by Olivier Melnick
I ran across this link on another website, and thought it would make an interesting post.
There are not that many topics in the Bible that cause so much controversy as the Rapture does. Some people believe in it, some don’t. From those who believe that the Rapture is a real event that will be fulfilled literally–and I belong to that group–many positions exist. The Rapture might happen before the Tribulation, during or after. I personally believe that the Rapture will occur before the Great Tribulation, leaving behind all those who have not placed their trust in the atoning death of Yeshua the Messiah for their sins. So, on the spectrum of end-times events, we find many markers representing doctrinal positions. At each end of that spectrum, we find groups that I will identify as the survivalists and the escapists.
The survivalists, that we can also call preppers, are a group of people convinced that mankind will go through the Great Tribulation and suffer greatly. They are right that the Tribulation will be a horrible, bloody carnage. They believe that it will include unbelievers and believers together for seven years of unprecedented turmoil and persecution resulting in the greatest death toll of all human history. Preppers prepare. They buy food, supplies, weapons, ammo and some even build remote bunkers hoping to put all the odds in their favor for surviving the Tribulation. Preppers also have a tendency to succumb to the latest conspiracy theory. On the mind of most preppers is the inevitable end of the world that must be avoided at all costs
Am I saying that believers should trust the Lord in all things and not prepare for difficult times? Absolutely not! In fact, the Bible advises us to prepare and be ready in many ways:
• Be ready for Messiah – Matthew 24:44Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)
• Be watchful and strong – 1 Corinthians 16:13Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)
• Prepare supplies of food – Proverbs 28:19-20Open in Logos Bible Software (if available), 20:4Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)
• Prepare with faith – Hebrews 11:7Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)
Now, what I am saying is that our preparedness should not consume us to the point that we are ignoring other aspects of life. Preparing is good and necessary. We need to prepare for the future and, to an extent, we also need to prepare for the unknown and the unexpected, but I find many preppers being so obsessed with stocking up supplies in anticipation of doomsday, that they completely miss their many opportunities to be witnesses of the love and compassion of Messiah to the lost. God provides and protects His children. He does it directly through circumstances and indirectly through people. So, we need to be wise about preparing for the future, using common sense mixed with wisdom and discernment. We must not succumb to the temptation of overstocking and over-preparing. Satan loves to keep people busy with whatever people deem necessary, and in the meantime, nobody is sharing the Good News. Some even think that they are smack in the center of God’s will by over-prepping for the end. A balance must be achieved.
Now, on the other side of the same spectrum, we find the escapists. Who are these people? Escapists are people who believe in a pre-tribulational Rapture as I do, but they are fixated on their imminent departure more than anything else. They believe that the Rapture will occur prior to the Great Tribulation and that they hold their ticket and reservation for the ultimate ride upward. Escapists look forward to the Rapture and are often heard pleading for Yeshua to come now and snatch away the believers immediately. Escapists are not only “Rapture-ready”, but they also are “Rapture anxious”. They are chomping at the bit for the Rapture to take place.
This reminds me of a pet peeve of mine. It really rubs me the wrong way when I hear people use the word Maranatha all the time. I have nothing against this beautiful Aramaic word meaning “The Lord is coming” or “Come, O Lord”! We shouldn’t dismiss or ignore the beautiful hope that we have in Yeshua and His return. He will return as the Lion of Judah to rule the world from Jerusalem. What a glorious day this will be! What troubles me, is the many believers who constantly say Maranatha as they express their strong desire for Yeshua to return NOW! The question that usually comes to my mind is: “Are all the people you care about saved for you to be so anxious about Yeshua’s return?” When could such a question be answered in the affirmative without any doubt by anyone? Never!
I find the escapist approach to be selfish. It is as if people are thinking, “I’m saved, I’m in and who cares about others”? Again, and as always, I do not wish to paint with broad strokes, but I am greatly concerned with the escapist mentality found across the Body of Messiah. So where is the healthy balance between the escapists and the survivalists? I believe it is found in the person who trusts the Lord day-by-day, moment-by-moment, as they also prepare with common sense for possible financial, physical, political and spiritual difficulties. Planning is necessary, prepping is over-reacting. Trusting the Lord is critical to our spiritual health and growth, but blindly trusting God for all things without any planning is irresponsible.
We need to expect His return at any moment because it can happen at any moment, but we also need to wisely prepare as if He will not return and/or rapture us immediately. Nowhere in the Bible does it mention that believers will not suffer prior to the Rapture. So, prepare, trust, obey and anticipate His return. If we combine all that wisely, we will find plenty of time and opportunities to witness the good news to those who have no hope, so that when He indeed calls the believers to be raptured, more people will join in this glorious departure. Until then, let us all gather in the center of that spectrum and get busy sharing with the lost.
Rapture.. the removing of those who are saved from Planet Earth before the Antichrist is known.
There is not just one anti-Christ. They are here, many of them, and they can be known by their works, the things they use their positions of power to promote or enforce on others, the ways in which they coerce and encourage people to move in the direction opposite Christ. They are literally and functionally just “anti” Christ. Anti God. They destroy or alter God’s creation, they do that with joy and smugness. “Take apart, put together”. Satan’s motto. Take off a penis, turn it inside out and stitch it on and call that a vagina. They “play” God with non-playful consequences – chimeras, genomes, black holes, “fluidity”, Building Back Better, Pachamama – these are their playthings.
Don’t sit around waiting for mustache-twirling cartoon characters in red satin jumpsuits.
There are many anti-Christs (small “a”). There is but one Antichrist (capital “A”).
The Antichrist will be a person….a human being in the flesh.
Rapture …. Plan A, Plan B, and Plan C for far too many who are hoping to survive the coming Shit Storm.
Survival via escapism to the sweet bye and bye. Not a good plan. Not at all.
Very well balanced article but the author is still completely wrong about a mid-tribulation rapture.
The rapture is and will be pre 7 year Tribulation period.
Reasonably prep for any pre rapture hard times if possible but especially prep spiritually with a born again by God’s indwelt Holy Spirit personal relationship with the Father God and His only begotten Son Jesus by His grace through faith and accompanying good works inspired by such relationship.
Will you show disappointment in your expression if you are wrong?
Eyes; technically you’re right, but – as I’ve seen way too many people erroneously do – he is most likely (he would have to clarify that for himself) referring to the entire Trib Period as the ‘Great Tribulation’. The 7 yrs starts when the Man Who Needs No Introduction brings peace to the whole world, after a horrific time of small ‘t’ wrath of man tribulation. The actual Great Trib, of course, kicks in at the 3.5 mark (get it?) which ushers in the Wrath of God Tribulation.
I tend to believe that is what he meant.
The 7 yrs starts when the Man Who Needs No Introduction brings peace to the whole world, after a horrific time of small ‘t’ wrath of man tribulation. The actual Great Trib, of course, kicks in at the 3.5 mark (get it?) which ushers in the Wrath of God Tribulation.
I tend to believe that is what he meant.
You are exactly correct here except for the assuming that’s what he meant part.
Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem……from the Bible.
The tribulation length will be 7 years …..will soon begin after the believers are raptured to Heaven.
If all the Dumb Asses like yourself are “raptured” to heaven …. why would there be Tribulation after? A world without dumb asses sounds rather heavenly and peaceful.
Jerusalem will be attacked by Russia, Iran and many other Arab nations.
From the author’s bio on his website (consolidated) …
“The author is raised in a secular Jewish family in Paris. His future wife gave him a book on prophecy which led him to belief in Jesus as his Savior. He has a Bachelor’s Degree in Jewish Studies from Moody Bible Institute. His goal is to help Christians understand the Jewish roots of the faith …. and to help Jews throughout the world receive Jesus as their promised Messiah.”
I am somewhat certain your goal of this being a “interesting post” will come to fruition.
LOL.
Well, it has certainly drawn your interest, Stucky.
I’m on the run pretty early today, so it should be ‘interesting’ to see where this goes, later on.
My first thought upon seeing the title was that Stucky was the author.
I’ll take that as a positive. 🙂
1)– I don’t give a rat’s ass that he is a converted Jew. What I care about is the content of his post.
2)– Understanding the “Jewish roots of the faith” is noble and wise. It is absolutely KEY to understanding the Bible, and especially Jesus’ teachings. To deny that is pure ignorance.
3)– Moody Bible Institute played a gigantic major role in promoting and advancing John Darby and his Dispensational / Futurist theories. So, it is no surprise the author is a pre-Trib rapture proponent. If you ever read The Late Great Planet Earth … or read Grace Country Pastor’s posts, and several others here …. that’s what your getting.
This is John Nelson Darby. He looks pretty stern, pissed off, and angry at the world. Yeah, I’m gonna follow him!! /s
lol.
Smith Wigglesworth was highly acclaimed as an evangelist and powerful healer. There are a lot of articles claiming these healings were unverified and also a huge number of reports and claims that he was the real deal.
I can’t remember the names because I read this about 30 yrs ago, but a woman proclaimed to one of Smith’s friends/peers, some time after Smith’s death, that she just loved Smith Wigglesworth.
Smith’s friend said that if she loved him then she most definitely didn’t know him.
He was described as rough, opinionated and often dismissive, among other things. But he was highly effective and very fervent about people choosing Jesus.
So there’s that.
Have you ever tried to play Monopoly without a
“Get Out Of Jail Free” Card???
It leads to excessive levels of emotional stress.
(I guess the same goes for playing End Times, without a
“Get Out Of The Rapture Free” Card.)
(maybe I am perverse, but I would be deeply ashamed to sit and contemplate
the Rapture, after so many millions have been persecuted and Martyred
for their beliefs.)
I used to ignore people’s background and focus on what they were saying. Then I finally accepted that people’s background, including race, almost always determines what they say. We project otherwise because we are White.
jews gonna jew
“and to help Jews …” I’m glad and wish him lots of success; but Sir, please don’t continue having the mentality of Jew “First and Foremost”. Jesus did that in Matt 15: 21-28 and embarrassed Himself and every follower since.
“The author is raised in a secular Jewish family in Paris. His future wife gave him a book on prophecy which led him to belief in Jesus as his Savior”
Sounds like a Neo Murano spreading more up to date heresies.
It would be hard to understand a more irrational behavior than to not be prepared.
Auto manufacturers put spare tires in new vehicles for a reason. Having adequate supplies of things you need in the event that our extremely fragile, post-modern, progressive, just in time delivery systems should ever fail seems like good judgement, not escapism.
Preparing for a flat tire is not escapism, of course. It’s common sense. But, the Rapture doctrine IS escapism by definition. What else can it be? The author writes ….
“We need to expect His return at any moment because it can happen at any moment, but we also need to wisely prepare as if He will not return ..”
What the …?? He wants it both ways, to have his cake and eat it, too.
He really truly does NOT believe Jesus can return “at any moment”. Nosiree! You know who did believe it really and truly? People like the Millerites who, back in 1844, quit their jobs and/or sold all their possessions and/or even left their families — all in anticipation of Jesus’ return. That’s commitment to your beliefs!
This author isn’t that fully committed to anything. He’s playing it safe … buttering his doctrinal bread on both sides. “Jesus can come back today, but I’m a gonna prep like hell just in case he doesn’t.” Ha! That’s wishy-washy weak sauce. .. Orwellian Doublespeak. Meaningless drivel. Pick just one and run with it!!
The doctrine that Jesus return could happen at any minute has always been pure b.s.
It can and will only happen at the precise predetermined but undisclosed day or hour time by God and not a second sooner.
No it couldn’t have occurred 5, 10 , 20 years ago because it wasn’t time.
It will occur somewhere at or just before the last 7 years of the 2000 year Jewish diaspora and Age of Grace or church age beginning approximately in 32 AD.
Only God knows the day or the hour for the Rapture……….be prepared if you are left behind for the 7 years of Tribulation on Planet Earth!
“Preppers also have a tendency to succumb to the latest conspiracy theory. On the mind of most preppers is the inevitable end of the world that must be avoided at all costs…prepping is over-reacting…I find the escapist approach to be selfish.”
I don’t think this guy has really thought any of this through. It sounds like something written on a deadline.
It’s important to recognize, HS, that he’s speaking to a Christian audience, not the public at large. The motivations are different and must, considering his target demographics, be scripturally accurate.
I see what he’s saying. As Christians we can’t be overly concerned with survival at all costs, or ignoring what is our primary goal as biblically stated.
It seems as if you’ve cherry-picked certain sentences and ignored the rest of the paragraphs that explain and clarify his observations and opinions. He is very clear that preparing is a good thing, just not scripturally the most important thing.
Nobody learned anything useful about Jews or scripture at the Moody Bible Institute. ((())) owned since the early PaleoSchofield era. The worlds finest rubber bands could not stand up to the contortions required to conjure up Dispensationalism and Pre-Trib Rapture Voodoo.
TS, are you practicing s— stirring in case Stucky get’s raptured and the USS S–t Stirrer is pilotless and about to run aground?
That’s a fact. Moody finally broke with the scoundrel Schofield but kept and perpetuated all his baggage and continues spreading gross heresies today.
I will never understand why people go to extremes to survive hell on earth. I have about 6 months of preps…and that was all gifted to me by my family. I get prepping supplies for Christmas and my birthday. My family are extreme preppers. They spent millions (together) on their preps. I’m not interested in sticking around watching people suffer and the world fall apart. I’d rather just move on to the next stage.
I’ll come with you Abigail 🙂
I’ve got a garden and most of what I grow if for seed- shelling beans and corn. There are three fallow field in walking distance to my house, just up from a river. I figure if it gets bad enough I’ll plant those fields and show a few younger people what they need to do. It may be the last act of my life but at least others will benefit from it.
It is awful how stupid young people are about growing their own food.
My bet is that backyard gardens will require guards at some point.
That’s the dog’s job. I’ll back them up if necessary.
That back up can reach out 800 yards…
During the last half of the tribulation the Bible says that it will take a mans day of wages to buy a loaf of bread.Take from the last book in the Bible.
My family talking about starving during ww2 made me decide to have a few extra cans of food. I believe in having a weapon to fend off modern Nazi/Government fuks. I’m sure God would be good with my decision.
I don’t personally believe there is a get out of jail free card for humanity. ‘Rapture’ is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. And your physical body would only be a hindrance on the other side.
Rapture is wishful thinking at it’s best.
Don’t be among those will will take the mark…666.
“And your physical body would only be a hindrance on the other side.”
You won’t have a physical body … or, at least nothing like you have today. You will have an “imperishable … immortal” body … which you get instantaneously at the moment of being caught up in the air, according to 1 Corinthians 15:51-53
“Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.”
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I’ve often wondered what kind of body I will get in terms of what I will LOOK like. Will I get my 20 year old looking body? 30 year old body? Will everyone get the same aged looking body? I mean, will heaven be populated by 20 -year old looking folks … or will some look like they are 20, some like 30, etc. Stepford Heaven.
What about children who died at, say, 5 years old? Do they get a 5 year old body? Or, will they be aged appropriately to what they WOULD have looked like at 20 years old? Won’t this confuse them? So many damned questions!
Most importantly, will I, STUCKY, still be taller than 95% of Heaven’s Hordes?? Yeah, that’s what I want … (Do I have a say?) … to be, or stay, taller than most of you Saints!! If G-d shrinks me down even an inch, I’m gonna be pissed!! And if, God forbid, I wind up with blond hair, instead of my natural brown hair … I will start a revolt in heaven!!!
The rapture idea was dreamed up by my distant cousin, Margaret McDonald of Scotland, in 1830 and started spreading about 1840.
The Rapture will happen. but, only for those who are saved.
The word “Rapture’ has been chosen by whomever to identify an event that is most definitely described in scripture. And nowhere in scripture specifically or by inference is there any sense of a ‘get out of jail free’ card.
So true……..but the event will surly happen……don’t be left behind to go through the 7 years of Tribulation’
So true, about the word Rapture……but, believers will not be on earth during the 7 yrs of Tribulation.
Well, Mr. Thistle, this is not the end of the world as I knew it I signed on for when I made all those trips to the Mormon Food Storage facility outside of Oklahoma City more than ten years ago, stocked up on a bit of seed and ammo and cornered the market on toilet paper long before a lot of people knew how quickly it would go in a panic.
Not THE END I signed on for at all.
I believe we are in it for the long haul. But, since we did “escape” into the boonies and landed amongst some really good people who know the score, we will “survive” just fine until the Good Lord comes to get us, Rapture or otherwise.
This is how a battle between Satan and God will go according to God:
Revelation 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
God wins in an instant without our help and in the blink of an eye judgement is rendered and evil is gone, period. Nothing else is germane. God says it and it happens and it is over. There is no epic fight when God decides it is time. Fairy tales spun by humans in the 19th century provide nothing to the narrative that is helpful.
You mean … like the one you just spun?
Only problem Harvey is that happened 2000 years ago in the first century.
Clueless
My God Harvey read the context you idiot.
The scripture you present is at the end of the 1000 year millennial reign which hasn’t even begun yet.
It has nothing to do with the present time or 7 year reign of the Antichrist.
666 is the mark of the Beast. do not take the chip or you will surly end up in hell.
Long before I found Nelson Walter’s vids after years of intense study I settled into the Pre-Wrath (at the begining of the 6th Seal) Rapture timing camp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr_dW42605w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYzETYS2j-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkC2FKvRyNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um2_3Emu-ms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBioFNB_vMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjIifbOqOw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkuSH6KIV_Y
Blind spots
Oh please eyes…you know you didn’t watch them.
I’m sorry but absolutely no point in watching them.
The 7 year 70th Week of Daniel has absolutely nothing to do with the church or bride of Christ. It will not be there.
It is ALL about Israel which is NOT the Church.
Please read the purpose of the 70 weeks and especially the 70th Week of Daniel.
Yes there will be many converted non jewish 7 year Tribulation period saints but they are not the church.
It’s all about Israel and all about context.
The believers of Jesus will be in Heaven During the 7 yr Tribulation .
Now there is a doom and gloom video session awaiting some soul.
Maggie,
Here is a book with many of the same points from a different angle.
mark –
you can always be counted on to produce some interesting stuff.
I don’t have the time (or to be honest the inclination 🙂 ) to watch many videos. I can read a 1 hr video’s transcript in just a couple of minutes so I tend to stick with that.
I’ve posted this before, but here’s a link that gives a pretty good explanation, scripturally, for a pre-Trib Rapture.
https://www.calvaryprophecy.com/pretrib.html
He opens the article with this –
“Over the years, I have discussed this issue with many friends and acquaintances from around the world. From this I have drawn this conclusion. Most are unmovable in their stand whether pre or post tribulation supporters. They both have their reasons and supporting scriptures no matter how bizarre or twisted it may sound. They both will argue on the subject until they’re blue in the face, and last but not least, neither will ever under any circumstance admit they are wrong.
Truthfully, I wouldn’t get hung up on when Jesus will come back. (My emphasis. Live for Christ every day, and the rest fades to a side-show.) Those who do are missing out on what the Christian life is all about–faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Faith is vital not only in death, but also in life. I strongly believe that God is in control of every believer’s life no matter what the circumstances dictate. Romans 8:28 declares, “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose”—even if that means going through the tribulation period! That is a fact you must agree with and is a big part of the faith walk here on this earth. I choose to have faith that God knows exactly what He is doing and that He is always looking out for my good. If I must go through the tribulation period (again, I don’t believe I will), according to the Word of God, it is for my good. Once you finally take hold of this promise, you will never waste another breath arguing about this subject. It is for this reason that the following has been written for informational as opposed to argumentative purposes.”
TS,
I was steeped in Pre-Trib and all the super popular ‘Left Behind’ fictionalized version of it for most of my 28 years as a ‘Road to Damascus’ supernaturally confronted ‘flipped lost sinner’ into a Born Again Christian overnight! (No one more surprised about my 180 than me).
Up until a certain point during my milk to meat first decade of discipleship in a wonderful Church Pre-Trib is what I was taught, believed, and assumed. That was it…other views were never, ever discussed.
Once I focused on the timing of the Rapture (long into my radical overnight conversion) I conducted a formal ‘investigation’ into the four major views:
1. Pre-Trib
2. Mid-Trib
3. Pre-Wrath
4. Post Trib
When I say ‘investigated’ I mean years of relentless deep dives.
I am a voracious reader…I have a small library of books on all the different views by the major voices.
I went on all the websites.
(I spent my entire adult career…1972 to 2015 as a business fraud investigator.)
I did not want or set out to put my belief in Pre-Wrath…I was hoping to confirm Pre-Trib.
Pre-Wrath is where the conclusion of my Biblical investigation led me.
I agree it doesn’t matter for me if Pre-Trib is correct – there will be no harm no foul…for me.
But, it will matter for millions (mostly in the spoiled West or places they have brought it to) because they will fall for the deception that is coming…and countless millions will fold like cardboard boxes in a rain storm when faced with the coming pressure, persecution, and vicious threats and attacks.
I’m steeled and prepped for them.
Over the years when I have talked to many other Christians about alternate views other than Pre-Trib all I get is a glazed look in their eyes…it’s not that they disagree…it’s that Pre-Trib is all they know, studied or ever been taught.
My last Pastor taught a class on Pre-Trib (and he will probably be my last Pastor – I am only doing Small Group Bible Study from here on in) from one of the big national Christian names…but when we were alone and I pressed him on Pre-Trib he told me he has serious doubts about it…he lowered his voice when he said it…and we were ALONE in his back yard!
The only thing I’m hung up on is the TRUTH…from the Book’s (God’s) lips to my ears and heart.
“I conducted a formal ‘investigation’ into the four major views:
1. Pre-Trib
2. Mid-Trib
3. Pre-Wrath
4. Post Trib”
Those are different flavors of the “futurist” method of interpreting Revelation.
Have you spent any time on the other three methods; preterist, historicist, or idealist (aka, spiritual/symbolic)?
If not, how would you know if any futurist flavor is correct?
I have…I didn’t buy in.
Spent some time on Preterist…through Gary DeMar, but there are way too many clear events that are predicted in the future that have just not happened in the past.
I know Historicism was popular with the Reformers and was a dominant perspective on eschatology through the 19th century. It seems to me no two historicists agree on what symbols go with what historical events, and the fact that John’s original readers could not have understood the book of Revelation in a historicist manner at all…I don’t buy into it at all.
Idealism (AKA the spiritual approach, the allegorical approach, the nonliteral approach, and many other names) involves an interpretation of the Book of Revelation that sees ‘all’ of the imagery of the book as symbolic…and I don’t see that at all.
I posted what I believe are the serious Rapture timing contenders…and it seems to me we are within 7 to 12 years of the Rapture and the Second Coming…max.
But hey, I’m just one man following what he believes to be true at this point in my constant ever learning study. I will follow the evidence as I see it…no wishful thinking from the 1830’s and dubious origins for me.
I completely believed in Pre-Trib until I did my own scripture study.
Pre-Wrath makes sense to me.
Pre
Tribulation Rapture rules 100%.
Good words were written here….come quickly Lord Jesus . for You are our Blessed Hope……the coming taking away the believing Church.
TS it’s just not that simple and harmless. The incalculable harm and divisions it has caused since 1890 when Samuel Untermyer brought it into every seminary and household will reverberate till the second coming. Are you aware he gave millions of copies to poor people (especially kids) and told them to sell door to door and they could keep all the money they got. Or how would a fake Missouri Pastor like Schofield afford a Manhattan flat and paid membership in a 5,000 a year blue blood social club.
Only those who are saved will go to Heaven.
Great post all good believers in Jesus.
You bet my brother…the first vid talks about the difference in the beliefs of the timing of the Rapture, and the contention it causes among Believers, who are generally broken into three camps on the timing… 1/3rd Pre-Trib, 1/3rd not, 1/3rd not sure. So 2/3rds of Believers are going to be surprised.
I could never do the job the vids do. It is a hard teaching, but I believe it is accurate.
One of my reasons in posting on this thread is if Pre-Trib is not true and Believers have to contend with parts or all of the Tribulation for them not to lose hope or be deceived…massive deception has already happened with this Covid hoax, millions of Christians are taking the jabs, big name preachers are supporting a Luciferian government and media, but it is nothing compared to what is coming,
Being deceived is a real possibility for many if they are Pre-Trib and it doesn’t happen, especially those who know no other possibility.
Another reason is I know many Pre-Trib Believers who are so sure they will be raptured before it gets really bad they are making no Preps…zero…nada…nothing or any plans at all to be able to resist the ‘government’…and if they are wrong they are going to be in a world of hurt. Some of them also have no idea of the arguments for Pre-Wrath I have put up here…and they are sound, scripturally supported arguments.
Actually if you use ‘scripture to interpret scripture’ I believe the Pre-Wrath Rapture timing is the soundest view of them all, and Nelson Walters is a master at that on all Biblical doctrines.
Look, I could get into the dubious background of the three major principles of Pre-Trib from the 1830s, and go down a list of points of why Pre-Wrath is most likely, but just posting the awareness of those vids works for me.
After years of study (I started out to prove Pre-Trib to myself) a Pre-Wrath Rapture (somewhere around the begining of the 6th Seal) it is what I have come to believe and prepare for.
Best wishes…and God Bless everyone who contributed to this robust discussion!
As far as the prepping angles of this article the author’s lecture on finding the perfect balance is assuming everyone else believes/feels exactly as he does, which obviously I don’t.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder…and so is prepping balance…and the timing of the Rapture.
Those who have done nothing to prepare will one day live at the whim and the will of the Luciferians and their ORCs and flying monkeys…they will reap what they have prepared for.
Those who have super prepped like me will be able to live independent…and no doubt will have to defend what they have built, but at least we will have independence and self-sufficiency to defend.
I behold a world run by Luciferians pulling off the greatest international crime/hoax in the history of the planet, and it appears they are just getting started on their 200 year long march to their utopia and our hell on earth.
I behold a world of dependent, propagandized, brainwashed, dumbed down sheeple people…being led to a jabbed slaughter house through a wide gate…and many of them are Christians…or supposed Christians.
I behold a world where I was told on e-mail not to come to my church unless I wore a face diaper, and now I have come to realize if I started re-attending (I have been recently invited back) I could be exposing myself to the potential shedding of the spike protein by many…and or as time goes on and more seals pop open (I believe at least the first seal has) I could find myself turned in for not taking the jab…and whatever other demands (that I will refuse to be part of) comes thundering down the road along with different colored horses.