Yes, there is a hidden Trump vote

Guest Post by Byron York

BUTLER, Pennsylvania A man who came to President Trump’s giant rally at a local airport Saturday night said he knew someone who planned to vote for Trump but felt too intimidated to say so publicly. I asked who it was. It was his mother, he answered, but she would kill him if she found out that he told anyone.

“There are a lot of people who are too afraid to put up a sign [for Trump],” he said, explaining that his neighborhood, more than an hour away, was mixed between Trump and Biden voters, and black and white voters. During the protests that followed the death of George Floyd, he said, “I pulled the Trump magnet off my Jeep. Everybody took their signs down. People don’t want to be a target.”

At some pro-Trump events around Pennsylvania in the last week — the president’s event, a big road rally that stretched over three states, a small event for Trump volunteers and activists featuring Ivanka Trump, and in other conversations — a large number of people who openly support Trump said they knew someone personally who would vote for the president but would not publicly acknowledge doing so.

They pointed to the most difficult question of the campaign — how to measure the true number of people who will vote for the president? The phenomenon of so-called shy Trump voters is without any doubt real, but how big is it?

At the Trump events, it’s big, if mostly unspoken. At the Butler rally, Kori, from Freeport, said her sister and her father did not vote for Trump in 2016 but plan to vote for him this time. Dana, from Lower Burrell, said she knew people involved in the oil and gas industry who did not vote at all in 2016 but who plan to vote for Trump now. “Biden will shut us all down,” she said. “We’ll be out of work.” Van, from Canonsburg, was one of them. Also in the oil and gas business, he said he did not vote for 25 years. Now, after a few years of oil and gas prosperity, he said he will definitely vote for the president.

At the Ivanka Trump event — held in the middle of rolling farmland on a chilly afternoon — Barb, from Baden, Pennsylvania, said that back in 2016, “I didn’t even know my neighbors were Trump supporters until election night.” Shannon, who identified herself only as a Pennsylvania voter, said, “You don’t tell everyone you know that you support Trump. Seventy-five percent of the people I work with are against Trump. And it’s worse now [than in 2016]. A lot of people are afraid to speak up.” Added Laura, of Daisytown, “There are people who are fearful of losing their jobs if they support Trump.”

At the road rally, nearly everyone said they knew someone who is too fearful, or intimidated, or just too private, to say they will vote for Trump. “I know people in their 50s who haven’t voted in their entire lives, and they’re going to vote for Trump,” said Patrick, from Beaver County. Bradley, from Monroeville, said he not only knew such people, but he was close to them. “I’ve got family who have never voted,” he said.

Sam DeMarco is chairman of the Republican Committee of Allegheny County and also an elected Allegheny County councilman at large. Allegheny County, which includes Democratic Pittsburgh, went for Hillary Clinton with 56.5% of the vote in 2016 to Trump’s 40%. In an interview Sunday, DeMarco said shy Trump voters “most definitely exist” in his county. Some are in the upper-middle class suburbs where Trump supporters just don’t want to deal with the social aspects of neighbors asking, “How can you vote for this guy?” But others are in traditional Democratic strongholds.

“I’m an elected official,” DeMarco said. “I have had at least a dozen Democratic elected officials tell me that they are voting for Trump. They say they don’t like where their party has gone, so far to the left, but as Democratic elected officials they can’t come out and say it.”

“Look at the unions,” DeMarco continued. “When they endorse, they apply a lot of pressure on their guys to fall in line and support the candidate. That’s not happening now.” He mentioned a recent large oil and gas industry conference that included some local union leaders. “They said they’ve given up on trying to get their guys to vote Biden,” DeMarco recalled. “I can’t guess at the number, but if it’s in law enforcement, the building and trade unions, and oil and gas, these folks are voting Trump.”

Westmoreland County, bordering Allegheny on the east, is far more Republican; Trump won there in 2016 by 64% to Clinton’s 33%. It’s much more common for people to openly display their intention to vote for Trump. Still, Bill Bretz, chairman of the Westmoreland County Republican Committee, said in a text exchange, “There is definitely a ‘shy’ voter presence in the county. Although outward expressions of support such as yard signs, MAGA hats, and attendance at rallies are abundant, there is distrust toward the media in general and pollsters in particular, in confiding the intended use of their secret ballot to an anonymous caller.”

Many Democrats and some in the polling business do not believe in the idea of ‘shy’ Trump voters. The FiveThirtyEight podcast recently headlined an episode, “There Just Isn’t Good Evidence That ‘Shy’ Trump Voters Exist.” Some pollsters are open to the possibility that such voters do exist but don’t think they make much difference in the overall race.

But some Republican pollsters at an independent pro-Trump group have been trying to dig a little deeper. “We learned a year and a half ago in focus groups that the shy Trump voters are real,” one pollster told me. “But trying to quantify it was difficult.”

In recent Pennsylvania polling, they tried this: They asked voters whether they would “likely” or “definitely” vote for Trump or Biden. Later in the survey, they asked voters if they knew anyone who is likely to vote for Trump but too embarrassed to admit it. Then, for the ones who answered yes, they asked, “And would that be you?” If the answer was yes, they checked back to see what that person had said about their intention to vote; if they said they would “definitely” vote for Trump, they were not counted on the grounds that a voter who says he will “definitely” vote for Trump is clearly not a shy Trump voter. So the ones who remained, about 2.5% to 3% of voters in Pennsylvania, qualified as possible shy Trump voters. (People who said they knew other people who were ‘shy’ voters were not counted on the grounds that it was hard to evaluate their claim.)

The 2.5-to 3.0-percentage point range, the pollster said, was roughly similar in other swing states.

The bottom line is that finding voters who plan to vote for Trump but won’t say so is a difficult, imprecise business. Still, a lot of Republicans on the ground in Pennsylvania believe very strongly that it is happening, and that it could be more prevalent than the polls suggest. In some circles back in 2016, there was social ostracism directed toward those who voted for Trump, and some Trump voters decided they just didn’t want the hassle that would result from announcing their intention. Some worried about their jobs. And many associated polls with the media, which they believe — not without reason — is overwhelmingly anti-Trump. So why be open about supporting Trump?

Now, things are arguably worse. There have been four years of anti-Trump media coverage. The anger that some voters feel when the name Trump is mentioned has only grown. And this year, there have been protests, and in some cases, actual violence in a number of cities, including some in Pennsylvania, directed at Trump. There is all the more reason for a person who has never voted before now, or who doesn’t talk politics with friends, to stay quiet about his or her intention to cast a vote for the president.

So it is not a surprise to hear so many Pennsylvanians say they know someone who plans to vote for Trump but doesn’t want to talk about it. It is not a surprise to hear that some centrist Democratic officials, dismayed at their party’s turn left, plan to vote for Trump, too. In this nation of the secret ballot, there are plenty of reasons some people don’t announce their vote. That applies perhaps more than ever in 2020.

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26 Comments
hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
November 2, 2020 3:25 pm
TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  hardscrabble farmer
November 2, 2020 3:47 pm

Just saw where Larry Sabato predicts Biden to earn 317 electors. That would pretty much be a sweep of the swing states.

musket
musket
  TN Patriot
November 2, 2020 4:10 pm

Sabato is an establishment clown too……

musket
musket
  hardscrabble farmer
November 2, 2020 4:09 pm

I wonder how Harwood and Quinnipiac spell “fat chance”…..

Trust your eyes and not the media….

Stucky
Stucky
  hardscrabble farmer
November 2, 2020 4:37 pm

Did you know “Quinnipiac” is Lenape Indian for “Lying Faggot”?

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
November 2, 2020 3:27 pm

My mother in law hates Trump. Guess who she’s going to vote for?

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 2, 2020 3:34 pm

Yes, there is a hidden Trump vote. I have never voted once in an election, and for the first time ever I registered to vote and I’m voting for Trump. Not because I think e is great, but because I have spent the last 5 years listening to incredibly pretentious people and MSM tell people they are idiots for supporting him. So fuck those people, my vote is a middle finger to them and the whole crooked system.

Go Trump – he’s all we got right now. Next election we may be voting with bullets.

Auntie Kriest
Auntie Kriest
November 2, 2020 3:37 pm

The question for all Pennsylvanians is: when are they going to remove the tyrant governor and his Department of Sickness director-phreak from office?

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Auntie Kriest
November 2, 2020 3:45 pm

Same question for MI, NJ and a lot of other states. Our governor cancelled the emergency declaration a few weeks ago and I’m sure he is concerned about the turnout in the legislative races. The dem cities and counties are still in full tyrant mode.

ottomatik.
ottomatik.
  TN Patriot
November 2, 2020 5:18 pm

And CO.

Stucky
Stucky
November 2, 2020 4:34 pm

Yesterday a Trump road rally shut down the Garden State Parkway. New Jersey!!!??? wow And also the Tappan Zee Bridge.
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Stucky
Stucky
  Stucky
November 2, 2020 4:44 pm

“Crowd size, after all, is an imperfect metric to measure a campaign’s vitality. While it can be a revealing indicator, it still lacks the scientific underpinning of polling or the fixed-dollar figures associated with fundraising. Nor does it account for the judgment of elected and influential Democrats across the country.”

——— Some Dem Retard on Politico

Jaz
Jaz
  Stucky
November 2, 2020 9:26 pm

Stucky, unless you were asking them about Obama’s crowds in 2008.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Stucky
November 2, 2020 9:37 pm

that is stupid of those people to do that–if the dems had any sense they would publicize the hell out of it–
it pisses people off 4 others to impede traffic & in a close election it could hurt–

Stucky
Stucky
  TampaRed
November 2, 2020 9:54 pm

Well, in pre-pandemic days that would just be normal traffic …. Joisey peeps are used to it.

At least Trumpies don’t BURN DOWN CITIES.

And, yes, local newspapers did publicize the hell out of it … just like they’ve all trashed Trump for the past 4 years. No big deal in the cesspool state.

Also Anon
Also Anon
  Stucky
November 2, 2020 11:55 pm

We heard the Biden Malarky bus was out front and broke down.

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 2, 2020 5:14 pm

Trump was selected, or Hillary was rejected. Both statements are true if you understand the presidential elections process.

Your vote is part of the popularity contest, which is part of the criteria used by the Electoral College (EC). The EC is a piece of work, the delegates are appointed based on each state’s criteria, but obviously, only friends of that state’s power structure are selected.

Each state has different rules on how delegates cast their vote. The rules for the EC, are long, complicated, and make you think that it is designed to obfuscate the intentions of the voters, and it is.

Neither candidate can, or will fulfill their campaign promises, these are just ideas, used by the selector/rejecter powers, to see what flies, to gage public opinion.

The EC will be told to present a landslide for one or the other, this will establish the narrative on how the rest of the post production theatrics will be presented.

I believe the PTB clearly understand that most of the US is not ready for a New Normal, or the great reset. They will get too much pushback from vast numbers of people who are not easily tracked.

There are more old school hard core citizens, who will fight when forced. Those BLM/Antifa are 100% trackable, ready to travel 300 miles to loot on a moments notice. They were destroyed by a 17 yr old patriot, imagine the same group up against any other group of Patriots, willing and able to resist the mob rule of these paid agitators, who will melt after their cell leader’s are gently taken out, and removed from the peaceful protests.

Prediction: Trump wins in a landslide, the left attempt, but fail to Change results.

4 more years before the entire citizenry is 100% trackable, that is the goal, and timing of this green new deal/great reset, if things continue down the same path.

go try and buy a new Tv, they are 95% smart, soon it will be impossible to buy anything that will NOT capture your habits, location, ideology, and sexual preference.

the elite are trying to create hell on earth, where only they survive and thrive, but that will not happen as long as we hold our ground.

Vote for Trump. He won’t make you wear a mask, and his vice president is not likely to become president

Robin Banks
Robin Banks
  Anonymous
November 2, 2020 10:57 pm

I do not care how smart the TV is, if you do not connect it to the network it cannot report back to its masters.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Robin Banks
November 2, 2020 11:59 pm

I’ve got an old RCA on a converter box that works fine in OTA mode. Problem is, there never is anything on worth watching.

cz
cz
November 2, 2020 9:12 pm

the son and i went to the rally here in butler. it was just a few miles from our home. the crowd was pretty intense: i’ve heard over 50,000 peeps.
all in all it was fun (trying to get out sucked bigly), and a great people-watching event. folks were transfixed, ready for the bait that trump was throwing, looking for the next opportunity to chant the regular rally phrases.
they/we here get at least lip service from trump that establishment politicians don’t give. areas like this (we’re about 35 miles north of pgh) are mainly ignored, which might sound good, but it also means that concerns here are way down the list.
pretty sure the last president to visit butler, pa was kennedy back around ‘61.

Jaz
Jaz
  cz
November 2, 2020 9:28 pm

Trump is the ‘rock star’ that Obama was in 2008. Energy does not lie; Trump has it working for him and Biden does not.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  cz
November 2, 2020 9:39 pm

What a bunch of delusional losers.

Sad actually.
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Ken31
Ken31
  Anonymous
November 3, 2020 6:51 am

Imgur is for faggots, but the memes are spot on.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  cz
November 2, 2020 9:41 pm

all of trump’s rallies today have been shown live on youtube–i believe he has at least one more tonight

TampaRed
TampaRed
  TampaRed
November 2, 2020 11:59 pm

trump is taking the stage right now in michigan if you want to hear him–very energized crowd–

very old white guy
very old white guy
November 3, 2020 6:32 am

Imagine being afraid of your neighbor knowing who you support for president. I would have a lot of neighbors in extreme pain if I was ever confronted for my political beliefs and preferences. Being old does not mean one cannot take action against those who try and hurt them.