What do you think? Is it criminal for the president to stop what many people think is a crime against voters?
“Any attempt to deploy the military to overturn the results of the 2020 election would violate multiple federal laws. First, it would violate the Posse Comitatus Act, an 1878 law codifying the longstanding principle that the military may not engage in domestic law enforcement (18 U.S. Code 1385). The Insurrection Act is understood to provide a rare exception to posse comitatus, based on a civil emergency that requires the immediate restoration of law and order, conditions that would simply not be satisfied here, even if Trump’s allegations of election fraud were true. There are also specific laws designed to criminalize election interference by the military. Members of the Armed Forces, for example, who assist with the overthrow of a lawful election can be held criminally liable under 18 U.S. Code 593 and sentenced for up to five years imprisonment.”
Invoking Martial Law to Reverse the 2020 Election Could be Criminal Sedition
This article is some chutzpa, if you know what I mean. They engage in overwhelming fraud to fix the election, then clutch pearls about any contemplated effort to correct this attack on our “democracy” – which wouldn’t even be necessary to contemplate if the courts would’ve done the right thing.
How very amusing. Finkelstein and Painter whine about the “illegality” of Trump imposing martial law to thwart a treasonous conspiracy by the likes of Finkelstein and Painter. News flash. The first scum to be arrested will be them and their greasy lawyer friends on and off the courts. Go ahead. Try to burble out a threat. The last sound you hear will be the .45 round headed your way. These scoundrels are devoid of imagination and even a particle of self-awareness.
Just another statement that they can fuque us and we have no right under any circumstance to do anything about it. I say BS of course.
A COMPLETELY Constitutional way for him to do this is by calling forth the Militia. I will tell you that there are so many trained and Veterans ready to report to the local National Guard Officer appointed over them, or in some cases County Sheriff, that it would make the standing Army look small.
Trump is the swamp. There is a good video by that title.
Only a shill pretends otherwise.
And your position at ‘Just Security’ is?
Nashville,
The first time I’m aware of a PSA warning from the RV warning that there is a bomb about to go off.
Could this be the first patriot act to reveal their capability to begin to undermine the corrupted, hopelessly compromised US of A?
Just askin’.
The placement of the bomb was near the AT&T building which appears to be the target. The fact they put out a 15 min warning and detonated early on Christmas morning indicates they were not trying to hurt any innocent civilians.
I think you may be correct in suspecting a lone patriot striking back at the infrastructure.
I have become somewhat fascinated by the suggestion made on the Nashville post itself that the video of the blast in the twitter feed has been doctored.
stackingstock got me fixated on this topic…
The 15 minute warning is a lot more time than necessary to evacuate, but the perfect amount of time at 6AM to get the maximum amount of emergency responders in close enough to be targets (not much going on, very little traffic, etc.) I’m sure that RV was booby trapped to prevent disarmament. I’m also sure that the arriving first responders, even if suspecting a real bomb had no concept of how large the blast would really be.
The size of the explosion indicates a very large quantity of military grade high explosives. Nobody built that in his basement from chemicals bought at the hardware store. ANFO (the stuff blamed on OKC) is a slow explosive the pushes not shatters.
My son-in-law is a reserve deputy and has been to the ATF bomb dectection school. He said there are many ways to make explosives that can be quite effective. Opening an LP tank to fill the RV could enhance the explosion. I doubt we will get the straight story from the government, but he knows a couple of the FIB agents on the investigation and might get some insight as part of his official training.
where is Kid Rock’s Bar, by the way?
I have no idea. I tend to stay away from downtown big city and only drive through on the interstates, when there is no other route.
wherever there’s a bottle or two of liquor, some southern rock playin’, some deplorables packin’, and the stars and bars and old glory wavin’ in the wind.
He’s proof that some Yankees and where they come from ain’t all that bad, can hold their own,
and could blend right in with a few southern rebels with a worthy cause.
That’s pure speculation.
Ruumors and theories.
According to Stewart Rhodes, a Yale-trained constitutional scholar this would be a terrible mistake. It would open a door for THEM to use it against us. He strongly advises the use of the Insurrection Act which provides the president all the power he needs and yet is constitutional-preserving our best protection against tyranny.
It’s an intended “catch 22”. It would be dereliction of duty to not push the insurrection button; but to push the insurrection button is a near guarantee of imminent marshall law. There’s a storm a brewing.
Nothing will happen. Trump blusters and is acting like a president who has lost the election. My only question is will he attend the ‘inauguration’ aka: installation, of Joe and the Ho?
I agree. I think he crawls out of town a beaten man.
Why?
Piss or get off the pot, damn it.
martial law might be fun but there is no need for it.
There is zero chance that the military would support Trump.
Really? Zero?
Trump could I believe call on the US Marshal Service to arrest the malefactors. This isn’t China. They’d get a hearing and lawyers and get bail etc. It would demonstrate rule of law and an attempt to investigate a massive crime, literally against every voter and candidate.
He could also deputize tens of thousands of Deplorables. No Insurrection Act. No calling out the Unorganized Militia. Just law and order with tens of thousands of legal armed Deplorables supervised by the Marshal Service. I like it.
Where do I sign up?
The entire scenario revolves around Trump’s willingness to enact EO 13848. In that EO he set up a process whereby he could freeze and seize assets from ‘foreign entities’ that were proven to have interfered in the elections. That included the media and individuals. If you hear about such seizures and shut downs then you know the game’s afoot. Mnuchin holds a key position in that EO. Is he loyal to Trump? Who all IS loyal to Trump? That’s key here.
Section 1 of that executive order deals with blocking assets. Section 7 states that no notice has to be given in the blocking of assets under Section 1. It appears that blocking of assets has the same meaning as seizing of assets. Executive Order 13694 was not rescinded by President Trump and remains in effect. So assets can be seized without notice.
Trump isn’t acting like someone who intends to do much, pardons by the fistful are interesting. Will he enact the EO? Time will soon tell.
The EO doesn’t require a declaration of martial law BTW…just seizures and penalties. It requires the DNI to give a report, however, recently. said report has been delayed</em for unknown reasons. Not a reassuring sign.
ODNI announced late Wednesday that the Intelligence Community (IC) has notified Ratcliffe that they will not meet the Dec. 18 deadline set by President Trump’s executive order to submit the report on foreign threats during the November election as “agencies have not finished coordinating on the product.”
“This afternoon the DNI was notified by career intelligence officials that the Intelligence Community (IC) will not meet the Dec. 18 deadline, set by executive order and Congress to submit the IC’s classified assessment on foreign threats to the 2020 U.S. elections,” said Schoch.
The fate of EO 13848 relies heavily on the actions of the Attorney General. Barr is gone, is he replaced by another deep stater? If so, then all bets are off.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/executive_order_13848_and_the_stolen_election.html
Not much mention lately about declassification of government documents. Do one dump Monday morning, another on Wednesday right before lunch, then later that afternoon quietly execute the EO-nobody will even know that part of it has started to unfold.
A long time buddy had a career with the FBI; once I asked him which Federal group-out of all those charged with some form of law enforcement-are the most bad ass, thinking maybe he’d reply with his own FBI or maybe even the IRS. Without hesitation he said the Marshal Service. Why? They are the most Rambo like group of all-they know how and where to root out all kinds of black hats and really are challenged when they are told “no-you can’t do that”.
“Members of the Armed Forces, for example, who assist with the overthrow of a lawful election can be held criminally liable under 18 U.S. Code 593 and sentenced for up to five years imprisonment.”
The operable phrase is “lawful election”. There is verified video evidence of fraud from Fulton County, GA. The forensic audit in Anterim County, WI of the voting machines shows solid evidence of computer fraud. If there was a single packet of information sent from ANY voting machine over the internet, it is a violation of federal election law and points to fraud for whichever entity sent the data. If any of this data went to a computer in a foreign country, it is a violation of federal law and is enough to invoke his EO.
The democrats had a brilliant strategy in committing massive voter fraud in many specific states and then using the courts to run out the clock and Trump’s team has been too slow to react to the depth of the conspiracy. The question remains as to which federal agency you can trust to confiscate the ballots, voting machines and other data needed to determine the full extent of the fraud? As I see it, the military is his only option as we cannot trust the Dept. of Just Us or the Intelligence agencies.
Do you think high level military officers so close to retirement (and the Military Industrial Complex “retirement plan” for high level military officers) would obey Trump? The real question here, I guess, is whether the Military Industrial Complex prefers Trump over Biden?
Most O-5 and above are locked in on their retirement and not likely to pursue something that would endanger it, as well as anyone working in the odd shaped building in Arlington, VA. There are some who would follow POTUS as they know this was a sham election. SOCCOM comes to mind in that regard. Trump has been good to MIC w/ $ and has not started any new wars, so is preferred by the shooters over a Harris/Biden administration who appear to like war.
Trump, as Commander in Chief IS the military. He can completely bypass the Pentagon and can take direct charge of specific units that he deems loyal. He can also arrest anyone not following a lawful order. Those arrested will be entitled to their day in court under the UCMJ. He can collect the evidence and arrest perpetrators for trials by military tribunals bypassing the courts in accordance with existing law. He can do this without invoking martial law. The civilian population would have no limits placed on their constitutional rights. Posse Comitatus would not be violated.
And Gitmo has some vacancies available for a couple high profile officers waiting for their day in court.
Biden has more Jews in his woodshed. No need for Marshall Laws.
martial….as in military.
Now that I’ve listened to this video submitted by cz, I’ve decided the question more likely is “Would” Trump do so?
After all, there is plenty of evidence that should have been released already to the American Voters as well as declassifying a crapload of dirt on CongressCritters and Injustices.
And former Presidents Clinton and Obama. My God, Joe Biden?????
Marshall?
Dillon, of course.
Thanks for that very thoughtful response.
Criminal sedition was and is the theft of an election with fraudulent votes and vote dumps and a court that is in on the fraud. The people want lockdowns, give the democrats a real lockdown Mr. President. To hell with them use the Army if that is what is required to get justice. The country has reached a point where much like the first revolution a second one is now needed.
Trump could appeal to the ranks and the Veterans – millions of whom can quite still do their duty- and expect them to rally. He cannot go through DOD, by which we mean the Pentagon, nor any known Flag Officer.
It is nearly certain the other side can get much of DOD, the Flag officers and no doubt some of the ranks for their cause along with some veterans. Numbers and fighters will favor Trump. Bloodshed would nearly be certain.
Which is why this is irrelevant as a topic as Trump will not do this, he has never acted decisively if there was chance of such trouble in the past, he will not shed blood or run the risk of bloodshed.
He has had 4 years of plots, coups, attempted IC community blackmail and lawlessness, a summer of riots and insurrections and at no time did he do anything but call his lawyers and tweet and bleat.
He calls his lawyers and his publicist, and tweets…and that’s his limit.
The lack of moral courage to open fire is of course disqualifying to hold office, at any level from Mayor to Governor to President.
We have a Barker, we need a Biter.
Perhaps a Biter will find us, perhaps we’ll find him, hopefully we’ll find each other.
I would counter that he may see people as more than political pawns and won’t get them killed for vanity like the Bush neocon scum. If it is the only course, he will give the order. Assign me a corner. I’ll be there.
Lots of vets are standing by. But I doubt the call to arms ever sounds.
Quietly into that godless night we go.
FWIW he is calling for people to come and rally in DC on the 6th. He is calling for it. Straight from the top dog. Await further developments. Meanwhile, prepare to make a lot of noise Noon Central next Saturday.
Any suggestions on how to do that less than 1 mile from the CIA campus?