U.S. Mint Rations Bullion Coins – Why Aren’t Prices Rising, Too?

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U.S. Mint Rations Bullion Coins – Why Aren't Prices Rising, Too?

This week, Your News to Know rounds up the latest top stories involving gold and the overall economy. Stories include: The disconnect between gold and silver bullion demand and price, we could be months away from $50 silver, and trove of antique Roman silver coins unearthed in Turkey.

Why bullion prices don’t seem to be in line with demand

Despite record demand for gold and silver bullion coins month after month, the prices of both metals continue to linger within limited ranges. Gold even pulled back to just above $1,800 during Friday’s trading session. So what’s going on? Why isn’t the clearly-demonstrated demand driving prices higher?

U.S. Mint director Ed Moy, whose tenure stretched from 2006 to 2011, recognizes today’s situation and draws many parallels to the start of 2008:

The last time demand was this high was during the [2008-2009] financial crisis. People were panicking and buying into gold, and prices were shooting up. Then the government started injecting both fiscal and monetary stimulus, and you saw gold correct down maybe 20-30%. And then, over the next three years, gold began to climb until it set a new record of $1,925 in 2011. Afterward, gold didn’t decline until it became clear that the economic recovery was going to be slow, which eliminated the uncertainty. The Fed also had the time to mop up all the excess liquidity before it caused inflation.

The former director explained that, besides overloaded mints and supply chain disruptions, there are several other factors that could play an interesting role in shaping up gold’s price over the coming months and years. Moy believes that perhaps the biggest reason for the disconnection between price and demand lies in Wall Street’s shorting of the metals.

As Moy pointed out, market participants appear to have been overly eager to turn to optimism due to aggressive stimulus measures being taken to repair the economy. However, much of the stimulus money has already ended up in the hands of financial institutions and in turn equities, creating bubbles and inflating asset prices.

A quick economic recovery, such as the one traders are hoping for, will likely bring on rapid inflation that the Federal Reserve won’t be able to keep in check. On the other hand, gold stands to benefit just as much if recovery forecasts indeed turn out to be overly optimistic.

Either way, Moy thinks gold’s climb to $2,070 in August was the first in what could turn out to be a series of new highs, once again culminating in a persistently higher price.

Shortages point to the likelihood of $50 silver within a few months

While gold and especially silver holders might be dissatisfied with the lack of price appreciation in their respective markets despite sky-high bullion demand, things could soon shift in the favor of precious metals bugs. A variety of factors seems poised to drive the price of silver to $50 in the coming months.

With large U.S. bullion dealers like APMEX only issuing presales with 50% premiums and some, like London-based ATS Bullion, temporarily closing up shop, it’s clear that people are buying the little investment silver that’s still up for grabs.

With all this demand, why isn’t the silver spot price higher? At this point, many are pointing to some kind of price suppression in the paper market, and a closer examination quickly turns up the motivation for why certain forces would benefit from price manipulation. A run into silver is, in its basest form, a run from the dollar. Both act as wealth storage, and when faith in the greenback erodes, bullion is quickly turned to as an alternative.

When silver hit $50 in 1980, then-Fed Chair Paul Volcker restored demand for the dollar by bumping interest rates to nearly 20% in short order. Soon enough, investors piled back into the dollar and slumped silver’s price. In the current climate, such a drastic increase in interest rates would collapse both the economy and the stock market due to the massive amount of debt.

To avoid a deep-rooted banking crisis caused by a quick fall of the dollar, banks have a vested interest in supporting the greenback when investors transfer their wealth into safe, risk-off assets. One way to accomplish this is by shorting the silver paper market, and while this strategy supports temporary dollar strength, it’s only temporary if investors continue buying silver. A disconnection of this magnitude has only happened a few times in the silver market, notably in March, in September 2015 and February 2011.

Each instance was invariably accompanied by a near-doubling of silver’s price within months.

The magnitude of silver’s price rebound depended on how much the price had been suppressed. While markets are never easy to pinpoint, technical analysis shows that the current lag-behind most closely resembles that of 2011, meaning that we could be months away from silver finding a new all-time high above $50.

Turkish archeologists unearth 650 silver coins from first-century Rome

During a 2019 dig, archeologists from the Department of Classical Archeology at Pamukkale University in Turkey came upon an exceptional trove of first-century Roman silver coins. The 651-coin pile was found in the western part of the nation, stashed in a jug in the ruins of Aizanoi, part of what is today’s Cavdarhisar in the Kutahya province.

Turkish archeologists unearth 650 silver coins from first-century Rome

A selection of the 2,100-year-old silver coins found in Aizanoi, Turkey. Image credit: Pamukkale University.

Professor Elif Ozer, who helmed the excavations in the area, shared some details about the find and how the coins might have ended up at the location. As Ozer noted, the coins are of such numismatic value that only one or two examples can be found in collections worldwide, making it one of the most notable finds in recent times.

Ozer said that the coins were minted in southern Italy, with 439 of them identified as denarii and 212 as cistophori. Although it’s difficult to give meaningful comparative values for money from before the 20th century because the range of products and services available for purchase was so different, this stash represents about 3 years’ salary for a legionnaire soldier of the Roman legions.

The collection includes various motifs associated with the Roman Republic period, including depictions of figures such as the first Roman emperor Augustus, Mark Antony, Julius Caesar and Marcus Brutus. Ozer and his team speculate that the stash could have been brought to the area by a high-ranking soldier in the Roman army.

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25 Comments
TN Patriot
TN Patriot
February 16, 2021 5:43 pm

The 2021 Proof Silver Eagle was released last week and sold out in less than 2 hours. I have been a fan of the Silver Eagle for many years and have never seen them sell out so quickly.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  TN Patriot
February 16, 2021 6:23 pm

How much would a person expect to pay over spot for an American Eagle?

john
john
  Glock-N-Load
February 16, 2021 6:54 pm

10%

Ken31
Ken31
  john
February 16, 2021 7:54 pm

I never understood how this was worth it.

Vodka
Vodka
  john
February 16, 2021 9:55 pm

Very wrong about the 10%, john. Silver Eagles are 40% over spot price right now. Nobody has seen anything like this before. Ever!

DeaconBenjamin
DeaconBenjamin
  Vodka
February 17, 2021 12:19 am

Well, I remember that around 2000, spot silver was about $4.50, and ASEs were $6. I thought 33% markup seemed a little high.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Glock-N-Load
February 16, 2021 7:34 pm

I started buying the proof Eagles for my son many years ago and now buy them for my grandson
The proof coins sold for $74 each. They still have a few uncirculated 1oz silver commemorative coins selling for $69.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  TN Patriot
February 16, 2021 10:23 pm

That would seem to be quite a bit more than 40% over spot, no?

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Glock-N-Load
February 16, 2021 11:21 pm

These are collector quality coins. If you want to invest, look for the “junk” silver, pre-‘64 quarters, halves & dimes. They are 90% silver and are selling around $30/oz

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  TN Patriot
February 16, 2021 11:43 pm

So, an Eagle is selling for over 120% of spot, correct? How many of these Eagles do they make? What will they be worth as silver goes up and down? Does the spot price ever matter with Eagles? What will this Eagle be worth 10 years from now?

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Glock-N-Load
February 17, 2021 9:35 am

Hell, Glock, you are starting to sound like my wife with all your questions about my coin collection. I buy collector coins for their beauty and uniqueness, not so much for an investment. Some of them have appreciated nicely and some hover around the spot price of silver.

My Dad’s oldest brother was a coin collector way back in the 50’s and one Christmas, he got his younger nephews and nieces one of those tri-fold blue coin collector books. some of us got penny books, some got nickel books and some got dime books. After lunch, granddad got all of us kids around their huge dining room table and started dumping coffee can and tobacco tins full of various coins on the table. He told us to start filling up our books.

My uncle was salivating like Pavlov’s dog, but not allowed near the table until we had all finished. I wish I had all of those coins Granddad dumped out on the table. It had Indian head pennies, buffalo nickels and all of the dimes, quarters and halves were 90% silver.

Since that Christmas morning 64 years ago, I have been a coin collector and stop to look at every coin I get in change. I still have that penny book, plus several others I received over the years. A couple a times a year, I will open the safe and marvel at the beauty of some of these works of art. It always brings back fond memories of my Dad, Granddad and Uncle.

Ivan
Ivan
  TN Patriot
February 17, 2021 11:00 am

What a story!

Don’t over complicate buying PM’s. Do your research first. Pay cash and buy from a local dealer you can trust. Ask questions but don’t be stupid and waste their time. Especially do not ask, “Why is your premium so high?”. Figure that out on your own first!

All dealers are not greedy, their premium is a usually a function of cost. Be mindful, at the moment this is a dealers market.

Buy 1 oz bullion rounds (private mint coins), if you can find them, it’s the best dollar value at about $36/oz.

90% is now running about $27 x face value or $37.32/oz (given $.50 ASW=.36169).

Hans
Hans
  TN Patriot
February 17, 2021 7:13 am

I’ve been buying bags of 90% “junk” Morgan silver dollars, Standing Liberty quarters and Walking Liberty halves for years. I’m not so much concerned with the investment value as I am in having a hard asset in case of a SHTF scenario.

Dave
Dave
  Glock-N-Load
February 17, 2021 3:00 pm

$9 over spot at gold dealer.com. Buy price is $37.94.

Gryf
Gryf
February 16, 2021 6:07 pm

Silver eagles on the retail market went up from low 30s to mid 40s, a 30+% rise in a week. Some dealers “ran out” and shut down for a few days. Now they are selling again but with much higher premiums. Whatever. Precious metals have been manipulated going back to the Middle ages and beyond. “Ye pays yer money and ye takes yer chances” in many of life’s transactions.

Dan
Dan
February 16, 2021 6:10 pm

The more dollars the Fed “magics” into existence the more valuable gold and silver becomes.
There is a disconnect between physical silver and paper silver. One is purchased by people trying
to prepare for future problems, the other is a form of gambling by people who are trying to get
rich quick. Gold has maintained until recently a stable relationship between it’s price and what
it could buy. A century or so ago you could get a nice custom three-piece suit for the price of an
ounce. The same today…..a custom suit will cost you close to the price of an ounce. Gold has been
remarkably stable. It’s the dollar that has constantly changed in value.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
February 16, 2021 6:22 pm

Gold spot is in the toilet today (relatively speaking). The manipulation is unbelievable. When it blows, it is going to be devastating (both gold and silver). Have you seen iridium? It was like $1100 or something in Dec. and now is well over $4000. Another rare-earth metal they need for alternative energy bullshit I understand.

Nothing but the truth.
Nothing but the truth.
  MrLiberty
February 17, 2021 5:42 am

Good article today by Bullion Stars Ronan Manly about the silver squeeze. The most laughable and ridiculous statement coming from the idiots running SLV trust is the following –
“As of the date of this prospectus, an online campaign intended to harm hedge funds and large banks is encouraging retail investors to purchase silver and shares of Silver ETPs to intentionally increase prices. This activity may result in temporarily high prices of silver.”
So their continual manipulations to suppress the prices through fraudulent methods are perfectly okay, but proper price discovery in a free market is a campaign to harm them ! That in a nutshell, is the pathetic logic of these organisations.
Here is the full article – https://www.bullionstar.com/blogs/ronan-manly/twilight-zone-as-etf-provider-warns-buying-silver-will-harm-hedge-funds-and-large-banks/

These bullion banks clearly operate with the US monetary authorities to suppress /manipulate the prices in order to save the USD from total collapse. Not sure they can keep this B/S up for much longer. Precious metals have always been the Achilles heel of fiat currencies, none more so than right now with all their unrestrained printing of more worthless toilet paper into circulation.

Hunter Biden, Cause I know things
Hunter Biden, Cause I know things
  Nothing but the truth.
February 17, 2021 10:42 am

We should all applaud the efforts of JPM and the govt for supressing metals. It allows us all to buy buy buy cheap. Then when, and not if but when, shtf you have stack much much more than you could have. Why would i want my metals to be worth triple now? Ego? Prove to the wife so she can just force me to sell and buy her ass a new caddie. Wtf? Keep it low. I want silver back to $7 i can stock up so much i need a swimming pool to hold it. Then we all know how this ends. The fiat dollar will be gone and they will try and coerce everyone into digicoin, alt fiat. Fiat replaces fiat and yes the sheeple will fall for it. This is why they are pushing up bitcoin. It makes old people comfortable in the new fiat. They were forced into it so why not. They wont understand it but feel Maybe i hit the lotto son….lmfao. Idiots. Many still wont go there. One winter storm and no power and you cannot walk to the store and transact for a can of beans or firewood. Then metals would rocket after the storm. Imagine if we were on 100% digicoin today and after this texas storm how many would be buying junk silver? Nuf said.

messianicdruid
messianicdruid
February 16, 2021 6:53 pm

“Why isn’t the clearly-demonstrated demand driving prices higher?”

It is. 28.00 “dollar” spot plus 20.00 ” dollar” premium equals 48.00 price.

Dave
Dave
  messianicdruid
February 17, 2021 3:02 pm

Criminal naked shorting of silver contracts ignored by the SEC.

Ed
Ed
February 16, 2021 8:56 pm

” A run into silver is, in its basest form, a run from the dollar. Both act as wealth storage, and when faith in the greenback erodes, bullion is quickly turned to as an alternative”

When interest rates are near zero, dollars aren’t wealth storage at all. Holding silver coins in your own possession is a storage of wealth, which isn’t even related to the current dollar. When the dollar is hyperinflated, no amount of dollars will buy a single 90% silver dime.

RHS JR
RHS JR
February 16, 2021 10:06 pm

The Fed Bankers are able to hold the price of PMs way below normal by buying their mature ETF shorts with their own printed money; but it’s like they are holding a beachball under water. It’s the same with the God forsaken Communist Dictatorship being run with Biden’s Executive Orders. They intend to kill all of US Deplorables (don’t take the Beast’s shot) before some Black Swan Event occurs and we kill all of them first. We aren’t even allowed to talk about secession. Go Galt (and God bless an Irish Resistance); and all help the Blessed Swans. We’ll pile the Pit Diggers in their own pits, and God will drown the Damned in their own DUMBs.

Lebowski
Lebowski
  RHS JR
February 17, 2021 12:20 am

I agree Metals will explode much higher eventually