and save up to 66% on all MyPillow purchases. (The Burning Platform benefits when you use this promo code.)
Click to visit the TBP Store for Great TBP Merchandise
Subscribe
Notify of
guest
68 Comments
gman
gman
April 5, 2020 3:04 pm

“you who saw today’s situation coming”

oh nonsense, nobody saw THIS coming. y’all were talking about and planning on collapse, after which y’all were going to deservedly stride about on the earth like gods. not this. ferfal was the only one that insisted anything like this was coming.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  gman
April 5, 2020 3:55 pm

Are you going through this alone?

Constantly lashing out at people who not only mean you no harm, but welcome you is self-defeating.

If you want someone to talk to give me a call but don’t just stand there badmouthing everyone because they weren’t precisely accurate about the details of T4T.

gman
gman
  hardscrabble farmer
April 5, 2020 4:24 pm

pointing out facts is not badmouthing or lashing out.

Apple
Apple
  gman
April 5, 2020 6:08 pm

How prescient would you like us to have been?
Got everything but the exact nature of the catalyst correct. Just like the book. Timing and all. The thing is, it aint over yet. Plenty of time to tick off a few more boxes and be even more correct.

gman
gman
  Apple
April 5, 2020 6:29 pm

pre-science really isn’t the issue – I’ve been seeing people prepping for the immanent end of the world since the 1960’s. it’s the “we’re so smart and everyone else is so stupid!” attitude on display, constant display, in all their “predictions” – which aren’t predictions nearly as much as wishes, wishes for a time when they are finally vindicated as they deserve and they get to put everyone else in their place as they deserve. and so they miss what is really happening, what is really going on, how to respond to it accurately, they just say “this is it! this is what we’ve been waiting for!” and they rush forward. and it won’t be what they want.

(EC)
(EC)
  hardscrabble farmer
April 5, 2020 6:54 pm

Accompany thyself, gman.

gman
gman
April 5, 2020 3:07 pm

“the inestimable Admin, supported by a handful of very independent and thoughtful contributors, and a legion of hopeful readers, is an admirable collection”

sounds like an academy awards intro.

Two if by sea. Three if from community.
Two if by sea. Three if from community.
  gman
April 5, 2020 3:34 pm

Cue Elaine Benes
Blah blah blah

(EC)
(EC)
  gman
April 5, 2020 4:19 pm

Didn’t you read HF’s article? He said the MC is the one who sets the tone and makes the show a success. You just like to piss on parades.

gman
gman
  (EC)
April 5, 2020 5:04 pm

ok, sounds like a parade.

Pequiste
Pequiste
  gman
April 6, 2020 12:51 am

NOooo. This is and will be will be the sound of the coming parade:

gman
gman
April 5, 2020 3:20 pm

“So what flavor of group-think will this Crisis catalyze into?

if they can maintain trade and food production, then bolshevism. if not then there won’t be much group left to think.

“The less self-control the media or public exercises now, the more likely it becomes that some outside authority will impose a despotic control tomorrow.”

then bolshevism.

gman
gman
April 5, 2020 3:24 pm

“the little lip that separates ration from madness”

much of rationality is based on rations, yes.

gman
gman
April 5, 2020 3:29 pm

“so that we can work together”

but many on the right simply will not cohere. they view themselves as gloriously independent and anything outside of themselves as “statist” i.e. immoral wrong false etc. they’ll work for money, so long as the risk to themselves is minimal, but if there’s any risk they’ll try to push someone else forward to do that work for them and move in afterwards to take advantage of any success.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  gman
April 5, 2020 3:58 pm

But that’s simply not true, not even close. Who do you think makes up the vast majority of the military, especially the elite units? Leftists? Yes, those on the right tend to individualism, but they also know how to coalesce when push comes to shove.

Come on, stop being such a defeatist, it doesn’t suit the times.

gman
gman
  hardscrabble farmer
April 5, 2020 4:19 pm

“But that’s simply not true”

going by the blog population it oh so most certainly is.

“Who do you think makes up the vast majority of the military, especially the elite units?”

if you mean the combat units, they’re made up of those who view themselves as participating citizens – and those are the sorts of people most deprecated in blogs such as this (“conformists”, “criminals”, “statists”, etc) precisely because they are willing to cohere around something larger than themselves, while the proud and glorious and righteous individualists determinedly stand above all that. (the support units are another matter altogether, increasingly populated as they are with non- anti- and post-americans).

“those on the right tend to individualism, but they also know how to coalesce”

actual rightists sure, but not many of those on the blogs. they are the most important thing in their entire moral universe, by definition, so they won’t join themselves to or risk themselves for anything at all, on principle – especially not for other people or a shared idea or a state of people who share that idea.

“defeatist”

realist.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  gman
April 5, 2020 4:44 pm

Gman.
I think you’re confusing this blog or forum as an organization or group. There are no required thought tests here. If someone fits one of your descriptions it doesn’t require the rest of us to be that way. Of course being more specific about who you are referring to can get expensive so I understand the broad brush approach.

gman
gman
  Fleabaggs
April 5, 2020 5:01 pm

“I think you’re confusing this blog or forum as an organization or group.”

you think I’m confusing “this blog” for an organization or group?

I’m speaking of the majority – and of these sorts of blogs, not just here. “we’re smart and everyone else is stupid!” is just a given.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  gman
April 5, 2020 6:51 pm

Gman.
I was trying a new “Soft” approach. So much for that.
You should consider suing your Psychiatrist for malpractice.

gman
gman
  Fleabaggs
April 5, 2020 7:08 pm

and I thought I might leave off of not answering you because you just get mad and attack. so much for that. you make my point.

jaycee
jaycee
  gman
April 7, 2020 8:32 am

Pot call kettle black……..

oldtimer505
oldtimer505
  Fleabaggs
April 5, 2020 9:08 pm

It is only my opinion Fleabaggs but, a person can’t have a meaningful discussion or propose and opposing opinion with a person that feels so self important as gman. You, me, and anyone else is simply wasting our time, IMO.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  oldtimer505
April 5, 2020 9:15 pm

O.T.
Right. Every topic every day, all day. We seem to have been “Blessed” with 4 of them appearing at the same time.

gman
gman
  oldtimer505
April 5, 2020 9:33 pm

“a person can’t have a meaningful discussion or propose and opposing opinion with a person that feels so self important”

you mean with someone who points out your own.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  gman
April 5, 2020 5:35 pm

Wow, this is the first time I’ve ever seen a soliloquy in a comments section. . Gman as Hamlet ….Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy….or….

“The question is: is it better to be alive or dead? Is it nobler to put up with all the nasty things that luck throws your way, or to fight against all those troubles by simply putting an end to them once and for all? Dying, sleeping—that’s all dying is—a sleep that ends all the heartache and shocks that life on earth gives us—that’s an achievement to wish for. To die, to sleep—to sleep, maybe to dream. Ah, but there’s the catch: in death’s sleep who knows what kind of dreams might come, after we’ve put the noise and commotion of life behind us. That’s certainly something to worry about. That’s the consideration that makes us stretch out our sufferings so long.”
comment image

(EC)
(EC)
  Mygirl...maybe
April 5, 2020 6:27 pm

Stick around, Big Red. You see all kinds of wonders here in the comments section.

22winmag - TBP's Corona-Gulag Gate Crasher
22winmag - TBP's Corona-Gulag Gate Crasher
April 5, 2020 3:44 pm

I prefer “pre-bombing” stupid subjects that are the next obvious thing.

Real or fake? https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1239796/download

Indict all Democrats and execute a legal (legal enough) Federal lockdown while criminally-illegitimate State Courts and Local Courts *remain closed*.

Then kill off porn for a few months, require Photo ID for BOTH voting AND porn access, and fire-up internet 2.0 without all the commie trash.

View post on imgur.com

Yes, I know I am dreaming.

gman
gman

“require Photo ID for BOTH voting AND porn access”

(blink)

never seen those two equated.

Apple
Apple
  gman
April 5, 2020 6:12 pm

More people would get the ID for porn than the ability to vote. Not a bad idea. Sorta.

ottomatik
ottomatik

I personally feel some similar version of that is on deck. It is going to have to happen, and high level arrest seem to make the most sense for either team.

(EC)
(EC)
April 5, 2020 4:33 pm

Here’s a little pop quiz:

A candidate with questionable bona fides is installed by the supreme court after his electoral win is questioned by the public. He goes on to sit on his thumbs while an imminent attack on the land is announced. Then he rolls out an indirect counter-attack program removing civil liberties while printing large sums of money for his Wall Street cronies.

A. George W. Bush
B. Donald J. Trump

Uncola
Uncola
  (EC)
April 5, 2020 5:30 pm

It may not be a repeat there, EC, but definitely a rhyme, no?

Quite an article, by S.N. – thanks for that

It appears Trump has emerged in this Fourth Turning as the grey champion but it remains to be seen whether the outcome lands us in tyrannical centralization or within a rebirth of neo-localism.

Currently small businesses have collapsed and Wal-Mart has gained new dictatorial powers to the point of how people can move and shop in their stores while even decreeing the ability of consumers growing their own food as NON-essential.

That is quite some momentum right there.

Furthermore, in the wake of a dirty dossier, Russiagate, Ukrainegate, and impeachment, we now have prominent alternative internet websites shilling for the New York Times. WTF?

Shocking Expose Proves Thousands Of COVID-19 Deaths Have Gone Uncounted In The US: Live Updates | Zero Hedge

Update (1445ET): Two reporters from the New York Times purport to have found evidence that health officials, often at the local or county level, are dramatically undercounting coronavirus deaths in the US

Just more momentum, ya know?

Why… it would take a nation of rugged individualists and freethinkers, indeed, to turn this coronavirus-riddled ship around in time to arrive in a new age of innovation, localism, and self-reliance.

Well, as I like to say: “Hope springs eternal, but reality is a bitch.”

Behold the Strauss & Howe Hero Generation for this Fourth Turning:
comment image

gman
gman
  Uncola
April 5, 2020 5:59 pm

“it would take a nation of rugged individualists and freethinkers, indeed, to turn this coronavirus-riddled ship around”

but most “rugged individualists” and “freethinkers”, at least on these sorts of blogs, reject the idea of nations – unless of course they themselves are the executive legislative sheriff judge jury executioner priest prophet and patriarch of such a nation.

(EC)
(EC)
  Uncola
April 5, 2020 6:18 pm

Unpoetic, did I mention a lock down of the public after the attack, flights grounded, public urged to ‘go shopping’, advance tax refund checks, gnawing suspicion that the president isn’t ‘all there’, media saturation coverage, etc.

The devil has nothing new. – Pastor Pangloss

(EC)
(EC)
  (EC)
April 5, 2020 7:46 pm

See why I don’t write an article, Otto? Even if I spoon feed it to people, they refuse to admit I might have a clue. Sometimes I feel like Hitler when he said Germany didn’t deserve him. Heh.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  (EC)
April 5, 2020 9:10 pm

Can’t argue with that. It seems right in line with the Doc…

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  (EC)
April 5, 2020 9:37 pm

Because you are smarter with allusions than ideas?

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Uncola
April 5, 2020 6:38 pm

Uncola, at some point you might no longer need to identify, analyze, and catalogue The Problem. You have two better options: (1) Life your life anyway, and (2) Identify, analyze, and catalogue the solution. If solutions are obvious, live more without denying the signs of the resolution given by nature. And I’m not convinced Walmart is against selling seeds. It appears they just happen to be in the restricted area. I will assume Hanlon’s overrated razor on this one. What else would inbreds do on their own?

(EC)
(EC)
  'Reality' Doug
April 5, 2020 6:52 pm

Occam’s

Uncola
Uncola
  'Reality' Doug
April 5, 2020 11:01 pm

Living large in three dimensions, RD, I often play the online role of Jaques in Shakespeare’s “As You Like It”:

…the prince of philosophical idler; his only passion is thought; he sets no value upon anything but as it serves as food for reflection”.

And you are either right or naive regarding Walmart. Anything outside the domain of the Centralizers is a threat: growing food, harvesting rainwater, or even treating Covid-19 with malaria drugs and/or hydroxychloroquine.

Coronavirus has become the musical force of Frank Zappa’s “Joe’s Garage” that so threatened the “Central Scrutinizer” who said…

This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER… it is my responsibility to enforce all the laws that haven’t been passed yet. It is also my responsibility to alert each and every one of you to the potential consequences of various ordinary everyday activities you might be performing which could eventually lead to *The Death Penalty….

.. Our studies have shown that this horrible force is so dangerous to society at large that laws are being drawn up at this very moment to stop it forever! Cruel and inhuman punishments are being carefully described in tiny paragraphs so they won’t conflict with the Constitution (which, itself, is being modified in order to accommodate THE FUTURE).

SeeBee
SeeBee
  (EC)
April 5, 2020 5:53 pm

I get where you are coming from, EC, but I think it’s CONGRESS that has let us down all the more so. CONGRESS are CONMEN. They have gotten off so easy these past decades, cause it so much easier to pin everything on one guy. CONGRESS is by far the worst of the worst.

(EC)
(EC)
  SeeBee
April 5, 2020 6:25 pm

Just lay down and spread ’em. Let go of your illusions Don’t you know, little fool you never can win. Use your mentality, wake up to reality. The congress is a uniparty and the courts are political appointees.

To paraphrase Nixon, we are all fascists now.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  (EC)
April 5, 2020 6:44 pm

But, but, but God’s love is universal. I can quarantine just a few bad eggs. Our institutions are sacrosanct and essential to any solution after only Gawd Heezself.

SeeBee
SeeBee
  (EC)
April 5, 2020 7:14 pm

“Use your mentality, wake up to reality.”

The music keeps me happy and alive.

(EC)
(EC)
  SeeBee
April 5, 2020 7:42 pm

Good cause I have so much more to post as the occasion arises.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  (EC)
April 6, 2020 4:25 am

A

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
April 5, 2020 5:46 pm

I had my commenting spree earlier today. It was nice. gman was not there. The love of moral universalists is always hate.

Regarding the OP:

‘But they offer this curt warning: “A decadent or nihilistic culture is a seedbed for fascism. (p. 313)” I hope we have not descended too far as a society to have the character to rise up to the challenges of the Crisis Climax.’

Nihilism is necessary to let go of the old. The prerequisite for the solution is not the problem.

Fascism does not come from culture, which comes from people’s voluntary consensus, as informed by the past liabilities of violence. Fascism comes from institutional government. The author and it seems Strauss and Howe have a fetish for institution and the American we. The American we is the fucking problem. The constitution of us is the fucking problem. Change the population, change the behavior. No togetherness with shit will work. In other words, study what motivates gman and do the best of what is roughly opposite to his motivation and ends. The Middle Ages was an tedious elimination of deplorable Western traits from Roman patrimony. I fear it will take another perennial winter to fix this gene pool, and there are no barbarians who want to join us. There are not immigrants to better us. The depleted Greeks got the Macedonians. The depleted Romans got the German tribes. We get Hispanics and Muslims. You know my feelings on the Gospel and what that continued glorification will do to what Western viability is left of our Western gene pool. Cleansing fire is my friend. I don’t care to continue the status quo or most human life, the plague of vermin aping greatness they will never understand. They were assisted and still are assisted. They should not be given social standing. They make free speech a weapon, etc.

gman
gman
  'Reality' Doug
April 5, 2020 6:04 pm

“The love of moral universalists is always hate.”

actually that’s your hate.

“Cleansing fire is my friend. I don’t care to continue the status quo or most human life”

listen to him everyone. he’s talking about you. take him seriously.

and he’s not the only one.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  gman
April 5, 2020 6:45 pm

The age of the worm is ending, little man.

gman
gman
  'Reality' Doug
April 5, 2020 6:51 pm

“The age of the worm is ending”

and you’re not the only player – lots of other people will see you as the worm, and will act as you recommend.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  gman
April 5, 2020 7:05 pm

This time I will have control of my mind and deeper awareness of the social reality. You act like conflict is always bad, yet organisms have resorted to it since the beginning of time. The end of your sniveling is so satisfying I don’t care if I meet the same end. I have the free hand if not the winning hand. You will never know what it is to have free testosterone.

gman
gman
  'Reality' Doug
April 5, 2020 7:18 pm

“The end of your sniveling is so satisfying I don’t care if I meet the same end.”

so you pursue murder/suicide – to end the “sniveling” that you project onto me? there is a better kind of life than that. god can lift you up to it.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  gman
April 5, 2020 8:26 pm

Shut the fuck up, Bible thumper. Scriptural masturbation is no life for the living. You are beneath me, or you would not need all these crutches of God and commentary and universalism. You are a tedious fool.

gman
gman
  'Reality' Doug
April 5, 2020 8:54 pm

“You are beneath me”

the offer stands. all you have to do is ask him.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  gman
April 5, 2020 8:59 pm

Bitch!

SeeBee
SeeBee
April 5, 2020 5:57 pm

BETWEEN THE VIRUS AND THE ECONOMY, THINGS ARE SO BAD, THAT ….
I got a pre-declined credit card in the mail.
CEO’s are now playing miniature golf.
Exxon-Mobil laid off 25 Congressmen.
I saw a Mormon with only one wife.
If the bank returns your check marked “Insufficient Funds,” you call them and ask if they meant you or them.
McDonald’s is selling the 1/4 ouncer.
Angelina Jolie adopted a child from America.
Parents in Beverly Hills fired their nannies and learned their children’s names.
My cousin had an exorcism but couldn’t afford to pay for it, and they re-possessed her!
A truckload of Americans was caught sneaking into Mexico.
A picture is now only worth 200 words.
When Bill and Hillary travel together, they now have to share a room.
The Treasure Island casino in Las Vegas is now managed by Somali pirates.
And, finally…
I was so depressed last night thinking about the economy, wars, jobs, my savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc., I called the Suicide Hotline. I got a call center in Pakistan, and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck.

gman
gman
  SeeBee
April 5, 2020 6:32 pm

every one of those made me laugh.

but you got that last one from somebody else.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  gman
April 5, 2020 6:37 pm

What if he did? It’s still funny.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  SeeBee
April 5, 2020 6:37 pm

See Bee.
That’s funny.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  SeeBee
April 5, 2020 7:03 pm

Made my wife laugh. Not an easy feat.

SeeBee
SeeBee
  SeeBee
April 5, 2020 8:33 pm

I wish I would have written all that. But I didn’t. I’m just passing it on cause it made me laugh. I would attribute it but I don’t know the originator. But I’m happy it made you laugh too.

(EC)
(EC)
  SeeBee
April 5, 2020 9:39 pm

That’s interesting you wanna know what makes me laugh? YOU DO! MAYBE WE SHOULD CHUCK ON OVER NAMBY PAMBY LAND WHERE MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOME CORONA VICTIMS FOR YOU, YOU JACKWAGON!

anonymous
anonymous
  (EC)
April 5, 2020 10:16 pm

Lance your boil and let that puss drain.

(EC)
(EC)
  anonymous
April 6, 2020 12:51 am

I was telling SEEBEE that she makes me laugh. The comment is not for you, moron.

22winmag - TBP's Corona-Gulag Yankee Mormon
22winmag - TBP's Corona-Gulag Yankee Mormon
  SeeBee
April 6, 2020 12:42 am

Happy Birthday Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Don’t get the Mormons riled up.

(EC)
(EC)

Thanks for the LC link. Now I’m totally mindfucked. Not yet tripping like Uncola, though.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  SeeBee
April 6, 2020 4:38 am

SeeBee, I appreciate the comedic relief.

ozum
ozum
April 6, 2020 1:09 am

Ibn Khaldun wrote the recipe for the four turnings in 1400 AD